=== zerwas_ is now known as zerwas === zerwas_ is now known as zerwas [03:12] heh [03:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash [03:29] heh [03:29] MadsRH's idea is by far the coolest [03:30] pwnguin, don't you think so too? [03:41] where what? I entered whatever conversation that was, way late. [03:44] i would love to make MadsRH idea real if i would know anything about the usplash things [03:46] looks like C knowledge is needed :( [04:02] can't say I know who MadRH is. [06:51] zerwas: i do know C ;) [06:52] pwnguin, do it, do it! :> [06:52] with 8.10 i will think of you *every* time i boot my ubuntu :-P [06:53] so which one was madRH? [06:53] oh, that'll be a bit tricky [06:55] afaik, there are some pretty brutal usplash limitations [06:58] Oh hey, if you want to see something random, try out any of the SuSE or OpenSUSE (even as far back as 9.3, I think) CDs... [06:58] boot it multiple times, and sometimes you'll get penguins. [06:58] And hit F8 and you'll get pixels marching around to make the chamelon. [07:12] so what's the feeling on usplash vs splashy? [07:31] mh, will splashy substitute usplash with Ubuntu 8.10? (hope so) [07:32] pwnguin, i would love to help you with this where i can (like, packaging ore something that does not require coding) [07:38] do you really package without coding? [07:40] tried a bit [07:40] ;) [07:43] heh, if you really wanna help, collect boot splash videos from various OS's [07:45] pwnguin, okay, i have XP, Mac OS X 10.4, OpenSUSE 11 for the beginning. how would that help? [07:46] Hmm, opensuse 11 sucks. [07:46] Look at earlier ones. [07:47] okay, just read that Splashy won't make it before Kernel 2.6.27 :-( [07:48] * DanaG wants fbsplash! [07:49] what? [07:49] i thought splashy was a userspace thing [07:49] google it -- it gives nifty console backgrounds. [07:49] i know about fbsplash [07:50] pwnguin, i thought so too, but on ubuntuforums.org they say: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426&page=24 [07:51] The countdown thingy on SuSE is nifty.... the circle in grub. [07:52] oh, well if ubuntuforums says its true, then it must be false [07:52] heh, penguins. [07:52] http://www.pro-linux.de/berichte/jpgs/suse10/suse10-boot.jpg [07:53] have to write exam now [07:53] oh [07:54] zerwas: its about mode switching [07:54] in kernel [07:54] pwnguin, huh? they are not talking about splashy? you are sure? [07:54] go one page backward [07:57] they're talking about seemless mode switching in fedora [07:57] redhat pays the most prolific kernel hacker to bring that kinda stuff into rawhide [07:57] Too bad I'll never be able to get native-res framebuffer on my current laptop. [07:57] you know how there's a black screen between switching modes? the idea is to eliminate that [07:58] and go straight from bootsplash to gdm [07:58] DanaG: never? [08:00] Well, as long as nvidiafb doesn't get along with nvidia binaries... [08:01] Well, once nouveau gets good, then maybe it'll be possible. [08:01] My VESA BIOS does not have even any right-aspect-ratio modes... except for 640x400 (which is widescreen). [08:06] http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_suse9_3/images/15.jpg [08:06] that has a nifty spinny thing. [08:07] ive used nouveau several times [08:07] works okay for both my cards [08:08] screenshots are worthless; we're after animations ;) [08:08] Anyway, the dots around the chameleon head change color, kinda' like the spinner in Firefox. [08:41] morning people. My blog post about how non-devs can contribute seems to of attracted an artist do I just need to point them here or are there some wiki pages or what? [08:46] no probs found the wiki section in the end and passed it on :) [12:37] oops: http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/images/hrf/home_brand2.gif [14:17] pst, im looking for ubuntu hardy covers for a dvd case, know of any in existence? :/ ive been looking for a while but i cant find any [21:47] pwnguin, did you have a look at the usplash theming thing? [21:51] i browsed the source a bit [21:51] its kinda wierd [21:52] probably because usplash runs at boot, where you might not have the full runtime libraries available [21:52] ye that's what i also thought [21:52] basically, there's a bunch of functions in the libusplash [21:52] do you think the idea we saw in the wiki is possible? [21:52] well, i think anything is possible [21:52] how much of usplash would be left I can't say [21:53] there's a bit of wierd OO there [21:53] hm [21:53] where if your theme object has functions, they override the defaults [21:54] but its all in C [21:55] * _MMA_ is going to look at using Splashy for Studio. Easier to theme. [21:55] you could probably write your own animation functions rather than use the built in bar render [21:55] i read splashy uses XML [21:55] so thats also kinda ~~ [21:55] <_MMA_> No worse that GDM. [21:56] if they havent thought of your idea, i imagine you're SoL [21:56] better than C :-P [21:56] gdm is bad [21:56] <_MMA_> It's all relative. [21:56] <_MMA_> Anything I can look at and read is fine for me. [21:57] but the layout is fairly restrictive, if i recall [21:57] But splashy is no alternative yet because it won't find it's way into intrepid as default [21:57] zerwas: why not? [21:57] <_MMA_> zerwas: I can do what I want with Studio. ;) [21:59] <_MMA_> Fedora is also looking at Splashy. [21:59] <_MMA_> Or writing something from scratch. [21:59] pwnguin, hm due to the fact that kernel 2.6.27 won't be in intrepid? [22:00] jesus [22:00] do we have to go through that again? [22:00] why does usplash depend on 2.6.27? [22:00] <_MMA_> ? [22:01] <_MMA_> s/usplash/splashy ? [22:01] yes [22:01] sorry [22:01] <_MMA_> Who says Splashy depends on any kernel? Link? [22:03] _MMA_: check the irclogs for this