/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/25/#ubuntu-motu.txt

Jazzva	Awsoonn, no... you have to call it, no matter what patch system you use (I think it applies for every).	00:00
Awsoonn	how / when should it be called?	00:00
Jazzva	which patch system you use?	00:00
Awsoonn	I'm trying to make a change to apt	00:01
Awsoonn	so, I don't know	00:01
Jazzva	take a look at debian/rules. Do they include dpatch.make or quilt.make (I think that's the name of the file) at the beginning?	00:02
Jazzva	Awsoonn, ^	00:02
nhandler	There is also a 'what-patch' script that you can run to figure out the patch system that is being used	00:03
Jazzva	nhandler, that's useful :)	00:03
Awsoonn	greg sees neither	00:04
Awsoonn	grep**	00:04
Jazzva	Awsoonn, try with nhandler's advice...	00:04
Awsoonn	nhandler: what package is what-patch part of?	00:05
nhandler	Awsoonn: ubuntu-dev-tools	00:05
Awsoonn	$ what-patch rules	00:08
Awsoonn	unknown patch system	00:08
nhandler	Just type 'what-patch'	00:09
Awsoonn	I didi	00:09
Awsoonn	but it says "unknown patch system"	00:09
nhandler	That is strange.	00:10
Jazzva	Awsoonn, not sure about this... I noticed that it's maintained in bzr too. It might be that patches are applied directly to the source.	00:10
Awsoonn	I thought so at first too, but it kinda makes sence	00:10
Awsoonn	the patches dir is empty and it is at version ubuntu3	00:11
Jazzva	maybe you can check with mvo. Seems like he does a lot of maintenance in apt.	00:11
Jazzva	of cource, when he gets around...	00:11
Awsoonn	:)	00:12
crimsun_	keep in mind that because apt is a native source package, it wouldn't really make sense to have a patch system in place.	00:13
persia	slytherin: I think we don't want transition bugs anymore, but I don't think we have a good plan for an alternative yet.	00:13
persia	norsetto: the problem is not building nvidia-cg-toolkit, it's installing it :)	00:13
Awsoonn	jazzva: I will to then but now wy curiosity is showing... I know nothing abou bzr really, how does using bzr keep patchs away?	00:14
persia	smagoun: I don't sleep much, but you've caught me :) I presume you've already checked your shlibs and symbols files?	00:14
Jazzva	persia, I think norsetto left a while ago...	00:15
persia	Jazzva: quite possibly :)	00:16
Jazzva	Awsoonn, you keep at least two branches. One is with clean upstream source. The other branch is then created from that upstream, and changes are applied directly to it.	00:16
Jazzva	Then you publish a package from that other branch...	00:17
Jazzva	That would be basic way...	00:17
Jazzva	If there are other contributors to the package, they branch from that other branch with changes (which name usually ends in "ubuntu"), apply their changes, push it to their branch, and then ask for merge with ubuntu branch	00:18
Jazzva	I hope I wasn't too much confusing :)	00:19
Jazzva	Awsoonn, take a look at <https://code.edge.launchpad.net/app-install-data-ubuntu> for example. Imagine app-install-data-ubuntu is not a native package. If it wasn't, we would have "upstream" branch there too. Maintainer would apply needed changes to "ubuntu" branch. My contributions are in ubuntu.mozilla-extensions branch, which is branched from ubuntu, and then merged back to it... It's simple, actually :)	00:21
Awsoonn	I think I get in slow nod or at least I'm starting to :)	00:23
Jazzva	That's great :)	00:24
Jazzva	bzr is cool once you get used to it :)	00:24
Jazzva	anyway, I'm off now. Good luck with that patch :).	00:25
tacone	anyone knows which python package provides gksu module ?	00:29
bddebian	Heya gang	02:19
cody-somerville	Heya	02:29
bddebian	Hi cody-somerville	02:29
ScottK-laptop	Heya bddebian	02:29
bddebian	Hi ScottK-laptop	02:29
cody-somerville	wow	02:30
cody-somerville	Lots of polotiks today	02:31
bddebian	polotiks? Where?	02:31
LucidFox	NCommander> Congratulations on codeblocks's acceptance!	02:46
NCommander	Thank you :-)	02:47
NCommander	LucidFox, you made it possible ;-)	02:47
NCommander	It feels to finally get that into the archive	02:47
NCommander	(any reason you gave up trying to package it?)	02:47
cody-somerville	pfft.	02:48
NCommander	something wrong cody-somerville?	02:48
* cody-somerville clearly invested no time in helping get CodeBlocks into the archive :P		02:49
emgent	heya	02:49
persia	cody-somerville: Well, you didn't upload a candidate to REVU, did you?	02:49
LucidFox	NCommander> He has a point :)	02:49
* NCommander kisses cody's feet and worships him :-P		02:49
* cody-somerville struts.		02:50
cody-somerville	Thank you, thank you.	02:50
cody-somerville	NCommander, Good work :)	02:50
NCommander	Modest, aren't we :-P	02:50
NCommander	Thank you ;-)	02:50
NCommander	I also tackled a great evil	02:50
NCommander	CDBS multibuilds	02:50
NCommander	Ewwww	02:50
cody-somerville	Ewww	02:50
NCommander	And this one came with extra evil	02:50
cody-somerville	Ewwww	02:50
NCommander	Python modules built with configure scripts!	02:50
NCommander	I scared him off	02:51
=== Majost__ is now known as Majost
* NCommander laughs evilly		04:23
=== nhandler is now known as nhandler_AFK
Awsoonn	when pbuilder is done, where does the output go?	04:34
NCommander	Awsoonn, /var/cache/pbuilder/results	04:34
Hobbsee	where you've set it to go.	04:34
NCommander	Or something like that	04:34
Hobbsee	usually, ^	04:34
Hobbsee	-s	04:35
* NCommander hacks on REVU to remove the requirement of asking an admin to keysync		04:35
Awsoonn	:D thank	04:36
Awsoonn	s	04:36
emgent	emgent@amnistia:~$ sudo chroot /home/emgent/.chroots/intrepid/ /bin/bash	04:42
emgent	[sudo] password for emgent:	04:42
emgent	root@amnistia:/# apt-get	04:42
emgent	bash: apt-get: command not found	04:42
emgent	root@amnistia:/#	04:42
emgent	nice! :-)	04:42
StevenK	emgent: What about dpkg?	04:42
emgent	dpkg is in.	04:43
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emgent	StevenK: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30187/	04:44
Awsoonn	Bug #224460	05:03
ubottu	Launchpad bug 224460 in apt "apt-cache shows misleading dependency information" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224460	05:03
Awsoonn	should apt-cache show conflicts under dependantcies? or is this a new feature being requested?	05:04
jmarsden	Is there a "recommended" way to set things up so that when I do apt-get source I get sources from Intrepid, but when I apt-get install I get Hardy binary debs? Are there any dangers involved in doing this?	06:37
Flannel	jmarsden: only add intrepid deb-src	06:37
jmarsden	That's what I was thinking about... it's safe to do that? Cool :-)	06:38
Flannel	There aren't inherent dangers of adding the repos, but what you do with it	06:38
Flannel	jmarsden: If you're looking to backport stuff, see !prevu	06:38
jmarsden	No, I just tend to do apt-get source ready to do a bug fix, and end up creating a debdiff against an "old" source version!	06:41
snadge	i dont suppose anyone here happens to know how to get ubuntu to output to xen's graphics console when running as a domU?	07:01
white	kees: around? Did you get my mail?	07:09
StevenK	white: It's 11pm where kees is.	07:11
NCommander	hey StevenK	07:16
* StevenK waves		07:16
NCommander	StevenK, mind taking a look at a blueprint and weighing in on it?	07:16
StevenK	NCommander: Maybe later.	07:16
NCommander	StevenK, busy I take it?	07:17
StevenK	Distracted by $WORK and would rather not context switch	07:17
* RAOF likes the _distracted_ by work aspect.		07:18
NCommander	lol	07:20
NCommander	RAOF, how about you?	07:20
RAOF	I could be persuaded to stop hitting myself with autofoo and do something else.	07:21
* Hobbsee hits RAOF with a brick		07:21
NCommander	https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/revu/+spec/revu2 - my plans for the next revision of REVU ;-)	07:22
RAOF	Hobbsee: Thank you. Just what I was after :)	07:22
Hobbsee	hehe	07:22
* NCommander thanks Hobbsee		07:22
Hobbsee	you're welcome :)	07:22
* NCommander is working out how to determine which key generated a signature on an upload		07:23
NCommander	I have the GPG fingerprint, and I have the LP username for every fingerprint, I just need to figure out how to determine the former from the signatures	07:23
NCommander	(I also have the public keys)	07:24
Hobbsee	er, what?	07:24
NCommander	If I have a signed changes	07:24
NCommander	What's the easiest way to see what key, assuming I have the public key, signed the changes?	07:24
Hobbsee	so, you've got the gpg ID, and the LP username, yet you don't know how to get the ID of whoever signed the changes?	07:24
Hobbsee	gpg --verify <changes file>	07:24
NCommander	Hobbsee, yeah	07:24
NCommander	I just need to abuse that somehow to assiocate each upload with the LP login now	07:25
RAOF	NCommander: Looks like a substantial revu improvement. You probably want to add a "run lintian against built packages" thing there, too.	07:26
NCommander	RAOF, I was already going to do it	07:26
NCommander	Once I can work out how to abuse gpg --verify in the way Ineed it to, we're in business	07:26
snadge	is anyone in here knowledgeable about framebuffer issues?	07:28
NCommander	snadge, try ubuntu-devel	07:28
snadge	or specifically whether ubuntu's xen kernel.. is able to output to the frame buffer as well as the xen virtual console	07:29
* NCommander can't figure out how to get GPG to spit up the fingerprint of the key used to sign the signature		07:29
StevenK	steven@liquified:~/canonical/icedtea-gcjwebplugin% gpg --fingerprint $(gpg --verify icedtea-gcjwebplugin_1.0-1ubuntu2_source.changes 2>&1 \| head -n 1 \| cut -d\ -f14) 2>&1 \| grep Key	07:30
StevenK	Key fingerprint = DB10 7BC2 1687 426E 7AC8 BB23 09F0 7408 C87F FC2F	07:30
StevenK	NCommander: ^	07:31
NCommander	StevenK, you are in awesome in ways I can't describe :-)	07:31
StevenK	NCommander: I'd suggest you don't plug that directly into REVU, but parse out the data you need :-)	07:32
NCommander	StevenK, Well, yeah, I just need to get the individual fingerprints; the list of fingerprints can simply be generated into a static file everytime the keyrings are updated	07:33
NCommander	StevenK, doesn't appear to work for me, but you gave me an idea	07:35
StevenK	NCommander: How doesn't it work?	07:36
NCommander	mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/tmp$ gpg --fingerprint $(gpg --verify codeblocks_8.02-0ubuntu1_source.changes 2>&1 \| head -n 1 \| cut -d\ -f14) 2>&1 \| grep Key	07:36
NCommander	mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/tmp$	07:36
StevenK	NCommander: Run the bit in the $() first	07:36
StevenK	NCommander: It should print out the key id	07:36
