[03:09] <DanaG> Stupid NetworkManager.... if I connect to my home network with wireless, and have another PC connected to mine through a bridge (that also hosts my VMs)... it shows me as "wired network"
[03:09] <DanaG> instead of showing signal strength.
[03:37] <manchicken> Everybody digging intrepid?
[03:53] <Martiini> have the intrepid updates been uploaded yet ?? Im not getting any updates
[03:54] <LSD|Ninja> updates for what?
[03:54] <Martiini> alpha 3
[03:54] <LSD|Ninja> I mean, where in the chain are you
[03:55] <Martiini> alpha 3 is supposed to be in repositories but Im not able to upgrade ..
[03:55] <daekdroom> I think Alpha 3 is still delayed
[03:56] <daekdroom> Or, maybe they uploaded the packages already, but haven't released CD images
[03:56] <LSD|Ninja> It's just a milestone, it's not like you get a "Upgrade to Alpha 3" message popping up or anything
[03:56] <Martiini> cd images have been realeased but aptitude does not upgrade
[03:56] <daekdroom> Maybe you have all upgrades up to Alpha 3.
[03:57] <LSD|Ninja> That most likely means you're already up to date
[03:57] <RAOF> Martiini: "Alpha 3" will never be in the repositories.
[03:57] <daekdroom> I think they release the upgrade in repository before releasing CD images.
[03:57] <LSD|Ninja> ...
[03:57] <RAOF> Martiini: This is because "Alpha 3" is purely a figment of the communities imagination.
[03:57] <Martiini> I havent been getting any updates to intrepid for a month now .. aptitude works .. synaptic works .. just simply no updates
[03:57] <LSD|Ninja> Martiini: then something is wrong
[03:57] <RAOF> Then you're not using intrepid :)
[03:59] <Martiini> shit .. I modified my preferenced file .. of course .. Im using apt-pinning :)
[03:59] <RAOF> !ohmy | Martiini, just in future...
[03:59] <Martiini> what did I do
[04:01] <RAOF> Foul language.
[04:03] <LSD|Ninja> heh, they should allow a lifted amount of swearing given the nature of the software :P
[04:09] <manchicken> So what are the big issues in Intrepid so far?
[04:12] <wgrant> manchicken: It's liable to explode in your face and burn down your house and eat your hat at any point.
[04:13] <manchicken> wgrant: I'm just asking.  If asking questions poses a fire risk, I've got an extinguisher handy.
[04:13] <manchicken> wgrant: And I seldom wear my hat... so I'm not concerned with that risk so much.
[04:14] <wgrant> Do you have a cat? It could do some non-CoC-compliant things to it.
[04:14] <LSD|Ninja> manchicken: Have a spare machine/partition/VM? That's probably the easiest way to evaluate it
[04:14] <manchicken> I'm just asking, not looking to upgrade just yet.
[04:15] <manchicken> wgrant: My cat could use to lose some weight... so I'm not sure that'd be such a horrible thing in the end.
[04:29] <manchicken> So is anybody actually interested in answering my question then?
[04:38] <RAOF> manchicken: Probably not, not really.  Apart from the normal development-version breakage, everyone's special breakage tends to be different.
[04:38] <LSD|Ninja> ^^
[04:38] <kernco> I am having problems with my video chip on my laptop in Intrepid.  It worked fine in Hardy.  My native resolution is 1280x800, but with Intrepid it only lets me choose 640x480 or 800x600.  I tried manually editing xorg.conf to add 1280x800, and it locked up my computer when gdm was starting.  My video chip is VIA/S3G DeltaChrome IGP.
[04:39] <LSD|Ninja> manchicken: Only way to really gauge it is to use it in a controlled environment in something that resembles your normal usage pattern
[04:40] <manchicken> Yeah, I'm thinking of just going ahead, backing the crap out of my machine, and then trying the upgrade myself.
[04:40] <RAOF> kernco: For X issues the minimum information necessary for help is xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[04:41] <daekdroom> kernco, Which video driver are you using?
