[09:02] <pwnguin> lol https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Dream_Wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallbio8.jpg
[09:05]  * DanaG gags
[09:05] <pwnguin> reminds me of the XP desktop
[09:05] <pwnguin> i wonder if that was stock art
[09:06] <DanaG> The only grassy-hill wallpaper I've ever used is "Dark Bliss" from here.
[09:06] <DanaG> http://www.zeroingin.net/skins/
[09:06] <DanaG> When in Windows, of course.
[09:07] <pwnguin> so ive been talking with one of the guys who did some work on the default hardy wallpaper
[09:08] <pwnguin> i havent followed -artwork for long -- do we know he feels a bit snubbed?
[09:12] <thorwil> pwnguin: do you mean the original author?
[09:12] <pwnguin> well, troy
[09:12] <pwnguin> i donno about ash
[09:12] <thorwil> oh, him ^^
[09:13] <pwnguin> ash seemed happy enough to make another one for intrepid
[09:13] <thorwil> pwnguin: i was under the impression he just had enough of the list
[09:13] <pwnguin> who?
[09:13] <thorwil> and apparently also this channel
[09:13] <thorwil> troy
[09:13] <pwnguin> you know about when that happend?
[09:14] <thorwil> can't put a date on it
[09:14] <pwnguin> im kinda curious what happened and whether he's merely insufferable or justified in it
[09:15] <thorwil> pwnguin: he makes some valid points, but there's not much point in reiterating them to the same limited audience again and again
[09:15] <pwnguin> heh
[09:17] <pwnguin> he seems more willing to blame what happened on shuttleworth and canonical than say a lack of direction or dissent from the original author
[09:18] <thorwil> not sure about that
[09:19] <pwnguin> what i mean is, the original forms to the heron had a few "humans" lying about
[09:19] <thorwil> pwnguin: actually, he lists that wallpaper as the one thing gotten right on his blog
[09:19] <pwnguin> does he?
[09:19] <pwnguin> i thought he hated how it went
[09:19] <thorwil> wasn't happy with the repetition, yes
[09:20] <pwnguin> repitition?
[09:20] <pwnguin> bluh
[09:20] <thorwil> the heron in the background again
[09:20] <pwnguin> oh, well thats sasuage
[09:21] <pwnguin> anyways, i know its a bit dangerous to rely on one persons history of the events
[09:21] <thorwil> pwnguin: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/07/dear-mr-shuttleworth.html
[09:21] <thorwil> look at "I'd answer that question with a single resounding "YES". It was one decision. It was all about a bird." ...
[09:22] <thorwil> pwnguin: i think that story is a good example of some problems you get when different people edit some artwork
[09:23]  * DanaG accidentally detaches Mark Shuttleworth's head.
[09:23] <DanaG> Oops.  You forgot to group it.
[09:23] <DanaG> =þ
[09:24] <pwnguin> ive seen the open letter to shuttleworth
[09:24] <pwnguin> it's kinda abrasive
[09:24] <thorwil> good thing voodoo doesn't work (like that)
[09:24] <pwnguin> which i guess is how some artists work
[09:25] <thorwil> well, if being all subtle ore even just diplomatic doesn't work ...
[09:26] <pwnguin> you can scream all you want in space
[09:26] <pwnguin> and thats where troy seems to have run off to
[09:26] <thorwil> pwnguin: go tell him ;)
[09:26] <pwnguin> it wouldn't be diplomatic
[09:28] <pwnguin> besides, im post #2 on that entry
[09:29] <pwnguin> and if troy's reading this via logs, i'll add that the letter reads like the worlds worst job application cover letter
[09:32] <thorwil> he's not applying for a job
[09:32] <thorwil> but enough (or too much, already) talking about a 3rd party here ;)
[09:32] <pwnguin> fine fine
[11:58] <xanax`> hello
[17:17] <Deep6> guys is this the right place to ask to get a clue on how to make some of the more "advanced" looking themes present on ubuntu-art.org work?
[17:18] <Deep6> http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/imetalV5?content=83660
[17:18] <Deep6> as an example
[17:32] <zerwas> bad example ;)
[17:32] <zerwas> but what do you want to do exactly?
[17:33] <zerwas> what has been done on your screenshot is simply another gtk- and icon theme and another wallpaper
[17:34] <zerwas> for the bar at the bottom, take avant-window-navigator
[17:43] <Deep6> sorry
[17:43] <Deep6> back
[17:46] <Deep6> well, is there anything to make the gtk-theme work?
[17:47] <Deep6> I can't seem to get it to work
[17:47] <Deep6> I get a ? in the theme manager
[17:47] <zerwas> then you might not have the correct theme engine installed yet
[17:47] <Deep6> how do you identify the theme engine?
[20:48] <kwwii> re
[21:40] <pwnguin> you know, it would be awesome if the theme applet could set themes on a per install basis
[21:40] <pwnguin> sorta like how the resolution settings can be set to "this computer only"
[21:41] <pwnguin> its annoying to switch between the netbook theme on hardy and the new themes on intrepid