NCommander	ID: Command not found	07:37
StevenK	What did you run that time? :-)	07:37
NCommander	Well, now I get this	07:38
NCommander	mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/tmp$ gpg --verify codeblocks_8.02-0ubuntu1_source.changes 2>&1 \| head -n 1 \| cut -d\ -f14	07:38
NCommander	ID	07:38
NCommander	mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/tmp$ gpg --verify codeblocks_8.02-0ubuntu1_source.changes	07:38
NCommander	gpg: Signature made Thu 24 Jul 2008 05:40:54 AM EDT using DSA key ID 9DA2DA9B	07:38
NCommander	So I know that is a valid signature	07:38
StevenK	Ah.	07:38
StevenK	Change that 14 to 15	07:38
StevenK	Your gpg --verify output is different to mine	07:38
NCommander	That did the trick	07:38
NCommander	Ew though	07:38
NCommander	Having that be variable going to make scripting it a PITA	07:39
StevenK	Actually, it doesn't.	07:39
NCommander	and I doubt I could regex it	07:39
StevenK	In Python, split it on whitespace and grab the last field	07:39
NCommander	and then run fingerprint	07:39
NCommander	BRILLIANT!	07:39
StevenK	Right	07:39
NCommander	You are awesome StevenK ;-)	07:39
* NCommander looks up how to use subprocess to get the stdio		07:41
StevenK	pipe = os.popen('%s 2>/dev/null' % command)	07:42
StevenK	output = pipe.read()	07:42
StevenK	exitstat = pipe.close()	07:42
StevenK	NCommander: ^	07:43
NCommander	I always used subprocess, but that works	07:44
soren	Or foo = subprocess.Popen(blahblah, stdin=subprocess.PIPE)	07:45
soren	input = foo.stdin.read()	07:45
soren	subprocess ftw!	07:45
NCommander	Don't I want stdout?	07:46
Awsoonn	what does -sa do wrt debuild -S -sa	07:46
\sh	moins	07:46
NCommander	Awsoonn, includes the original source ball under all conditions	07:46
Awsoonn	Thank you	07:47
soren	NCommander: Sorry, yes, of course.	07:48
NCommander	soren, obviously its not liking subprocess.PIPE	07:49
soren	NCommander: How is that obvious?	07:53
NCommander	soren, no, it didn't like it cause I did something stupid, but its still outputting on the console, and not in my pipe	07:55
NCommander	Unless ...	07:55
NCommander	Oh	07:55
NCommander	THat's lame	07:55
NCommander	GPG prints on stderr	07:55
soren	Right.	07:55
soren	It sends your data to stdout and "the other stuff" to stderr.	07:55
* NCommander rolls his eyes		07:55
soren	I didn't notice this was for gpg.	07:55
NCommander	Wish that was documented better	07:55
NCommander	yeah	07:56
NCommander	Well, now I got the output in a variable	07:56
NCommander	I just need an easy way to get the key ID	07:56
NCommander	soren, well, thats pretty :-P	08:00
NCommander	http://paste.ubuntu.com/30218/	08:00
\sh	argl..bug spam	08:01
NCommander	bug spam?	08:01
soren	NCommander: [line.split(' ')[-1] for line in input.split('\n') if 'using RSA key' in line][0]	08:02
\sh	many edgy tasks are set to won't fix and this generates a lot of mail at least in my inbox	08:02
NCommander	soren, I use DSA keys, so that isn't the best way to grab it	08:02
NCommander	(I get verified DSA key ID)	08:02
soren	NCommander: [line.split(' ')[-1] for line in input.split('\n') if 'gpg: Signature made' in line][0]	08:02
soren	Yup, that works too :)	08:03
* soren <3 python		08:03
NCommander	soren, I think my method is a little cleare	08:03
NCommander	*cleaner	08:03
NCommander	Its just a single split :-P	08:03
soren	Sure. It just only works if gpg keeps outputting the lines in that particular order and if it doesn't add extra words to the line :)	08:04
NCommander	:-P	08:05
NCommander	Ok, you win	08:05
* NCommander works out how to glue the fingerprint back together		08:09
NCommander	I have it in two variables like this	08:09
NCommander	mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/tmp$ ./test.py	08:09
NCommander	869F DEB4 91C4 5F60 C767	08:09
NCommander	E62E A5B9 5304 9DA2 DA9B	08:09
soren	''.join(vara.split(' ') + varb.split(' '))	08:11
NCommander	Those aren't lists, those are actual strings	08:11
soren	Er... Yes.	08:12
soren	That's why I split them.	08:12
NCommander	ok, just making sure ;-)	08:13
soren	>>> a = '869F DEB4 91C4 5F60 C767'	08:13
soren	>>> b = 'E62E A5B9 5304 9DA2 DA9B'	08:13
soren	>>> ''.join(a.split(' ') + b.split(' '))	08:13
soren	'869FDEB491C45F60C767E62EA5B953049DA2DA9B'	08:13
NCommander	Nice :-)	08:15
* NCommander is still somewhat of a python newbie		08:15
NCommander	How do I get the total number of elements in a list, its not ntuples(), which I use for DB queries	08:16
jmarsden	See http://docs.python.org/tut/node5.html#SECTION005140000000000000000 (use the len function)	08:17
geser	NCommander: why don't you use gpg --with-fingerprint --verify and grabs the "Primary key fingerprint" from the output?	08:17
NCommander	geser, cause I didn't know that existed ;-)	08:17
jmarsden	NCommander: Did you look at http://py-gnupg.sourceforge.net/ -- might be overkill, might help... a GPG interface module...	08:21
NCommander	http://paste.ubuntu.com/30221/ - can someone figure out what I'm doing wrong?	08:23
NCommander	(its likely something very stupid)	08:23
soren	NCommander: Heh :)	08:27
soren	Last line:	08:27
* NCommander is stumped on the join		08:27
NCommander	I keep get method not found	08:27
NCommander	soren, http://paste.ubuntu.com/30224/ - here's the low fat version	08:28
soren	-fingerprint.join(fingerprint_part1.split(" ") + fingerprint_part2.split(" "))	08:28
soren	+fingerprint = fingerprint.join(fingerprint_part1.split(" ") + fingerprint_part2.split(" "))	08:28
NCommander	wooohoo	08:29
NCommander	It works	08:29
NCommander	Expect I got a newline at the end	08:29
soren	Right.	08:29
NCommander	There	08:30
NCommander	Now I got it working	08:30
soren	You split on "Key fingerprint", so each of the parts might contain a linefeed. Linefeeds are not special in that context.	08:30
NCommander	http://paste.ubuntu.com/30225/ - ;-)	08:30
NCommander	I got it	08:30
NCommander	Thank you soren	08:30
soren	np :)	08:30
NCommander	I'm amazed at how awesome python is	08:31
geser	NCommander: a little bit shorter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30226/	08:38
NCommander	geser, awesome	08:39
Iulian	Good morning.	08:55
incorrect	hello, I am looking to do a few backports for hardy, i've already backported subversion 1.5	09:21
incorrect	would it be worth contributing back the builds?	09:22
huats	morning everyone	09:24
geser	Hi huats	09:24
huats	morning geser	09:26
slytherin	incorrect: File a bug, describe the changes you did, probably add a debdiff.	09:28
huats	hey murrayc_	09:49
huats	sorry to bother	09:49
slytherin	hi geser	09:49
huats	I send you an email to have your opinion on the gnome-lirc-properties update :)	09:50
huats	can we talk about that a bit ?	09:50
geser	Hi slytherin	09:55
slytherin	geser: are you free? need sponsorship for two packages. One is fix for FTBFS and other is upstream version update.	09:56
geser	slytherin: not really, are both in the u-u-s queue? I'll try to look at the queue later today	10:02
slytherin	geser: yes both of them are	10:03
murrayc_	huats: I was investigating. I will reply now.	10:18
huats	murrayc_: oh ok :)	10:18
huats	murrayc_: thanks :)	10:18
huats	murrayc_: take your time ... there is no rush...	10:19
huats	but it is true that your feedback will be much appreciated	10:19
Sikon	slytherin> fop has hit the archive!	10:22
Sikon	Thanks for your help in making this possible, I've credited you in my post that should soon appear on planet.ubuntu.com	10:22
Sikon	(that is, slytherin for fop)	10:23
\sh	emgent: just backported moin 1.7 to hardy...and installed it...following the migration plan it's quite easy to upgrade	10:37
directhex	is it being planned for official hardy-backports, or are you juest testing?	10:46
slytherin	Sikon: :-D	10:50
\sh	directhex: just testing	10:50
\sh	directhex: I'll upload to my ppa and then others can test too :)	10:50
slytherin	Sikon: Of course the fix was ridiculously simple. We were just looking at wrong places.	10:51
directhex	\sh, if it requires manual intervention, IMHO it should not get into hardy-backports. a stable dist shouldn't get sudden breakage from running an update	10:52
\sh	directhex: that's what I'm thinking....the upgrade path breaks totally...	10:52
\sh	directhex: but for people who like to have 1.7 instead of old school 1.5 I think we should make it available through a ppa	10:53
directhex	\sh, i agree fully, which is why i run my ppa for mono packages ;)	10:53
directhex	\sh, not that my packages every fail to be great & justwork, of course...	10:53
slytherin	nhandler_AFK: ping	11:09
slytherin	Can anyone comment on bug 223466. I guess archive admin need to be subscribed instead of u-u-s.	11:13
ubottu	Launchpad bug 223466 in xmms-openspc "Remove xmms-openspc from repository" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223466	11:13
=== nhandler_AFK is now known as nhandler
nhandler	Hi slytherin	12:03
slytherin	nhandler: added a comment on groovy bug you filed. Let me know if you have any comments/suggestions.	12:07
* slytherin will be back		12:09
nhandler	slytherin: I understand what you are suggesting, but that would involve significant changes to the source code. I don't think those changes should be made in Ubuntu. Instead, they should probably be made upstream.	12:10
huats	murrayc_: I just look at your bug	12:15
huats	(I mean at your answer)	12:15
huats	would you agree if I update the package to the 0.27 release	12:16
huats	waiting the lirc update ?	12:16
huats	because it might gives a chance to get the 0.27 in hardy... while I am not confident to get the 0.84 lirc in hardy for some time...	12:17
murrayc_	huats: Sounds good. Thanks.	12:35
huats	murrayc_: ok	12:44
huats	I'll do that	12:45
huats	thanks for requesting the 0.84 btw	12:45
=== nhandler is now known as nhandler_AFK
k0p	hi all	13:05
k0p	someone can review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=umit	13:05
=== RainCT_ is now known as RainCT
DRebellion	Hey guys, could someone review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor	13:22
DRebellion	It's built in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~drebellion/+archive	13:23
tbutter	does the revu mailinglist work?	13:25
NCommander	tbutter, which mailing list?	13:28
tbutter	NCommander: http://lists.ubuntuwire.com/listinfo/motu-reviewers	13:28
tbutter	it has no new messages since 12.7., but it seems there are new comments and uploads on revu	13:29
NCommander	it appears to work just fine	13:29
NCommander	(and in my local REVU installation, sending email works)	13:29
tbutter	this seems to be the latest post in the archive: http://lists.ubuntuwire.com/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2008-July/000979.html	13:30