[04:42] <kernco> daekdroom: vesa driver
[04:42] <daekdroom> kernco, That's it. It doesn't support 1280x800
[04:42] <kernco> It used to
[04:43] <daekdroom> As far as I remember it doesn't, but then, heh.
[04:43]  * RAOF is pretty sure that 1280x800 has never been a vesa resolution, but there you go.
[04:44] <RAOF> You were probably using the openchrome or via or whatever driver.
[04:44] <daekdroom> kernco, i'd suggest you to try gksu displayconfig-gtk, but... It doesn't have an automatic 1280x800 generic conf :x
[04:44] <manchicken> I don't think any widescreen resolution has ever been VESA...
[04:44] <daekdroom> As far as I know 1440x900 been.
[04:45] <manchicken> But then again, I'm not always clueful on such things.
[04:45] <daekdroom> I used it kinda often here.
[04:45] <kernco> Hmmm, I guess I could use a Hardy live CD and see what driver it's using.  I know that successfully detects my 1280x800 resolution
[04:45] <RAOF> Again, pastebinning xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log is pretty much the minimum information necessary to make any sort of informed guess.
[04:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'm in contact with Foxconn's Chinese headquarters
[04:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> trying to help them debug their BIOS
[04:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> they say certain brands of RAM are triggering some of the problems?
[04:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> but only with Linux
[04:47] <LSD|Ninja> ...
[04:48] <AlmightyCthulhu> they've booted up Ubuntu 7.04 through 8.10 Alpha 3
[04:48] <AlmightyCthulhu> same errors
[04:48] <LSD|Ninja> let me know when he stops dribbling. Or not, whatever.
[04:48] <daekdroom> I love when we can blame hardware manufactures and not the software developers for flaws and low performance :3
[04:48] <kernco> You need the Xorg log for when it locks up the computer, or a normal start when it fails to detect the correct resolution?
[04:50] <kernco> Actually, I'm noticing in the log it says "not using built-in mode 1280x800 (hsync out of range)"
[04:50] <DanaG> odd... ssh in gnome-terminal does not change the caption of the gnome-terminal.
[04:50] <kernco> So I guess I just need to tell it the correct hsync in xorg.conf instead of letting it autodetect
[04:54] <DanaG> How do I make gnome-terminal show the name of the host I'm ssh'd into?
[04:55] <crdlb> it doesn't do that already?
[04:58] <DanaG> Not for me, for some reason.
[04:58] <DanaG> But then again, the backuppc user on the remote host has no .bashrc.
[04:58] <crimsun_> which shell are you using?
[04:58] <DanaG> bash.
[04:58] <DanaG> On client (this PC) and server (other PC)
[05:01] <DanaG> woah, I started typing "man authorized_keys" and got this:
[05:02] <DanaG>  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmman aut
[05:13] <DanaG> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
[05:13] <DanaG> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4dev'
[05:13] <DanaG> argh.  no ext4 here.
[05:13] <DanaG> s/argh/bummer/
[05:50] <DanaG> Anybody here use backuppc?
[05:51] <DanaG> Or happen to know how to set up rsync on a server to rename paths?
[05:54] <DanaG> Or am I better off asking in the non-+1 channel?
[06:23] <G_009> 1280x800 is supported natively on a mt3422
[06:37] <G_009> try the 'fix xserver' option from reCovery menu
[07:13] <RAOF> DanaG: I believe that you can change the title of the gnome-terminal from the shell you're running.
[07:13] <RAOF> Dunno the details, though.
[07:33] <AlmightyCthulhu> RAOF: Yes you can
[07:33] <AlmightyCthulhu> I've been quite comical with that before
[07:34] <jimqode> 414
[07:34] <jimqode> sorry wrong window
[08:50] <tanath> i have a weird issue. my scroll wheel doesn't scroll in apps anymore
[08:51] <tanath> it still performs some actions, but not scrolling
[08:51] <tanath> some fairly recent update changed its behaviour
[08:52] <LSD|Ninja> Can we *PLEASE* kill the ALSA CP speaker driver entirely? Remove the code from the kernel entirely if you have to. No one needs it and all it does is cause problems.
