[01:51] <ryanakca> Volans: At the meeting, it was flash that was ruled out for the feature tour? D'you know where I could find logs of the meeting?
[02:18] <Volans> ryanakca: Hi, the logs are here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/22/%23ubuntu-website.html search for "-- BEGIN MEETING --"
[02:18] <Volans> we don't want flash
[02:19] <Volans> because the standard ubuntu installation have no flash
[02:19] <Volans> iirc
[02:21] <ryanakca> Volans: thanks
[10:38] <mase_slapt> dooby_doo
[14:59] <Volans> Hi mase_slapt, is your the email on the list with the homepage/buldscript subject?
[14:59] <mase_slapt>  yar
[14:59] <mase_slapt> tis
[15:00] <mase_slapt> i also wanted to bcc you but i couldn't work out who you were
[15:00] <mase_slapt> cc rather
[15:00] <Volans> ok, I was not sure... :) for more clarification call it the Start Page because the homepage can be confused with the ubuntu.com homepage
[15:00] <mase_slapt> k, it originally started as build script
[15:00] <Volans> I'm on the list and you can find all my contacts in LP ~volans
[15:01] <mase_slapt> yeh i couldn't remember your nick, i knew it started with V
[15:01] <Volans> no problem
[15:01] <mase_slapt> =)
[15:01] <mase_slapt> anyhoo
[15:01] <mase_slapt> was there anything that came from it
[15:01] <mase_slapt> ?
[15:02] <Volans> I have proposed to matt and after sent that proposal also to mdke of the Doc Team, and now I'm waiting for the reply
[15:02] <Volans> I don't have already sent it to the list because I want to know if the Doc Team agree...
[15:02] <mase_slapt> ah k. So what was the proposal in the end ?
[15:02] <mase_slapt> LP ?
[15:03] <Volans> LP = launchpad site
[15:03] <mase_slapt> yeh
[15:04] <Volans> in two words my proposal is:
[15:04] <Volans> create a project on LP that will have the code of the "master" start page (html+css+js+images) + manage the translations through LP with PO files, add to the project files also a python script that will output two folders, one for online and another for offline pages with the required structure in the two different contest. The offline part will be included in the ubuntu-docs package that now doesn't have the code on LP (mdke upload the tar.gz
[15:07] <Volans> mase_slapt: what do you think about?
[15:07] <mase_slapt> yeh i think thats really good
[15:08] <Volans> becuse now the translation are made manually because LP doesn't accept HTML files and the translation are made directly in the html files...
[15:08] <mase_slapt> yeh i know i was working on them
[15:09] <mase_slapt> was doing it with xslt till i realised that the source files would get trashed for next update
[15:09] <mase_slapt> hence the converstation with newz2000 the previous night
[15:09] <mase_slapt> and thats when he talked to you about the LP translation thing
[15:09] <Volans> now the doc team create the text, that create the offline version of the Start Page, you can found it in /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/
[15:10] <newz2000> hi
[15:10] <mase_slapt> evening
[15:10] <Volans> hi newz2000
[15:13] <Volans> newz2000: when you have 5 minutes I have a couple of question about the bug 247616 related to the Dell page...
[15:13] <ubot3> Malone bug 247616 in ubuntu-website "ubuntu.com/dell has broken links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247616
[15:13] <newz2000> ah yes, I saw that one come through
[15:13] <newz2000> give me two min
[15:16] <newz2000> ok Volans, go for it
[15:16] <Volans> ok, in particular what is the policy and the agreements with Dell for that page... I don't know if the links have to link the general Dell Ubuntu page or the specific page for the single computer
[15:17] <newz2000> I don't know either unfortunately.