tbutter	http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=origami <- that package has comments from today and an upload yesterday	13:31
=== ember_ is now known as ember
tbutter	i did not receive any mail since 12.7. either	13:31
NCommander	tbutter, strange, I'll kick to admins to look into it	13:32
NCommander	tbutter, if you could, please file a bug on LP	13:32
NCommander	yet	13:32
* NCommander hacks away on REVU		13:33
* ScottK seriously considers stopping work on Ubuntu development for a month and devoting the time to reporting Launchpad bugs.		13:33
* NCommander would use that month to create a free LP		13:33
NCommander	StevenK, what bugs to you encounter? LP is still loads better then SourceFrak	13:34
NCommander	tbutter, care to look at this spec https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/revu/+spec/revu2 and make suggestions?	13:34
ScottK	NCommander: Check your tab completion.	13:35
NCommander	what tab completion?	13:35
ScottK	NCommander: The problem is its getting worse, not better.	13:35
ScottK	ScottK/StevenK	13:35
NCommander	Oh, whoops >.<;	13:35
* NCommander drinks caffiene		13:35
NCommander	Sorry, I've been dealing with openid braindeadness	13:35
NCommander	And parsing RDF documents	13:35
NCommander	My mind is more fried then usual	13:36
tbutter	NCommander: https://bugs.launchpad.net/revu/+bug/251816	13:36
ubottu	Launchpad bug 251816 in revu "no mails to motu-reviewers" [Undecided,New]	13:36
NCommander	ScottK, you work for canonical, you can steal their red stapler and hold it hostage until they fix LP :-P	13:37
ScottK	NCommander: No, I'm not a Canonical employee.	13:37
NCommander	wow	13:37
NCommander	I'm more gone then I realized	13:37
NCommander	brb, super-sized caffiene	13:38
ScottK	NCommander: My fix would be revert to the U/I they had a year and a half ago.	13:38
NCommander	ScottK, you mean before the green one?	13:38
ScottK	Needless to say, the developers of the current U/I aren't real excited about that kind of feedback.	13:38
NCommander	I"m reminded the first time sourceforge changed its scheme	13:39
ScottK	However, when I point out specific aspects of the way the curren U/I sucks, they accept that.	13:39
ScottK	I keep getting told I'll get used to it and it keeps not happening.	13:39
NCommander	Great	13:39
NCommander	firefox committed suidice	13:39
ScottK	So I'm thinking if I dedicate a month or two to nothing but pointing out specific crappage, it might get somewhere.	13:40
NCommander	The last stable update seems to have broken it	13:40
NCommander	Yup, firefox is broken	13:40
NCommander	ScottK, I think I like the current UI over the green one	13:41
DRebellion	NCommander, firefox isn't broken -.-	13:42
NCommander	DRebellion, its working now, but I had to restart X on the other machine before it started working	13:43
NCommander	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 - that's not good	13:44
DRebellion	It's actually ubuntuforums.org/* that is b0rken	13:45
DRebellion	maybe not	13:45
NCommander	I think they are on the recieving end of a slashdotting	13:46
DRebellion	firefox is screwing me around, maybe it is broken	13:46
laga	no, i get a database error on the mythbuntu sub forum..	13:46
broonie	NCommander: the whole thing with borked Linux info is pretty standard for BIOSs.	13:46
* ScottK is kidding.		13:46
broonie	NCommander: The kernel doesn't actually pay a blind bit of notice to it.	13:46
DRebellion	http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/07/25/1150218.shtml	13:47
* ScottK just quit motu-sru because the job is to hard with Launchpad.		13:47
Hobbsee	ScottK: oh, strike!	13:47
Hobbsee	ScottK: and where's your resignation mail?	13:47
ScottK	Sent it to the ML.	13:48
NCommander	ScottK, O_o; how is it fighting you in this respect outside of the bug tracker which doesn't seem to have changed much between releases	13:48
Hobbsee	ah yes, here it is.	13:48
* Hobbsee actually quits said team.		13:48
ScottK	NCommander: I find it really confusing to manage stuff and I really can't deal with it.	13:49
NCommander	ScottK, which list did it go to?	13:49
ScottK	MOTU ML.	13:49
ScottK	Gotta run.	13:49
Laney	Isn't there a MOTU-LP liaison to represent the MOTU voice?	13:49
NCommander	I don't think I'm subscribed to that one >.<;	13:50
Hobbsee	and i think you wnated "I give in"	13:50
Hobbsee	Laney: yeah, but it hasn't been overly successful to date.	13:50
NCommander	Hobbsee, can you CC that message to sonicmctails@gmail.com? (its not in the archives yet AFAIK)	13:50
laga	it is	13:50
laga	https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004273.html	13:50
NCommander	Weird, it didn't pop up for me	13:50
* laga finds mailman archives unusable		13:50
laga	NCommander: you probably needed to scroll down.	13:51
* NCommander shrugs		13:51
NCommander	I just use google with mailman most of the time	13:51
* NCommander is currently working out a UI update for REVU		13:51
Laney	Hobbsee: Oh, perhaps the position needs to be given some structure then	13:51
Laney	Anyway, must dash	13:51
NCommander	cya Laney	13:52
* Laney waves		13:52
Hobbsee	Laney: i'm not sure that was the problem	13:52
* NCommander personally won't care if they changed the skin weekly if they gave you an option to set a skin and stay with it		13:53
Hobbsee	NCommander: it's not so much the skin - that could be ignored. it's that the menu options keep moving around, and information gets obscured or removed, for the good of projects, but with no care about distributions.	13:54
NCommander	Hobbsee, that's more what I meant	13:54
NCommander	I used LP for my personal projects so I'm not badly effected, but I just found out you can change your nickname cause it was hidden, even though I had an LP account for over a year	13:55
Hobbsee	you can?	13:55
NCommander	Hobbsee, Yeah, actually found out about it coding OpenID	13:55
NCommander	It was referenced in a bug reort	13:55
NCommander	*report	13:55
Hobbsee	heh	13:55
NCommander	Go to your home page, then Edit Details	13:56
NCommander	Second entry	13:56
broonie	It took me donkeys years to discover that I'd had an autogenerated account created which was why I couldn't nab broonie :(	13:56
* NCommander also just found out that Hobbsee is a women		13:56
Hobbsee	heh	13:57
NCommander	I find LP works great for some things	13:57
NCommander	LIke merging, and blueprints work great	13:57
laga	i find blueprints horrible	13:57
NCommander	And the bug tracker wreaks something fierce	13:57
laga	mostly it looks like it's fire and forget. stuff is then written out in the wiki	13:58
NCommander	laga, I don't bother with specifications, I just abuse the whiteboard	13:58
NCommander	https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/revu/+spec/revu2 - having a nice dependency tree with branch assiocations just does it for me :-)	13:58
laga	okay, that does look nice :)	13:59
NCommander	laga, yeah	13:59
NCommander	I've never saw a good planning tool that could do it beside Bugzilla, and Bugzilla's UI wants me to burn my eyes out	13:59
Hobbsee	NCommander: indeed, it's certainly got some nice stuff.	14:00
NCommander	Bugzilla great for developers, but sucks for average users	14:00
NCommander	Hobbsee, maybe you can enlighten me, I thought doing an SRU was a bug report, a wiki page, and a lot of talking on the lists; I don't get how Launchpad slowing this down	14:01
NCommander	Unless Soyuez is controlled via LP	14:01
Hobbsee	NCommander: subscribing multiple people, waiting for pages to load.	14:01
Hobbsee	soyuz is controlled via LP, but doesn't usually break	14:01
Hobbsee	well, not in that area, anyway	14:01
NCommander	Hobbsee, strange, I find the wiki usually very slow, but LP to zip along in comparsion	14:01
Hobbsee	lucky you :)	14:02
NCommander	I do use edge.launchpad.net though	14:02
Hobbsee	both are pretty slow here, but launchpad is the slowest website that i ever load here	14:02
NCommander	Not the regular LP	14:02
NCommander	There are times when edge crawls, and I have to kick it down to normal LP though	14:02
Hobbsee	i don't see much difference	14:02
NCommander	Who knows	14:03
* DktrKranz looks at http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/lib3ds-dev/filelist, is it legal?		14:03
NCommander	Hobbsee, still, you deal with LP a lot more then most people. Your a buildd and archive admin	14:03
DktrKranz	shared library provided in -dev packages, weird...	14:03
NCommander	Hobbsee, although I'm told dak, despite naming commands after its authors ex-girlfriends, might still be worse then Souyz	14:04
Hobbsee	NCommander: this is true. the queues are often very slow, as very few people actually use them, so no one's really optimised them much	14:04
Hobbsee	NCommander: i've not looked into dak much	14:04
NCommander	DktrKranz, if you want to see a magicial packaging, go look at dak	14:04
Hobbsee	and re buildd admin, buildd.py is very useful.	14:04
NCommander	Hobbsee, heh. I run five buildds for Debian	14:04
NCommander	I know the "fun" they can be	14:04
NCommander	Especially when all five chroots decided to die at once >.<;	14:04
broonie	NCommander: The dak names are just famous people, not exes (and they died a few years ago anyway).	14:05
NCommander	Oh, well	14:05
NCommander	I removed from my brain most of the braindamage that was caused by dak	14:05
* NCommander still has "found" memories of getting Britney just to do something beside segfaulting		14:05
NCommander	*fond	14:05
DktrKranz	NCommander: dak is somehow special ;)	14:06
NCommander	dak is somehow painful	14:06
NCommander	I told one of the archive admins that Debian is powered by tooth picks, duct tape, and a hell of a lot of luck	14:06
NCommander	I was told that was understating it ._.;	14:06
broonie	britney is something else, it's not part of dak at all.	14:06
NCommander	broonie, I consider it part of dak just because they go hand in hand if you want to run your own Debian	14:07
Hobbsee	NCommander: i don't have chroot access - i don't work for canonical.	14:07
* NCommander looks at his dak folder		14:07
broonie	Well, only if you want the automated testing propagation stuff (and then it's got hooks into the BTS too).	14:07
NCommander	Hobbsee, consider yourself fortunate :-)	14:07
Hobbsee	so i don't get quite that much fun	14:07
NCommander	Hobbsee, then again, I'm building an autobuilder network for REVU	14:07
NCommander	That's just asking for pain	14:07
Hobbsee	indeed.	14:08
NCommander	Once you have an apt-get source archive, you really just need wanna-build and quinn-diff	14:08
