[00:22] <kahrytan> Aloha
[00:22] <crimsun> hola
[00:22] <kahrytan> crimsun»  You try ibex in vbox?
[00:22] <crimsun> I ran it for a week or so on another laptop
[00:23] <kahrytan> crimsun»  http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/vboxkernelpanic.png
[00:23] <crimsun> mostly for install/upgrade/downgrade/deinstall testing
[00:24] <kahrytan> crimsun»  Livecd kernel panics
[00:25] <gluer__> acer extensa 5620z way to unpredictable with intrepid, testing halted
[00:25] <gluer__> lol
[00:25] <kahrytan> i thought acer was good for linux
[00:25] <gluer__> yes but is linux good for acer?
[00:26] <kahrytan> gluer»  try freebsd
[00:26] <gluer__> ive got 10 or 11 different laptops here, just testing each with intrepid
[00:27] <kahrytan> gluer»  I test with vbox
[00:28] <gluer__> once i get the laptop working with intrepid..i move on to the next one
[00:28] <gluer__> lol
[00:28] <kahrytan> gluer»  and the kernel panics with desktop cd. Livecd, Install, and Check for defects dont work
[00:28] <gluer__> its my hobby and it drives my wife crazy!!
[00:29] <gluer__> hehehe
[00:29] <kahrytan> gluer»  thats because she would rather you spend time doing other stuff :wink:
[00:29] <gluer__> she is so sick of hearing the gui login sound that she forces me to turn sound off
[00:29] <gluer__> lol
[00:30] <kahrytan> gluer__» I'm sick of that sound
[00:30] <kahrytan> You would think by now, they would change that ubuntu start sund
[00:31] <kahrytan> sound
[00:31] <gluer__> there is a nice sound theme on gnome i changed my desktop to.. its called dream or something
[00:31] <kahrytan> My fav startup sound of all time is embedded in the firmware of every comp made by this one company
[00:31] <kahrytan> its become a trademark of this one comp
[00:31] <gluer__> lol
[00:32] <gluer__> at least its not the damn xp logo..man i built over 20000 desktops with that logo
[00:33] <kahrytan> gluer»  what sound am i talking about
[00:33] <gluer__> you tell me
[00:33] <kahrytan> gluer»  mac startup sound
[00:33] <gluer__> oh
[00:33] <gluer__> hehe
[00:34] <kahrytan> short, sweet and to the point
[00:35] <gluer__> in relation to our discussion this is quite humerous http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt1bgsvsWms
[00:35] <gluer__> hehe
[00:39] <kahrytan> lol
[00:39] <gluer__> hahaha
[00:39] <gluer__> make me laugh everytime
[00:40] <kahrytan> I was expecting everyone to clap at the end
[00:40] <gluer__> lol
[00:40] <kahrytan> if they did, video would be funnier
[00:41] <gluer__> yes
[00:42] <kahrytan> But ubuntu needs new start sound
[00:43] <DanaG> I use the really short "logout" sound as the log-IN sound.
[00:43] <kahrytan> I wonder if Ubuntu live cd has enough room for 3-5mb more.
[00:43] <kahrytan> It would be interesting if Canonical could do deals with indie music artists and add one song to music player
[00:44] <daekdroom> lol
[00:44] <crimsun> quite a few people actually use dapper's startup sound in hardy
[00:45] <kahrytan> daekdroom»  whats funny
[00:45] <gluer__> how about an ibex mating call? as sound?
[00:45] <daekdroom> kahrytan, I, trying to imagine ubuntu coming with one free indie song when you open rhythmbox
[00:46] <kahrytan> gluer»  just as long as it's not the peacock mating song
[00:46] <daekdroom> but that's because of my odd sense of humor
[00:46] <gluer__> someone go to africa and record one on DAT
[00:46] <gluer__> lol
[00:46] <daekdroom> I'm kinda sure there might be some Ibex mating sounds in CC..
