[00:08] klined? [00:08] Pici: what do you think? [00:09] nalioth: I think I should have known and just not asked. [00:09] cheeky sod was making the rounds [00:32] !ping [00:32] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [00:43] @mark zoreau #ubuntu given the irc guidelines in private message, evaluate and unban if appropriate. [00:43] Pici: The operation succeeded. [00:44] Is it a full moon tonight? [00:49] * mneptok moons the channel [01:28] Religion talk is going on in -offtopic. [01:29] Also, apparently I'm abusing ubottu by !religion'ing when people get into religious debates. === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [02:42] * Flannel mentions we probably should remove the ban on *!*@c-69-245-242-199.hsd1.in.comcast.net from here. [02:48] Flannel: Who is that for? [02:49] @btlogin [02:49] Pici: Baron1984, banned in -offtopic and ubuntuforums (and here). He's now AlmightyCthulhu, and his ban from here was more of a nuisance ban [02:49] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:49] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:49] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:49] klined [02:49] tomaw: thanks [02:49] Pici: I imagine the other bans could be cleared as well, but couldn't hurt to talk to him about them first [02:50] Pici: Either way, removing him here will keep him from talking about th eban in #ubuntu (which was two days ago) [06:00] the ops command is no longer working in #ubuntu [06:01] just briefly stopping by, will be back later. [06:03] Now that is interesting... Responds in PM fine. [06:11] that was because of the 'is' [07:13] setting up for my saturday morning ban removal [07:13] i.e. anyone from the previous week not this last week [07:13] if it is not an ip it does not get removed [07:15] ompaul I have no bans, nicks included, that can't be removed. [07:15] nickrud, the hint is more the opposite [07:15] if you want to keep some nick out you need to do more than *!*@foo.ip [07:15] ompaul yeah, that's why I mentioned it [07:15] ;-) [07:16] anyway, i only have one active, I'll drop it now [07:20] any supybot doctors around? [07:20] doctors/wizards/shamen ? [07:21] nalioth: I can't get mine to work with the ubotu database, does that count? [07:22] Flannel: ubot3 won't respond in #ubuntuforums-beginners [07:22] Do you run it? Is it giving error messages in the console? [07:22] console . . . hmmm [07:22] Actually, nalioth, while you're here, mind giving my LoCo bot a hostmask? [07:22] * nickrud giggles [07:23] does it respond to bot commands directly? like ping/list? [07:23] it works fine in other channels [07:23] ubot3: ping [07:23] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [07:23] just not in that channel? [07:24] that one and #ubuntu :| [07:26] it'd not lobotomised in any channels is it? [07:27] i don't understand. [07:27] the only channel it's got special instructions for is this one [07:28] there's a "lobotomy" feature that stops it responding to non-admins on a per-channel basis, but if you don't know about it then I doubt you've set it [07:28] check the bots log in (bot dir)/log/messages.log [07:29] don't they go to the console, too? [07:29] depends if it's daemonized or not [07:32] it's not. [07:32] ubot3: ping [07:32] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [07:33] ^ping [07:33] pong [07:33] it responds to ping at least [07:34] it responds (in here) to anything you ask it by name [07:34] ubot3: info kdm [07:34] kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 692 kB, installed size 1700 kB [07:36] that is odd [07:36] quite. [07:41] stdin: so how crazy is that? [07:41] insanely [07:42] I can't even think of a possible reason for it doing that [07:42] * nalioth mutters crazy talk and goes back to bed . . . (it's 0141 where he's sitting) [07:44] grazi, stdin [07:44] at least it works, we should hold on to that and forget the insanity that is supybot [07:45] !nickspam > stony [07:45] stony, please see my private message [07:59] it's 5pm here and im still in my pjs [08:00] * Flannel grumbles about the resurrection of automatix. [08:00] ugh [08:12] Flannel: huh?? [08:12] jussi01: The unholy union of Ultimate Edition and Automatic: http://ultamatix.com/ [08:13] oh no.... [08:15] ugh.... [08:15] why? why? why? [08:15] jussi01: What do you set to keep from doubling up on error messages in queries? ("is not a valid command" plus factoid) [08:15] jussi01: because some people just enjoy breaking stuff [08:15] Flannel: wht? [08:16] jussi01: supybot? [08:20] Flannel: /me dies violently. [08:31] Flannel: use supybot.reply.whenNotCommand [08:31] ie: set to False [08:42] stdin: Thanks [09:12] Flannel: all i can say is "i hope his