DktrKranz	NCommander: autobuilder network using dak? isn't it too much complex for such a task?	14:08
NCommander	DktrKranz, no, I'm not going to use dak for REVU :-P	14:08
NCommander	DktrKranz, we needed a testing archive for m68k	14:08
DktrKranz	aaaah ;)	14:08
NCommander	So I meddled with britney, and somehow ended up running dak to generate some of the data files	14:09
DktrKranz	NCommander: please, please, don't use wanna-build :)	14:09
NCommander	I just want to kill sbuild	14:09
NCommander	That program is the vein of my existance	14:09
NCommander	If I could get buildd to use pbuilder, life would be MUCH nicer	14:09
NCommander	and I don't need to worry about chroots getting managed so easily	14:10
NCommander	DktrKranz, I take it you have experience with the Debian autobuilder network?	14:10
DktrKranz	NCommander: well... if you need a simple automated build server, you can try debomatic (/me mode reclame on)	14:10
NCommander	DktrKranz, we need multiarch support. At least amd64/i386/lpia, and a way to signal to autobuilders to abort a build in progress	14:11
DktrKranz	multiarch == crossbuild (or similar) ?	14:11
NCommander	multiple architectures	14:11
NCommander	I'd like an autobuilder for each Ubuntu arch	14:11
DktrKranz	so, one builder per arch	14:11
NCommander	I got spare hardware for i386, powerpc, and lpia	14:11
NCommander	DktrKranz, yeah	14:12
NCommander	I might be able to get an AMD64 box beside my laptop, which means I just need some poor sap, er, some brave user to run sparc and hppa	14:12
DktrKranz	good luck!	14:12
NCommander	Well, once we have apt-get source archives	14:13
NCommander	THe rest is extremely straightforward	14:13
* NCommander has done it all for m68k; and even built the entire etch distro on an autobuilder		14:13
NCommander	I would just like a good way to make buildd use pbuilder vs. sbuild	14:13
DktrKranz	NCommander: it's you who manage m68k on Debian?	14:13
NCommander	One of those guys	14:13
NCommander	I'm the one that got GCC 4.3 to stop freaking out on gnu99 packages	14:14
NCommander	(it was an ugly hack which I am NOT proud of, but it does work)	14:14
DktrKranz	will it get official for lenny?	14:14
NCommander	DktrKranz, doubt it	14:14
NCommander	We're vetoed as a release arch without a more modern glibc	14:14
DktrKranz	ah...	14:15
NCommander	Freescale is working to port the necessary kernel and compiler support we need (we need NPTL support)	14:15
NCommander	We're looking at lenny+1	14:15
directhex	isn't a modern libc a reasonable request?	14:15
NCommander	We have 22 autobuilders which is enough to allow us to build sid :-)	14:15
DktrKranz	22? for m68k? whoa!	14:16
broonie	NCommander: IIRC there's also pushback on the number of autobuilders...	14:16
soren	That allows you to keep up?	14:16
NCommander	Brings new meaning to the words cluster computing	14:16
NCommander	broonie, we have an exception to that	14:16
directhex	NCommander, it does?	14:16
NCommander	directhex, we're still sligtly below 90%, but we're keeping up	14:16
NCommander	eight autobuilders are out at the moment	14:16
NCommander	My four, and Michael's four	14:16
directhex	NCommander, add a high performance interconnect and we'll talk about clustering >8\/	14:17
NCommander	I'm advocate for Ubuntu m68k	14:17
NCommander	^_^	14:18
directhex	i'm peeved about ubuntu ps3	14:18
NCommander	directhex, ?	14:18
directhex	NCommander, no hardy.	14:18
NCommander	directhex, if you want Ubuntu PS3 Hardy, we can compile it; we have the techology	14:18
directhex	NCommander, won't run though	14:19
NCommander	(I'm quite serious, I have the spare PPC hardware to rebuild the archive in three weeks)	14:19
directhex	lots of critical issues. mostly kernel related	14:19
NCommander	directhex, backport the kernel, and make an unoffical release; Ubuntu PPC isn't an offical arch anyway	14:19
NCommander	;-)	14:19
NCommander	directhex, if your seriously interested in creating a Hardy/Intrepid Ubuntu PS3 release, I'll help	14:20
NCommander	(I don't have a PS3, but I can be talked into buying)	14:20
directhex	NCommander, i'm... confused by the general state of ps3 linux. it's a big opening for a first-class distro - and the unified hardware testing somewhat easier than it could be	14:20
NCommander	directhex, are you a PS3 Ubuntu developer?	14:20
bddebian	Heya gang	14:21
NCommander	directhex, or know people who ar?	14:21
NCommander	morning bddebian	14:21
bddebian	Hello NCommander	14:21
NCommander	bddebian, you just missed the m68k autobuilder network ;-)	14:22
NCommander	directhex, you have a PS3 I take it?	14:22
directhex	NCommander, no, i'm a highly critical tech reporter	14:22
bddebian	NCommander: Aw, shucks :)	14:22
NCommander	directhex, sorry, I meant worked on PS3 dev	14:24
* NCommander is running slow this morning		14:24
NCommander	directhex, yeah, thats a nasty set of bugs	14:26
directhex	NCommander, i have professional curiosity around the cell as an arch (and ps3 as a cheap entry point to it), and a linux fanboy interest in seeing the ps3 turned into a first-class personal computer through the power of a decent distro (with the usual 'no games on linux' argument killed by the fact that, well, it's a ps3)	14:27
NCommander	directhex, nice ;-)	14:27
* nxvl is starting to think that NCommander is an AI bot		14:27
nxvl	NCommander: did you sleep sometime?	14:28
directhex	NCommander, i have no great interest in working on ps3 ubuntu as a project, due to lack of time	14:28
NCommander	nxvl, what's sleep()?	14:28
* NCommander reinflates the air matress		14:28
nxvl	ok confirmed	14:28
nxvl	he's a bot	14:28
* NCommander slaps nxvl		14:28
norsetto	nxvl: neah, crack is just cheap in NY	14:28
nxvl	norsetto: you don't want to ask how cheap is here	14:29
norsetto	lol	14:29
NCommander	norsetto, I live in Rocheser, not NYC	14:29
norsetto	nxvl: I guess you don't beat Colombia though	14:29
* NCommander needs some breakfast		14:29
NCommander	Hobbsee, out of curosity, what it buildd.py?	14:30
jpds	NCommander: people.ubuntu.com/~pitt/scripts/buildd.py	14:30
jpds	pitti*	14:30
broonie	directhex: PS3 Linux doesn't get access to the nice gaming bits.	14:31
NCommander	I think this is one of the few times Debian wins	14:31
NCommander	Buildds are managed by email	14:31
directhex	broonie, so reboot it, and TADA!	14:31
NCommander	broonie, high definition nethack FTW	14:31
broonie	NCommander: It's what I feel it's always been missind.	14:32
broonie	NCommander: Someone did actually do an OpenGL nethack.	14:32
directhex	broonie, reboot to "gameos" for games, run linux otherwise. a hell of a lot more pretty for £300 than you'd get with a windows intel machine	14:32
* NCommander still hasn't ascended ;.;		14:32
NCommander	directhex, er, its a PS3, what good games are there?	14:33
directhex	or as a mythfrontend?	14:33
* NCommander dives for cover		14:33
directhex	NCommander, bah, stop pointing out the flaw in the plan :'(	14:33
bddebian	There are about 5,000 variations of nethack aren't there?	14:33
* broonie has been considering the Myth front end but the PS3 is really noisy.		14:33
directhex	broonie, not compared to the xbox it isn't	14:33
directhex	tends to get noisy under load though, that much is true. currently i think the mac mini is the ultimate mythfrontend	14:34
broonie	directhex: "Better than living next to a runway!"	14:34
nxvl	norsetto: i won't bet	14:34
directhex	broonie, i live close to a train line, and there's major building work going on in my estate ;)	14:34
nxvl	norsetto: same jungle, almost same narcos	14:34
nxvl	gone to work	14:36
huats	norsetto hey	14:39
huats	how are you ?	14:39
huats	norsetto !!!	14:39
huats	:)	14:39
* NCommander wishs though he was an LP buildd admin :-P		14:39
norsetto	hi huats	14:39
Hobbsee	NCommander: good luck...	14:40
Hobbsee	NCommander: try getting a job at canonical.	14:40
NCommander	Hobbsee, how'd you get the job?	14:40
Hobbsee	mmm....lots of fighting and prodding and poking	14:40
NCommander	Hobbsee, well, I just like pain, that's how I got roped into running buildds	14:40
NCommander	Hobbsee, Who'd you torture into submission?	14:40
* Hobbsee tries to remember		14:41
Hobbsee	tollef, mark, colin, and a few other people, iirc.	14:41
Hobbsee	mark was the main one	14:41
NCommander	why'd you want the job?	14:41
Hobbsee	it was interesting?	14:41
NCommander	Hobbsee, good reason ;-)	14:41
Hobbsee	and i was doing various RM stuff at the time anyway	14:41
NCommander	Same reason I fixed GCC 4.3 for m68k	14:41
NCommander	RM?	14:41
NCommander	Release Management?	14:41
Hobbsee	so it made sense to have multiple positions of power	14:42
=== norsetto is now known as norsetto_limbo
Hobbsee	yes	14:42
NCommander	Hobbsee, ah, more fun. I dunno how Souyz is, but working with dak tells me that job is a pain	14:42
Hobbsee	heh, yes	14:43
NCommander	Hobbsee, if there is ever an opening, and if I ever become a core dev, tell me :-P	14:43
* NCommander is smacked around		14:43
NCommander	Hobbsee, Launchpad fascinates me, just because it seems to do things better then the original tools, but then I hear from you that it isn't the case	14:45
Hobbsee	NCommander: i don't see the internals of the code. i'm just at it's mercy, more or less.	14:46
Hobbsee	i've not really used the original tools, so can't compare.	14:46
NCommander	Hobbsee, no, I know that, but still, being able to do so much is awesome	14:46
Hobbsee	i can really only compare the way it does work, to the way i wish it worked.	14:46
broonie	Half the aggro with LP seems to be moving target thing.	14:47
NCommander	Hobbsee, well, to put it in perspective. buildds are controlled via email. dak just uses a weird command syntax	14:47
NCommander	But its constant	14:47
NCommander	(maybe in daks case TOO constant)	14:47
broonie	And very few people ever actually interact with dak directly.	14:47
sistpoty\|work	hi folks	14:48
=== sistpoty\|work changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU \| Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing \| Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html \| QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com \| TODAY - Another day!! Keep working. \| MOTU Meeting at 20.00 UTC
bddebian	Heya sistpoty\|work	14:50
=== sistpoty\|work changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU \| Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing \| Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html \| QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com \| TODAY - Another day!! Keep working. \| MOTU Meeting today at 20.00 UTC
sistpoty\|work	hi bddebian	14:50
NCommander	hey sistpoty\|work	14:50
sistpoty\|work	hi NCommander	14:50