[00:47] <kahrytan> gluer»  peacock, http://youtube.com/watch?v=9MhZPqHeEAQ
[00:48] <gluer__> hahahahahaha
[00:48] <kahrytan> gluer»  now imagine hearing that every single day and night
[00:48] <kahrytan> over and over again
[00:48] <gluer__> kayhrytan: thanks mate, you just found me the perfect alarm clock for my wife
[00:49] <aguitel> how is running intrepid?
[00:49] <kahrytan> gluer»  it is my alarm clock
[00:50] <kahrytan> gluer» There is peacocks around this condo building. they quieted down a bit.. mating season seems to be over. but i wanted to kill them
[00:51] <gluer__> the ibex are quite aggresive
[00:51] <gluer__> 1 minute into this clip might be a good sound http://youtube.com/watch?v=956NMeTNWrY
[00:53] <kahrytan> Alpha male thing
[00:53] <gluer__> yeh
[00:54] <kahrytan> debian testing is done downloading
[00:55] <gluer__> kahrytan: i have a similar problem with my neighbours dogs barking, only thing that seems to work is 'red hot chilli peppers' californication for some reason they go quiet
[00:56] <kahrytan> Debian test works in vbox but not Ibex Alpha 3
[00:56] <kahrytan> Ibex Alpha 1 works in vbox but not 2 and 3 apparently
[00:57] <daekdroom> Alpha 2 does work
[00:57] <daekdroom> It's just random
[00:57] <gluer__> well i can install alpha 1 -2 but not alpha 3
[00:57] <daekdroom> You can boot now, but not in the next 2 tries
[00:57] <daekdroom> Or was it alpha 1? I can't remember xD
[00:57] <SergeantPony> does anyone know how to tone down the system tracker so it doesn't use 14 gig of hard drive space?
[00:57] <kahrytan> daekdroom» i tried repeatedly with alpha 3 with desktop cd
[00:59] <kahrytan> daekdroom» alpha 1 had weird screen flashes in vbox
[01:00] <kahrytan> They wont be using that ugly dark colored theme in Ibex will they?
[01:00] <gluer__> yes
[01:00] <daekdroom> They won't
[01:00] <kahrytan> http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/?action=view&current=Screenshot-1.png
[01:00] <daekdroom> They are testing dark schemes only
[01:01] <kahrytan> They need to change icon theme
[01:01] <daekdroom> Why? I think it's perfect.
[01:01] <kahrytan> metacity, i can live with  but human icon theme. its starting to grate thin on me
[01:02] <kahrytan> human icons arent modern anymore
[01:02] <daekdroom> but the damn human icon theme didn't change! O.o
[01:02] <daekdroom> I'm beginning to think Ubuntu is getting deprecated.
[01:02] <daekdroom> They aren't even updating their GTK engine
[01:03] <gluer__> i think overall the desktop theme is severely lagging behind the compiz stuff
[01:03]  * DanaG uses this theme:
[01:03] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[01:04] <SergeantPony> nice
[01:04]  * JontheEchidna grabs screenshot
[01:04] <daekdroom> DanaG, Is that icon theme tangerine?
[01:04] <daekdroom> Damn
[01:04] <daekdroom> too late
[01:04] <daekdroom> nvm
[01:04] <daekdroom> DanaG, Is that icon theme tangerine?
[01:05] <kahrytan> i use these icons, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Elementary+Icons?content=73439
[01:07] <kahrytan> http://www.elementary-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/screenshot.jpg
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7827/desktopgm9.png
[01:07] <DanaG> I do use Tangerine.
[01:08]  * JontheEchidna made that Plasma theme
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[01:08] <kahrytan> last time i tried kde4. it crashed when I try kde3 classic theme
[01:09] <gluer__> me to
[01:09] <gluer__> crashed
[01:09] <daekdroom> I think the fact KDE4 doesn't have desktop icons is a regression :x
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> It does, folderview
[01:10] <DanaG> Yeah... but it can't fill the desktop nicely.
[01:10] <DanaG> YOu can't fill the whole desktop with it... and you can't even resize the damn thing from the corners.