code is better than his english" [09:12] and "oh no" [09:13] Hobbsee: Its either his second language, or he's trying *really* hard to sound sophisticated [09:14] or both. [09:14] ubottu is slooooowwwwwwww [09:15] Flannel: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:19] hmmm [09:19] I wonder if there is a way to monitor the usage of it [09:20] perhaps someone is at the moment trying to very hard to bring ubottu down === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [09:24] oy goddamnit hell my back hurts [09:27] * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti better [09:27] atleast the coffee from the pink moka pot is excellent [09:29] http://www.typhoonplus.com/MainPageArt/TeaCoffee3.jpg [09:31] * Myrtti goes to get another cup [09:33] Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu (love^_^me) [09:33] got it [09:41] hrm, so my talk got accepted to OSDC, now i gotta write it [09:42] \o/ [09:43] :D [09:45] should I go and make another pot of espresso? [09:45] :-D [09:46] according to the coffee pot makers I've just drank 6 cups of the stuff... [09:46] nomnom [09:52] haha [10:02] Mez is a meanie [10:02] I'm not talking to him. *snif* [10:04] oeace and quiet! :P [10:04] s/o/p/ [10:08] what a wonderful day this will be. I've got my apartment full of flies, my back aches like hell, this place is a mess, it's hot like in hell and my mom waked me up [10:09] s/waked/woke/ [10:09] what else. [10:09] * Myrtti hears flies buzzing around [10:12] * elkbuntu gives Myrtti another hug [10:16] http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2702710531/ ♥ === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [10:25] In #ubuntu-offtopic, James_Bomb said: Ubottu: Frogs is Delicious! [10:37] * elkbuntu hawks james_bomb with a /cs k [10:37] hawk all you want [10:37] * Flannel +1 [10:39] oh for Gaia's sake [10:39] I can see trouble stirring in #ubuntu-women [10:42] !prayer [10:42] Dear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so. [10:43] Myrtti, have you seen abstruse goose yet? [10:43] yup [10:50] elkbuntu: I was going to do that, but then he calmed a bit === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [10:57] hi, why am i banned from ubuntu-offtopic? [10:58] because of mibbit [10:59] you're not really [10:59] what [10:59] * PFA facepalms [10:59] how can i get on then? i'm at a friend's house. she doesn't have IRC. [10:59] didn't you have unaffiliated cloak? [10:59] identify with it and try again [11:00] Myrtti: unaffiliated cloaks do not pass though gateway cloaks [11:00] i did identify. it changed my cloak from unaffiliated to the mibbit one :/ [11:00] Gary: oh. [11:00] also, remind me to never do a /ban in an ubuntu channel again :'( [11:00] it scrolled up for ages! [11:01] can someone create an exception for me or something? :< [11:01] Hobbsee: is porncake a bot? and no /whois doesnt say it is [11:02] PFA: only by removing the mibbit ban, unless you got a project cloak quick [11:02] gnomefreak: no idea? [11:02] Gary: are there any projects that give out cloaks? [11:02] with no effort? [11:02] * Hobbsee is suprised the floodbots don't do -offtopic? [11:02] unaffiliated is about it for freenode [11:02] * PFA cries [11:02] Hobbsee: of course they dont [11:02] i just wanna talk in #ubuntu-offtopic [11:03] Hobbsee: they do only one channel per time [11:03] they do in #ubuntu, i thought [11:03] PFA: are you banned from there? [11:03] * gnomefreak cant remember command [11:04] gnomefreak: no. [11:04] gnomefreak: it's +e [11:04] PFA: than why cant you talk in there? [11:04] Hobbsee: no for bot [11:04] gnomefreak: cause im using mibbit [11:04] ah [11:04] which is banned [11:04] PFA: than you are banned [11:04] PFA: not you but generally you are [11:04] well yeah [11:05] but it's like a host banned, not ME SPECIFICALLY banned [11:05] i wanna talk there :< [11:05] * gnomefreak wonders why it was set [11:05] gnomefreak: abuse. [11:05] * Myrtti tries [11:05] gnomefreak: just grant her an exception, surely? [11:05] from the whole host? [11:06] Hobbsee: Myrtti is trying i think [11:06] Myrtti: that should do it [11:06] PFA: try now? [11:06] if not, use a standard *!