[08:54] <G_009> kill it with your ninja skills
[08:54] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: There should be a pulseaudio upload soon which will make pulse ignore the pcspk by default unless it's the only device; that seems a correct fix.
[08:55] <LSD|Ninja> ugh, so more band aid solutions
[08:56] <RAOF> No.  Blacklisting the module would be a bandaid.
[08:56] <RAOF> What would be a solution you'd be happy with?
[08:57] <G_009> i havent had a problem since, though.. pretty sturdy band-aid on mine
[08:57] <RAOF> Or, rather, how certain are you that the pcspk driver is not useful under any circumstances :)
[08:57] <LSD|Ninja> Getting rid of the pc speaker output entirely - there was absolutely no reason to bring it back in the first place
[08:58] <G_009> driver, module..
[08:58] <LSD|Ninja> RAOF: using the PC speaker in place of a proepr audio device was crap 15 years ago and its crap now. Only difference 15 years ago was not every computer had a sound card then
[08:58]  * G_009 checks dictionary
[08:58] <RAOF> G_009: Equivalent :)
[09:24] <DanaG> Actually, it may be handy in some cases.
[09:24] <DanaG> If you have a server... you could direct simple error sounds to it, or something.
[10:36] <jianfei> q: how do i go from alpha-2 to alpha-3?
[10:37] <RAOF> jianfei: If you've been installing any updates, you're already past alpha 3
[10:37] <jianfei> cheers
[10:37] <jianfei> RAOF: its working well
[10:38] <jianfei> i remember with hardy alpha, i experienced a lot more problems
[10:43]  * DanaG goes off §£∃∃¶ing.   (In case you can't see that unicode... it's "SLEEPING" with "section" and "pound (currency)", then "exists" twice, followed by the "paragraph" symbol, and then "ing".)
[10:43] <DanaG> =þ
[10:43]  * laga blinks
[10:44] <DanaG> Sat Jul 26 02:44:05 PDT 2008
[10:55]  * DanaG wonders what to use a smartcard reader for.
[10:55] <DanaG> My next laptop I'll be getting will have one.
[10:56] <Hobbsee> identification?
[10:57] <DanaG> Ugh, my built-in iwl3945 card has much lower throughput than my b43 cardbus card.
[10:58]  * DanaG switched back.
[10:58] <DanaG> to the broadcom.
[10:58] <DanaG> Intel wireless is better for Linux?  Bah.
[10:58] <DanaG> Well, maybe better "for" it, but it sure doesn't WORK better.
[10:58] <DanaG> PulseAudio from wireless to wired:
[10:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> driver, driver, driver...
[10:59] <DanaG> intel 3945: play....cut out.... drop back to local.
[10:59] <DanaG> broadcom: play...... skip.... play.... skip..... play... skip.
[10:59] <DanaG> In other words, they both suck, but the Intel is worse.
[10:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> hey, at least it works under linux
[11:00] <DanaG> And yet the broadcom claims to be only at 18 megabit connection.
[11:00] <DanaG> Odd.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> strange.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> seeing as mine's working fine
[11:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> my macbook with leopard couldn't even detect my access point
[11:03] <DanaG> I wonder if I should disable "Afterburner" and/or Packet Bursting on my dd-wrt router.
[11:05] <DanaG> My next laptop will have an Intel 5-something card, most likely -- and it'll have two mini-PCIe slots (one for WWAN).
[11:05] <DanaG> So.... I may stick a Broadcom mini-PCIe in the other slot.
[11:05] <DanaG> =þ
[11:05] <DanaG> Or perhaps an Atheros?
[11:05] <DanaG> (Depends what the BIOS whitelist allows.)
[11:05] <laga> that's going to work well without a second antenna ;)
[11:05] <DanaG> I could always try the WWAN antennae.
[11:05] <DanaG> Maybe.
[11:07] <DanaG> Anyway... bedtime now.
[11:07] <DanaG> Sat Jul 26 03:07:15 PDT 2008
[11:07] <DanaG> yeah.
[11:07]  * DanaG wonders how many of the extra things here (such as light sensors) will have Linux drivers.