[01:10] <laga> you can't resize your desktop either ;)
[01:11] <DanaG> On Nautilus, the icons fill the desktop.
[01:11] <DanaG> They're not in a draggable window thingy.
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> it's a workable compromise until 4.2
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> better than icons in 4.0
[01:12]  * DanaG wishes VirtualBox would use QT4.
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> Qt4 is nice
[01:12] <DanaG> Oh, and Amarok 2 (amarok-kde4) sucks compared to the old one.
[01:12] <DanaG> You can't right-click and "add folder to playlist"
[01:12]  * DanaG sticks with QuodLibet instead.
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> just drag the folder over to the playlist?
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> unless you mean you can't do it from dolphin or konqueror
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> in that case that's not amarok's fautl
[01:14] <kahrytan> KDE4 and Vista have something in common
[01:14] <kahrytan> They both werent ready for release.
[01:15] <DanaG> Dragging is bad for accessibility.
[01:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, speaking of dragging....
[01:15] <crimsun> DanaG: get your libc6 issue sorted?
[01:15] <DanaG> try dragging the column headers in Dolphin, to bring "type" to the left of "date"
[01:15] <DanaG> Yeah, the reboot fixed the ldconfig illegal instruction.
[01:15] <crimsun> ok.
[01:16] <DanaG> Must've been a fluke.  Download corruption, or disk corruption, or some oddity of CPU or RAM.
[01:16] <DanaG> It's on an older, not-guaranteed-stable laptop.
[01:16] <crimsun> nah, you just hit the corner case of libc6 upgrades
[01:16] <crimsun> it happens and isn't hardware-related
[01:17] <DanaG> Aah.
[01:18] <kahrytan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/238191 <--- who thinks thats nvidia issue ? (hardy bug)
[01:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have any of you used Hamachi?
[01:19] <DanaG> If I have two Hamachi clients behind the same router, and I try to ping one from the other, I get "destination host unreachable".
[01:20] <DanaG> I do think it's odd that the Intel NIC has so much more trouble with PulseAudio than the Broadcom does... even though the former connects at 54 megabits, and the latter at 16 or so.
[01:25] <crimsun> it's not that surprising
[01:28] <DanaG> Which? The Hamachi thing, or the network thing?
[01:30] <crimsun> the latter
[01:32] <DanaG> Hmm.
[01:33] <DanaG> Why's that?
[01:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and if Intel wireless is so much better for Linux..... why does it suck so badly?
[01:34] <crimsun> my experience has been that bcm performs better than iwl
[01:34] <crimsun> so it's not at all surprising that there's either interrupt hell or something else
[01:34] <crimsun> my only iwl machine runs gutsy, so it's not a good comparison
[01:37] <DanaG> I wonder how different WLAN and WWAN antennae (antennas?) are.  My next laptop will likely have two mini-PCIe slots, so I could stick one card of each type in the thing -- but the one in the WWAN card slot would need some sort of antenna.
[03:21] <DanaG> Oh heck, even VNC suffers from the crappiness of iwl.
[04:31] <DarkMageZ2> hey, i changed the screen resolution via the preferences > screen resolution to something that trips out xorg. since other user accounts are fine then i guess it's account specific. where does that tool store the setting?
[04:47] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: hi
[04:48] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: obconf and openbox cannot be installed simultaneosly
[04:48] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: can u fix this
[04:49] <murlidhar> the bug has already been registered in lauchpad
[04:51] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: libparser16 and librender16 is required by obconf and libparser21 and librender21 is required by openbox .  One cannot install both of these in a single machine due conflicting dependencies
[05:17]  * Hobbsee is not the personal fixing stone?
[05:17]  * Hobbsee wonders what happened to filing a bug.
[05:19] <crimsun> it appears to be 243795
[05:53] <crimsun> oh that's unfortunate.
[05:55] <crimsun> obconf 2.0.3-3 built on 5 june.  openbox 3.4.7.2-2 built on 13 june.
[05:55] <crimsun> thus, obconf built against an older openbox-dev.
