[00:00] <bdmurray> hrm
[00:00] <bdmurray> I think my math is wrong
[00:01] <calc> looks like not many people are getting 5 a day if not many over 100
[00:02] <sbeattie> bdmurray: is the ubuntu-changes-auto list archived somewhere a la ubuntu-bugs?
[00:03] <bdmurray> hunh
[00:03] <bdmurray> that list ends in 1/2006
[00:03] <bdmurray> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-changes-auto/
[00:04] <sbeattie> yeah. Did it actually end or just stopped getting archived?
[00:04] <bdmurray> I've no idea
[00:04] <bdmurray> maybe check gmame or something?
[00:06] <sbeattie> gmane and google just seem to find the individual release lists.
[00:06] <sbeattie> thanks, just thought you might know.
[00:07] <bdmurray> my thoughts about that list were just notional ramblings ;-)
[00:27] <bdmurray> calc: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/mailing-lists/most-active-commenters.txt is correct
[02:00] <jacob> okay, so lets say some person had submitted a bug report with a patch attached to fix a UI bug, but that patch introduced another bug.
[02:00] <jacob> what would be the proper thing to do? attach a new patch to the same bug, or file a new bug?
[02:04] <RAOF> jacob: Depends.  Has the patch been applied to the package yet?  If not, same bug.  If yes, new bug.
[02:05] <jacob> RAOF: it was already applied, a while ago actually. i only now saw that there was a new minor bug from it
[02:05] <jacob> RAOF: but thanks, i
[02:05] <RAOF> Probably a new bug, then.
[02:05] <jacob> i'll file another * :)
[02:27] <snadge> anyone here use ubuntu as a domU in xen?
[02:28] <snadge> i cant imagine its a terribly popular thing to do
[02:28] <snadge> since you cant do a vnc graphical install with ubuntu (or debian for that matter)
[02:28] <snadge> ok so you decide to debootstrap install it, from the limited advice available
[02:29] <snadge> that works great, but no xen framebuffer device.. at least, the console wont touch it.. output comes up blank
[02:32] <snadge> both opensuse and centos allow for a paravirtualized install.. and have a working graphic framebuffer with vnc support
[02:33] <RAOF> snadge: I was under the impression that virt-manager supported Xen, and would do all the funkies?
[02:34] <snadge> yes.. i think i may have complicated things by trying to run ubuntu as a domU under opensuse 11 dom0
[02:34] <snadge> the virt manager in that supports opensuse 11 / opensuse domU creations.. but i created the ubuntu install using debootstrap, and manually config
[02:36] <snadge> which worked for centos5 .. was able to turn graphic console on
[02:37] <snadge> so the short of it is.. i cant really work out if its a bug in debian port of xen.. whether ubuntu just borrows from that and does its own thing, and its actually broken in ubuntu and not debian
[02:39] <snadge> i'll install sid and try that :) .. i really want more people to choose xen over vmware esx.. it may be tainted by novell etc, but its still free software.. and as much as the kernel guys are in love with vaporware replacements, they dont exist yet
[02:46] <snadge> #105162
[02:53] <RAOF> "Tainted by Novell"???
[02:53] <RAOF> Someone's been reading too much boycottnovell.net :)
[02:56] <snadge> well.. im trying not to put any personal spin on it from myself
[02:57] <snadge> we use opensuse pretty much exclusively at work.. i dont have a problem with it, i cant really fault it too much apart from minor nit picks
[02:57] <snadge> but redhat is backing away from xen.. ubuntu has made noises about shying away from it too
[02:57] <snadge> the kernel guys seem to be in love with kvm
[02:59] <snadge> which is not a paravirt solution and requires hardware support.. one of the kernel guys is working on a xen equivalent thing, but its just in the idea phase.. eg.. "we dont like xen, heres a non existant project we think shows more promise"
[03:03] <snadge> that last part requires references which i dont have atm.. would have to dig them up
[03:17] <RAOF> Oh, fair enough.
[03:18] <RAOF> I was under the impression that Xen was likely to finally hit the mainline kernel in 2.6.27 or so.
[03:18] <RAOF> Either DomU or Dom0, I forget which.
[03:31] <calc> novell does some good upstream work
[03:31] <calc> i don't think i would want to use opensuse myself but they help a lot on OOo for example
[04:29] <snadge> RAOF: both.. i've been reading a bit about it
[04:29] <snadge> it seems every dist is forward porting patches from older kernels all the time.. and mostly are sick of it
[04:30] <snadge> for whatever reason, opensuse have managed to forward port it to 2.6.25.. both dom0/domU 32 and 64bit
[04:30] <snadge> and all the installers, graphics etc work
[04:30] <snadge> but they have a commercial product based on SLES10.. and im presuming soon to be SLES11
[04:31] <snadge> ZENworks .. they support windows etc as well, have a management client.. just like vmware
[04:32] <snadge> so my question is.. cant we just steal the patches from opensuse for now?