[11:07] <DanaG> http://www.hp.com/sbso/solutions/pc_expertise/professional_innovations/differences-w.html
[11:08]  * laga sends DanaG to bed
[11:08] <DanaG> I keep reading about a driver for the accelerometer... but it's not actually in the tree yet.
[12:37] <khaije1> odd question but does anyone know if intrepid's kvm will support the pci-passthrough, it's in kvm's head currently... ?
[12:39] <RAOF> If it's not in a released kvm version, then not right now.
[12:39] <RAOF> Depending on how soon it's in a release, possibly.  You'd be better served by asking the server team that sort of question, though.
[13:01] <khaije1> RAOF: where does the server team hang out?
[13:02] <RAOF> #ubuntu-server, I believe.
[13:17] <Wizard> hiho!
[13:17] <Wizard> is it possible to update some powerpc kubuntu to itrepid ibex?
[13:18] <RAOF> Wizard: Should be; you're welcome to try.
[13:39] <[diablo]> afternoon
[13:39] <[diablo]> guys, anyone having problems installing alpha3 as a kvm-71 guest?
[13:43] <sbucat> i have kernel panic with kubuntu alpha3... [diablo]
[13:45] <[diablo]> on install?
[13:46] <sbucat> yeah
[13:46] <sbucat> well i have used virtual box
[13:46] <sbucat> and voila' xD kernel panic
[13:48] <[diablo]> lol
[13:55] <murlidhar> should i file a bug i am not able to install libimlib2-dev since it requires  libltdl3-dev.
[13:57]  * Hobbsee looks
[13:57] <slipttees> hey
[13:57] <slipttees> http://mossblaser.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-8-04-GUI-Design-Idea-72574609
[13:57] <slipttees> idea for 8.10 ;-)
[13:57] <slipttees> GUI :-)
[13:59] <Hobbsee> murlidhar: i *think* that's already tracked
[13:59] <Hobbsee> hm, perhaps not
[14:00] <murlidhar> :)
[14:04] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, can u help me . last week i was trying to compile an application . ./configure worked fine. but after reinstalling intrepid again. i am not able to do the same . i need libimlib2-dev files .
[14:04] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, btw the last installation was a base installation and this time i did a full installation
[14:04] <Hobbsee> use 7-dev files?
[14:06] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, couldn't get u
[14:06] <Hobbsee> use libltdl7-dev instead?
[14:07] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, no
[14:08] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, perhaps no . i don't remember the last time what i installed
[14:08] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, installating 7-dev to see if it works
[14:08] <Hobbsee> oh, my mistake.
[14:08] <Hobbsee> (darn names being close)
[14:10] <Hobbsee> right.  that's fixed.
[14:12] <Hobbsee> hm, nice gui idea, too
[14:13] <murlidhar> yes it is
[14:16] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, err it still doesn't help me installing libimlib2-dev
[14:16] <Hobbsee> no, it won't yet.
[14:16] <Hobbsee> things take time to build.
[14:16] <Hobbsee> and publish, and all of that.
[14:17] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, how come the last time i could install it ?
[14:17] <Hobbsee> because last time was before the libtool update
[14:19] <murlidhar> so u mean it should get fixed automatically?
[14:19] <murlidhar> i mean later on
[14:19] <Hobbsee> yes, i've uploaded a fixed version.
[14:19] <murlidhar> so will it take time to get published. how much time ?
[14:20] <murlidhar> thanks Hobbsee
[14:20] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[14:20] <Hobbsee> it'll probably take an hour to propogate out to all mirrors
[14:20] <Hobbsee> er, to the main mirror, i mean.
[14:20] <murlidhar> k
[14:22] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, can u recommend me a good book for becoming a linux programmer especially for debian systems
[14:22] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, or a good link or online tutorials
[14:22] <Hobbsee> as in, packaging, or actually writing programs?
[14:23] <murlidhar> and the languages i should know . ( i know c++ a bit)
[14:24] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, can u recommend me a good book for becoming a linux programmer especially for debian systems
[14:24] <murlidhar> and the languages i should know . ( i know c++ a bit)
[14:25] <Hobbsee> [23:22] <Hobbsee> as in, packaging, or actually writing programs?