*@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d42d974dc048d792 [11:06] omg [11:06] HTH, HAND [11:06] thank you so much [11:06] as long as PFA doesnt change hostmasks she should be fine ;) [11:07] * PFA hugs Myrtti [11:07] x-d42d974dc048d792 needs to stay the same [11:07] PFA: holler me when you're done at -ot [11:07] I'll remove the exception and reinstate it again when you need it [11:07] oh +e doesnt stay? [11:07] ah [11:07] it does [11:07] but I'd rather not keep exceptions for long time [11:08] so it doesn't become a "habit" [11:08] Myrtti: okay, i'll try to remember [11:08] i'm a bit tipsy :X but yeah. thank you very much <3 [11:08] np :-P [11:09] * Myrtti considers making another pot of espresso [11:09] * gnomefreak could use some right about now [11:09] Myrtti: meh, we just ran out of coffee here :'( [11:09] Myrtti, a third pot? [11:09] elkbuntu: nope, second [11:09] i thought you already made the second [11:09] I got sidetracked [11:10] ah [11:10] photographed the pot, fed pigses [11:10] etc [11:10] i have plenty of coffee but i cant drink any now [11:10] pigses? [11:11] Gary: guinea pigs [11:11] awwwww [11:11] pics [11:11] plural for pigs in Myrtti-speak [11:11] Gary: mind setting up my bot with a hostmask? [11:12] gary is staff too? [11:12] Flannel: can you get it to ask me in pm? [11:12] gnomefreak: ya [11:12] I'm... not sure. I haven't had much luck with ircquote. I can always log on in another irssi window though. [11:13] i go away for a couple of months and paul is no longer staff and thier were a bunch of people added to staff [11:13] gnomefreak: all change eh [11:13] Flannel: whats the bots name? [11:13] LikeTotally [11:13] * Flannel waits for ensuing ridicule. [11:15] Flannel: cloaked, I confirmed that it was on the same connection as you, i'd rather have the bot ask normally though [11:16] Gary: I'd love to have it ask you, to be honest. [11:17] but your bot skills suck? :p [11:17] I just can't find *any* documentation on ircquote except that it exists. [11:17] so, sure :) [11:17] hehe [11:17] no problem, it's done [11:17] Aye. Thanks. [11:20] I am banned from #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, and #ubuntu-offtopic, can someone please unban me? [11:21] smallfoot-: I believe someone recommended you come back in a week or so. [11:22] Well, they recommend me to come back every single day... [11:22] i doubt that [11:22] "Come back later"; "Come back tomorrow", "Come back in a few hours", "Come back next week" [11:23] smallfoot-: No, I believe it was "come back in at least a week" with the assumption of that would be significant time for you to read up on Ubuntu channel guidelines, the code of conduct, and freenode policies so we wouldn't have any more trouble. [11:23] i read those things 1000 times [11:24] smallfoot-, you still need to wait out the week [11:24] smallfoot-: When did you read them 1000 times? [11:24] "Thou shall not create channels of your own that belong to a certain project under the namespace rule" [11:24] idk, always [11:24] well, i just didnt think of that [11:25] its easy to forget it [11:25] then you havent read the rules enough [11:25] smallfoot-: Its not just about "reading" its about learning and absorbing. [11:25] yeah, thats the difficult part [11:25] smallfoot-: reading the words means nothing unless you're actually paying attention to what you've read [11:25] smallfoot-: i said a week. [11:26] smallfoot-: not a day. [11:26] ok [11:26] did you fail to understand the first time? [11:26] yes [11:26] smallfoot-: I suggest you take the suggestion of taking a week off to learn the rules and guidelines that we all follow. And then after that time, theoretically we won't have any more problems. [11:26] then learn this time, as if you come back again, before next saturday, it'll be a two-week ban from whenever you come back. [11:26] well, i want to get unbanned from ubuntu+1 channel now, because i have 8.10 and i wont tell them what is broken so they can nkow and fix it [11:26] understood? [11:27] hmm, thats no good [11:27] demanding does not work at all. [11:27] well, its unfair i have to wait until next saturday, because i already waited some time now [11:27] perhaps you should have thought of that before you disobeyed the rules, then. [11:27] smallfoot-: fyi, you're probably also looking at a permanent ban, if you don't reform. [11:27] !forum [11:27] The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums. [11:28] if you desperately need help. i'd advise not breaking the rules there either. [11:28] if you ban me permanently, i can never help the people in #ubuntu, and i cant report bug in #ubuntu+1, so it will be bad and not good release [11:29] you dont report bugs in +1 [11:29] launchpad is where you report bugs [11:29] then what ppl do in +1? [11:29] if you can't follow the rules repeatedly, you're not welcome there, no matter what else you do. [11:29] troubleshoot [11:29] help out with the current development release. [11:30] * Hobbsee leaves smallfoot- to his time wasting [11:30] * Hobbsee --> dinner [11:30] Nafallo, how? by talking? [11:31] smallfoot-: ehrm. this is IRC dude... how about writing text to each other? :-) [11:31] idk [11:31] that helps out the