[00:01] <ompaul> nickrud, have a small brown bread with cream cheese and jelly, just the one mind you :)
[00:01] <ompaul> I will now go away and sleep
[00:01] <ompaul> cheers all
[00:01] <nickrud> ompaul, now that was cruel. I am at work, and my fridge is empty.
[01:38]  * Hobbsee raises eyebrows
[01:38] <Hobbsee> smallfoot tried *again*?
[01:39] <nalioth> oh yes
[01:42] <Hobbsee> did he try #freenode too?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> i thought he'd figured out that he had no chance the first time, or something.
[02:38] <Flannel> Hobbsee: When mom says no... go ask dad.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:10] <Pici> I was just reading the scrollback too.
[04:03] <Myrtti> funky
[04:11] <nalioth> town
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> crier
[04:21] <bazhang> LickGavle> WatchDragon: I cannot be allowed back into #linux... im way to cool for that so im evading :=)
[04:21] <Myrtti> meh
[04:35] <nickrud> !latest
[04:35] <bazhang> compiling gparted? o,0
[04:36] <nickrud> for a learning exercise it's excessive ;)
[04:36] <Flannel> nickrud: thank you... Ive been looking for that factoid for two weeks at least
[04:36] <bazhang> :)
[04:36] <nickrud> !nonono
[04:37] <bazhang> !phail
[04:37] <nickrud> hm, used to have the factoid database linked in, wonder why it's not anymore
[06:59] <jussi01> grrr, hate this: http://imagebin.ca/view/jC0jwZmy.html
[07:00] <nickrud> jussi01 are we going to be able to search the bot database again some time? I think I remember you saying something about resources ...
[07:01] <jussi01> nickrud: what do you mean search the bot database?
[07:01] <jussi01> !me
[07:01] <jussi01> nickrud: you can...
[07:01] <nickrud> ah, the old link is missing from this:
[07:01] <nickrud> !nonon
[07:01] <Flannel> jussi01: Ever fix my DB entry? (I already know the answer)
[07:01] <nickrud> !flannel
[07:01] <Flannel> nudge nudge ;)
[07:02] <Flannel> nickrud: Not factoid
[07:02] <Flannel> @btlogin
[07:02] <jussi01> Flannel: you are evil and dont deserve that capability
[07:02] <nickrud> hahahahahaha, you're still a nooboodYY!
[07:02] <Flannel> jussi01: sounds good.  Means I don't have to clear my bans, and can plead ignorance when people ask me to unban them
[07:03] <jussi01> rofl
[07:03] <nickrud> just poke jussi01, I'm sure he'd be glad to handle your bans
[07:03]  * jussi01 delegates it to nickrud
[07:03] <nickrud> luckily I'm not paid, and can do the old pfffpt ;P
[07:04] <jussi01> Flannel: please try now
[07:04] <nickrud> only thing worse than managing employees is managing volunteers
[07:04] <Flannel> @btlogin
[07:04] <jussi01> :D
[07:04] <Flannel> yay
[07:05]  * Hobbsee wonders who wants to deal with smallfoot, then.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> seeing as he excelled himself last night.
[07:05] <jussi01> Hobbsee: care to enlighten me what the situation is?
[07:05] <StevenK> How a woman who can add glines, that might help.
[07:05] <Flannel> Hobbsee: He was doing it in here today too, twice, and almost word for word.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> jussi01: have a look at the logs.  it's...pretty priceless.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Flannel: yeah, i think my last night was your today.
[07:06] <Flannel> Hobbsee: I don't believe you! lalalalalalalalallalalala
[07:06] <Hobbsee> or, something
[07:07] <Flannel> jussi01: don't be confused when you read the same conversation with him in here four hours apart.  It really did happen.
[07:07] <jussi01> yay for fun - which tz he in anyone know?
[07:08] <jussi01> Hobbsee: Ill take a shot at talking to him - someone ping me if he drops by
[07:09] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i doubt it'll owkr.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> jussi01: besides, nalio*th gave him a good going over yesterdya
[07:10] <jussi01> Hobbsee: Meh - Im always up for a challenge.
[07:12] <bazhang> had a good hour-long chat with he of the diminutive sandal and in the end he decided to just stay in #cooking and #defocus; was surprised that the showed up here after all that.
[07:16] <jussi01> roight... just got through that... what a genius....
[07:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:17] <bazhang> pasted some text from ubuntu-motu where he was /me hugs nickname to show how nice and helpful he was.
[07:18] <bazhang> I counter-pasted with @banlog material and he had nothing left to say at that point.
[07:22] <bazhang> considering that envy components are entering linux-restricted-modules, the *new* envyng factoid seems a bit over the top in terms of how well it does (or in this case doesn't)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> i was just thinking about that.
[07:53] <jussi01> bazhang: is this that daniel2 guy?
[07:53] <bazhang> jussi01, aye
[07:54] <jussi01> bazhang: It may work with wubi, but Ive never done it so I dont know
[07:54] <bazhang> he claims to have done it in three minutes via daemon tools
[08:06] <bazhang> oops 8 minutes :)
[08:06] <Flannel> bazhang: Whats the problem?
[08:07] <bazhang> Flannel, some fishy story from daniel 2
[08:08] <Flannel> He's probably looking for attention (or is being honest).  Just ignore him (and keep an eye on him)
[08:35] <jpds> To who might like it: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irssi-plugin-otr/0.2-1~hardy1
[08:36] <jussi01> meh, irssi... :P
[08:40] <bazhang> wow; two minutes stop watching #ubuntu and bedlam breaks out
[08:41] <jussi01> rofl
[08:41] <jpds> bazhang: Just op yourself before you go. That way they'll still think you're there.