[15:17] <newz2000> I might need to assign this one to the guy in charge of Dell
[15:18] <Volans> ok, probably is the best solution... now the USA section link to the general page for each single product
[15:18] <newz2000> actually, that bug may be wrong
[15:18] <newz2000> yeah
[15:19] <newz2000> I think that they're meeting with some of the Dell guys during oscon so someone might have fixed this in preparation
[15:19] <Volans> ok
[15:30] <mase_slapt> i just want them to release the 12.1" eslim
[15:31] <newz2000> I haven't seen that one yet
[15:31] <mase_slapt> was on engadget  a while back
[15:31] <mase_slapt> i need a new laptop, my ibook diesd
[15:31] <mase_slapt> died*
[15:31] <newz2000> but I will say that I like the 13" xps far better than the 12" latitude 630
[15:31] <mase_slapt> how heavy is the xps
[15:31] <mase_slapt> ?
[15:32] <newz2000> just a little over 3lbs iirc
[15:32] <mase_slapt> yeh i am looking for sub 1.7kg
[15:32] <newz2000> it would be right in that range
[15:32] <newz2000> that one by IBM is very cool, but too $$$
[15:38] <vbabiy> I have the xps m1530 which is bigger but a very nice machine
[15:49] <mase_slapt> the x200 ?
[15:49] <mase_slapt> i tried to get it in aus
[15:49] <mase_slapt> but so far no one will sell it
[15:49] <mase_slapt> lame..
[15:50] <newz2000> I was thinking x300
[15:50] <newz2000> lenovo not ibm. I keep forgetting.
[15:51] <newz2000> same dimensions as the macbook air but only ships with the SSD making it quite pricey
[15:52] <Volans> In Italy dell does not sell the ubuntu computers... it's a shame
[15:54] <pep> belgium neither :(
[15:54] <pep> but a guy from my loco phoned the UK service and they said they'd deliver to belgium
[15:55] <pep> so maybe you can give that a try...
[15:55] <pep> The Dell UK online support told me today that they ship their Ubuntu
[15:55] <pep> > stuff to Belgium if you order by phone.
[15:55] <pep> that was it...
[15:56] <newz2000> :-) Brush up your french Volans
[15:56] <Volans> LOL, but good workaround
[15:56] <mase_slapt> they don't sell them in aus either
[15:57] <mase_slapt> i tried very hard to  get one
[15:57] <Volans> newz2000: I have no problem with french :)
[15:57] <mase_slapt> i dont understand why, is my money not as good as an americans ?
[15:57] <pep> I bought an MSI M670 X without OS, and ubuntu runs fine
[15:58] <Volans> mase_slapt: perhaps your money is on the contrary for Dell :)
[15:58] <mase_slapt> yeh
[15:59] <mase_slapt> its just annoying though
[15:59] <mase_slapt> the thing is i know like, 8 people who just want to get a Linux laptop
[15:59] <mase_slapt> it shouldn't be this hard
[16:00] <Volans> I have an asus laptop and I don't know if I will buy a dell in the future... if I can buy an empty laptop (without preinstalled OS) will be great
[16:06] <mase_slapt> was contemplating getting an msi wind
[16:06] <mase_slapt> but not sure if its just a bit too small to program with
[16:23] <mase_slapt> night all
[16:23] <Volans> night mase_slapt
[17:07] <newz2000> Volans: mdke replied
[17:08]  * Volans looks, I have some problem with gmail today
[17:08] <newz2000> let me reply first though
[17:08] <newz2000> I'm going to bring up a point about the text being too long.
[17:08] <Volans> yes, take also in mind that exist html2po iirc
[17:09] <Volans> but I never used it
[17:09] <newz2000> I didn't know about that
[17:09] <Volans> http://linux.die.net/man/1/html2po
[17:11] <Volans> and newz2000 if we change text only the english version should be extracted from the html, so also manually is not a long work
[17:12] <newz2000> maybe, but if we shorten the text we may also have to rewrite it
[17:12] <Volans> sure, so changing text we don't have anymore the extracting problem
[17:23] <Volans> newz2000: about the mdke reply, about the point to make a standalone package what do you think?