[14:25] <murlidhar> Hobbsee, packaging
[14:25] <LSD|Ninja> C and C++ are the biggies, a little perl probably wouldn't go astray and python is starting to become popular too
[14:26] <Hobbsee> have a look at
[14:26] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[14:29] <murlidhar> thanks Hobbsee
[14:29] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[14:30] <murlidhar> LSD|Ninja, thanks i think i should refresh my C++ skills
[15:22] <jacob> was there a font update in the past few days or something? they suddenly look awesome
[15:24] <LSD|Ninja> I can't say I noticed, they're still the same crappy old Linux fonts to me...
[15:25] <jacob> gnome-terminal looks like it has a new monospace font at least
[15:25] <jacob> or they way it bolds changed
[16:36] <skyjumper> where can i get some more detailed info about what's new in Intrepid?
[16:38] <skyjumper> found it
[16:54] <G_009> finally X broke on me after updates today.. first time since alpha1, so i dont feel so bad; hopefully it's a good sign
[16:59] <G_009> since i dont know how to run two apps in the same tty in text mode, i guess i'll be back later.. gotta tinker with some stuff
[17:00] <td123> G_009: you can't in one tty, you can send it to background though using "prog_name &"
[17:00] <td123> --though
[17:01] <G_009> oh.. cool, thx
[17:01] <td123> G_009: you could just open another tty
[17:08] <G_009> that too..
[17:08] <G_009> fine.. done tinkering.. going in Recovery mode instead
[17:22] <G_009> problem solved, and i got nvidia drivers at the ready in restricted hardware drivers.. i had a good feeling about the breakage; however it shows versions 71 and 96 to choose from.. what's the catch
[17:23] <LSD|Ninja> They've managed to get the hardware drivers panel working again?
[17:24] <G_009> there is even a Configure diSplay seTtings icon on panel too..
[17:27] <G_009> but it's just a link to system>pReferences>scReenrEsolution
[17:27] <LSD|Ninja> G_009: oh, lame
[17:27] <LSD|Ninja> G_009: having trouble with your shift key there btw?
[17:28] <G_009> nah..   -_-
[17:32] <G_009> i guess mx4000 will work best with the 96
[17:33] <G_009> here we go
[17:34] <LSD|Ninja> xorg is currently broken for the version of nvidia 96 in the repos. I keep hoping for a bump to .07 but it hasn't come yet
[17:35] <G_009> i'm on my way to find out how much
[17:47] <G_009> yah.. driver version 96 is going, but openGL is a no-go
[17:49] <G_009> i had to do a Xserver quick fix too but i got my interface ..
[18:14] <RichW> Can I ask intrepid - kde4 stuff in here?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> sure
[18:18] <Technofrood> I just tried to upgrade a system for 8.04 to the latest alpha and it seems to have had a problem upgrading gnome (and parts there of) leaving me with a blank screen (same background as the login screen) after login
[18:18] <RichW> kdelibs4c2a is broken right now yes?
[18:18] <RichW> depends on a package that isnt there
[18:19] <RichW> "The following packages have been kept back"
[18:19] <Technofrood> I'm in a terminal at the moment but Nothing I can do with apt seems to be letting me get gnome back
[18:20] <RichW> i got tot reboot
[18:20] <Technofrood> apt-get install gnome results in missing dependacies of gnome-office and system-config printer
[18:21] <Technofrood> gnome-office isn't going to be installed aparently
[18:21] <Technofrood> and system-config-printer is not installable
[18:27] <un2him> i cannot run alpha 3 in virtual box under hardy heron.  I get a kernel panic
[18:28] <daekdroom> un2him, only kernel -2 is working
[18:28] <jonpackard> ﻿un2him: see bug 246067
[20:27] <dorins> #/join #ubuntu-devel
[20:28] <dorins> sry
[20:28] <AMDpenguin> are there screenshots of kubuntu 8.10?
[21:13] <askand> Anyone knows if Ubuntu Brainstorm has an IRC-channel?
[21:25] <daekdroom> Is Alpha 3 good enough to be used in a desktop non-production machine?