[08:42] <bazhang>  jpds :0
[08:44] <Flannel> that way you come back to a bunch of queries
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> jpds: Uh, so if I have -backports enabled, and am using the primary archive, why can't my apt see the package?
[08:45] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Appears the binaries have built, but still have to move to the archive.
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> jpds: They appear on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/irssi-plugin-otr/
[08:46] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: Have you updated your package cache? how do you know its not seen? apt-cache policy show anything funky?
[08:46] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Odd.
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: yes, ran apt-get update.  apt-cache policy doesn't show it existing.
[08:46] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Although there are no ~hardy1 .deb's.
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> nor apt-cache search
[08:47] <Flannel> 2.1~hardy1 is the package we're looking for?
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> jpds: oh, doh
[08:47] <Flannel> er, 2-1~hardy1
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> good eye
[08:48] <Flannel> bazhang: *buntu is ubuntu
[08:48] <jpds> Guess we have to wait a little bit more then.
[08:49] <bazhang> Flannel, sorry not sure what you are referring to.
[08:51] <bazhang> is pikeshouse doing an audit? :)
[09:44] <Flannel> bazhang: yeah, not sure about that bot.
[09:45] <bazhang> Flannel, I seem to remember it was okay now.
[09:48] <Flannel> Yeah.  Or at least, unofficially. 2008/06/02 at 14:24
[09:48] <bazhang> right; the higher-ups chatted with afterdeath (bot's owner) and seemingly cleared it
[09:49] <Flannel> Right.  at 14:24 on the second of six
[09:49] <bazhang> hehe
[09:59] <smallfoot-> Help, I am banned from #ubuntu+1 channel :(
[09:59] <smallfoot-> I need goto that channel, because my Ubuntu has problem, the graphics run in crap mode, and its not good graphics
[10:00] <smallfoot-> Please, unban me, so I can get help how install Nvidia proprietary device driver
[10:00] <smallfoot-> i cant put my screen resolution up
[10:00] <Flannel> smallfoot-: Which Ubuntu version are you using?
[10:00] <smallfoot-> 8.10a3
[10:00] <gnomefreak> this seems like 3rd day in row you  have asked to be unbanned
[10:00] <Tm_T> smallfoot-: also, why you are banned there?
[10:00] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: indeed it is
[10:01] <bazhang> he was talking about his ban in -ot
[10:01] <smallfoot-> i think because i informed people that i had made a channel called #ubuntu-social
[10:01] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: dont run 8.10 with nvidia drivers
[10:01] <Flannel> smallfoot-: If you need to know how to install nvidia drivers, alpha software is probably not for you
[10:01] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: you need some knowledge of how xorg.conf is formatted
[10:01] <smallfoot-> gnomefreak, i usually put the nvidia drivers with jockey, but it dont let me
[10:01] <bazhang> asked to come here; then after much ado started spamming all #ubuntu channels with that club of his
[10:01] <gnomefreak> Flannel: its not that its a conflict in xorg.conf
[10:01] <smallfoot-> gnomefreak, i know xorg.conf
[10:01] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: have you read the entire chatlog?
[10:02] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: not well enough if your asking
[10:02] <Tm_T> bazhang: aww, that, hrr
[10:02] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: for?
[10:02] <smallfoot-> bazhang, not all channels, and it was not spam, it was nice invitation to a community benefiting service
[10:02] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yesterday.  with smallfoot- in it.
[10:02] <gnomefreak> nope not yesterdays i just passed by it
[10:02] <smallfoot-> Hobbsee, its not too late to the right thing
[10:03] <gnomefreak> ah yes he is the channel guy
[10:03] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: after your performance yesterday, i'm not prepared to unban you for *at least* a week.
[10:03] <gnomefreak> i do think i read that yesterday
[10:03] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: learn xorg.conf than fix it
[10:03] <smallfoot-> gnomefreak, well they stole my channel from me
[10:03] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: please leave - you're wasting your breath.
[10:03] <Tm_T> smallfoot-: yup, it's not too late to do the right thing, for you atleast
[10:03] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: good
[10:03] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: you were not following the rules of freenode
[10:03] <bazhang> smallfoot-, what about your cloak?
[10:03] <smallfoot-> gnomefreak, i know how to change the "Driver" from "nv" to "nvidia", but the drivers are not installed
[10:03] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: you'll only be unbanned if you actually prove you've learned your lesson.
[10:04] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: no tthe driver the whole file
[10:04] <smallfoot-> Tm_T, what i can do? im bammed, ic ant do anytthing
[10:04] <gnomefreak> not the driver
[10:04] <Tm_T> smallfoot-: learn your lesson?
[10:04] <smallfoot-> bazhang, what about it?
[10:04] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: you can think about how you should have behaved.
[10:04] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: you nee to re write the file
[10:04] <bazhang> smallfoot-, your actions contravene freenode rules quite clearly
[10:04] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: go learn it than fix it, please stop asking to be unbanned for a week.
[10:05] <smallfoot-> if i am banned, thats no problem, but now my ubuntu is broken, so i need unban
[10:05] <gnomefreak> bazhang: its 5am could you please use smaller words until i run out get coffee and make it :(
[10:05] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: reinstall 8.04
[10:05]  * Hobbsee suggests everyone ignores smallfoot-, as he's been given his solution, so there is nothing left to do.
[10:05] <gnomefreak> that is the help you will get for it
[10:05] <bazhang> smallfoot-, please part now; come back in a week to ten days from now.
[10:05] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: eh he can be handled easy see Tm_T
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: <3
[10:06] <smallfoot-> ok, well i will find another ubuntu channel where you is not the boss
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: (please)
[10:06] <smallfoot-> and they will help
[10:06] <smallfoot-> i dont need you
[10:06] <bazhang> bye smallfoot-
[10:06] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: bye then.