develkopment release? [11:33] smallfoot-, you are wasting time by persisting with dialog in this channel, when you have been told to go away and come back in an entire week's time. [11:33] * Myrtti gives Nafallo a lollipop [11:34] oooh [11:34] one week is long time [11:34] i get angry [11:34] oh noes [11:34] how can we live with THAT [11:34] this is unfair, if i was the boss guy, then nobody could banned me, and i could ban them [11:35] ... [11:35] who made the people in #ubuntu-ops become boss guy of all rooms? === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [11:35] we earned our roles. you havent. [11:35] oh [11:35] smallfoot-: this isn't supermario bros where you can win the game by beating out the boss enemy [11:35] well, im sick of getting banned, and picked on, i want to be a boss guy too, so nobody can ban me from the rooms [11:36] smallfoot-, /join ##smallfoot [11:36] smallfoot-: well, you're moving further and further away from that goal [11:36] the ops in this channel are not on a power trip, they are here to assist effective communications in the channels they operate [11:36] elkbuntu, yeah i created my own room so i could be the boss guy, but then they stole my channel from me, and banned me [11:36] smallfoot-, what channel did you make? [11:36] elkbuntu, #ubuntu-social [11:37] you stole our name for your channel? how rude! [11:37] smallfoot-: you aren't allowed to make a channel with #ubuntu in the name [11:37] smallfoot-: that will be taken down most likely [11:37] elkbuntu, no i didnt, because nobody owns ubuntu, it belongs to all, because its communism [11:37] says who [11:37] says you. [11:37] idk [11:37] ubuntu is a trademarked name [11:37] well, why they steal it from africa and trademark it? [11:38] smallfoot-: yes conaical owns it we had a meeting about it maybe a year ago [11:38] canonical even [11:38] think if i trademark "hi" then you can never say it? [11:38] it's common language. ubuntu isnt even in the language it's from. [11:39] canonical should invent an own word like bododbulu instead of stealing an african word, did they ask the africa ppl if they could take ubuntu from them? [11:39] smallfoot-: you might want to read up on what trademarks are to begin with. you're on deep water when you discuss things you don't know about as if you had authority. [11:39] oh [11:39] trademark law is tricky, but you have to face that canonical has trademarked ubuntu. [11:40] plus, calling ubuntu communism is a serious faux pas. [11:40] oh [11:40] my friend said it was commisum, because its free and you share it [11:40] ohhohhoh. [11:40] your friend hasnt a clue about communism [11:40] and thats why russia and china likes it, but usa only lieks microsoft [11:40] because communists share things, doesnt mean everyone who shares this is a communist [11:41] russia is heading that way again but is not communist fully [11:41] smallfoot-: this is going nowhere [11:41] school children are all taught to be communists then, apparently. [11:41] this is political and so not appropriate for here [11:41] ok [11:41] I've got a weird feeling [11:41] now you are just wasting time, I'd advise to read up on trademark law, ubuntu with regards to computing, software and operating systems belongs to canonical, same as apple in the same context belongs to apple inc [11:41] Flannel, oh noetry. [11:42] smallfoot-: just out of curiosity... and don't answer if you don't feel its comfortable... [11:42] smallfoot-: how old are you? [11:42] 12 [11:42] Gary: freenode shouldnt allow registration of #ubuntu channels for anything other than official reasons [11:42] elkbuntu: Is that "oh no"-etry? or something else that is completely over my head? [11:42] Flannel, toothpastefordinner [11:42] non registered channel should still be shut down by hand [11:43] the above is IMO [11:43] smallfoot-: come back in a week [11:43] gnomefreak: it'd be hard to stop the channels being registered, but once reported we can ensure they are passed to the proper group contact [11:43] well, then they should have said "I am sorry to inform you sir, but you have a channel which violates the naming policy, would you like me to rename it for you?" instead of "haha, pwnt!! BANNED!! NOW ITS MY CHANNEL!" [11:43] Gary: ah [11:43] because they banned me, and it was men [11:43] mean [11:44] smallfoot-: you cannot "rename" a channel, you can only drop it or forward it to another [11:44] smallfoot-: you are just giving them ideas [11:44] * Hobbsee can't believe this is *still* going [11:44] Hobbsee: me too [11:44] Hobbsee: just walk away [11:44] Gary, they should have forward it to ##ubuntu-social, instead of steal it and redirect it to their own [11:44] Myrtti: i'm