[05:55] <crimsun> pretty trivial debdiff, really.
[06:02] <fyrestrtr> folks -- is there a problem with networkmanager 0.7.0 in that you cannot save custom profiles?
[06:03] <fyrestrtr> I did not see it posted at lp, so I was wondering if its something with the hardy port or maybe I need to click the buttons in the right order or something.
[06:08] <crimsun> Hobbsee: your wish is my command.  (bug 243795, debdiff included)
[06:09] <fyrestrtr> can anyone validate a bug for NetworkManager please?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: cool...but don't you have upload powers?
[06:11] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no, not since early this year.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> oh
[06:13] <RAOF> fyrestrtr: Where are you getting network-manager 0.7.0 from?  It's not in the official repositories, so it shouldn't have bugs reported against it.  At least Ubuntu bugs.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks, uploaded.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ~network-manager ppa?
[06:14] <crimsun> Hobbsee: thanks!
[06:14] <Hobbsee> you're welcome :)
[06:14] <fyrestrtr> RAOF: https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[06:14] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yeah, that was my guess.  But that's not the only possible option :)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> oh, true
[06:15] <fyrestrtr> so I shouldn't file bugs against that?
[06:15] <RAOF> fyrestrtr: Right.  So, not an Ubuntu package, so no launchpad bugs please.
[06:15] <fyrestrtr> hrmm ... isn't it a part of Ibex?
[06:15] <RAOF> No.
[06:15] <RAOF> If it doesn't come from archive.ubuntu.com or one of the mirrors, it's not a part of Ibex.
[06:16] <fyrestrtr> You mean it won't be included in Ibex ... ie, its not in the feature list?
[06:16] <DanaG> If you're wondering why I'm popping in and out repeatedly... it's because I'm mucking around with my router.
[06:16] <RAOF> That's a 3rd party PPA.  It's run by an Ubuntu dev, where he pushes experimental packages that may or may not make Ibex.
[06:16] <fyrestrtr> oh
[06:16] <fyrestrtr> !+ PPA
[06:17] <RAOF> fyrestrtr: I don't know whether n-m 0.7 will be included in Intrepid.  That depends on how released it is in a couple of weeks time, I'd guess.
[06:17] <fyrestrtr> I would like to recommend that it be included, as its quite an improvement over the current network manager.
[06:17] <fyrestrtr> ignoring the fact that I can't seem to save profiles in it.
[06:17] <crimsun> it's a pretty big regression for my hardware
[06:18] <crimsun> s/hardware/configuration/
[06:18] <fyrestrtr> oh?
[06:18] <RAOF> Seems to work OK for me, but it's new and substantially rewritten; I'm not surprised there are regressions.
[06:18] <fyrestrtr> I'm not sure what's the different in F9, but there it works without any hiccups.
[06:18] <RAOF> Also, some software doesn't seem particularly happy that my lappy has 2 IP addresses associated.
[06:21] <DanaG> wtf... my other computer disappeared from pulseaudio's devices.
[06:21] <DanaG> That's so lame.
[06:21] <DanaG> And service-discovery-applet still sees it.
[06:21] <DanaG> Now I have to quit my music player and kill and restart the local pulseaudio server.
[06:22] <DanaG> And Intel wireless is so sucky.
[06:24]  * DanaG is now compiling ipw3945 to see if it works any better than iwl3945.
[06:24] <RAOF> Who wants to try shiny new GNOME Do crack?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> \o/
[06:25] <RAOF> The do-core PPA now has packages of 0.5.97, the first of 3 beta releases leading up to the 0.6 that will be released in time for me to get it into intrepid :)
[06:26] <DanaG> Wow, it IS better.
[06:26] <DanaG> It's official: iwl3945 sucks.
[06:26] <DanaG> Does PulseAudio use a fixed port?
[06:27] <DanaG> I'd like to QoS it to high priority on my router.
[06:27] <fyrestrtr> DanaG: you just found that out now @ iwl3945 ?
[06:27] <crdlb> RAOF: ok, now rewrite it in vala
[06:27] <DanaG> No, I've known it for a while, actually.