[10:06] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: that isnt gonna hppen
[10:06] <gnomefreak> we run 98% of them
[10:06] <smallfoot-> Hobbsee, my ubuntu dont work, i cant get help, because you banned me, its your fault my ubuntu is broken
[10:06] <bazhang> efnet has ubuntu channels iirc
[10:06] <gnomefreak> smallfoot-: i told you how to fix it.
[10:06] <Hobbsee> ha ha ha.
[10:06] <bazhang> he left
[10:06] <Flannel> Hobbsee: you broke his ubuntu!  you're so hurtful!
[10:07] <gnomefreak> moron
[10:07] <Hobbsee> zomg!
[10:07] <bazhang> moran
[10:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes.  clearly you haven't read his chatlog from yesterday.
[10:07] <gnomefreak> just for record you need to run nvidia-config to fix it :)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: apparently the fact that i have boobs is the only reason i have ops.
[10:07] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i read it
[10:07] <gnomefreak> nalioth: laid into him
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i don't suppose you can enforce his week long ban by force, please?
[10:07] <gnomefreak> i was here the whole time ;)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i guess you can't go harsher than 'moron' in a logged channel.  pity.
[10:08] <bazhang> heh
[10:08] <gnomefreak> well i very well can
[10:08] <Flannel> Hobbsee: theres a plain correlation there.  obviously.
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  #ubuntu-se...is where?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> but eh dealing with CC over that isnt worth my time
[10:08] <Flannel> Sweden
[10:08] <gnomefreak> central america
[10:08] <Myrtti> you sure?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> is it/?
[10:09] <Flannel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.se
[10:09]  * Hobbsee wonders if he's up to no good there too
[10:09] <bazhang> sweden, central america
[10:09] <Myrtti> Nafallo: ^
[10:09] <gnomefreak> we should all join :)
[10:09] <gnomefreak> scare him
[10:09] <Flannel> bazhang: theyre practically the same place
[10:09] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: well, i just did.  join, that is
[10:09] <bazhang> now part of NAFTA!
[10:09] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: who are the ops speak to one of them
[10:10] <Myrtti> Nafallo is one
[10:10]  * Hobbsee --> dinner
[10:10] <gnomefreak> ah good :)
[10:11] <Myrtti> sweden... central america... where the heck did you get that from
[10:11] <gnomefreak> hes yelling harrasment just because our nicks are there
[10:11]  * bazhang goes to look
[10:11] <Flannel> gnomefreak: /me hopes -se is logged
[10:11] <Flannel> hmmm
[10:11] <gnomefreak> it is
[10:12] <gnomefreak> Flannel: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode
[10:12] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I'm already there.
[10:12] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:12] <Flannel> By golly... he's speaking what I can only assume is swedish.
[10:13] <gnomefreak> is bra a word?
[10:14] <Myrtti> javisst
[10:14] <gnomefreak> bra and boobs kind of well are way too close to call it chance
[10:14] <gnomefreak> javisst means nothing to me
[10:14] <jussi01> brå is a word iirc
[10:14] <Myrtti> you are thinking in English
[10:14] <Myrtti> bra = good
[10:14] <bazhang> barnvakter?
[10:15] <Flannel> Hooray for false cognates?
[10:15] <gnomefreak> he left out not folowing the COC
[10:15] <bazhang> senses a kb coming
[10:15] <Myrtti> if you don't understand what he is saying, then leave the channel
[10:16] <Flannel> gnomefreak: well, boobs and ops are practically the same word.  You cut one in half and flip it over... its an *obvious* cause/effect relationship.  duh.
[10:16] <gnomefreak> please remind him of that in swedish or i will be forced to find a swedish dictionary and look it up
[10:16] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:16] <Myrtti> a tad childish though
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: notice im not ther eto cause trouble
[10:16] <gnomefreak> if it was i would have said something
[10:16]  * gnomefreak just watching
[10:17] <bazhang> same here
[10:17] <Myrtti> still
[10:17] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: not right this second im working on tbird breakage
[10:18] <gnomefreak> for local system until archive admins push the proposed fix
[10:18] <bazhang> for him to claim victimhood after yesterday is beyond me
[10:18] <Flannel> can we send factoids to people here?
[10:18] <gnomefreak> Flannel: yes
[10:18] <Flannel> bazhang: It still doesn't mean we need to provoke him
[10:18] <Myrtti> why not?
[10:18] <Flannel> !away > gardar`away
[10:19] <Flannel> gnomefreak: thanks
[10:19] <gnomefreak> Flannel: !bleh > Flannel
[10:19] <Myrtti> Flannel: exactly
[10:19] <bazhang> Flannel, joining is not provoking
[10:19] <Myrtti> haha
[10:19] <Myrtti> sure it is
[10:19] <Flannel> bazhang: You really don't have much business in said channel.
[10:19] <bazhang> Flannel, seeing if he will misbehave is more like it
[10:19] <Flannel> bazhang: -se has its own ops, let them worry about it.
[10:19] <Myrtti> and it's not your business to be watching if he misbehaves
[10:19] <Myrtti> since you don't have ops there
[10:19] <gnomefreak> cant we join any channel we like?
[10:19] <bazhang> Flannel, remind me; did you spend an hour with him in PM yesterday?
[10:19] <Myrtti> sure
[10:20] <Myrtti> but it's just provoking him
[10:20] <gnomefreak> im not a core dev but im in #uuntu-devel
[10:20] <bazhang> Flannel, I did.
[10:20] <Flannel> bazhang: Its the equivalent of sitting +o for no good reason, has a chilling effect, against freenode policy, etc.
[10:20] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i did nothing of the sort
[10:20] <Flannel> bazhang: I did.  He said he was going to fix it.  I'll see if he replies about it.
