[00:03] * JontheEchidna tries plasma on windows [00:03] but first I have to download it :( [00:03] btw, Konversation >> mIRC [00:04] I can't believe I used to use this junk... [00:04] (Windows) [00:05] lol, apparently closing an unresponive file manager downs the entire desktop [00:06] why would you even put a file manager and a desktop in the same process? [00:10] Riddell, Nightrose: what current thread? [00:11] apachelogger: on the KDE eV list [00:11] about Nuno not having KDE 4 set up despite doing a lot of artwork for it [00:11] I see [00:14] Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486595 [00:14] Debian bug 486595 in libavahi-qt3-1 "libavahi-qt3-1: Incorrect symbols file" [Serious,Closed] [00:15] Riddell: and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/245682 [00:15] Launchpad bug 245682 in avahi "Please merge avahi 0.6.23-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] [00:16] devfil_: excellent work sherlock [00:16] devfil_: so we need to grab the new avahi version from Debian [00:16] Riddell: uhm there is a new version of avahi that fixes other similar bugs [00:16] we should directly merge it I think [00:17] devfil_: looks like james_w has done a merge [00:18] Riddell: yes, but there is a new version [00:18] devfil_: 0.6.23-2? [00:18] yes [00:18] devfil_: fancy doing a merge with that? [00:19] 0.6.23-2 fixes a lot of similar bugs [00:19] we should ask james to redo is diff for the new version [00:20] devfil_: he's james_w on irc if you want to ask [00:20] ok, I hope he isn't away [00:22] 5 hours idle, probably asleep for the night [00:22] it's not a hard merge if you want to do it yourself [00:23] Riddell: hi prefer to ask [00:27] smarter: revised kdegraphics online [00:32] Riddell: he will do it tomorrow [00:40] devfil_: great === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato === Igorot is now known as acmeuser === acmeuser is now known as Igorot === ScottK is now known as ScottK2 === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [02:50] Heh, automoc is a fairly straightforward backport === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [02:55] apachelogger: sent automoc backport [03:22] apachelogger: sent phonon backport, that's it for me for tonight [03:23] apachelogger: oops, accidentally sent in automoc as ~ppa2 instead of ppa1 [03:24] * JontheEchidna assumes that you can just edit that [03:32] So how's everybody doing with intrepid? [03:34] what's intrepid? ;) [03:34] I'm a chicken (no offense meant), so I'm still in hardy :) [03:36] evening etc :) [03:36] * Jucato looks out the window, stares at the sun [03:36] yep, good evening [03:36] haha [03:36] happy day then! [03:37] whoa! [03:37] still some work to do on backports i see [03:37] i'll do my favorite: pim [03:39] lovely :) [07:20] * apachelogger just clashed into a doorframe [07:21] it's way too bright at this time of the day [07:21] ouch... [07:21] you ok? any serious injuries? [07:21] (other than pride, of course) [07:21] pride??? what is that??? Oo [07:22] over here, it's a brand of laundry soap :) [07:22] coool [07:23] * apachelogger notes that his head hurts like a bomb exploded, though that might as well be caused by the hangover, which is uberstrange since he didn't drink anything yesterday [07:27] Not that you remember anyway. [07:29] pfft :P [07:29] I do very well [07:29] I think [07:30] * apachelogger switched his wrist watch 3 times [07:30] and 3 times it had different time zones [07:30] That's the trick with not remembering. You can never remember you didn't. [07:30] ScottK: one can try reconstructing what happened [07:31] One can try. [07:31] One can also hope no one had a video camera to make it too easy to recontstruct. [07:32] ^_^ [07:33] OK. Security patches for 7 frigging different releases done and uploaded/attached to bugs. (Dapper/Feisty/Gutsy/Hardy/Intrepid/Etch/Sid for those playing along at home). [07:33] * ScottK is off to bed. [07:33] Good night. [07:33] nini ScottK [07:37] http://youtube.com/watch?v=bChYUhvoIYc [08:15] Riddell: all packages uploaded [08:15] * apachelogger continues testbuilding [08:40] JontheEchidna: btw, technically the 4.1.0 ppa builds are hardy0 [08:40] hardy1~ppa1 would be a ppa build of the hardy ubuntu-backport [09:07] apachelogger: uploaded where? [09:07] Riddell: batdirectory === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === hunger_t is now known as hunger [11:20] Riddell: kdelibs4c2a is still broken here: It depends on libavahi-qt3 which seems to have been replaced with libavahi-qt3-1. [11:20] * smarter confirms [11:20] * hunger wonders whether he is the only user who occasionally is cleaning out transitional packages. [11:21] it's always been libavahi-qt3-1, we need the new avahi to fix that bug [11:22] Oh, OK then. [11:23] Riddell: The libcupsys dependency is gone now by the way. A couple of gnome/general ubuntu stuff still keeps on the system, but nothing kubuntu specific anymore. [11:24] * hunger wonders how kdelibs4 was rebuild when there is no libavahi-qt3 around. [11:25] Well, I guess I'll never understand the secrets of you distro-guys;-) [11:25] hunger: difference between build-dependencies and dependencies :) [11:25] smarter: I had thought tools like lintian and such would catch that. [11:33] <_Sime_> is there a websvn for the kde 4.1 packages and debian dirs + patches? [11:33] hunger: lintian basically checks whether the package is following debian standards [11:34] _Sime_: no(t yet) [11:34] _Sime_: do you need anything specific? [11:35] <_Sime_> someone working on debian packages is having trouble and we've traced it to nepomuk. namely... === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [11:35] <_Sime_> resource.h from nepomuk uses QHash and requires a qHash() function somewhere [11:36] <_Sime_> qHash(QUrl) is defined in entitymanager.h, but this file is not part of the public api. [11:36] <_Sime_> and is not installed. [11:37] _Sime_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30525/ [11:37] <_Sime_> this problem shows up when building kdebindings, but you guys seem to have that working? [11:38] <_Sime_> nothing related to qHash or entitymanager.h? [11:39] nope [11:39] _Sime_: Maybe qHash(QURL.toString()) could be used? [11:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/30526/ the only patch we have in kdebindings [11:40] hello [11:40] got problems [11:40] <_Sime_> apachelogger: is nepomuk support actually being built in kdebindings? for pykde4? [11:41] kubuntu 8.0.4.1 with kde4 from ppa not booting after some latest updates, it sais "Starting up..." and it hangs right there [11:41] _Sime_: is it turned on by default? [11:41] <_Sime_> apachelogger: if is is found, then yes. [11:41] then it should be [11:41] <_Sime_> apachelogger: the cmake log should say [11:41] * apachelogger checks whether he has a log somehwere [11:42] well [11:42] -rw-r--r-- root/root 149592 2008-07-25 03:51 ./usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/nepomuk.so [11:42] _Sime_: it is in the package [11:42] so I suppose it is built ;-) [11:43] ubuntu: by booting you mean booting booting or the login kind of booting? === ubuntu is now known as DreadKnight [11:43] apachelogger: when the pc boots up [11:44] apachelogger: when i should get the kubuntu loading screen with the 'progress bar' [11:44] usually i get 'starting up' (black screen with text in upper left corner) for a second, but now it hangs there [11:45] hm [11:45] no good [11:45] i recall kicker, wine etc where updated... [11:45] DreadKnight: before that screen popups up there is either a boot manager dialog or a countdown [11:45] DreadKnight: they wouldn't cause such things [11:46] this can only happen at very low level [11:46] apachelogger: i'm listening [11:46] i.e. kernel or something [11:46] anyway [11:46] DreadKnight: at that countdown press esc [11:46] that hsould bring you to the manager [11:46] well, that 'update wave' along with those packages [11:46] there you can select some failsafe kind of startup [11:46] try that one and try upgrading again [11:46] i should try that [11:46] and [11:46] DreadKnight: #kubuntu or #ubuntu for that kind of problems please [11:48] apachelogger: ok thanks, brb.... [11:55] <_Sime_> apachelogger: this problem might also be related to the gcc version. 4.3 might be having problems. WHich gcc are you using? [11:55] apachelogger: worked by booting in older kernel [11:57] _Sime_: 4.3 [11:57] DreadKnight: cool === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [12:48] apachelogger: can you poke the neon build? i could use a new version to check something [12:51] Nightrose: poke eean it is still not building [12:51] JontheEchidna: did you testbuild kdelibs for hardy? [12:51] apachelogger: narf - ok === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [13:03] oh [13:03] I ran out of diskspace [13:03] :S [13:03] I hate when that happens [13:03] Buy more? [13:03] yeah [13:03] once SSDs are effortable [13:03] I find rm -rf /var/cache/pbuilder/ does wonders [13:03] omg [13:04] jpds: one does sudo pbuilder clean [13:04] and maybe apt-get clean in addition [13:04] but not rm -rf [13:04] * apachelogger shudders [13:05] hm [13:05] ok [13:05] 6gib should be enough for kdelibs [13:06] JontheEchidna: I testbuilt it [13:06] lool [13:06] apachelogger: yes, I testbuilt it [13:09] JontheEchidna: now that was schizophrenic pretty much :P [13:10] ya... [13:29] * smarter is bored [13:37] smarter: backport some 4.1 packages! [13:37] Riddell: I could do that, but I'm