[17:25] <newz2000> I think it makes sense
[17:25] <newz2000> let me ask ubuntu release manager
[17:25] <Volans> ok
[17:32] <Volans> in the meanwhile I try with the html2po
[17:33] <newz2000> ok. steve is processing the request. :-)
[17:39] <Volans> newz2000: the offline page is very simple and quite all the content is text, the program seems to work fine, I have just opened the po file with poedit
[17:39] <newz2000> oh, cool
[17:39] <Volans> there are also the link in the text
[17:39] <Volans> that need some attention
[17:40] <newz2000> I'm curious how that will work
[17:40] <Volans> just an example, in a field of poedit I have:
[17:40] <Volans> You can also obtain   <a href=\"http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/paidsupport\">commercial support</a>.
[17:40] <Volans> if you want to try just:
[17:40] <Volans> sudo apt-get install translate-toolkit poedit
[17:41] <Volans> then:
[17:41] <Volans> html2po -i /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html -o /tmp/testindex.po
[17:42] <Volans> and open it with PoEdit (I have it in the Applications -> Programming menu)
[17:42] <Volans> I never managed po files, so maybe something is wrong and I can't realize it... but seems to work :)
[17:43] <newz2000> I've never done it either, I will peek at it momentarily
[17:44] <Volans> was my friend of the doc team Milo that tell me about html2po, really
[17:44] <newz2000> Volans: what do we need to do to get this into a more formal testing stage?
[17:45] <Volans> for the standalone poject or standalone package solution?
[17:45] <newz2000> well, steve is unfomfortable with creating a new package
[17:46] <newz2000> so lets start by saying "improving the infrastucture of creating translations of this content for use on the start page and offline start page"
[17:46] <Volans> so a project from wich mdke can bring the start page and put it into the ubuntu-docs package?
[17:46] <newz2000> yes, if the distro team feels that's the best way
[17:47] <Volans> ok, in this case I think just create a new project on Launchpad and add the right people to the code and translation section
[17:48] <newz2000> that sounds like a good plan
[17:48] <newz2000> do you want to do it or do you want me to?
[17:48] <Volans> I can do it if you prefer and after change the driver to you
[17:49] <newz2000> Volans: should we make the driver be a team?
[17:49] <newz2000> can we do that?
[17:49] <Volans> let me check
[17:50] <newz2000> we may want to make such a team for just the start page
[17:50] <Volans> sure
[17:50] <Volans> Project owner, it can either a valid Person or Team             inside Launchpad context.
[17:51] <Volans> driver: This person or team will be able to set feature goals for and approve bug targeting or backporting for ANY major series in this project. You might want to leave this blank and just appoint a team for each specific series, rather than having one project team that does it all.
[17:51] <newz2000> would you make a team then?
[17:52] <Volans> a team can be useful for LP features
[17:53] <Volans> you want that I create also a team for that?
[17:53] <newz2000> I'm in new territory here too. :-)
[17:54] <Volans> LOL, I have some LP-project and LP-team experience
[17:55] <Volans> go to the needs... what that team should do?
[17:55] <Volans> because the translations can be assigned to another team, the Doc Team for example
[17:56] <Volans> and the start page team should have the right to upload branches
[17:56] <newz2000> lets start with one team for everything at the moemnt
[17:56] <Volans> ok
[17:56] <Volans> ubuntu-start-page can be a good short name for both project and team names?
[17:57] <newz2000> yeah
[17:57] <Volans> Subscription policy: 'Moderated' means all subscriptions must be approved. 'Open' means any user can join without approval. 'Restricted' means new members can be added only by a team administrator.
[17:58] <newz2000> if we're going to allow branch upload should we make this subscription based?
[17:58] <newz2000> I mean approval based
[17:59] <Volans> ok, so moderated (can always be changed)
[18:03] <Volans> newz2000: team created I have added you as a moderator, feel free to change the very quick and small description I have made and other settings
[18:04] <newz2000> thanks Volans
[18:05] <Volans> newz2000: for the project I have to tell LP what is the license
[18:05] <Volans>     Select the license(s) under which you release your project.