[10:20] <Myrtti> joining -se and you not even understanding / speaking swedish can sure be interpreted as provoking
[10:20] <Myrtti> ah, nvm
[10:20] <Flannel> gnomefreak: You didn't join -devel just to "watch" someone though.
[10:20] <bazhang> Flannel, afaik I can join any channel at any time.
[10:21] <Myrtti> tis 30'c here and I stink.
[10:21] <gnomefreak> Flannel: not jsut one person no and im not there watching him
[10:21] <gnomefreak> Flannel: im there
[10:21] <gnomefreak> Flannel: im an op in #ubuntu-de and im not dutch
[10:21] <Flannel> gnomefreak: german?
[10:21] <jussi01> gnomefreak: de is german...
[10:21] <jussi01> lol
[10:21] <gnomefreak> Flannel: see what i mean ;)
[10:22] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[10:23] <Flannel> bazhang: Thats not the point.  Yes, you *can*, but one could argue you're breaking the CoC by joining at this particular moment, probably for the sole purpose of watching him to hold it against him.
[10:23] <Myrtti> it's also called stalking...
[10:23] <bazhang> a chilling effect on someone who is lashing out at everyone? plz.
[10:23]  * Myrtti shivers
[10:24] <Flannel> bazhang: Just because someone has misbehaved doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated decently.  Discipline and ridicule are two, very different things.
[10:25] <bazhang> Flannel, talking with him for an hour this time, and similarly on two other occasions is treating someone decently.
[10:25] <bazhang> Flannel, when they continue be abusive however, that is another matter.
[10:25] <Myrtti> and how does joining #ubuntu-se add up to this?
[10:25] <bazhang> Flannel, feel free to charge me with coc violations
[10:25] <Myrtti> it's not our job to be watching all the #ubuntu channels
[10:26] <jussi01> +1 Myrtti
[10:26] <gnomefreak> and for the record i was helping him with his nvidia issue, i told him how to fix it sort of i only said come back in a week
[10:26] <Myrtti> the channels have their own ops
[10:27]  * gnomefreak not claiming to be an op in there, nor have i said anythign in there but i was pinged in there
[10:27] <Myrtti> but if you don't have ops there, and don't understand the language, what the hell are you doing there then except stalking and provoking?
[10:28] <Myrtti> pardon moi if this sounds harsh
[10:28] <Myrtti> but if he acts nice in -se, as he has so far, then there's no point?
[10:29] <bazhang> what was harsh is what he said to hobb-see earlier; joining is so far from provoking that it is not worth mentioning.
[10:29] <Myrtti> the only problem he's having is that he cannot understand why he wasn't allowed to start #ubuntu-channel
[10:29] <bazhang> not so.
[10:29] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: feel free to tell him his nvidia issue fix. first what card is it if a 5xxx card he needs -173 and he needs to run nvidia-config and restart it should fix his issue
[10:29] <Myrtti> ...
[10:30] <bazhang> the problem, which dates back several months is he cannot follow channel rules.
[10:30] <bazhang> he has been PM'ed extensively to no avail.
[10:30] <jussi01> bazhang: but its still not your issue in -se?
[10:30] <gnomefreak> its either nvidia-config or nvidia config
[10:30] <gnomefreak> cant remember but either way that will fix his issue
[10:31] <bazhang> so he is the victim here?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> problem is he doesnt know xorg.conf enough to be running 8.10
[10:31] <bazhang> that was a fast turnaround
[10:31] <bazhang> reminds me of some other situation, cant recall now
[10:32] <Flannel> bazhang: No ones saying he's done nothing wrong, but what he's done has no relevance to his activity in -se
[10:32] <gnomefreak> also he was banned from #ubuntu but i never saw him try to join #ubuntu+1 (not sure if he is banned there or not)
[10:32] <Myrtti> stalking like that is considered rude - not only by smallfoot- but the -se OPS
[10:32] <Myrtti> I've been on IRC too long
[10:32] <bazhang> he is banned in +1 afaik
[10:32]  * Myrtti goes to have a cold shower
[10:33] <bazhang> banned in #u only yesterday (not by moi)
[10:33] <bazhang> in -ot many months
[10:33] <gnomefreak> oh and im in pm with him helping him
[10:34] <bazhang> Flannel, no, quite the opposite; he has done very wrong and still refuses to listen to reason. he is saying he will find a channel where he can do what he wants in #ubuntu channels without rules
[10:36] <Myrtti> well, all the channels have rules - and ops
[10:36] <Flannel> bazhang: #ubuntu-se has rules.  We don't have jurisdiction there, this is a moot point.
[10:36] <Myrtti> and it's the channels own ops job to see that the rules are followed
[10:36] <Myrtti> not ours, as Flannel said
[10:36] <bazhang> Flannel, charging me with stalking is not necessary, or violating the coc.
[10:36] <jpds> Flannel: I think we do, as it's in the #*ubuntu* namespace.
[10:37] <Flannel> bazhang: I don't believe I ever said anything regarding stalking.  Nor did I say you were violating the CoC
[10:37] <Flannel> jpds: No, LoCo teams are autonomous
[10:37] <bazhang> Flannel, the 'one could argue' statement seems to have said just that. upthread ^^
[10:38] <Flannel> bazhang: Why are you worried anyway?  If he's cronically as bad as he has been in here the past few days, he'll be banned from -se in no time anyway.
[10:38] <gnomefreak> jpds: flannel is right however we have every right to be in any channel we feel like it at anytime (unless banned) and since noone said anything in the channel that was off color why cant we hang out there
[10:39] <Flannel> bazhang: I mentioned that it could be construed as a violation.  I didnt accuse anyone of anything.