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, when you get a moment, my openid changes are looking for merging :-P (I linked uploads to GPG keys vs email, and write the account merger)	14:50
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, and got rid of the need for revu-uploaders and key syncing	14:50
sistpoty\|work	NCommander: how did you get rid of revu-uploaders? (as in, do we have the possibilty then to blacklist s.o.?)	14:51
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, keys are imported on the fly on login	14:52
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, and they're only imported if new keys are needed for importation	14:52
* NCommander had a little too much fun with rdflib last night		14:52
sistpoty\|work	NCommander: so you check with revu-uploaders on the fly?	14:52
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, no, it queries the individual account	14:53
NCommander	SO its extremely fast, even if its importing keys	14:53
sistpoty\|work	NCommander: does it then check if the account is in revu-uploaders?	14:53
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, no, but it won't be hard to implement that	14:54
sistpoty\|work	NCommander: that would be cool (as I'd like to keep the possibility to easily blacklist s.o., just in case)	14:54
sistpoty\|work	NCommander: I hope it's not too big of a wish, since I guess indirect group memberships might make it more difficult (not too sure what data you get from lp there)	14:55
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, well, we get the LP username, we could just ban them locally in REVU	14:55
sistpoty\|work	NCommander: and sorry, can look at the merge only after I got home	14:55
NCommander	(add a new permission group: BANNED!)	14:55
sistpoty\|work	NCommander: I guess that would work as well :)	14:56
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, personally, just getting rid of the need to sync keys was worth the effort and braindeadness of rdflib	14:57
sistpoty\|work	heh	14:57
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, we also have an account merger, and a blueprint for revu2	14:59
NCommander	And my favorite: a "REVU is ugly" bug :-P	14:59
sistpoty\|work	g	14:59
NCommander	sistpoty\|work, be afraid: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/revu/+spec/revu2	14:59
DRebellion	Hey guys, could someone review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor	15:00
DRebellion	It's built in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~drebellion/+archive	15:00
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joaopinto	The correct version for a new package not available on Debian is upstream_version-0ubuntu1 ?	15:58
warp10	Hi all!	16:00
joaopinto	knock knock :P	16:00
bddebian	joaopinto: Yes	16:01
directhex	joaopinto, spot on	16:01
tuxmaniac	warp10: hello	16:01
warp10	heya tuxmaniac!	16:02
tuxmaniac	bddebian: hello LTNS again :-)	16:02
joaopinto	so it is safe to ignore dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field ?	16:02
bddebian	Heh, heya tuxmaniac	16:02
tuxmaniac	joaopinto: its safe but you would want to include a XSBC-O-M fiel in your control file	16:03
tuxmaniac	it will contain the packager/maintainer name and email	16:03
joaopinto	ok, I assume that should be me :P	16:04
joaopinto	is anyeone familiar with the Free Art License ?	16:09
joaopinto	I am working on a package for which the art is distributed under the FAL, where could I check if the license is acceptable for an universe package ?	16:09
joaopinto	fails to compile with the newer g++	16:12
sistpoty\|work	joaopinto: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html might give some clue	16:12
joaopinto	grr, it's GPL incompatible, but the software is distributed under GPL and the art with this FAL	16:13
joaopinto	what should I do ? Contact the author ?	16:14
sistpoty\|work	joaopinto: or ask on #ubuntu-devel for clarification (the gnu list gives only a rough overview, and is not always what archive admins make from it)	16:16
joaopinto	ok, anyway I need to be sure it builds first :\|	16:16
joaopinto	any g++ expert to show me what is wrong with "static Sound *fromFile (const std::string &fileName);" ? the newer g++ produces the error pasted above	16:18
sistpoty\|work	joaopinto: I can find any pasted errors :P	16:19
joaopinto	oh, I didn't paste the error, error: expected unqualified-id before '&' token	16:19
joaopinto	hum, maybe I need some header file for std::string	16:19
sistpoty\|work	joaopinto: that would be <string>	16:20
joaopinto	let's try before dpatch it	16:20
NCommander	Is there anyone here who can run a few tests for me?	16:23
NCommander	(I need someone to see if they can log into my local revu installation)	16:23
joaopinto	sistpoty\|work, it fixed it, thanks	16:23
sistpoty\|work	np	16:23
DRebellion	NCommander, sure.	16:24
RainCT	If an application has a license in Japanese and includes an English translation, is it enough to copy the English one into debian/copyright?)	16:24
NCommander	DRebellion, http://nemesisnetworks.com/revu-openid	16:24
NCommander	First tell me if that loads	16:24
NCommander	(if it hasn't by now, that is not a good sign)	16:25
DRebellion	=/	16:25
NCommander	ok	16:25
NCommander	So its an apache issue I think	16:25
DRebellion	"Connecting to nemesisnetworks.com..."	16:25
NCommander	Yeah	16:25
NCommander	Ok	16:25
NCommander	At least its not my code	16:25
joaopinto	lintian complained about old config.sub, config.guess, it is ok to replace those on the orig.tar.gz or should I create a dpatch for those files refresh ?	16:26
NCommander	DRebellion, try it now	16:26
NCommander	I just restarted apache	16:26
DRebellion	NCommander, nope.	16:27
DRebellion	nmap says: 80/tcp filtered http	16:27
NCommander	Ok	16:27
NCommander	Well	16:27
NCommander	That's beautiful	16:27
RainCT	btw, are there some other docs on how to package a library other than the Debian Library Packaging guide (other=shorter ;))	16:27
RainCT	?	16:28
NCommander	other machines on my network can't access it	16:28
NCommander	So its an apache issue	16:28
DRebellion	NCommander, perhaps firewall settings? Port 80 should be open, not filtered.	16:28
NCommander	DRebellion, I can't even telnet to it from the router	16:29
NCommander	Or other machines	16:29
NCommander	THe firewall says its right	16:29
NCommander	DRebellion, try http://69.207.147.100	16:29
DRebellion	It works!	16:29
NCommander	crap	16:30
NCommander	THe domain moved	16:30
NCommander	Or my IP	16:30
* NCommander updates his DNS records		16:30
NCommander	That explains the timeouts	16:30
DRebellion	nemesisnetworks.com points:	16:30
DRebellion	nemesisnetworks.com.1483INA66.67.48.151	16:30
NCommander	yup	16:30
NCommander	THat's it	16:30
NCommander	Static IPs my ass	16:30
DRebellion	hehe, you using dyndns?	16:30
NCommander	No	16:31
NCommander	Google Apps	16:31
NCommander	Needed mail hosting	16:31
DRebellion	ah right	16:31
sistpoty\|work	joaopinto: you should never mangle the .orig.tar.gz (unless it contains non-free bits)	16:31
sistpoty\|work	joaopinto: however .diff.gz is a quite good patch system imo ;)	16:31
joaopinto	well, I always worked with diff.gz, but today I got into the dpatch mood, since it is easy to integrate with cdbs	16:32
NCommander	DRebellion, ok, I updated the record	16:32
NCommander	Want to try it?	16:32
NCommander	(http://nemesisnetworks.com)	16:33
DRebellion	not working i'm afraid	16:33
NCommander	Not suprising	16:33
NCommander	Someone new care to try it? (who doesn't have my domain name cached)	16:33
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NCommander	DRebellion, ok, well, now its fixed so once the DNS resolved	16:35
NCommander	*resolves	16:35
DRebellion	NCommander, my router is still giving me the old one -.-	16:35
NCommander	Its fine	16:36
NCommander	Now that I tracked down the issue	16:36
NCommander	I thank you for your contribution to REVU Development ;-)	16:36
DRebellion	;)	16:36
* NCommander canned line		16:36
NCommander	DRebellion, if you actually would like to work on REVU development, I personally want to make it a little less ugly	16:37
* RainCT feels ignored :P		16:37
* NCommander doesn't hear anything from RainCT		16:37
DRebellion	RainCT, now you know how me and my package feels ;)	16:37
RainCT	heh	16:37
NCommander	Hrm, must have been my imagination	16:37
NCommander	RainCT, http://nemesisnetworks.com/revu-openid	16:37
NCommander	Now not requiring revu-uploaders	16:38
NCommander	(or key syncing)	16:38
RainCT	NCommander: works :)	16:38
NCommander	woo	16:38
NCommander	Its so sexy ;-)	16:38
NCommander	RainCT, your keys just got synced to revu-openid ;-)	16:38
NCommander	It did it during login	16:38
RainCT	NCommander: "assiocated" has a typo, twice, in the merge page	16:38
NCommander	fixed	16:39
NCommander	I thank you for your contribution to REVU Development ;-)	16:39
RainCT	lol	16:40
NCommander	10 \| 4 \| 284E9B2808EDE02D45A41DCC1D3D2D200EADC245	16:41
NCommander	There's your GPG key in the database	16:41
DRebellion	Come on, there must be someone who can spare a little bit of time to review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor	16:42
NCommander	RainCT, how do I query the keyring to see all keys	16:42
NCommander	gpg --keyring ./trustdb.gpg, right?	16:42
DRebellion	You don't even have to test build it! https://launchpad.net/~drebellion/+archive	16:43
* RainCT has no idea about keys :)		16:43
NCommander	hrm	16:43
NCommander	I can't figure out if your key actually got imported	16:43
RainCT	NCommander: perhaps you will find how to do it in some of the scritps	16:43
NCommander	your a great help :-P	16:43
RainCT	I know :P	16:43
* RainCT is looking for a multi-binary package with a lib and using cdbs		16:46
bddebian	Sounds evil	16:46
RainCT	bddebian: yep, but it's to get a great feature :)	16:48
RainCT	although I'm not sure if it's great enough to be worth packaging two evil applications and writting some scripts..	16:48
DRebellion	NCommander, what sort of REVU dev work did you have in mind?	17:01
NCommander	I'd like to redo the HTML and make the interface more modern	17:01
DRebellion	hmm, I've never coded html	17:02
DRebellion	NCommander, looks like my router has finally updated the dns, time to check out the so-called ugly interface	17:02
NCommander	DRebellion, its the same as the regular REVU ;-)	17:02
DRebellion	ah right	17:03
NCommander	I would like to make more similar to the lists you see on Launchpad	17:03
DRebellion	s'not that bad	17:03
NCommander	SMaller fonts	17:03
NCommander	Less brown	17:03
DRebellion	ok, now I think about it, the fonts could be a bit smaller	17:03