channel [22:03] from like yesterday [22:03] <_MMA_> You know the crackheads in here. [22:04] <_MMA_> Last mention of "splashy" I have in here is from April. [22:05] thats why we have irclogs.ubuntu.com ;) [22:05] <_MMA_> So... link? [22:05] i just read it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426&page=24 [22:06] <_MMA_> And it better be from someone with a shred of credibility. [22:06] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/25/%23ubuntu-artwork.html [22:06] sorry, i was busy making tea [22:09] <_MMA_> pwnguin: Ahh... Nice. New modsetting options. [22:09] <_MMA_> Cool. [22:10] eventually [22:10] i also asked about intrepid+splashy-by-default in #ubuntu+1 and got: "RAOF Does splashy now do the things that it didn't do when we first chose to write usplash? (Such as work on !IA32, not break resume-from-suspend, etc)" [22:10] heh [22:10] now those are valid reasons [22:11] and i kinda wish there was a good way to document these sorts of blockers [22:12] <_MMA_> Yep. All valid reasons. But you can bet if RH is paying someone to do it it gonna work out for everyone. [22:14] The question is if it will be finished til feature freeze for intrepid [22:15] _MMA_: packagekit is done by a redhat hire... [22:16] <_MMA_> zerwas: Who's that question for? If it's not, it's not. Simple. Usplash 'till Splashy is ready. Simple. [22:16] _MMA_: well, if you want to write a boot theme for intrepid it matters [22:17] if you want to write a boot theme for splashy, maybe not [22:18] <_MMA_> Ok. I just see it as an odd question. For the general public, sure. It's a bummer. For Ubuntu... oh well. :) [22:18] well, i think you have that backwards [22:18] the general public, who cares === zerwas_ is now known as zerwas [22:18] for the guy writing a theme he wants to see in ubuntu and get recognition for, its important [22:19] <_MMA_> Thats the general public. [22:19] <_MMA_> There's only 2 people "the guy". [22:19] <_MMA_> Mark and Ken. [22:19] what? [22:19] <_MMA_> *people who can be.. [22:20] maybe I misunderstood something fundamental to the artwork team [22:21] Mark and Ken are Ubuntu and the rest of us can deal? [22:22] <_MMA_> As far as the art goes, yes. To a degree. Since they are ultimately the ones who decide what's default. [22:22] cuz if that's how it is, i got other stuff I can do; patch up cellwriter or file some wacom bugs with upstream [22:23] sure, they're the vote on default, but they can't make splashy work by sheer force of will [22:24] anyways, this is coming down to silly semantics [22:24] <_MMA_> No. Im saying if its not ready for intrepid, they aren't sweating it. [22:24] <_MMA_> Whereas the "general public" will be pissed its not in Intrepid. [22:24] your false dictomy of "general public" versus "ubuntu" needs a third category [22:25] <_MMA_> For you it might. [22:26] <_MMA_> If something simply isnt ready, nobody who has power to put things in by default is losing sleep. [22:27] don't forget that mark just has said how really important the look of ubuntu is and the task is now to even beat apples art [22:27] <_MMA_> And whether Spashy is ready for default is the issue. If its not, it's unimportant to Mark and Ken. [22:28] I doubt that; if some genius decides to write an awesome splashy theme, having to veto it because awesome hardware support trumps awesome art will be a tough choice [22:28] <_MMA_> hahahaha Don't get me started on that. :P [22:28] * DanaG can't even get native-resolution framebuffer. [22:28] How do you tell usplash to use the fake-widescreen theme instead of the 4:3 theme? [22:29] <_MMA_> pwnguin: A genius themer can do all they want. If the underlying tech isnt ready, it matters not. [22:29] If my framebuffer is 1024x768 stretched to widescreen.... it makes circular things non-circular. [22:29] <_MMA_> DanaG: AFAIK it won't support anything but 4:3 atm. [22:29] granted, compiz was pressed into service a bit early [22:29] * _MMA_ agrees. [22:30] I know, but there are pre-squished fake-widescreen usplash themes... [22:30] but i thought we had safeguards in place to make sure compiz didn't break things that used to work? [22:30] and I just don't know how to force usplash to use them. [22:31] <_MMA_> DanaG: Lemmie see if I can find something for you. 1 sec. [22:31] <_MMA_> http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=usplash-switcher [22:31] I've currently set usplash.conf for 1024x853, which is 1024 * (4/3 ) / (16/10) [22:32] <_MMA_> It's on GetDeb but the original Usplash creator wrote that tool. [22:34] Well, the issue is, it's not a different .so file; it's a different resolution part in the same .so theme. [22:34] <_MMA_> DanaG: Searching the art list should also show you the manual commands that the app invokes. [22:35] <_MMA_> Well what is the resolution you're trying to use? [22:35] <_MMA_> Your FB also has to support it. [22:35] <_MMA_> Mine wont do over 1024x768 vga=792 [22:36] The point is this: native res is widescreen (1440x900), but the highest res VESA mode is 1024x768.... and I can't turn off stretching. [22:36] So, I need to force usplash to anti-stretch the thing, so it'll look correct when stretched. [22:37] <_MMA_> I dont think that's possible unless you edit the source theme and recompile. [22:37] The only true widescreen framebuffer mode I have.... is 640x400. [22:37] <_MMA_> There was talk of making usplash-theme-ubuntu-widescreen packages to get around all this crazyness. [22:38] <_MMA_> But even that would be a manual thing after install. [22:38] Same with my math hack. [22:38] Pre-stretch it vertically so it looks correct when stretched horizontally. [22:39] * DanaG hopes ATI 3-series cards will support native-res framebuffer... either through VBE modes, or through radeonfb. [22:45] <_MMA_> Later people. Time for the fam.