[10:39] <bazhang> Flannel, you saying that one could argue I am violating the coc when that is not the case, particularly after all the time and effort I have spent with smallfoot and in light of his behaviour towards hobb-see yesterday.
[10:39] <Flannel> bazhang: But regardless, Do you want to be known as an op who pushes peoples buttons?  We're here to enforce rules, not to make people break them.
[10:40] <Flannel> s/make people/encourage people to/
[10:42] <bazhang> Flannel, if you consider me as such a one, then that is your affair; I try to help out as best as I can. the presumptive arguments about coc violations were overboard imo
[10:43] <Flannel> bazhang: You can't seriously cite private discussions as reasons I should know that you're not simply provoking him.
[10:46] <bazhang> Flannel, I recall having a PM with eleph some weeks back; you felt I was wrong to ban him, so I PM'd him. I do so to mediate not provoke.
[10:46] <Flannel> bazhang: I apologise for not being omniscient.
[10:47] <Flannel> Anyway, task at hand: AlmightyCthulhu in #ubuntu.  Can't tell if his ban here is the same guy or not
[10:47] <bazhang> turns out he was rather ban-worthy after all.
[10:48] <bazhang> its baron1984 iirc
[10:48] <Flannel> Looks like its the same IP and everything
[10:48] <bazhang> definitely ban fodder :)
[10:49] <Flannel> It was a month ago though.  We probably ought to unban him here and have a chat with him
[10:50]  * Flannel is still reading logs, so don't hold me to that.
[10:50] <bazhang> I always clear my ban list in a day or two (if I remember) :)
[10:51] <Flannel> Even if its only to keep S/N in #ubuntu, although he's quieted down it looks like
[10:53] <bazhang> always need limcore around though
[10:53] <gnomefreak> what is the key combo to change virtual desktops in compiz aand/or out
[10:53]  * gnomefreak was asked by smallfoot and i cant remember to save my life
[10:53] <Flannel> Hah.  Actually... his nick was originally baron1984.  Definately same guy.
[10:53] <bazhang> ctrol alt left mouse?
[10:53] <Flannel> gnomefreak: ctrl-alt-leftarrow?
[10:54] <gnomefreak> thats it thanks
[10:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: he was in +1, has been so for a few days, and has also spammed it.  you may want to look at logs before speaking.
[10:55]  * bazhang hugs Flannel 
[10:55] <gnomefreak> huh? i said that he never asked about being unbanned from +1
[10:55] <bazhang> got to go to work :(
[10:55] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:55] <Flannel> bazhang: Have fun! :)
[10:56]  * Flannel has no idea what bazhang does.  Perhaps fun isn't appropriate.
[10:56]  * Hobbsee shakes her head at -se
[10:56] <gnomefreak> incoming
[10:57] <gnomefreak> banned in #ubuntuforums
[10:57] <gnomefreak> almighty.....
[10:57] <Flannel> by Vorian no less.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: [19:32] <gnomefreak> also he was banned from #ubuntu but i never saw him try to join #ubuntu+1 (not sure if he is banned there or not)
[10:58] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: but i think i misread slightly, sorry
[10:58] <gnomefreak> i meant ask about it
[10:58] <gnomefreak> sorry i mixed up words
[11:02]  * Hobbsee is just stunned at people who don't learn, and then others who appear to be defending them.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> you know, i'm getting really bored of limcore's continual trolls in -bugs and such.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> and even in #ubuntu
[11:08] <Hobbsee> looks like he's moving to -quality now too.
[11:10]  * jpds installs "mc" and gets: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30251/ - at the end of the dpkg run.
[11:11] <gnomefreak> ah yes i remmeber scrollkeeper errors
[11:12] <gnomefreak> that was a1 though
[11:12] <gnomefreak> atleast for intrepid
[11:12] <jpds> Hmm, I prefer using tree, ls and mv, cp for files.
[11:16] <Hobbsee> jpds: yeah, i fail to see hwo that's not a good enough solution, particularly for a desktop
[11:35] <Myrtti> hello moo_cow
[11:37]  * Tm_T hails the newcomers
[11:38]  * Flannel believes moo_cow is forwarded from #ubuntu, and has been logging in/idling on and off for at least a week now.
[11:39] <Myrtti> 13:38 @,- 25 - #ubuntu: ban *!*@208-117-11-160.block5.gvtc.com!#ubuntu-ops  [by ikonia!n=mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia, 781773 secs ago]
[11:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:39] <Tm_T> should I proceed?
[11:40] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[11:40] <Myrtti> hrm
[11:40] <soundray> msnbot just left #u with a profane quit message
[11:40] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I unfrotunately can't much follow ubuntu channels but as long as I see when it happens, he'll stay out
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i meant from here, but okay
[11:42] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ah, I see, I was rescuing a cat so didn't follow
[11:43] <Myrtti> FINE. I'm not banning him.
[11:43]  * Myrtti raises her fist
[11:45] <Hobbsee> ?
[11:45] <Myrtti> not banforwarding msnbot here since my brain doesn't cowork with irssi
[12:11] <aozturk> how can I fix this: http://pastebin.ca/1082461
[12:12] <Seeker`> aozturk: This isn't a support channel
[12:12] <Myrtti> aozturk: ubottu is a bot
[12:37] <ikonia> Tm_T: that ban was on a bot that had a pretty nasty exploit link
[12:39] <ikonia> Hmmm @btlogin has stopped woroking, has someone reset the database ?
[12:39] <Pici> @btlogin
[12:39] <Pici> wfm
[12:39] <Tm_T> ikonia: what ban?
[12:39] <ikonia> hmm
[12:39] <ikonia> btlogin
[12:39] <ikonia> @btlogin
[12:40] <ikonia> Tm_T: it was Myrtti talking about it, not you, sorry
[12:40] <ikonia> @login
[12:40] <ikonia> @whoami
[12:40] <Tm_T> ikonia: hm
[12:42] <ikonia> jussi01: you around ?