about to - i only came back for something else [11:44] smallfoot-: but we already have #ubuntu-offtopic [11:44] now im not sure about rules on ## channels [11:44] gnomefreak, it's still rude. [11:44] Myrtti, yeah, but i was banned from it, so i wanted my own room where i was the boss [11:45] smallfoot-, why not ##smallfoot then? [11:45] elkbuntu: rude or against policy? [11:45] elkbuntu, because i want chat about ubuntu, not about me [11:45] gnomefreak, what sort of rules? [11:45] ##smallfoot-social [11:45] smallfoot-: that depends on what the group contact requests, since the #ubuntu* is under the control of the group contact, they can forward it to where they see fit [11:45] Dave2: ubuntu owns ubuntu name space [11:45] canonical owns it [11:45] gnomefreak, against our policy at least [11:45] so... [11:46] against tradmake policy [11:46] gnomefreak, ## channels are unofficial; policy states that people affiliated with the project cannot register a ## channel about it. [11:46] whatever they put in it [11:46] Dave2, trademark law gives the power of a cease and desist. [11:46] krhm [11:46] * Flannel has succesfully consumed a corndog. You all needed to know. [11:46] everybody is against me, they ban me from all rooms, when i create my own room so that im the boss guy, then people steal it from me and ban me, everyone is against me [11:46] another one to learn :( [11:46] I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not commenting on legal implications for this reason. [11:46] I believe this discussion has gone a bit far from the original point [11:47] smallfoot-: your way of putting things isn't raising empathy [11:47] why cant people stay with the "things" that are already made [11:47] smallfoot-: word *steal* and *against* are a bit strong [11:47] well if they werent against me, they wouldnt ban me. if they didnt steal my channel, i would still have it, but i dont [11:47] smallfoot-: the people who you alledge *stole* from you and are *against* you are present on this channel, if I'm not wrong [11:48] smallfoot-: no, you wouldn't have that channel [11:48] smallfoot-: no matter what [11:48] smallfoot-: the name of it is against the naming policy, period [11:48] smallfoot-: no buts [11:48] smallfoot-: yuou have wrong idea. WE dont steal channels freenode drops the channel do to trademark laws [11:49] Flannel, http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/022005/bad-poetry.gif [11:49] WE ban you for not following the rules and guidelines in #ubuntu channels. you had broke them that is why you were banned. If you ask oftem to remove it the banner will only make it longer [11:49] elkbuntu: thanks, Ive been looking. google wasn't helping. [11:50] Flannel, toothpastefordinner isnt very google-friendly [11:50] yummy, toothpaste for dinner :( [11:50] i want mouthwash for dinner [11:50] thats like when my dad beats me, and he says if i cry, he will beat me more [11:50] oh yay [11:50] now were going into this direction [11:51] smallfoot-, that's an issue for you and a trusted adult to deal with. completely unrelated to this. [11:51] smallfoot-: so far you've not shown any signs of understanding the rules [11:51] smallfoot-: If you followed the rules to begin with, you'd never be banned in the first place. Come back in a week. [11:51] Myrtti, maybe im not so good at understanding things, its not my fault [11:51] however, i suspect it's probably wise that you be accompanied by an adult at all times on the internet, so they can guide you to proper behaviour. [11:51] elkbuntu: ... [11:52] smallfoot-, where in the world are you anyway? [11:52] Sweden [11:52] hey, how can you know this? i have secret cloak [11:52] im not so sure the above statment follows outside USA [11:53] gnomefreak, i didnt say it was law. [11:53] smallfoot-: how many 12 years old speaks Swedish? :-) [11:53] smallfoot-: cloaks do not make you invisable [11:53] i dont know [11:53] elkbuntu: neither did i [11:53] oh [11:53] the one harry potter have does [11:53] statement [11:53] they say it everywhere on tv in the US [11:54] gnomefreak, ps. you can change number of virtual desktop if you use metacity, but not if you have compiz on [11:54] to be honest [11:54] thought it was other way around since i couldnt find it [11:54] I find it hard to believe you are 12 [11:55] ESPRESSO!!!!11 [11:55] * gnomefreak thought a bit older like 16-18ish [11:55] but im not good at guessing ages [11:56] smallfoot-, you've been told to come back in a week. i'd advise you take the guidelines away and have an adult explain them to you if you're having difficulty understanding them. in a week's time you can come back and show how much you've learned. [11:56] ok [11:56]