running intrepid-only now :p [13:37] smarter: chroots are a great thing [13:39] is there a secret page for backports too? :) [13:39] smarter: yes, linked from the original secret page [13:40] I'll give it a try === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi [14:17] * ryanakca wonders why meetings are always at the most inconvenient/impossible times [14:18] ryanakca: because i used to set them? :) [14:18] besides, the most inconvenienced one should be Jucato, which should be a help. [14:18] :D [14:18] and still I show up (mostly :P) [14:19] (as in, you no longer need to make things nice for australians) [14:20] heh, well, on Wednesday nights, it's impossible, on Saturdays, I just don't feel like getting up at 5/6 (depending on how DST works out). Oh well, I get to read the minutes [14:20] ryanakca: ask if it can be changed now. [14:20] you should be able to get a nicer timezone [14:25] ryanakca: I usually have to get up at 3 or 4 :) [14:25] for meetings I mean [14:26] (but then again, I'm not that essential to world domination plans :P) [14:27] Jucato: true, son [14:27] Jucato: hehe, lucky you :) *stops complaining* [14:29] apachelogger: I've made some changes to backport instructions [14:33] apachelogger: bah, bad idea, too difficult [14:39] * apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a stone [14:40] JontheEchidna: when I asked whether you built it I was talking about resonable builds in a clean chroot or clean installation [14:40] * apachelogger kicks aspell out and compiles kdelibs all over again [14:41] We really needs to use bzr more [14:41] oh righto [14:41] Riddell: what do you think about adding all the stuff to bzr? [14:42] all the stuff == kde4 packaging ;-) [14:42] Needs to update the backports? take the backport branch, merge with the not-backport branch, correct any conflict, and voilà [14:43] that is basically how I do it currently [14:44] just without bzr merging :P [14:44] though [14:44] smarter: what to do about the .install files? [14:44] new upstream version? dch -i && bzr bd (assuming there's a working debian/watch) and it will automagically download the new tarball and build everything [14:45] apachelogger: that's the annoying part :P [14:45] we should use git :P [14:45] I bet git has some solution for that [14:45] git has a solution for everything [14:45] git has solution for everything [14:45] haha :P [14:46] well, apparently we agree on that ;-) [14:46] you just need to know how to use the two hundreds commands, and have backup in case something goes wrong :P [14:47] unusable software IMO [14:47] or we could do a shell script which does something like dch -i "X-~hardy1~ppa1" && sed -i 's/usr/usr\/lib\/kde4/g' bla.dsc [14:47] smarter: still the package names differ [14:51] 'Provide a "Quick View" in the Tools menu, which uses the Previewer plasmoid. [14:51] geez, kde 4.1 is not even released that I want to switch to trunk again :P [14:52] (that's for dolphin ^) [14:54] apachelogger: another way to use vcs for backports: take the diff betwen release X and release Y, apply it to backport branch and dch -i [14:59] +1 [15:19] afternoon all [15:48] * apachelogger is confused [15:48] hey Arby [15:48] confused, why? [15:50] kde4libs depends on kdebase-runtime >= 4.1.0 [15:50] kdepimlibs can't build because kde4libs can't install because there ain't no kdebase-runtime >= 4.1.0 [15:50] kdebase-runtime depends on kdepimlibs so that one can't be built either [15:51] hooray for circular dependencies :) [15:52] apachelogger: what do we have that I can work on packaging? [15:53] ...yay [15:53] this is seriously sick [15:54] kdebase shouldn't be depending on kdepimlibs [15:54] righto [15:54] * apachelogger is currently trying without the pimlibs dep [15:54] wait, kde4libs depends on kdebase-runtime? kde4libs = kdelibs5? [15:54] apachelogger: kdelibs5 shouldn't depend on kdebase-runtime [15:55] tell me about it :S [15:55] other way around :/ [15:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/30576/ [15:55] our libs rules [15:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/30577/ [15:55] debians [15:59] Riddell: please upload https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/245682 while james_w works at the new merge [16:00] Launchpad bug 245682 in avahi "Please merge avahi 0.6.23-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] [16:01] this is way too weird [16:01] Riddell: what to do? [16:01] leave the version at 4.0.98? [16:03] apachelogger: is this hardy or intrepid? [16:03] in intrepid apt-cache show kdelibs5 doesn't show me a depends on kdebase-runtime [16:06] Riddell: hardy [16:06] though the rules are the same IIRC [16:12] hum [16:13] Riddell: apparently DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL doesn't work that welll in hardy [16:13] no trace of it in the buildlog [16:23] how can I add the kde4 ppa repo to my pbuilder? [16:27] either use the othermirror config and run update with --override-config [16:27] or sudo pbuilder login --save-after-exit [16:28] or was it --save-after-login [16:28] well something like that ;-) [16:29] ok ;) [16:54] * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna [16:55] So few updates today? Is there a ubuntu developer meeting or something? [16:55] maybe everything breakable is broken already ;-) [16:57] apachelogger: mail sent, kdeaccessibility done [16:57] apachelogger: am I right in thinking that bindings is a bit of a state right now? [17:00] * Arby does edu instead [17:01] Arby: well, Riddell should take a look at the not-yet-packaged .net files but other than that is is perfectly fine package :) [17:02] hmm, I got the impression from watching the channel that things were broken, obviously I'm mistaken [17:04] Arby: they were [17:05] all good now [17:05] oh, shiny [17:05] ok I'll do edu first since I've already downloaded then maybe bindings later [17:06] apachelogger: you wanted to know what a .dll.config file was or something? [17:06] apachelogger: I've not looked at qyoto since I made the initial package but chances are what it did is the right thing [17:06] I saw them in debian's debian [17:07] and the debian bindings is pretty ... incomplete [17:07] so I think you should take a look at the new qyoto/kimono files [17:07] I listed them all in debian/not-installed :) [17:27] afternoon [17:31] so i'm going to be reloading my laptop, how good/reliable is suspend in kde4 these days? [17:44] Hi, I was told that you would like the new avahi to make kdelibs installable. If so then I just put an updated debdiff on bug 245682 if a core dev would like to upload it. [17:44] Launchpad bug 245682 in avahi "Please merge avahi 0.6.23-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245682 [17:45] The sponsors are subscribed, so it will be done eventually, but I was given the impression that this was rather urgent, hence my visit. [18:00] apachelogger: pong [18:00] JontheEchidna: why does locale/all_languages not get installed? [18:00] apachelogger: it's in the not-installed list [18:01] indeedy [18:01] btw, about to send in kdetoys [18:03] ooh, need to bump standards version up first [18:07] apachelogger: sent [18:50] what does it mean if 'make -f debian/rules list-missing' reports missing files that aren't listed in debian/not-installed? [18:50] or more accurately what do I do about it? [18:50] specifically, -./usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/python-kig.xml in kdeedu [18:51] put it in the correct .install file [18:51] kig-kde4 install file in this case [18:51] (apt-file is a handy tool for the job) [18:52] thanks, I need to read the man page for apt-file then [18:53] apt-file search foo [18:53] foo = filename [18:59] * JontheEchidna testbuilds kdenetwork [19:35] yay [19:35] * apachelogger manged to ice his pbuilder [19:40] 36% [19:41] hmm, an estimated hour and 11 minutes left, then [19:41] not bad [20:06] apachelogger: bindings doesn't seem to like the dl_fix patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/30631/ [20:06] how do I get around that? [20:11] Arby: remove the patch [20:12] if you look at the patched file you will see that it got applied upstream ;-) [20:12] ah that would explain it then :) [20:12] sometimes I wish debuild gave more information [20:41] 89% [20:44] JontheEchidna: did you package kdebindings for 4.0.98? [20:44] it seems to be tripping over libsmoke [20:45] yup [20:45] in particular http://paste.ubuntu.com/30648/ [20:45] I commented smoke out, afaik [20:45] yes you did [20:45] but it still fails and I've no idea why [20:45] weird [20:46] I can delete the libsmokeqt4-2 dep altogether and it _still_ fails [20:46] which is flat out wierd [20:46] is the libsmoke binary package commented out in debian/control? [20:47] looking [20:47] yes it is [20:48] * JontheEchidna is puzzled [20:49] the complete control file is http://paste.ubuntu.com/30652/ [20:50] -DENABLE_SMOKESOPRANO=OFF is commented out in rules, not sure if that is relevant [20:51] funnily enough things sorta just worked for me [20:51] I had to do some tweaking to the deps, but I don't think I ran into anything like this [20:51] lucky you :) [20:52] maybe apachelogger can help? He did the 4.1.0 packaging [20:52] I remember he patched the crap out of it [20:53] apachelogger: help ^^ :) please [20:53] Arby: see the intrepid patch [20:53] I added a patch for that [20:53] ah right === hunger_t is now known as hunger [20:56] lol, nobody wants to take l10n [20:57] does your ruby script to hardy backports apachelogger? [21:00] kdenetwork 