[21:26] <TheImp> daekdroom: if you know how to fix things - sure
[21:26] <TheImp> its an alpha.
[21:27] <daekdroom> TheImp, do you believe they'll continue to upload packages even when they are sure they have high risk to break?
[21:27] <TheImp> no, but breakage can always happen with alpha software
[21:28] <TheImp> packages are not tripple tested like in usual ubuntu
[21:28] <daekdroom> I know that but, heh, I'll wait for FeatureFreeze
[21:28] <TheImp> its an alpha.
[21:29] <daekdroom> hardy-proposed is an eternal alpha. I tried it before..
[21:29] <TheImp> proposed is also just for testers, yes
[21:32] <gluer__> these alpha's are alot smoother and safer than hardy alpha's - touch wood
[21:33] <laga> if you ignore the fact that they're completely broken in virtualbox
[21:47] <Laney> ...and KVM/qemu
[21:47] <gluer__> q: are there any problems with the alpha 3 cd? ive burnt it twice and its hanging on installation, or should i download it again? i did a checksum verification and all seems fine
[21:47] <gluer__> tried it on 2 laptops
[21:47] <Laney> Of course there are problems!
[21:48] <Laney> Find/file bugs for any issues you experience
[21:48] <Laney> and/or try the latest daily image
[21:48] <gluer__> do u have the link for that?
[21:48] <Laney> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:48] <gluer__> cheers
[21:49] <gluer__> laney: i thought it didnt burn properly..
[21:50] <Laney> Well there's an option to verify the CD in the installer isn't there?
[21:50] <gluer__> yep
[21:50] <Laney> ...;_
[21:50] <Laney> )
[21:50] <gluer__> amazing how much faith i have in alpha software sometimes
[21:50] <gluer__> lol
[21:51] <gluer__> quite similar to my wifes cooking...
[21:51] <gluer__> hehe
[21:51]  * burner isn't down with the mysogyny but is down with alpha 3 
[21:52] <burner> i have it on two PCs... though wifi on the eeepc is b0rked
[21:52] <laga> Laney: well, it works better in kvm here than in virtualbox (but kinda works in vbox if you enable the VT-x mode)
[21:52] <Laney> laga: I get mouse problems with -desktop and installation problems (dpkg errors) with -alternate
[21:53] <Laney> But I know how to get round the mouse ones so maybe it'll be ok besides that
[21:53] <laga> well, i dont have X yet in virtualbox so i can't comment ;)
[21:53] <Laney> This is in KVM
[21:53] <Laney> In vbox I don't get anywhere
[21:53] <Laney> and I'm not sure about this VT-x thing, don't know what it is
[21:54] <Laney> Ooh, just found a checkbox. Let's try
[21:54] <laga> well, modern cpus have hardware virtualisation support, the kvm stuff basically.
[21:54] <burner> just upgrade your desktops ;)  don't be scared!
[21:54] <laga> Laney: i had to use safe graphics mode to get the live disk to boot successfully
[21:54] <laga> oddly enough, X worked there.
[21:54] <laga> burner: i don't want to use kde 4 yet
[21:55] <Laney> Funnily enough I actually have to use my desktop :(
[21:55] <burner> kde 4.1 rc is in intrepid :)
[21:55] <laga> yeah
[21:55] <Laney> laga: Oh hey, it does get further with vt-x. Good catch
[21:57] <Laney> And X seems to work too, joy!
[21:57] <laga> i'm jealous.
[21:57] <laga> i used to get "dri2 module not found" errors.
[21:58] <laga> Laney: could you pastebin your xorg.conf from virtualbox?
[21:59] <Laney> laga: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30670/
[22:00] <gluer__> tring to install alpha 3 get I/O error dev src0, sector 147712 any ideas?
[22:01] <laga> Laney: heh. just booted my VM and now it's working magically :)
[22:01] <Laney> Yay!
[22:01] <laga> good stuff.
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> gluer__: I think that doesn't mean anything significant
[22:02] <gluer__> jontheechidna: well it halts my installation
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> I got a ton of those and it still boots
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, you're in the middle of an install when that happens?
