[00:25] off I go. See you in the morning. [02:21] Hi / Hola [02:32] asac: are you around or anyone else with python experience? [02:33] gnomefreak: I'm here, how much python experience? [02:34] Volans: mot too much. i was re reading my python book and it says orange is < 2how is that? [02:34] orange < 2 [02:35] its in first chapter in book [02:35] what book? [02:35] and what is the argument of the chapter or the example? [02:35] learn python in 24 hour IIRC [02:36] Volans: they were explaining < > <= >= != cant think of names [02:36] and they gave examples and they said to compare 2 of the same item than thay said orange < 2 [02:37] im thinking because its alpha < numbers is all i can think of [02:39] Strings are compared lexicographically using the numeric equivalents (the result of the built-in function ord()) of their characters. Unicode and 8-bit strings are fully interoperable in this behavior. [02:40] cit. http://docs.python.org/ref/comparisons.html [02:42] you can found useful also the definition of the Dive into python book: http://diveintopython.org/getting_to_know_python/declaring_functions.html#d0e4188 [02:48] i have that book and love it [02:48] yeah i bought a book that i have for free in Ubuntu [02:49] but i enjoy reading in bed or chair when waiting somewhere [02:49] i have a sleep study on wed. night and i should bring laptop with me ;) [02:50] I suggest for reading programming language book to have always a pc to make examples... they are fundamental for me [02:51] i have alot to learn with python still but i can write simple programs (im better in bash programming) [02:51] Volans: true [02:51] moreover in the past I have learned programming languages always to make some program or to try some idea... the latest one I have learned is python, only a few weeks ago [02:52] but im bringing the python book that im reading it is called python programming for absolute beginners [02:52] but bow I have a little project with about 2-3 thousands of code lines :) [02:52] damn [02:52] after 2-3 weeks [02:52] thats good [02:53] not so much... the bigger part are inclusion of some text and similar things [02:53] ah [02:53] and a friend of mine that look at the code tell me that the style can be better... [02:53] and seems that for python geeks the style is very important [02:54] last time i tried python there was a banner that i was trying to make and didnt relize i had to have the picture (yes sounds stupid now but than i figured a function or something would have it [02:54] my program is related to firefox extension... if you want to look at just tell me [02:55] Volans: that would be nice if you have it handy (doesnt have to be tonight) i have some work to do with firefox bookmarks and friends [02:56] oh and filters for thunderbird [02:56] maybe not tonight [02:56] oh need to check if tbird 3 worked out [02:57] ok, if you want, when you want, no problem :) lots of work for this night [02:57] fta: i dont mind taking tbird 3 off your hands if you still dont feel like doing it [02:57] Volans: you can email it to me and i can look at it in morning [02:57] if you want, ok [03:00] please [03:00] this is odd i uploaded xulrunner 2 weeks ago and it still hasnt sttareted building [03:00] shit i have to go for about an hour. do you have my email? [03:01] sent now [03:02] Volans: thanks i will be checking email after burn notice ;) i love that show [03:02] the name is Easy Menu [03:02] Volans: thanks [03:02] don't mention it [03:02] be back in ~1hour [03:02] now I go to sleep.... [03:02] here is very late [03:02] in the night [03:02] have a good night [03:03] thanks, and good evening/night [03:08] asac: tbird 2.0.0.16 has buffer overload issue in intrepid [03:42] asac what did you change from tbird 2.0.0.19~qa and the official package? [03:44] you can get it from https://launchpad.net/~asac/+archive [03:45] or add the repo to your sources.list but i wouldnt if you are testing intrepid because it makes it harder to get support [03:46] !pinning [03:46] pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto [03:46] see that link for help with pinning [03:47] i will talk to