98% done... [21:01] JontheEchidna: l10n don't get backported AFAIK [21:01] o, ic [21:02] * JontheEchidna doesn't care because he's a callous English speaker [21:02] :P [21:03] apachelogger: where can I find your kdebindings 4.1.0? [21:03] Arby: batdirectory [21:03] ah, k [21:04] that would explain why apt-get source didn't do what I expected then [21:05] dh_install time! [21:22] apachelogger: I copied the patch over but I'm still getting failures http://paste.ubuntu.com/30661/ [21:23] Arby: that is strangy [21:23] build in a chroot [21:23] I am [21:23] was the patch in the series file? [21:23] yes I copied both over [21:23] strangy [21:24] indeed [21:25] still dh_installing... [21:30] seems like there's a missing file [21:30] * Arby pokes around looking for it [21:31] hmm... dinner [21:31] lololol, kopete takes forever to dh_install [21:33] heh, finally it moves on [21:37] the root of it seems to be this missing file kdebindings-4.1.0/obj-i486-linux-gnu/smoke/phonon/x_1.cpp: No such file or directory [21:38] which seems to be referred to in kdebindings-4.1.0/smoke/phonon/CMakeLists.txt [21:38] as in [21:38] set(smokephonon_LIB_SRCS ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/smokedata.cpp [21:38] ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/x_1.cpp [21:39] can anyone tell me what that means or how to tackle it [21:39] that's about as far as I can get [21:43] kdegraphics go! [21:44] oh, after I satisfy build-deps... [21:50] apachelogger: sent kdenetwork backport [21:53] * Arby starts poking cmake documentation [22:05] are there still no tarballs for 4.1.0 at the kde ftp? o.o [22:06] JontheEchidna: you mean the public part of it? [22:06] yeah [22:06] I guess [22:06] it is released next week, as planned [22:07] ah, so then how do distros get the tarballs early? [22:07] they are already available for distro's [22:07] oh [22:08] * JontheEchidna learned something new today [22:09] packagers can request an account to get to them a bit earlier [22:25] Arby: looks a bit like a problem i've seen before ... there has been some changes to cmake from 2.4 to 2.6 and where it looks/places some of the files; if it is related to this you might want to have a look at qtoctave which IIRC has a patch for it [22:25] a|wen: thanks for the clue [22:26] :) [22:31] a|wen: do you remember the name of the patch? [22:31] I have add_path_cmake26 [22:31] or build-out-of-source that look possible-ish [22:32] given my lack of understanding [22:32] Arby: add_path_for_cmake26 is the one [22:33] ok, I have no idea how to modify that to work with kdebindings [22:33] I think this is beyond my skills :( [22:34] Arby: your problem might not be the same ... pure guessing that it might be related [22:35] a|wen: all help is appreciated :) [22:35] my knowledge of cmake is just not good enough to fix this issue [22:35] * Arby gives up [22:36] * a|wen is a cmake novice too [22:37] kdebindings is often too hard for experts [22:38] there's extragear packages to be done if people are at a lose end :) [22:39] Riddell: no shortage of things to do :) [22:40] * Arby adds extragear to the todo list [22:49] kdegraphics is coming along nicely [22:50] I think I'll take kdesdk next if nobody was planning on doing it [22:51] or maybe webdev [22:52] heh, we're almost done === a|wen changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams | Test alpha 3 candidates CDs | Next meeting: Wednesday 30 July, 22:00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [23:10] afternoon! [23:13] hey vorian, how're you doing? [23:13] good good [23:13] same [23:13] you guys did good on the ppa's [23:13] dh_install takes forever with okular... [23:14] pim's being a pain in the arse [23:14] haha [23:14] anyone doing bindings? [23:14] i thought apachelogger had that one done [23:14] not at the moment [23:14] I tried and failed [23:14] :( [23:14] what was the failure? [23:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com/30661/ [23:15] * vorian looks [23:15] * JontheEchidna thinks it might be better to try a fresh backport from apachelogger's intrepid packages === evalles_ is now known as keffie_jayx [23:16] Arby: do you have a fresh tarball? [23:16] I could get one easily enough. [23:16] it was clean when I started [23:17] I downloaded it from apachelogger's collection [23:18] ah cool [23:18] I thought he replaced all those [23:18] on the plus side, kdegames just completed :) [23:18] w00t! [23:18] kdiamond ftw [23:19] usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/okular.svgz [23:19] ^Where would that go? [23:19] okular package? [23:20] hmm [23:20] maybe not anywhere [23:20] check the do not install file [23:20] not there [23:20] but it's only a source svg so maybe it shouldn't be installed? [23:21]