[18:05] <newz2000> we can wait on that
[18:05] <newz2000> I'm not sure what it is
[18:06] <newz2000> ﻿lets wait for mdke's response to our email and then if he's approving we'll announce the project to the web presence team and doc team
[18:06] <newz2000> this project is getting bigger and bigger
[18:06] <Volans> yeah :) because LP says:      Launchpad.net is free to use for software projects that share     their source code and comply with these            licensing policies.
[18:06] <Volans>     Contact us     if your project uses a proprietary license.
[18:07] <Volans> so I can't create the project without a free license... but I can change it after
[18:07] <newz2000> ok, I keep tryign to go to launchpad and it gives me a pop-up error
[18:07] <newz2000> so I can't see anything
[18:08] <Volans> what error?
[18:08] <newz2000> assertion error about the search?
[18:09] <Volans> don't really understand... but try to empty cache and LP cookies
[18:10] <Volans> maybe the recent upgrade have something that conflict with old cookies?
[18:11] <Volans> newz2000: I can put "Public Domain" license at the moment and after, before we upload any file, we can change it into the definitive one?
[18:13] <newz2000> no, not public domain
[18:14] <Volans> but now there aren't files... so public domain applies to nothing ;)
[18:14] <newz2000> oh, ok
[18:14] <newz2000> good point
[18:15] <Volans> and is sure that we can change it to whatever we want, no change license issues
[18:15] <newz2000> yeah, I'm sure of that
[18:15] <newz2000> this didn't used to be a required problem
[18:16] <Volans> ok, so I go for it with public domain at the moment, just remember to change that before upload files
[18:16] <newz2000> yes
[18:16] <newz2000> my error was because I installed a ff update and hand't restarted the browser. :-P
[18:18] <Volans> lol
[18:24] <Volans> newz2000: I can  Select the translation group that will be responsible for translations in           Ubuntu Start Page,
[18:25] <Volans> I have a drop down menu
[18:25] <newz2000> ok, mdke just replied and he's in support but wants us to notify the doc team first
[18:26] <Volans> I have read just now
[18:27] <Volans> I think that for the paragraphs the doc team can continue to produce the texts, we can just tell they how the page will look and how many text we need
[18:27] <Volans> or you prefer to manage the whole page?
[18:27] <Volans> for the LP selection there are only two items in the menu that make sense: Ubuntu Translators and The Translation Project Group But I leave empty for the moment
[18:28] <newz2000> I think we should create strings to be translated and ask them to translate them. The start page team will decide the layout and content.
[18:28] <Volans> ok, so is better to ask the doc team for that as mdke suggest
[18:29] <Volans> all done, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page
[18:29] <Volans> and the team is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-start-page
[18:30] <Volans> for the team I can change the owner to you or any other people or team, just ask me
[18:30] <newz2000> ok
[18:36] <vbabiy> Hey guys  this is off topic, do any one know of any good python podcast?
[18:37] <newz2000> not I
[18:38] <vbabiy> I really like the django one, but I was hoping for something more generic
[18:38] <Volans> vbabiy: podcast for a particular python topic or to learn python?
[18:38] <vbabiy> Volans: anything that has to do with Python, but not the 411 one
[18:38] <vbabiy> I have tried that one
[18:38] <Volans> ah sorry... a python-coded podcast software
[18:38] <Volans> I have misunderstood
[18:39] <Volans> no, I don't know
[18:39] <newz2000> :-)
[18:39] <vbabiy> Any know enough about python to start one :), I can be the first listener :D
[18:41] <newz2000> creating a podcast is quite easy
[18:41] <newz2000> Its just an rss feed with a few extra fields
[18:44] <vbabiy> You forgot a major part the content.