[12:42] <Tm_T> ikonia: I think he went to summerhome or such
[12:42] <ikonia> ah
[12:43] <ikonia> who's looking after the bot at the moment
[12:44] <Tm_T> no idea
[12:45] <Mez> jussi01, afaik
[12:45] <Pici> maybe its jussio1
[12:46] <ikonia> think I've figured out why it's not working
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hatred?  insanity?
[12:47] <ikonia> nah, it looks like there is a more granular security section been added to the bot/updated that I've been missed on
[12:51]  * Myrtti yawns
[13:02]  * Tm_T hugs Mez 
[13:02]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti too
[13:02] <Mez> w00
[13:02]  * Mez shoves a sock in Myrtti's mouth
[13:02] <Tm_T> tab revenges
[13:04]  * Myrtti pulls a sock from her mouth, puts it on
[13:04] <Tm_T> Myrtti: matching pairs?
[13:05] <Myrtti> I've got plenty of socks from the same source
[13:05]  * Mez chuckles
[13:05] <Mez> she didnt steal any at LRL though
[13:06] <Myrtti> we should've swapped the blue t-shirts
[13:06] <Mez> nooos
[13:07] <Mez> mine was cooler
[13:07] <Mez> twas KDE
[13:07] <Myrtti> mine was GUADEC!
[13:07] <Mez> KDE!
[13:07] <Myrtti> GNOME!
[13:07] <Mez> ssh
[13:07] <Myrtti> ssssshhhh to yourself
[13:07] <Myrtti> besides, xfce ftw
[13:08] <Mez> :P
[13:08]  * Mez needs a shower
[13:10] <Tm_T> Mez: and I need KDE shirt :(
[13:10] <Mez> Tm_T, poke sealne
[13:11] <Tm_T> or hug, rather
[13:11] <Myrtti> I'll be getting a debian ladyfit ♥
[13:11] <Tm_T> I leave poking for Myrtti and ms Hobbs
[13:11] <Mez> :O
[13:11] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I wanted Ubuntu ladyfit for myself
[13:12] <Tm_T> Myrtti: but someone said strict NO for it, so... :(
[13:13] <Myrtti> why ladyfit?
[13:13] <Tm_T> because I have those figures?
[13:13] <Tm_T> except shoulders but meh
[13:13] <Myrtti> lolz
[13:13] <Myrtti> yeah, right.
[13:13] <Myrtti> :-P
[13:13]  * Mez goes to buy boxes
[13:25] <Dave2> .wion 111
[13:25] <Dave2> ...
[13:27] <Tm_T> heh
[13:27] <Myrtti> .fail Dave2
[13:27] <Dave2> always :(
[13:31] <Tm_T> Mez: hug me?
[13:59] <Pici> hrm.
[14:06] <Pici> :/ people resigning.
[14:07] <jpds> Pici: Where?
[14:07] <Pici> jpds: motu-sru.
[14:08] <Pici> jpds: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004269.html  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004273.html
[14:08] <Pici> :(
[14:11] <jpds> Yes, it took me some time to tell Launchpad that I wanted to add bug #251760 to "hardy-backports" and not the "dovecot" project.
[14:30] <jussio1> anyone know how to scroll on putty on n95?
[14:31] <jussio1> Myrtti: ?
[14:31] <Tm_T> jussio1: Myrtti is in town
[14:32] <jussio1> :(
[14:36] <Mez> Tm_T, sorry, was away buying boxes... I may have overdone it
[14:39] <Tm_T> buying boxes for...
[14:40] <Dave2> to put othesr, smaller boxes in
[14:40] <Dave2> other, oto
[14:40]  * Dave2 gives up.
[15:05] <Tm_T> heh
[15:05] <Tm_T> Mez: so, now that you are back from shopping boxes, can I get a hug from you?
[15:09]  * Mez hugs and plugs in 1TB HDD
[15:12] <jussi01_> Is mibbit not allowed in -ot?
[15:14] <jussi01_> brb, sauna time
[15:17] <Tm_T> Mez: thank you son
[15:25] <Tm_T> ok, I cannot follow #u atm so someone feel free ;)
[15:30] <bazhang> :)
[15:39] <Pici> bleh....
[15:45] <Mez> ok, so maybe packing all my books in one box wasnt a good idea
[15:45] <Tm_T> :p
[15:46] <bazhang> I wish my books fit into a single box :)
[15:46] <jussi01_> Mez: are you moving?
[15:46] <Mez> yep
[15:47] <Tm_T> bazhang: I wish I had books
[15:47] <Mez> bazhang, it's a rather large box
[15:47] <jussi01_> Mez: where?
[15:47] <bazhang> Tm_T, haha
[15:47] <Mez> back up to birmingham]
[15:47] <bazhang> Mez, I would need at least a fridge box :)
[15:47] <Mez> bazhang, about half that size
[15:47] <Mez> but I sold a lot of my books
[15:48] <bazhang> Mez, that is still a lot of books
[15:48] <Mez> bazhang, indeed
[15:48] <bazhang> here though one tends to hang onto english language books as there is not any barnes and nobles etc
[15:48]  * Mez worked out how many books he's bought in the last 10 months as 72
[15:48] <bazhang> wow
[15:49] <bazhang> !envy > bazhang
[15:49] <Mez> there was a cheap bookstore next to where i had to renew my bus pass
[15:49] <jussi01_> hrm, was I just ban evading?? hrm...
[15:50] <Tm_T> hrrrr
[15:50] <jussi01_> Im connected via mibbit, but Identified... mibbit is banned in -offtopic...