alexander tomorrow while we are working. atleast i got tbird 3 to build ;) [03:49] * gnomefreak wonders if xul built [03:52] damn it didnt [03:55] i need to find out what package xulrunner-1.9 needs to build it [04:27] it seems to be another app causing the buffer overflow with thunderbird since they both works fine this afternoon but now neither the ~qa nor the official package works [04:27] testing hardy atm [04:31] asac_: big problem with tbird update if you are here or you auto rejoined do to connection or something [04:39] i cant pin what is causing it but even ~qa fails with buffer overflow where as it was working fine this morning while i was building tbird 3 [04:39] asac_: please ping me in morning when you get here or when i get here === asac_ is now known as asac [05:29] testing upstream but i doubt it will fail with buffer error [05:30] eh i need to get some sleep its already 00:30 [05:30] !pinning [05:30] pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto === jetsaredim is now known as _jetsaredim [09:08] gnomefreak: i have no new bug against tbird [09:14] not even new bug mail ;) [09:14] gnomefreak: is your problem gone? [09:15] hi all [09:22] hi [09:33] asac: yes you do its 251602 [09:33] bug 251602 [09:33] hi XioNoX [09:33] asac: i found its not gvfs that caused it [09:33] hi gnomefreak [09:34] it was in last 2 batches of updates [09:34] Launchpad bug 251602 in thunderbird "[intrepid] mozilla thunderbird 2.0.0.16 buffer owerflow" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251602 [09:35] testing this mornings updates [09:36] than back to downgrade $package until i find the one [09:36] i guess someone thought same thing i did [09:36] gvfs updates [09:37] oh nope that was gvfs that i had downgraded :( [09:42] gnomefreak: ok got it [09:42] strange that its not in my tbird bug mail [09:42] let me know if you figure out what package caused it [09:43] i working on topic to #ubuntu+1 than i am back to going through logs to see what updates there were and what ones could have caused it. 2.0.0.14 works they say [09:43] i havent tried it [09:43] gnomefreak: its just a respin that caused this [09:43] asac: on what? [09:44] i dont remember any depends for tbird being updated yesterday after tbird was updated [09:44] gnomefreak: its the first spin in intrepid of tbird [09:44] gcc changed [09:45] ah ok i missed that one [09:46] gnomefreak: fixed [09:46] (i hope ;)) [09:47] i was just gonna do it for PPA to find out ;) but ill let yours come through. binaries will take me 2+ hours to build [09:47] uploaded [09:49] already? [09:49] uploaded for archive admins to push [09:49] ? [09:51] i want coffee :( [09:58] well i have some time. Im gonna get some house work done for now. I have it spinning locally so what ever one hits first ill grab [10:28] gnomefreak: no i uploaded to intrepid. no need for archive admins [10:28] its a intrepid only issue [10:28] oh i thought they had to push it after you upload it [10:28] no [10:28] oh i thougt you push they test and push [10:28] intrepid is open [10:28] ah [10:28] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/2.0.0.16+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 [10:28] currently building [10:52] thanks [10:52] what is key combo to change desktops? [10:52] virtual desktops [10:53] ctrl+alt + arrow-keys [10:56] jtv: i think we have a call in a few minutes, right? [10:56] asac: indeed we do! [10:56] jtv: ok, let me ping the rest of the mob ;) [10:57] :) [10:57] jtv: do we have any agenda yet? [10:58] asac: we only have 2 virtual desktops mow? can it be changed to 4 locally? [10:58] asac: not really, but I have a few points and I'm sure others do as well. [10:58] yes right click on it [10:59] jtv: good [10:59] jtv: its cjwatsons line [10:59] i will be there in a few minutes [10:59] OK [11:01] jtv: are you in? [11:02] asac: am now :) [11:06] asac, can you repeat what do you want that I do exactly ? please [11:12] on a call right now [11:12] k [11:14] asac: damn everyone is [11:15] * gnomefreak doesnt get phone calls that are fun anymore [11:21] jtv: problems? [11:22] asac: bumbs [11:22] asac: can you push to