[22:02] <gluer__> drops to busybox
[22:02] <gluer__> no the beginning
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> sounds like x is crashing
[22:03] <gluer__> anyway to still install?
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> maybe you could use the alternate installer?
[22:03] <laga> time to try kde 4 ;)
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> btw, Intrepid should be getting 4.1.0 packages sometime soon
[22:04] <laga> nice.
[22:06] <laga> virtualbox version 1.6.2 also supports "seamless windowing" for windows guests.. i guess i'll be trying some kde4 apps on my native desktop then :)
[22:10] <burner> lol... blasphemous way to use kde
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> there's a windows installer for kde so you can run the apps natively in windows
[22:11] <laga> why? mix and match kde 3 and kde 4 ;)
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> even plasma
[22:11] <laga> i wasn't talking about windows
[22:11] <burner> that said and you're free to do so.  I wish you good luck in trying to find your windows-esque gtk theme ;)
[22:12] <burner> i just switched to KDE in intrepid... it's downright usable!
[22:12] <burner> you can actually move stuff on the dock and there are some decent plasmoids
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:13] <laga> ooh. i'm using the garfield widget and i can zoom in
[22:14]  * JontheEchidna just changes it to xkcd or dilber
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> t
[22:14] <laga> you can select different comics?
[22:14] <laga> oh my god
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> intrepid should also have packages for plasmoid-quickaccess, plasmoid-weather, and plasmoid-wifi
[22:14]  * laga is in love
[22:39] <swien> KDE4 seems to be currently broken
[22:39] <kernco> Can I downgrade back to Hardy without a CD, just using the package manager?
[22:39] <laga> i don't think you can downgrade at all
[22:44] <alex_mayorga> anyone know why what used to be the shutdown button now is a log off button? is that the Intrepid way?
[22:45] <daekdroom> Well. It's like that in my VM too
[22:45] <daekdroom> but I believe they'll change gdm screen if they keep the shutdown thing like that
[22:46] <alex_mayorga> just pointing that, because now shutdown is now a 2 step process, much like in Mac Os X, which I think it's a regression
[22:52] <alex_mayorga> daekdroom, do you agree it's a bug?
[22:52] <daekdroom> I don't, but might be because of an update that broke configuration compatibility
[22:54] <DanaG> Argh... my other (Hardy) system just broke worse than my Intrepid one ever has, so far.
[22:54] <DanaG> Libc6 is broken on the Hardy one.  ldconfig gives "illegal instruction" and aborts.
[22:54] <DanaG> Anybody know how to fix the thing?  The system is still running, but I can't use apt because it wants me to dpkg --configure -a.
[22:55] <DanaG> And the broken libc6 is what it wants to configure.
[22:55] <crimsun> how broken is it?  What are the package versions at play here?
[22:55] <DanaG> The system is still running fine, as in most things still work;  ldconfig may be the only broken thing there.
[22:55] <crimsun> remember that you can ar a deb and manually mv if you have a static shell like sash
[22:55] <DanaG> It may be a corrupt file, or something, perhaps.
[22:56] <crimsun> dpkg -l libc6\*
[22:57] <DanaG> Hmm, I seem to have a "forbid" on some version....
[22:57] <DanaG> I see, there's libc6, and libc6-i686.
[22:57] <DanaG> I need to grab the same version of both.
[22:59] <DanaG> Odd.. still illegal instruction on trying to "dpkg -i" the deb files for the latest (2.7-10ubuntu3).
[22:59] <alex_mayorga> can any one confirm if the "log off" button is the intrepid way or some sort of breakage?
[23:02] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder if I just need to reboot the thing.
[23:04] <gluer__> acer extensa 5620z has some serious video issues with alpha 2
[23:06] <DanaG> Aah, rebooting fixed ldconfig.
[23:06] <DanaG> Odd.
[23:15] <gluer__> alex_mayorge: good question, i want to know the answer as well its damn annoying
[23:20] <alex_mayorga> gluer__: we can hope for an answer in this channel eventually =)
[23:26] <gluer__> man i cant stand acer
[23:40] <gluer__> ok fixed intel x3100 with updates