[15:50] <Pici> I didn't think that cloaks would override mibbit
[15:51] <jussi01_> Pici: weird, cause it lets me in now
[15:51] <jussi01_> when it didnt before
[15:54] <Pici> I'm trying to ask about it in #freenode, but its full of trolls right now and they'res no one knowledgable around
[15:55] <jussi01_> ahh
[15:55] <jussi01_> Pici: can you check for certain mibbit is banned in there, and not just the random ip I was given?
[15:57] <Pici> jussi01_: Its banned
[15:58] <jussi01_> Pici: ok, well my host definately overides it
[15:58] <jussi01_> cause Im in there now
[15:59] <Pici> Mine too
[15:59] <Pici> thats me on mibbit
[15:59] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  ZarroBoogs
[16:00] <Pici> :)
[16:00] <bazhang> yikes!
[16:00] <Pici> jussi01_: Looks like project cloaks override mibbit, but not unaffiliated ones.
[16:01] <Pici> I think.
[16:02] <jussi01_> Pici: ahh, ok
[16:02] <Pici> I never realized it either.
[16:03] <jussi01_> interesting though
[16:17] <Pici> hrm
[17:28] <jussi01> @admin capability add
[17:28] <jussi01> @admin capability add ikonia bantracker
[17:28] <jussi01> ikonia: there you are
[17:32] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/archives/142
[17:35] <Pici> !ping
[17:38] <ikonia> jussi01: stdin sorted me, thanks
[17:38] <ikonia> jussi01: appriciated
[17:39] <jussi01> ikonia: oh, oops :D
[17:39] <ikonia> he he
[19:30] <orgthingy> umm, why where i redirected to here :P ?
[19:32] <jussi01> err, Pici?
[19:32] <jussi01> @btlogin
[19:34] <jussi01> orgthingy: I cant tell at the moment, you will need towait till Pici comes along
[19:34] <orgthingy> ah, i was redirected from #ubuntu-offtopic :S
[19:34] <orgthingy> man
[19:35] <orgthingy> ompaul: do u know why :S ?
[19:35] <jussi01> orgthingy: Ahh, I see now, you had a rather not nice quit message
[19:35] <jussi01> [19:39:50] <-- orgthingy (n=eloxoph-@79-71-253-134.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has quit ("PIZZA TIME! FUCK IRC! IM IN HOLIDAYS FFS")
[19:36] <orgthingy> jussi01: but it
[19:36] <jussi01> !language | orgthingy
[19:36] <orgthingy> it's a QUIT message?
[19:36] <Myrtti> orgthingy: so?
[19:36] <orgthingy> i didnt say it in the channel
[19:36] <Myrtti> yes you did
[19:36] <jussi01> orgthingy: it appears in channel
[19:36] <ompaul> orgthingy, and where to quit messages get sent?
[19:37] <ompaul> orgthingy, when you surf close to the shore you can expect to be landed now and again
[19:39] <orgthingy> hmm
[19:39] <orgthingy> so
[19:39] <ompaul> @btlogin
[19:39] <orgthingy> i should leave the channel so it wont have the dirty quit message?
[19:40] <Myrtti> should you change your quit message?
[19:40] <Pici> Or change the message.
[19:40] <ompaul> perhaps you have not had enough time to change your mind about how to behave in a ubuntu* and in fact in public on a freenode server
[19:41] <ompaul> after all it is offensive to others to put up with you doing that
[19:41] <ompaul> should we really allow you inflict that on them again?
[19:41] <ompaul> or risk you doing that
[19:41]  * ompaul wonders for a while
[19:44] <orgthingy> offensive?
[19:44] <orgthingy> hmm
[19:44] <ompaul> orgthingy, you don't seem to be a volunteer for the ok I got enough common sense and can go along with that, you seem to be more in the "how far can I push the boat out" club
[19:45] <orgthingy> ompaul: excuse me?
[19:45] <ompaul> orgthingy, and what is funny, that is my impression of your behaviour
[19:45] <ompaul> you ain't convinced me otherwise
[19:45] <orgthingy> I helped many in ubuntu channels, and reported bugs and suggestions to ubuntu team
[19:45] <orgthingy> and i get banned for quit message?
[19:45] <Myrtti> orgthingy: offensive is offensive
[19:45] <ompaul> what is your karma
[19:45] <stdin> providing support does not excuse you from any rules
[19:46] <orgthingy> Myrtti: well, what he just said is offensive to me
[19:46] <orgthingy> "you don't seem to be a volunteer"
[19:46] <stdin> in fact, the more you help the more we expect you to abide by the rules as you *should* know better
[19:46] <Pici> orgthingy: If you had used that language in channel you would have gotten a warning from me, but since it was a quit message the only option I have is a banforward.
[19:47] <orgthingy> well, here I am, forwarded
[19:47] <PriceChild> Evening all.
[19:48]  * Myrtti huggles PriceChild 
[19:48] <Pici> orgthingy: So I request that you change the quit message.
[19:48] <orgthingy> Pici: I did
[19:48] <Myrtti> jolly good
[19:48] <PriceChild> orgthingy: #ubuntu caters for many types of people, and we don't want to prevent anyone's access. We ask everyone stays polite and respectful, refraining from bad language. If you have changed the message then good. We can move on.
[19:48] <Pici> orgthingy: Good, I think there was confusion around that point.
[19:49] <orgthingy> :)
[19:49] <Pici> let me get rid of that forward then
[19:49] <Pici> All set.
[19:49] <ompaul> orgthingy, there was no comma in there, where you put the " read it again and maybe you can see what I was saying I can take this to pm so we can stop bothering the planet so you don't have a misunderstanding of what I was saying
[19:50] <ompaul> orgthingy, I may have been overly complex in my statement
[19:50]  * ompaul actually thinks ompaul was complex
[19:50]  * ompaul says no more
[19:51] <Pici> orgthingy: Anything else we can help you with?