[18:45] <newz2000> I wrote the software that these guys use: http://www.christchurchofthecarolinas.org/Archived_Audios.Audios_for_Podcasting?rss=1
[18:45] <newz2000> but its php
[18:46] <newz2000> you can view source on that page and see how it looks. Its quite easy though.
[18:47] <vbabiy> newz2000: yeah django, has a not framework for rss
[18:47] <newz2000> vbabiy: yes it does
[18:47] <vbabiy> that has been my play ground lately
[18:47] <newz2000> http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/syndication_feeds/
[18:48] <newz2000> but even if you don't have a framework doing it for you it's not hard. Just create a template and change the content type in your response object to xml
[18:48] <newz2000> copy and paste the source of the one I listed above and use it as your template if you like
[18:50] <Volans> newz2000: perhaps you received my reply to you and mdke? I have some problem with gmail today
[18:51] <newz2000> yep, it came through
[18:51] <Volans> ok thanks
[18:52] <Volans> ryanakca: are you there?
[18:54] <ryanakca> Volans: for a few minutes, I'm about to go cut the lawn, how can I help you? :)
[18:54] <Volans> I have a suggestion for the long page bug
[18:55]  * ryanakca listens carefully
[18:55] <Volans> try to change height:2048px; to height:100%; in the js file (it appears to time), with firebug on firefox seems to work
[18:56] <Volans> s/to time/two times/
[18:56] <Volans> line 155 and 162
[18:56] <Volans> be careful and try also with old browsers
[18:56] <Volans> is an hard coded limit
[18:56] <Volans> I don't know if there is for a particular reason
[18:57] <ryanakca> Volans: ok, thanks, I'll test on my testsite first :)
[18:57] <Volans> ok :) let me know
[18:57]  * ryanakca nods, upstream doesn't seem to respond to emails, so I guess we're on our own...
[19:00] <Volans> ryanakca: see http://pastebin.com/d4f46629a for a diff :)
[19:01] <ryanakca> seems to work in Konqueror, mind testing the gnome browsers for me?
[19:02] <Volans> I can test... have you a public url?
[19:02] <ryanakca> Bummer that the discussion will most likely be split on ubuntu-website and kubuntu-devel :/
[19:02] <Volans> if you need I have also a windows VM with all browsers
[19:02] <ryanakca> oooh, brillian
[19:02] <ryanakca> s/$/t/g
[19:27] <Volans> finally seems to work :)
[19:36] <Volans> Now I have to go... see you later
[20:33]  * Volans back
[21:44] <ryanakca> newz2000: can you run bzr up on the server? (theme)
[21:45] <newz2000> ryanakca: I have read only access
[21:45]  * ryanakca nods, I guess it'll have to wait 'till Monday morning :)
[21:46] <Volans> you can try with US based sysadmins like lamont ;)
[21:46] <newz2000> lamont leaves at 3:00 my time, it's 3:45
[21:47] <newz2000> but yu can try, there is a tendancy to work late
[21:55] <Volans> newz2000: so now we have to wait that mdke asks the doc team and to decide the final license?
[21:55] <newz2000> no, I'll send a message to the docteam about it. Regarding license I need to talk to gerry and canonical folks.
[21:56] <Volans> ok, so I stay tuned
[21:56] <newz2000> sorry for delays. :-/ I need to clone myself.
[21:56] <Volans> no problem, just apt-get install cloner
[21:56] <Volans> ;)
[21:58] <ryanakca> or ``dd if=/dev/newz2000 of=/dev/clone1''
[21:58] <Volans> right!
[21:58] <newz2000> I think there might be federal regulations about that
[21:59] <Volans> just do before `mv newz2000 dolly` and go for it
[22:29] <Volans> newz2000: I'm updating the meetings wiki page, can I put at the bottom the minutes of the past meeting from your email?
[22:29] <newz2000> yes, sure
[22:34] <Volans> I can delete the attending section for the past meeting or leave the schema?
[22:36] <newz2000> you can delete it
[22:40] <Volans> done
[22:47]  * Volans away for a while...