[00:15] <emgent> moin
[03:53] <Martiini> have the intrepid updates been uploaded yet ?? Im not getting any updates
[03:55] <wgrant> Martiini: Um, Intrepid has been open for uploads for some months now...
[03:56] <Martiini> aah, ok .. I was just told that Alpha 3 is still delayed
[03:57] <wgrant> I'm not sure what that has to do with "the intrepid updates".
[03:57] <wgrant> And Alpha 3 has been released.
[03:58] <Martiini> I havent been getting any updates to intrepid for a month now .. aptitude works .. synaptic works .. just simply no updates
[03:59] <wgrant> Then your sources.list is very probably worng.
[03:59] <Martiini> shit .. I modified my preferenced file .. of course .. Im using apt-pinning :)
[04:00] <cody-somerville> Martiini, You can find support for Intrepid in #ubuntu+1
[08:52] <RAOF> Aha.  Conduit is uninstallable because of differences with our gnome-python-extras.  Debian build a couple of extra binary packages from g-p-e (python-eggtrayicon and -gtkmozembed, specifically).
[08:53] <RAOF> Is the correct fix here to adapt conduit to our gnome-python-extras, or to bring gnome-python-extras inline with Debian?
[10:08] <zorglu_> i got a quite technical question. i would like to add stuff in the /etc/hosts kindof file but in a directory..?. something like /etc/hosts.d/mypackage.conf
[10:08] <zorglu_> does this exists ?
[10:09] <geser> why do you need to add something to /etc/hosts?
[10:11] <zorglu_> to add hostnames...
[10:11] <zorglu_> i dont understand
[10:11] <zorglu_> is there a way to get this conf.d or anything cleaner than a parse of /etc/hosts or echo myip myhost >>/etc/hosts ?
[10:12] <geser> Why do you need to add a hostname?
[10:13] <geser> afaik there is no mechanism to update /etc/hosts, besides the admin could use a dns server to configure host names
[10:13] <zorglu_> geser: ok thanks.... too bad. i will stick to echo >> and parse with sed then...
[10:14] <geser> zorglu_: it's against the debian policy to change configurations files from other packages
[10:14] <geser> I still don't understand why you need to add a hostname there during package installation
[10:16] <zorglu_> it is ultra long to explain. but dont worry me too i would prefere to avoid it if i could
[11:31] <james_w> Hi all. Is this a correct bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/218586
[11:32] <james_w> there is a bug there, as the user deactivated a service, but gets it restarted on upgrade. However, I'm not sure if the bug is in the correct place.
[11:57] <emgent> tseliot: o/
[12:00] <tseliot> ﻿emgent: hey ;)
[14:00] <malpheus> hello
[14:07]  * Hobbsee tries to remember.
[14:07] <Hobbsee> what was the important thing about uploading imlib2?
[14:09] <malpheus> does anyone know of any platforms to write applications in so they can easily have their 'actions' modified?
[14:12] <malpheus> oops im looking for app development channel
[14:14] <malpheus> bye bye, keep up the good works
[16:01] <ogra> bryce, around ?
[17:46] <Fjodor> fabbione: Hi my man! You wouldn't happen to be in Aarhus now, would you?
[18:04] <theclaw> hi
[18:04] <theclaw> what is /lib/modules/$kernelver/volatile?
[18:09] <wasabi> modules which are built on your machine
[18:09] <wasabi> I believe.
[18:18] <cjwatson> modules which are linked on your machine
[18:27] <theclaw> where do those modules come from?
[18:27] <theclaw> they aren't included in any package
[18:28] <cjwatson> theclaw: /lib/linux-restricted-modules/
[18:32] <theclaw> cjwatson: thanks
[18:32] <theclaw> so these modules are copied from there upon boot-up?
[18:33] <theclaw> (I heard this volatile directory gets emptied upon boot-up)
[18:34] <cjwatson> yes
[18:34] <theclaw> hmm, why?
[18:34] <theclaw> why not put them /lib/modules directly?
[18:35] <cjwatson> because we can't legally distribute them that way
[18:37] <theclaw> cjwatson: why? What's the difference between putting them directly in /lib/modules, and putting them in /lib/restricted... ?
[18:38] <cjwatson> theclaw: if you look closely you'll see that there's more of a difference than just the location.
[18:38] <cjwatson> they don't get linked with the kernel until boot
[18:38] <theclaw> they get compiled on the fly?
[18:38] <cjwatson> linked, not compiled
[18:39] <theclaw> I'm confused, why is that a problem? Why do the have to be linked on each boot-up?
[18:39] <theclaw> *they
[18:39] <theclaw> debian for example also offers nvidia-kernel packages in non-free
[18:40] <theclaw> which I have to compile with module-assistant, but not on each boot-up
[18:40] <cjwatson> therefore Debian is not distributing them pre-compiled and pre-linked
[18:43] <theclaw> what's with http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686 for example?
[18:43] <theclaw> this package includes 'nvidia.ko'
[18:43] <cjwatson> if they're distributing them, that's up to them, but note that Debian has considerably less money than Canonical and is not a significant lawsuit target
[18:44] <theclaw> okay
[18:44] <theclaw> sorry, I guess I'm a bit annoying by now, but why don't just link them *once*?
[18:45] <theclaw> Upon installing the package, for example
[18:45] <theclaw> wouldn't this be okay, legally?
[18:45] <cjwatson> I have no idea and am not particularly keen to investigate
[18:45] <theclaw> okay
[18:45] <theclaw> thanks for your answers
[18:45] <cjwatson> I don't think we should be putting significantly more effort into the organisation of the restricted modules than we do
[18:47] <theclaw> okay
[18:53] <theclaw> I have a another completely concern; (#ubuntu couldn't help me on that, I think developers have more clue about this issue):
[18:53] <theclaw> I just moved from debian to ubuntu, I made a backup of my home-dir beforehand, and restored it; Now, gnome has "visual effects" (not compiz, in fact the compiz process isn't running at all)
[18:54] <theclaw> When I create a new user with a "clean homedirectory", there aren't any such effects by default
[18:54] <theclaw> it looks like those "composite"-effects
[18:54] <theclaw> (the window border is "shadowed", for example)
[18:54] <theclaw> (-for example, it's the only effect I notice)
[18:56] <alex-weej> updated intrepid today for the first time since last weekend
[18:56] <alex-weej> and my .gtk-bookmarks file seemed to have reset.
[18:56] <diogo> hi.... I need help from developers... I know that a part of Xorg has a problem with abnt2 br layout... how did ubuntu fixed it?
[18:56] <alex-weej> anyone know anything about this?
[18:56] <alex-weej> diogo: try #ubuntu-x
[19:03] <theclaw> (got it; there's a gconf-option for using metacity as a composite manager; don't know how that ever got enabled)
[19:29]  * slangasek claims a 4-digit bug number, whee :)
[19:33] <ion_> slangasek: Had they used base-36 bug-IDs from the beginning, we’d be using 4-digit bug numbers up to the 1 679 615th bug. :-) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/base-36-bug-ids
[19:35]  * slangasek blinks
[21:27] <Laney> Can someone give me any advice as to the next step for getting security fixes uploaded after producing debdiffs? I'm referring to bug #235915
[21:45] <crimsun> Laney: it's fine; the appropriate team is subscribed and will deal with it.
[21:45] <Laney> crimsun: OK that's great. I wasn't sure of the procedure with sponsorship
[21:45] <Laney> Tghanks for the information
[21:46] <Laney> -g
[22:35] <ion_> benc: Yay :-)