[19:52] <orgthingy> Pici: no, thanks :)
[19:52] <Pici> orgthingy: May I call your attention to the /topic, specifically about idling then? :)
[19:53]  * orgthingy reads the topic
[19:53] <orgthingy> oh :(
[19:53] <orgthingy> ok, bye
[19:53] <Pici> :)
[19:57] <jussi01> PriceChild: could I confirm you received my message?
[20:01] <PriceChild> jussi01: confirmed
[20:01] <jussi01> PriceChild: thansk :D
[20:06]  * Myrtti wants to throw a tantrum
[20:06] <Myrtti> too hot!
[20:09]  * PriceChild throws a Myrtti and hopes that is sufficient
[20:09] <Myrtti> meh
[20:09] <Myrtti> my t-shirt is soaking wet
[20:09] <Myrtti> I'm too Nordic for this weather
[20:10] <jussi01> lol
[20:10] <jussi01> Myrtti: it isnt even hot anymore
[20:10]  * jussi01 opens Myrtti's window
[20:10] <Myrtti> jussi01: you think my windows weren't open?
[20:11] <Myrtti> and yes, I do know it's not hot anymore
[20:11] <jussi01> Myrtti: so take a cool shower, and things will be all nice again
[20:11] <Flannel> Myrtti: run through the sprinklers
[20:11] <jussi01> rofl
[20:11] <Myrtti> was shopping earlier and had the (un)fortunate chance to come home with the first bus after the Flower Weeks Parade
[20:11] <Dave2> heat--;
[20:12] <jussi01> Myrtti: so...
[20:12] <Myrtti> it was FULL
[20:12] <Myrtti> no air conditioning
[20:12] <Myrtti> having shopping bags with
[20:13] <jussi01> Hahahahah
[20:13] <Myrtti> oh, and I had just eaten at Pizza Rax.
[20:13] <Myrtti> MULTIFAIL.
[20:13]  * Dave2 pats the air conditioned buses to/from work
[20:13] <PriceChild> Dave2: air conditioned busses?!
[20:13] <Dave2> with wi-fi on board
[20:14] <PriceChild> now you're taking the mick
[20:14] <Flannel> and making stuff up too.
[20:14] <Dave2> http://www.gogoldline.co.uk/thamesvalleybusinesspark.php4
[20:14] <Dave2> (oh, I forgot to mention they're free.)
[20:15] <jussi01> Dave2: shh
[20:15] <Myrtti> Dave2: ... goats.
[20:15] <jussi01> Myrtti: rax!?? epic fail!!!
[20:15] <PriceChild> Its a friday btw!!! wooo
[20:15] <Dave2> Myrtti, nope, no goats on the buses :(
[20:15] <Flannel> Are the requirements for getting bots hostmasks the same as regular people?
[20:15] <Dave2> http://www.buszone.co.uk/002b021006.JPG # TVP buses.
[20:16] <jussi01> Flannel: yep
[20:17] <jussi01> Flannel: though not for ubuntu cloaks
[20:17] <Flannel> jussi01: I've gotta have an alternate nick already?
[20:17] <jussi01> yes
[20:17] <jussi01> Flannel: and linked etc
[20:17]  * Flannel wonders if he can have an alternate nick in six weeks.
[20:17] <jussi01> Flannel: huh?
[20:18] <Flannel> jussi01: The nick we really want for our bot is taken (was used for six days in June).  So I've gotta wait to snag that one.  I'd prefer not to have three nicks (two right now for mask, plus the 'real' one once it times out)
[20:18] <Dave2> so ungroup it when you get the other one?
[20:19] <jussi01> Flannel: can you not drop one when the time comes?
[20:19] <jussi01> hehe
[20:20]  * Flannel didn't think you could unregister nicks.
[20:20] <ompaul> Flannel, you can do lots with nicks
[20:21] <jussi01> Flannel: the new system rocks :D
[20:23] <Myrtti> meh
[20:24] <ompaul> jussi01, it does fail now and again :)
[20:25] <jussi01> ompaul: meh, it still rocks
[20:25] <ompaul> rocking fail :)
[20:25] <ompaul> it is an improvement in areas
[20:25]  * jpds is still waiting for something like /ns set mlock.
[20:26] <Dave2> buh?
[20:26] <ompaul> but it enforces settings that may not make sense and kludged some old privs in the process
[20:26] <ompaul> so therefore we get fail
[20:27] <ompaul> there are improvements and these are noted also
[20:27] <ompaul> however kludging old privs to some random scheme is a bit like hardcoding icons into a gnome app
[20:28] <ompaul> so let me rephrase
[20:28] <ompaul> HARD CODED VALUES ARE FAIL!
[20:28] <ompaul> meh
[20:28] <ompaul> jussi01, can you dismiss that one?
[20:29] <jussi01> ompaul: yep.... MEH!!!!!
[20:29] <ompaul> jussi01, you may say that, but I would not ;-)
[20:30] <jussi01> oops, IM trolling... :P
[20:30] <jussi01> :P:P
[20:30] <ompaul> jussi01, ehhhhhh perhaps, but you just looked silly from here ;-)
[20:30]  * ompaul runs
[20:31] <jussi01> ompaul: ypou should.... :P
[20:32]  * Myrtti hugs ompaul, jussi01 
[20:33] <ompaul> hiya Myrtti
[20:34] <ompaul> back later
[21:04]  * Myrtti yawns
[21:05] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:10] <Myrtti> FYI: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001474.html
[21:29] <PriceChild> !ubottu > masteredu_
[22:04] <Tm_T> harhar
[22:07] <Myrtti> nini folks