NCommander	Well, THAT's pretty	17:05
NCommander	GPG's output is in Apache's error log	17:05
NCommander	(because GPG prints on stderr)	17:05
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RainCT	Archive admins won't get angry if I don't list the authors in debian/copyright (the policy says listing the authors is a "should"), or? (I don't feel comfortable listing them as there is no authors list and I can only guess grepping names out from the source files)	17:15
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k0p	hi all	17:19
k0p	someone can review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=umit	17:20
DktrKranz	k0p: XB-Python-Version: current is already in binary stanza, you can omit from source stanza, you already have XS-Python-Version there	17:24
DRebellion	Could someone review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor Thanks :)	17:27
LucidFox	Why is ACCEPTED so large currently?	17:27
DRebellion	It's built in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~drebellion/+archive	17:28
DktrKranz	LucidFox: I noticed Soyuz won't move packages from pending to published, that could be the cause	17:28
LucidFox	DktrKranz> Seems so	17:29
DktrKranz	LucidFox: maybe asking to archive admins or cprov might help	17:30
k0p	DktrKranz, so omit xs-python-version?	17:42
k0p	delete this line?	17:42
DktrKranz	k0p: XB-Python-Version, the one below XS-Python-Version	17:43
* sistpoty\|work heads home... cya		17:43
k0p	DktrKranz, done. deleted XB-Python-Version	17:45
k0p	DktrKranz, what do you think about rest?	17:46
DktrKranz	k0p: I just gave a very quick look, not a full review, no major errors so far, but I need to check licensing carefully (even if I think it's good)	17:47
huats	norsetto: regarding the example pb	17:47
k0p	DktrKranz, sure.	17:47
huats	would it be acceptable that I install the file using dh_install and not dh_installexamples ?	17:47
norsetto	huats: good try, but nope :-)	17:48
huats	:)	17:48
DktrKranz	k0p: I won't be at home this eve (maybe only very late), if you ping me tomorrow, I can have a full review :)	17:48
huats	norsetto: 2 things happen	17:48
huats	the first each file of more than 4.5 K is gz by dh_installexamples	17:48
k0p	DktrKranz, really? :D thanks	17:48
k0p	DktrKranz, belive me, I'll ping :)	17:49
DktrKranz	;)	17:49
norsetto	huats: thats normal and its policy	17:49
huats	which means that in order to use the example (it is 1 single example that fall into say 20 files) you need to gunzip all of them	17:50
huats	so the solution might be to use dh_installexamples	17:50
huats	to move most of them	17:50
huats	and then to compress the one too small to be compressed...	17:50
huats	(since gz file do not provoques a warning by lintian)	17:51
norsetto	huats: note that you should not run the examples from /usr/share thats just an holding space, so its fine if they are compressed and only uncompressed when needed	17:51
huats	ok	17:51
huats	won't it be better to create a tar of the whole example dir	17:52
huats	and then to give that tar to dh_installexamples ?	17:52
huats	that would ease the use of the example	17:52
norsetto	huats: hmmm but why would lintian be complaining?	17:52
huats	it is complaing :)	17:53
norsetto	huats: can you show me your rules and the lintian output ?	17:53
DktrKranz	k0p: just a quick question: why python, python (>= 2.5) \| python-pysqlite2 ?	17:53
RainCT	DktrKranz: because sqlite is in the standard python libs since version 2.5	17:54
huats	norsetto: sure	17:54
DktrKranz	RainCT: ah, thanks ;(	17:55
k0p	DktrKranz, hmm	17:55
DktrKranz	erm.... I mean ";)"	17:55
k0p	yeap	17:55
k0p	RainCT hi :)	17:56
* RainCT greets k0p :)		17:56
huats	norsetto: http://pastebin.org/57038	17:57
huats	and	17:57
huats	http://pastebin.org/57040	17:58
k0p	DktrKranz, I upload little fix that you said me about XB-Python-Versions	17:58
DktrKranz	ok	17:59
norsetto	huats: what has this to do with the zipping !?	17:59
huats	all the files we you have a lintian warning	18:00
huats	are unzipped files	18:00
huats	all the others (which are zipped)	18:00
huats	do not provide a warning	18:00
norsetto	huats: but the warning is about them having the executable bit set and not being executable	18:01
norsetto	huats: instead of having demos in examples, why not directly all the content of it?	18:03
huats	norsetto: I haven't understood your sentence (the content of it)	18:04
norsetto	huats: you are installing the whole demos dir in /usr/share/doc/libtktreectrl/examples/	18:05
norsetto	huats: it would be better to have /usr/share/doc/libtktreectrl/examples/pics etc.	18:06
RainCT	If an application comes with some additional binaries and scripts which would be useful to have in /usr/bin, but some of the names are very generic, what do you recommend me to do with them? Prefix them with the name of the package (and if so, all of them or only those with a generic name)?	18:06
huats	norsetto: what would it change ?	18:07
huats	(well I see the thing to remove the demo dir)	18:07
norsetto	huats: that having exaples/demos only its silly	18:07
huats	but what would it change for my pb :)	18:07
huats	I mean	18:08
huats	I'll try rght now...	18:08
norsetto	huats: its nothing to do with your "problem", is an additional comment	18:08
huats	norsetto: oh ok :)	18:09
huats	thanks for the comment :)	18:09
norsetto	huats: my pleasure :-)	18:09
huats	(btw I lead 4-3 with today)	18:09
huats	:P	18:09
RainCT	huats: you can fix the problem from the warning with a simple chmod -x, btw	18:09
huats	RainCT I was about to do so...	18:09
huats	thanks	18:10
norsetto	huats: nope, its 3-4, and thats because you are sleeping ...	18:10
huats	the thing is that I feel a bit unease to have some file named .tcl and some other .tcl.gz in the same dir while they were all *.tcl	18:10
norsetto	huats: get used to it then ...	18:11
huats	:)	18:11
huats	I am :)	18:11
huats	it is just that I was looking for "another" solution	18:11
huats	:)	18:11
huats	(that I haven't found)	18:11
norsetto	huats: whats the difference with when you install files in /usr/share/package/doc ?	18:13
huats	norsetto: what do you mean ?	18:13
RainCT	huats: what's about an examples.gz?	18:14
RainCT	*.tar.gz	18:14
norsetto	huats: I mean, this is exactly the same behaviour for dh_installdocs, why is that not giving you problems?	18:14
huats	i know	18:14
huats	it sounds silly...	18:14
huats	but it is OK now	18:14
huats	:)	18:14
huats	norsetto: I really need to go now...	18:20
huats	but I'll send you an emailthis WE telling you I have done the new upload :)	18:20
norsetto	huats: ok :-)	18:20
norsetto	huats: have a nice WE!	18:20
huats	thanks for your help luke and cesare	18:20
huats	thanks !	18:20
huats	I will (going to géraldine's parents...)	18:20
huats	:)	18:20
norsetto	huats: luke?	18:21
norsetto	huats: skywalker?	18:21
norsetto	huats: ok, don't eat too much foie gras then :-)	18:21
huats	why did I think that it was TheMuso who told me for the chmod...	18:21
huats	and it was RainCT :)	18:21
huats	I won't	18:21
huats	remember I am on diet :)	18:22
huats	bye	18:22
norsetto	huats: ah, I forgot it ;-)	18:22
huats	I haven't	18:22
huats	a:(	18:22
huats	:(	18:22
joaopinto	can someone check if my GPG key is synchronized in REVU ?	18:23
RainCT	joaopinto: it is	18:32
joaopinto	ok tks	18:32
joaopinto	revu sends a result email right ?	18:33
RainCT	no	18:33
joaopinto	ouch	18:33
RainCT	(mentors.debian.org does, but REVU not)	18:33
Iulian	It's .net	18:42
directhex	someone rang?	18:44
directhex	oh, wait. /me returns to the monocave	18:44
joaopinto	should a coverfinder app go into sound&video or graphics ?	18:48
slytherin	joaopinto: cover finder for what?	18:50
joaopinto	cd cover finder	18:50
joaopinto	CD	18:50
joaopinto	for audio CDs	18:50
slytherin	joaopinto: I guess that should be sound and video	18:50
joaopinto	ok	18:50
joaopinto	can someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=coverfinder ?	18:51
RainCT	does someone know why it may be that I get this? /usr/bin/install: no s’ha pogut crear el fitxer ordinari «/usr/bin/dfa_determinize»: Permission denied	18:52
RainCT	(building a cdbs package with autotools.mk)	18:53
slytherin	RainCT: Can you please translate it?	18:53
RainCT	slytherin: couldn't create file	18:53
tuxmaniac	whats the standard version used? 3.8 ?	18:53
RainCT	tuxmaniac: yep, 3.8.0	18:54
slytherin	tuxmaniac: 3.8.0	18:54
joaopinto	RainCT, the install is attempting to install into the system bin dir instead of the debian/target ?	18:54
slytherin	RainCT: what joaopinto said	18:54
RainCT	that what I think, but I don't see why it should be do that :S	18:54
joaopinto	probably the Makefile does not honor DESTDIR	18:55
RainCT	that it calls ./configure with --prefix=usr/ is normal (first I thought that's the problem but I've just seen lots of build logs looking like that), or?	18:56
slytherin	RainCT: paste your rules file somewhere	18:56
joaopinto	RainCT, that is for the configure, and it is fine, your problem is with the install rule	18:56
joaopinto	if you are using the defaults, it should call make install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/package	18:57
RainCT	it hasn't got anything special.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/30337/plain (I've tried adding "DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET := install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/" but that didn't help)	18:58
directhex	joaopinto, what's the source of the data?	18:59
slytherin	RainCT: Is it a new package, do you have files like debian/install. What does that file contain?	18:59
emgent	heya	18:59
joaopinto	directhex, sorry ? which source of which data ?	18:59
RainCT	slytherin: no, I haven't any of those yet	18:59
directhex	joaopinto, where does coverfinder get covers from?	18:59
joaopinto	directhex, amazon	18:59
joaopinto	"This is a tool to find cover images via the Amazon Web Services API and to"	19:00
directhex	joaopinto, check the AWS terms & conditions. iirc there are issues with them	19:00
joaopinto	ops, wasted work :\	19:02
joaopinto	can someone nuke the package from revu :P ?	19:02
slytherin	directhex: but gcstar also retrives artwork from amazon	19:04
joaopinto	wait, i was reading the amazon page conditions of use	19:05
joaopinto	I can't find any conditions of use for the API	19:05
directhex	http://www.amazon.com/E-Commerce-Service-AWS-home-page/b/ref=sc_fe_c_0_15763381_1?ie=UTF8&node=12738641&no=15763381&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA	19:07
tuxmaniac	can I use dpatch for a package that uses cdbs? I mean the rules file doesnt contain the build-stamp etc	19:07