bzr branches? [11:22] * gnomefreak cant :( [11:22] here is what i get http://pastebin.mozilla.org/499735 [11:24] sorry here is all of it http://pastebin.mozilla.org/499737 [11:31] asac, globally i have to merge the PluginInstallerDatasource.js into hte exensions.js [11:31] right ? [11:57] fun [11:57] asac: on hppa/gentoo it segfaults as well [11:57] not during build, though [12:18] XioNoX: yes and no. did you manage to display the results now? [12:24] shoot me please [12:25] * gnomefreak not even gonna bring up bzr isnt being scanned [12:25] its not even 8am yet im going to try to get rid of headache now [12:31] * asac lunch [12:36] back [13:00] asac, ping [13:06] XioNoX: yup [13:06] cool [13:06] so [13:07] we spend the full day with gandalf to arrived at hte conclusion thait it is not possible with XUL templates only [13:07] we have to use JS [13:09] even if we succeded, included that to the extention.js, to have a nice looking richlistbox is not really easy [13:12] so, i'm a little bit stuck right now... [13:15] asac ? [13:16] can you get gandalf in? [13:19] he is out to lunch [13:19] the bad things about JS is that its hardy maintainable [13:20] so we have to find something in between imo [13:22] asac, did you saw the link for the .desktop automake process, or did you miss it? :) [13:23] XioNoX: which was the latest .rdf file you used? [13:24] http://xionox.info/testmoz/ori.rdf [13:24] the one i get from header extension [13:24] XioNoX: yes. i meant which .rdf did you try in the end? [13:24] that was something different iirc [13:24] was it http://xionox.info/testmoz/template-guide-ex2.rdf ? [13:25] http://xionox.info/testmoz/test2.rdf [13:25] XioNoX: thats the last that worked [13:25] but the lastest is only on gandalf macbook [13:25] XioNoX: i want the one you decided on that its impossible to do ;)= [13:26] the impossible thing to do is about the update section [13:26] yes [13:26] give me the file ;) [13:26] http://xionox.info/testmoz/template-guide-ex2.rdf [13:27] that one has still parser issues [13:27] I know [13:27] it is not the good one [13:27] I can give you the good one as soon as gandlf come back [13:28] the the test2.rdf is the most working that I have [13:28] yes, thats a trivial rdf [13:28] gandalf is back [13:29] he will join us in 2s [13:35] bon jour [13:36] zbraniecki: hi [13:36] asac: hi man [13:36] want me to explain that shit about RDF/template? [13:37] zbraniecki: wanna know whats the problem here ;) [13:37] yea, ok [13:37] so [13:37] basically [13:38] what you have in this RDF is a double reference [13:38] plugins={'updates1', 'updates2'} [13:38] updates1={'last update'} [13:38] updates2={'last update2'} [13:39] last_update={name, id, yada, yada} [13:39] last_update2={name, id, yada, yada} [13:39] that's more or less [13:39] it [13:39] so you have to build a query [13:39] that launches action for each and every element in plugins list [13:39] but then, takes last element from this item [13:40] and get the list which is an element of this latter list [13:40] and it's a comnbination of recursive query in RDF template [13:40] that I think is simply impossible [13:40] because what I would need [13:40] is ability to launch another rule from inside of [13:40] passing an ID of element to it [13:40] which I can't do [13:41] maybe it's just lack of experience with RDF, but I spent the last day decrypting it [13:41] and came to the conclusion that you can't do this without serious hacks [13:41] or maybe at all [13:41] zbraniecki: right. but keep it simple. lets look at: http://xionox.info/testmoz/ori.rdf [13:41] which is still syntactically broken btw ;) [13:41] yea, saw that [13:42] so single query can launch action on each plugins>li element [13:42] we can just filter out the updates/plugins thing in the datasource imo [13:42] but if you add getting updates>li to this query [13:42] so there are no multiple results [13:42] then it limits the result to the first li from plugins [13:42] for the same plugin [13:42] would that help? [13:42] I'm not sure if I follow [13:43] how do you want to do this? [13:44] so, basically, the advantage of doing it in JS, is