[04:36] <RAOF> Assuming they apply to our kernel... and we still have to support them.
[04:49] <Yasumoto> Hey guys, who's in charge of setting up bug days?
[04:51] <Yasumoto> And are they usually on thursdays? I'm going through the beginning stages of setting up m university's ACM (our computer club) schedule
[05:33] <nellery> Yasumoto, bug days are generally set up by various community members and triagers
[05:33] <nellery> and yes, they take place every thursday
[07:28] <Yasumoto> nellery: cool, thank you
[07:28] <nellery> Yasumoto, no problem
[14:37] <bddebian> Boo
[15:24] <copyofjohan> hi, im using a swapfile on my hardy. When activating the swapfile the hibernatebutton in gnome vanishes. Even when giving the resume= resume_offset= kernel options. Anyone knows what the problem is. Btw I dont understand why there is a hibernatebutton without an activated swapspace. Is that a bug?
[16:18] <askand> Hello, I recently filed a bug but I am not sure what package to file against, can someone please take a look? bug 252141
[16:24] <copyofjohan> Bug 252143
[16:47] <calc> anyone used istanbul before? the resulting video flickers A LOT and is basically useless, is there something i need to do to make it record decently?
[16:48] <popey> calc: turn on 3d mode
[16:48] <popey> or use gtk-recordmydesktop
[16:48] <calc> even when i have compiz disabled it needs 3d mode on?
[16:51] <calc> yea 3d mode fixed it for some reason
[17:35] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: could you take a look at Bug 251690 please. Is this a new policy to invalidate duplicates?
[17:47] <james_w> charlie-tca: it's just tracking down the duplicate number can be time-consuming. The person that closed it knows that it is already reported, so it is being tracked, they just don't have the number to hand.
[17:47] <james_w> and the people that deal with huge numbers of bugs would be significantly slowed by always finding the duplicate bug, so sometimes they don't
[17:48] <charlie-tca> The problem is trying to find that duplicate. How does the reporter find it if we can't?
[17:48] <james_w> it's unfortunate, and requires more work for the submitter, but I think making it easier on those that deal with huge numbers of reports.
[17:49] <james_w> it's not so much can't, as it would take 5 minutes. Multiply that by the hundreds of reports and it's a huge amount of time for that one person.
[17:49] <charlie-tca> It makes it look like any report can be marked invalid because someone _thinks_ it is a duplicate.
[17:50] <james_w> well, that isn't the case.
[17:52] <Awsoonn> The kernel in proposed was not happy on my machine, is there a special place to post the bug report?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> As a bugsquad member, I confirmed that bug because I couldn't find a duplicate
[18:05] <mouz> I've been linking succesfully to upstream bugs in the past. Now I get an error message in launchpad: "There is 1 error in the data you entered. Please fix it and try again.". I can't find anything wrong. More people experiencing this? Bug 6087.
[18:06] <james_w> hi mouz
[18:06] <james_w> what's the bug you are trying to link it to?
[18:06] <mouz> james_w: https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?23920
[18:08] <james_w> yeah, I've not seen that before.
[18:08] <james_w> maybe #launchpad can tell you why
[18:08] <mouz> james_w: did you try it and got the same?
[18:08] <james_w> it may be that launchpad can't talk to savannah yet
[18:09] <james_w> mouz: yep
[18:09] <mouz> james_w: thanks. i'll figure it out
[18:09] <james_w> apparently you can set them, it just can't get the status from savannah yet
[18:15] <mouz> james_w: found it: savanna bugtracker is in launchpad, but 'index.php' shouldn't be in the URL.
[19:25]  * marnanel grins.  I tell a bug reporter that there is currently no good way to do what is wanted, and he says "sounds conclusive to me.  let's see what shuttleworth's people will come up with-- i'm optimistic about the matter."
[19:25] <marnanel> that's the spirit, I say.
[19:52] <pwnguin> shuttleworths people dont fix bugs, they report them upstream
[19:53] <marnanel> well, sometimes they *are* upstream too.  but in this case what's needed is a common convention.  then we can fix the bug easily.
[19:55] <phenx> hello
[19:55] <marnanel> hello
[20:04] <dorins> X freezes on when I disable and reenable compositing, I can still log in through ssh. Running top shows it uses 100% cpu. How can I gather more info about the process to attach to the bug report?
[20:05] <dorins> apport seems to help with crashes, but not with freezes :)
[21:07] <nellery> what package does this bug fit in
[21:07] <nellery> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/252029
[21:07] <nellery> ubiquity? casper?
[21:07] <nellery> or perhaps usplash?
[21:47] <crimsun> nellery: it's not immediately obvious.  Ask him to boot without usplash.
[21:48] <crimsun> also, it would be nice if the symptom can be confirmed on 8.04.1 image(s).
[23:30] <jibel> nellery: Hi, you've marked bug #252195 "Fix commited" but the typo still exists in 0.92 and bzr
[23:46] <bdrung> jibel: i have changed the status back