joaopinto	http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/think-you-can-use-amazon-api-for-library-service-book-covers/	19:07
directhex	"You may use the data in the Amazon Associates Web Service as long as it's used primarily to drive traffic back to Amazon's web sites or sales of Amazon products and services. "	19:07
RainCT	tuxmaniac: yes. there's a dpatch.mk	19:07
joaopinto	tuxmaniac, yes you can, is quite easy, you just need to include the dpatch makefile	19:07
RainCT	(/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk)	19:08
directhex	yes, i know, AWS is lovely, but the license sucks	19:08
tuxmaniac	and then I do as usual creating the patches directory and 00list etc right?	19:08
tuxmaniac	no other change required?	19:08
RainCT	tuxmaniac: right	19:08
tuxmaniac	in the rules I mean	19:08
tuxmaniac	RainCT: thanks	19:08
slytherin	tuxmaniac: why not use cdbs simple patchsys?	19:11
tuxmaniac	slytherin: I am used to dpatch. hence. But I will look into what you are telling	19:12
slytherin	tuxmaniac: simple patch sys is even simpler	19:13
RainCT	joaopinto: you were right, "make install" doesn't recognize DESTDIR, but "make install prefix=..." works	19:14
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RainCT	joaopinto: do you know how I can get cdbs to use prefix instead of DESTDIR or how to fix the makefile?	19:15
joaopinto	so you just need to override the DEB_INSTALL var	19:15
RainCT	ah ok	19:15
joaopinto	or you fix the makefile and provide the patch upstream	19:15
RainCT	DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET := install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/ - like this?	19:15
joaopinto	yes, that should work	19:15
RainCT	thanks	19:16
RainCT	(yep, worked now)	19:29
DRebellion	Could someone review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor Thanks :)	19:32
DRebellion	It's built in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~drebellion/+archive	19:32
slytherin	DRebellion: There is no use asking for review everyday	19:34
DRebellion	slytherin, how comes?	19:34
slytherin	DRebellion: people get annoyed by this.	19:34
DRebellion	slytherin, that's fair.	19:35
DRebellion	slytherin, how do any of the packages get reviewed anyway?	19:35
nhandler	DRebellion, They get reviewed when a MOTU finds time to review them	19:35
slytherin	DRebellion: You mean on revu. The MOTU team members do it. Of course anyone is now allowed to review a package. But only MOTU members can advocate a package.	19:36
DRebellion	hmm... okay, i'll lay off the spamming for a while	19:38
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tuxmaniac	how long does it take normally for a revu upload to reflect on the website? Has it got increased of late?	19:57
joaopinto	mine took 5 minutes	19:58
tuxmaniac	its up now. :-)	19:58
tuxmaniac	if someone can review and pass on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gresistor it will be nice. A very small package it is	19:59
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nhandler	Could someone here help me add a patch system to a package? Or could someone at least point me to some documentation about adding a patch system?	20:12
tuxmaniac	nhandler: dpatch? http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2008/01/25/dpatch-just-superb-a-short-how-to/	20:16
jpds	nhandler: If you are using CDBS, I suggest using simple-patchsys.mk	20:19
slytherin	nhandler: are you working on groovy?	20:20
tuxmaniac	slytherin: did you assign the electric bug to Universe sponsors?	20:21
tuxmaniac	or is it not required?	20:21
slytherin	tuxmaniac: I subscribed them. No need to assign. I talked with geser and persia yesterday but no one was free for a review.	20:22
tuxmaniac	slytherin: and I have packaged gresistor for bug 251919. I update the bug report with the diff and subscribe them?	20:23
ubottu	Launchpad bug 251919 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] gResistor - Resistor Colour code calculator" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251919	20:23
slytherin	tuxmaniac: Is it a new package? If yes the add link to revu page of the package in the bug.	20:24
nhandler	No slytherin, I'm working on a different patch. It doesn't matter what patch system I use	20:24
tuxmaniac	yes doing it.	20:24
slytherin	nhandler: Ok. Do you have any concerns about the comment I added on groovy bug?	20:25
nhandler	slytherin: I don't think your suggested changes should be applied in Ubuntu. I think it would be better if they were applied upstream.	20:26
slytherin	nhandler: are including libs in upstream tarball? Then I guess they should either be stripped in .orig.tar.gz or be cleaned in clean target. If they are getting copied in build process then patch the build.xml to not do it.	20:27
nhandler	jpds: Do you by any chance have a guide on how to add a cdbs patch system to a package?	20:29
nhandler	slytherin: I'll have to take a closer look at the package. Chances are I won't get to it until after the weekend. If you want to prepare a patch before then, feel free.	20:29
jpds	nhandler: Add: "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk" to debian/rules.	20:30
nhandler	Is that it?	20:30
jpds	nhandler: And place the patches in debian/patches/	20:30
slytherin	nhandler: will see	20:30
jpds	nhandler: Yes. Simple huh? :-)	20:30
nhandler	Wow, it really is easy jpds :)	20:30
joaopinto	does patchsys provides some helper script like dpatch-edit ?	20:32
slytherin	nhandler: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems	20:32
slytherin	joaopinto: it is part of cdbs, try command cdbs-edit-patch	20:32
slytherin	of course with a patch name	20:32
nhandler	slytherin, I've seen that. But it doesn't show you how to add a patch system. It only shows you how to add patches	20:32
slytherin	nhandler: you are right, time to edit the page	20:33
slytherin	nhandler: we both overlooked. For simple-patchsys the page has instructions.	20:34
nhandler	You are correct slytherin. ;)	20:36
norsetto_	treat cdbs-edit-patch with veneration	20:36
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SWAT	is it possible to get the REVU keyring synced? I just uploaded my (new) gpg-key and want to upload 3 packages for review	20:37
jpds	SWAT: Sec.	20:38
jpds	SWAT: revu-key scripts running. I shall tell you when it's done.	20:39
nhandler	What are the "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk" and "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/makefile.mk" lines for in debian/rules?	20:40
jpds	nhandler: They add commands from CDBS to build the packages.	20:41
nhandler	jpds: Do I need to include them in the rules file?	20:42
slytherin	nhandler: you get a set of predefined commands and variables in those files.	20:42
SWAT	jpds: thanks	20:42
cody-somerville	Meeting in 18-20 minutes :)	20:42
slytherin	nhandler: debhelper.mk you will need always. Not sure about makefile.mk	20:43
norsetto	nhandler: those are makefiles that will be included in your rules, check them out, its quite informative to see whats in there	20:43
jpds	SWAT: All done. Upload at will.	20:46
joaopinto	can someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amoebax (game) ? Thanks	20:48
joaopinto	and one question about revu, once the package is accepted, does the comments get archived but available for future reference ?	20:49
SWAT	jpds: merci!	20:49
jpds	SWAT: De rien!	20:49
nhandler	I'm getting this error when I try to use cdbs-edit-patch to create a patch with the new patch system: "debian/rules:43: *** target file `clean' has both : and :: entries. Stop."	20:51
jpds	nhandler: I think you have to change the "clean:" rule in rules so it has two "::".	20:52
slytherin	nhandler: or the reverse of what jpds said	20:52
nhandler	That did it jpds. Hopefully, I will be able to get the patch added now ;)	20:53
jpds	Good.	20:54
norsetto	devfil_: can you use a more customary name for the patch in bug 251925 ?	20:54
ubottu	Launchpad bug 251925 in opencascade "FTBFS in Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251925	20:54
devfil_	norsetto: ubuntu_toolchain_FTBFS is ok?	20:55
norsetto	devfil_: but the patch is just adding flags for the O_CREAT	20:55
devfil_	norsetto: yes, but the FTBFS is caused by D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 flag enabled in intrepid	20:56
norsetto	devfil_: btw, S_IWUSR is repeated twice and I'm not sure we need S_IRGRP\|S_IROTH	20:57
sistpoty	re	20:57
devfil_	norsetto: I've take it from the same code	20:57
devfil_	norsetto: ok, I'm going to fix it properly	20:57
nhandler	Just out of curiosity, is anyone working on finishing this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/README.sourceHowTo	20:58
persia	MOTU Meeting in 2 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting	20:58
devfil_	norsetto: I've also done another patch to fix a FTBFS, can you take a look at it?	20:59
norsetto	devfil_: not now, but don't worry, it will come under the radar ;-)	20:59
devfil_	norsetto: ok :)	20:59
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slytherin	nhandler: FYI ... groovy is not actually bundling jars. It is just adding symlinks to them.	21:03
nhandler	Thanks for the information slytherin	21:03
RainCT	what's wrong with this (watch file)? http://sourceforge.jp/projects/julius/files/ http://sourceforge.jp/projects/julius/downloads/(?:[0-9]+)/julius-(.*)\.tar\.gz	21:07
slytherin	RainCT: have you tried running uscan?	21:09
devfil_	norsetto: can you unsubscribe u-u-s from the bug? I need at least 2 hours to build it again	21:09
norsetto	devfil_: I can't	21:09
RainCT	slytherin: yep, uscan --verbose. it doesn't find anything	21:09
joaopinto	do we get an email when someone posts a comment on REVU ?	21:09
nhandler	I don't think so joaopinto	21:09
slytherin	RainCT: A simpler patter would be this - http://sf.net/medit/mooedit-(.*)\.tar\.bz2	21:10
RainCT	joaopinto: right now not (it may be implemented in the near future, though)	21:10
joaopinto	uff, it is kind of frustrating to work with REVU	21:10
RainCT	slytherin: that doesn't seem to work with sourceforge.jp	21:10
geser	slytherin: re your question about bug 223466: just like sync requests, requests for removal need to be ACKed by a motu too.	21:10
joaopinto	can the review be performed on LP instead of REVU ? since we need a bug nr in the first place ?	21:10
ubottu	Launchpad bug 223466 in xmms-openspc "Remove xmms-openspc from repository" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223466	21:10