that you can get a list of results and fire another function with an ID of a result as an argument [13:44] so you can get all plugins [13:44] then launch another function passing pluginID [13:44] get updates [13:44] and launch another function passing updateID [13:44] you can't do this in template queries as far as my knowledge goes [13:45] hmm. lets go down the tree from the top [13:45] on top level we have urn:mozilla:plugin-results:application/x-shockwave-flash [13:46] then there we have pfs:plugins -> Seq -> li [13:46] and from li we could get the individual attributes [13:46] so as long as we ignore updates we dont have a problem right? [13:48] right [13:49] can we get that list to render? if so, I dont think that its a big issue to deal with updates later [13:49] asac: yes [13:49] but we cannot ignore updates [13:50] zbraniecki: true. but those are a different use case i guess. [13:50] I'm not sure, but I think that they are part of the system. if we ignore them now, and then we'll find out they're important we'l have to rework the whole system because we can't add them to templates [13:50] another reason is that only updates store the ID to the attributes [13:50] :( [13:51] I'm not sure how could you build an ID of attribute list from plugins->li itself [13:52] hmm [13:52] does ref="*" work? [13:52] http://xionox.info/testmoz/test3.xul [13:58] XioNoX: that doesnt work locally for me [13:58] for whatever reason [13:59] it is the lastest working version [13:59] yes. but if i wget the .rdf and the .xul it doesnt work here ;) [14:00] i get it from gandalf computer [14:00] why ? [14:00] i dont know [14:00] i have both files in the same directory [14:01] XioNoX: does it work for you locally? [14:02] nop [14:02] so only on webserver? [14:03] we have make tryout only with webserver [14:05] ok ... let me fix my webserver then [14:05] I can give you an ftp acces to mine if you want [14:10] works here [14:11] ok [14:11] darn [14:11] oh come on... again bug that firefox is not showing "add exception" in serbian language... [14:12] XioNoX: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/pfs_xionox/test3.xul [14:12] the translator for serbian said it was a glitch in his translating program... and now it happened again [14:12] thats what works here [14:12] zbraniecki: so whats the problem i dont see atm? [14:12] we can have two rules: 1st: with updates and 2nd. if there is no update [14:14] Jazzva: tell him to use launchpad :) [14:14] hehe :) [14:15] asac: yes [14:16] zbraniecki: so am i right if there is no update then there is no pfs:updates element? [14:18] another point is that we can't put something else than a url in : [14:18] asac: dunna [14:18] the same for the .rdf [14:18] asac: I don't know how the RDF is created [14:18] and what it means [14:25] it think that the rdf is generated by the python script, and he return all the plugin available for 1 mimetype that we send === _jetsaredim is now known as jetsaredim [14:29] XioNoX: yes. i actually wrote the backend. but i didnt really consider the updates use case when doing that [14:33] XioNoX: ok here is what we need i presume ;) [14:33] THUNDERBIRD_3_0a2_BUILD1 [14:35] asac: what's the reason for which you're against switching to JS right now? [14:36] the bad things about JS is that its hardy maintainable [14:36] zbraniecki: because its a mess [14:36] constructing xul in JS is a problem [14:37] XioNoX: ok i found the way [14:37] here: [14:37] asac: so why can't you use JS to get RDF to JS datasource and tie it to template? [14:37] http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/pfs_xionox/test3.xul [14:38] zbraniecki: you want to write a "bridge" datasource? [14:38] in JS? [14:38] yea [14:38] i think as long as we can directly process the datasource we get from net we should go for it. [14:38] i dont see that its undoable. if it really is I'd be all for building a bridge [14:38] create a JS datastructure out of RDF [14:38] ok [14:39] XioNoX: the problem with the "we can only use URLs" is in fact "we can only use valid xml namespaces" [14:39] so we had to define one [14:39] ok [14:39] rdf:about="urn:mozilla:plugin:flash [14:39] that works now [14:40] i've see [14:40] zbraniecki: how do we query the js datastructure? if its really clean we can consider to do that right now [14:40] i thought you want to implement our own RDFDatasource in JS which would map the results in the same format. [14:43] you mean RDF->JS or JS->template? [14:44] zbraniecki: JS to template (unless JS is a RDFDatasource implementation :)) [14:47] :// [14:47] http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XUL:Template_Guide:XML_Templates [14:47] ? [14:49] zbraniecki: thats XML not JS ;) [14:53] yea, but you can easily create XML from JS [14:55] well. you can also transfor RDF to easy-rdf then. [14:55] but ok i see what you mean [15:02] so, what is the best way to get flash/plugins informations ? [15:03] we can't jsut use the exactly same system as extentions ? [15:05] XioNoX: I still would say that you just use rdf template and point it to the proper datasource URI [15:05] XioNoX: we have sorted out almost all issues from what i can tell [15:05] ok [15:05] so you basically just display the name, title and such information in a richlistboxitem [15:06] but how will i included the rdf template into the extensions manager ? [15:06] and for the action you use an alert for now [15:06] XioNoX: you have the missingPlugins datastructure now, right? [15:06] because everything that is around is JS [15:06] and already well integrated [15:06] XioNoX: i dont understand what you mean by "everything is JS" [15:07] i didnt expect you to write C++ code ;) [15:07] maybe it would be easier :D [15:09] XioNoX: btw, if you look at the extensions.js most Javascript deals with contructing templates manually [15:09] i dont think that thats easier [15:10] we could do that if we need to [15:10] in just don"t see how I can integrate this XUL template in the .js file [15:10] but as long as we can prevent doing that we should keep our javascript code portion as small as possible [15:10] or in the xul [15:10] XioNoX: what do you have now? [15:10] ? [15:10] i think you added code that opens the plugins view [15:11] that code currently shows the currente extensions pane [15:11] we now want our own pane that just renders the xul template [15:11] yep [15:11] yep [15:11] thats easy ... isnt it? [15:11] and yep [15:11] i mean you can develop your .xul template outside of all of this [15:11] sayd like that yes [15:12] XioNoX: look at where the current code inserts all the difficult stuff for the extensions [15:12] and replace that with a simple function that inserts our xul template there [15:12] is start at function showView(aView) [15:14] so i'll have to remove all the inside of : case "get-plugins": [15:14] and just put something ton include my XUL ? [15:14] XioNoX: id suggest that you do your own "createRule" function [15:14] and use that in updateView instead of the current one [15:15] the bigger one [15:15] i don't get it [15:15] XioNoX: whats the problem? [15:15] create rule create a part or the XUL template [15:15] alone it is useless [15:16] asac: so the sparc sigbus looks like its a regression, as i'm not able to have it on 1.9 [15:16] XioNoX: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30296/ [15:16] XioNoX: updateView creates the comoplete template from that snippet [15:16] so its not useless ;) [15:17] you can write your own "updateViewSpecial" :) [15:17] if that helps [15:17] XioNoX: id suggest that you do your own "createRule" function [15:17] i was talking about that [15:18] ah [15:18] i just want to give you ideas ;) [15:18] if i tell you exactly what to do i can do it on my own :) [15:18] sure [15:19] but now i don't realy understand how i could do it [15:19] because if i create my own updateView, i'll have to use javascript to display the RDF7 [15:20] (the RDF) [15:20] XioNoX: why? [15:20] updateView is in JS [15:20] XioNoX: yeah [15:20] of course you have to do something in RDF [15:20] ;) [15:20] err in JS [15:20] i know [15:21] but you sayd that JS->template was too complicate ? [15:21] no ? [15:22] err [15:22] i think you mixed something up ;) [15:22] you dont need to parse the RDF result [15:22]