RainCT	joaopinto: NCommander is doing some great work which should make it better (like switching to OpenID with Launchpad for login, obsoleting the revu-uploaders group, import from PPA, etc.)	21:11
nhandler	joaopinto, You are meant to open a needs-packaging bug at the very beginning. But once the package gets uploaded to revu, all discussion is meant to occur there	21:11
slytherin	geser: hmm, I have one removal request up my sleeve. :-)	21:11
joaopinto	why not moving the entire process to LP instead ?	21:12
slytherin	How do I calculate rdepends?	21:12
geser	apt-cache rdepends	21:12
joaopinto	what is the advantage of using REVU over LP ?	21:13
geser	and for rbuilddepends you can use the reverse-build-depends script from ubuntu-dev-tools	21:13
slytherin	geser: yes, that I am already using	21:13
slytherin	joaopinto: I don't think the way our reviews work, LP can handle that.	21:13
NCommander	slytherin, no, its a known problem that while PPAs are awesome, Soyuz isn't really suited for handling reviewing and such	21:14
slytherin	NCommander: yes that is what I meant	21:14
joaopinto	what is so specific with the review process ? the advocates count ?	21:15
* NCommander sighs		21:16
Laney	Packages go through multiple iterations of reviewing	21:16
joaopinto	you mean multiple comments ? I don't see any specific iteration status on REVU	21:17
NCommander	joaopinto, go look at a package, then see each version is listed in chronological order	21:17
Laney	(with comments to a particular version)	21:17
joaopinto	how does that differ from LP with comments with diffs attachments ?	21:18
joaopinto	is it acceptable to send a review request to the MOTU ML or those should be kept on IRC ?	21:23
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slytherin	joaopinto: it should acceptable but I do not recommend it. We will suddenly get flooded with revu requests.	21:26
RainCT	slytherin: (about the watch file.... the links doesn't start with "http://source.." (but directly "/projects/julius"), thats why it failed -.-)	21:28
slytherin	:-)	21:28
mocha	hello, any motu's here that can talk about Alsa?	21:29
mocha	I wanted to know if Alsa 1.0.17 can get backported to Hardy	21:29
joaopinto	well, it's my second time trying to upload a package into Ubuntu, I will try with the ML, I noticed you don't like to see repeated requests here (neither I like to repeat)	21:30
mocha	anyone?	21:30
mocha	the reason I bring this up is because Alsa 1.0.17 fixes a lot of bugs with Intel HDA such as mixer settings and low volume issues	21:31
mocha	I will probably install it manually but don't really like to do that with critical system files, modules, etc	21:32
laga	mocha: try #ubuntu-devel	21:32
laga	mocha: motu isn't really responsible for kernel stuff	21:32
mocha	I was just there, they told me to come here!	21:32
jpds	laga: Err, I told him to come here ;-)	21:32
laga	haha.	21:32
mocha	heh	21:33
jpds	laga: Due to backports being more motu stuff.	21:33
laga	there is a linux-backports-modules packages.	21:33
mocha	should I just file a bug report then?	21:33
slytherin	geser: if you got time for an ack, bug 251973	21:33
ubottu	Launchpad bug 251973 in libjaxp1.2-java "Please remove the package from repositories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251973	21:33
laga	linux-backports-modules-hardy - like this package. but i never used them	21:33
jpds	mocha: at bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports .	21:33
mocha	okay, I think I'll do that then, thanks	21:34
slytherin	jpds: backports is not motu stuff. there is separate team for backports	21:34
mocha	slytherin: whom?	21:35
jpds	slytherin: I know. But I think -motu would be a better place for it than -devel.	21:35
slytherin	jpds: still no. alsa is core package. May be the bug fixes he is specifying will land in -updates. So -devel is right channel for discussion.	21:36
slytherin	mocha: I don't know the members. Better discuss this first in -devel if it is possible to get these fixes in -updates	21:36
mocha	well I could go back there then and see if anyone has any pointers	21:36
nhandler	The include lines that I added to debian/rules for cdbs are preventing me from building the package. I get this error "cp: cannot stat `./usr/include/skstream-0.3/skstream/sasproto.h': No such file or directory dh_install: command returned error code 256"	21:45
jpds	nhandler: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30384/	21:50
* NCommander bitches about how some women hit my car		21:52
directhex	badly?	21:55
* slytherin leaves for some sleep		21:59
nhandler	jpds: The package I am adding the cdbs patch system to is skstream. It contains the libskstream-0.3-dev package (It also has the sasproto.h file). So I am a little unclear why adding the include lines to debian/rules would stop it from building.	22:04
RainCT	debian/rules:13: *** missing separator. Stop. what does that mean?	22:13
NCommander	RainCT, means you got spaces instead of tabs usually	22:14
RainCT	NCommander: no, I've tabs (but tried with 4 and with 1 spaces, too)	22:14
RainCT	ok, yea it were spaces, now it works	22:16
RainCT	but it should have had tabs on the first try.. strange	22:17
RainCT	NCommander: thanks	22:17
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nellery	warp10, ping	23:10
warp10	nellery: pong	23:11
nellery	warp10, hi, you commented on the reports I submitted patches for	23:12
nellery	and told me to report them to Debian	23:12
nellery	do I keep the maintainer as ubuntu-motu?	23:12
warp10	nellery: please, no: that's an ubuntu-specific change	23:12
nellery	alright	23:13
Laney	nellery: You generally just submit parts of your ubuntu debdiff.	23:13
warp10	nellery: they just need the patch itself, without changelog modifcations too	23:13
nellery	warp10, I see	23:13
Laney	There's a submittodebian tool in (I believe) ubuntu-dev-tools which helps when reporting changes to Debian.	23:13
nellery	Will you able able to review it to make sure it's all good?	23:14
Laney	yep	23:14
nellery	thanks!	23:14
warp10	nellery: remember to regularly check the bug status on debian: if they are not fixed in a reasonable time, feel free to resubscribe u-u-s. :)	23:15
nellery	warp10, alright... I submit this to launchpad.net/debian?	23:15
warp10	nellery: no: bugs.debian.org	23:16
nellery	warp10, ah, ok	23:16
warp10	nellery: Debian BTS is very different from launchpad and uses emails to manage bugs.	23:17
warp10	nellery: you may want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/ReportingToDebian and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Debian/Usertagging too	23:17
directhex	which isn't neccessarily evil, it's just different	23:17
directhex	control@bugs is a nice interface if you're used to dealling with a lot of mail	23:18
nellery	so once I've made the changes to the debian/control file	23:18
nellery	how do I make the patch?	23:18
warp10	nellery: diff -ur file.old file.new > patch	23:20
directhex	yay for diff	23:21
nellery	warp10, what should file.old/new be replaced with?	23:21
nellery	the directory?	23:22
warp10	nellery: the directory, or just the control file, depending on what you need to diff. In this case, comparing debian/control should be enough	23:23
warp10	nellery: sorry, I have to go. If you have more question, please ask, someone will help you. :)	23:25
nellery	warp10, alright, thanks very much for your help!	23:26
warp10	nellery: my pleasure, and thank you for your contribution!	23:26
warp10	'night all!	23:26
nellery	Laney, here's the patch	23:37
nellery	http://paste.ubuntu.com/30417/	23:37
nhandler	I am trying to add a cdbs patch system to the skstream package. I added the required include lines to debian/rules. But now, when I go to build the package, I get this error "cp: cannot stat `./usr/include/skstream-0.3/skstream/sasproto.h': No such file or directory dh_install: command returned error code 256" Does anyone know how to fix this?	23:37
Laney	nellery: I think you might need to make it from one directory up	23:39
Laney	(so that the file name in the patch is debian/control instead of just control)	23:39
nellery	Laney, I see	23:39
Laney	but other than that, looks good	23:40
nellery	do I need to create a second control file to compare it with?	23:40
Laney	Just do what you did to make the first patch	23:41
Laney	(of course, the submittodebian script would do this for you ;)	23:41
Laney	nhandler: That package doesn't seem to use cdbs. I'm not sure you can use simple-patchsys in this case	23:41
nhandler	Laney: The package currently has no patch system. I am attempting to add one	23:42
Laney	nhandler: Yes, but I think that simple-patchsys requires the package to use cdbs in the first place, which this one doesn't	23:42
Laney	So I'd try another one (my preference is quilt)	23:43
nhandler	When I asked about adding a patch system earlier, jpds said I could just add the include lines to debian/rules, and I would be fine	23:44
nhandler	Laney: I have no preference about what patch system I use. I just need some docs about _how_ to add it	23:44
Laney	nhandler: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html#3__integrating_within_package_build_process	23:45
Laney	This is a good page on quilt	23:45
Laney	Make sure to build-dep on quilt	23:45
nhandler	I still wish I knew why the other patch system wouldn't work	23:47
Laney	I already told you	23:48
Laney	and so did jpds earlier	23:48
Laney	25/07 20:19:09 <jpds> nhandler: If you are using CDBS, I suggest using simple-patchsys.mk	23:49
* nhandler is tired		23:49
* jpds hugs nhandler and Laney.		23:51
jpds	nhandler: Got it to work?	23:52
* RainCT wonders if there's a "how to request package removal" document on the wiki		23:52
nhandler	jpds: Not yet. I'm going to try quilt	23:53
jpds	RainCT: File a bug on LP and subscribe the ubuntu-archive team, giving a reason why the package should be removed.	23:53
RainCT	jpds: I know :)	23:53
RainCT	ah yes, it's on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive	23:54
jpds	nhandler: What was the problem with simple-patchsys?	23:54
RainCT	I was just wondering because I reminded of the guy who got angry on the mailing list because his app was synced from Debian :P	23:55
jpds	nhandler: Can you pastebin your debian/rules file?	23:56
Laney	I'm a bit concerned that his first thought was to use licensing to stop us from using it	23:56
nhandler	jpds: Give me one second. I want to try one thing first	23:57
nhandler	It worked! I had to remove this line "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk"	23:58
jpds	Does the binary still build?	23:59
nhandler	Yes. The binary builds.	23:59

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