[06:27] <crimsun> you can make PA use whatever you want it to.
[06:27] <DanaG> iwl3945 is t€h suck.
[06:27] <RAOF> crdlb: Because the goal is always to compile to C :P
[06:27] <crimsun> nc, stunnel, ssh, whatever.
[06:29]  * RAOF gets mad karma filing obvious bugs against the new Do.
[06:30] <crdlb> RAOF: yep, that is always the goal :)
[06:35] <fyrestrtr> has the new visual theme been decided yet?
[06:35] <fyrestrtr> I was disappointed it wasn't released with hardy
[06:44] <DanaG> Wow, if I use the broadcom card with my router, and have the router set to use some specific tcp congestion-avoidance algorithm (I don't remember which), I get far far better behavior than with the Intel card, even at its best.
[06:45] <DanaG> Far better.
[06:50] <DanaG> Is there a standard port pulseaudio sends its audio data over, for those tunnel sinks?  I don't want to give up the zeroconf-ness of it to get a fixed port number.
[06:58] <DanaG> from an old pre-zeroconf bug report: " I'd also vote for this, or maybe just improved error handling when a tunnel goes down.   The only reason I've been using pulseaudio is to be able to seemlessly switch between local audio and remote network audio without having to restart applications.  This seems to work pretty well w/ a local sink and a tunnel sink...   But, if the link goes down for any reason, I have to restart the local pulsea
[06:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah: http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/69
[06:59] <DanaG> Airport Express support.... any chance of seeing that in Intrepid?
[07:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is there an app that'll show bandwidth usage of various applications?
[07:06] <RAOF> DanaG: How'd you like to package up the GData.NET libraries for me?
[07:06] <DanaG> huh?
[07:07] <RAOF> Get packaging!  Chop chop!
[07:07] <DanaG> Can't say I even know what GData.NET is.
[07:07] <RAOF> Google's .NET API.
[07:07] <DanaG> I'd offer up my CPU time for distcc... but my internet connection speed would probably make it slower than local.
[07:09] <RAOF> Why is your network so crap?
[07:10] <osmosis> how can I install just a single packages from intrepid? (Im on hardy)
[07:12] <DanaG1> ... and that last dropout.... totally random.  And I even got a little freeererererereererererereeze in audio like that.  Oh, I see... it was an "IRQ 17: Nobody cared"
[07:12] <DanaG> that repeating is a sound effect... trying to convey the impression of a repeating sound.
[07:13] <RAOF> osmosis: Generally, you don't.  It's a bad idea.
[07:13] <DanaG> Aah.... and the cardbus slot and my Intel card share an IRQ.
[07:13] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:14] <DanaG> iwl3945 gives me nice dropouts of multiple seconds.
[07:14] <DanaG> Pulseaudio through iwl3945?  FOrget it, it doesn't work.
[07:14] <osmosis> RAOF: I need a newer version of the KVM binary. The one in hardy is ancient!  And all the updates have been nearly all bug fixes. http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/ChangeLog  But no updates are going to be applied to hardy,..only patches. Since the hardy current one if obsolete and my kvm guests hosts are crashing, I need to get a newer KVM.
[07:15] <RAOF> osmosis: Do you also need the kernel modules?
[07:16] <RAOF> osmosis: Also, it's not particularly ancient; it's a couple of months old :)
[07:18] <osmosis> RAOF: thats what I would have thought, but everytime I try and report a crash to #kvm, they all just tell me it is an old issue that was long ago fixed.
[07:18] <RAOF> Right; that's why you should be reporting to launchpad :)
[07:18] <osmosis> and the only suggestion is to upgrade
[07:18] <DanaG> hmm, new in Intel wireless drivers: packet injection for iwl3945.
[07:18] <osmosis> RAOF: did.
[07:19] <DanaG> Hmm, anything interesting-but-not-malicious I should try doing with it?
[07:19] <RAOF> osmosis: Right; so, this is a problem.
[07:19] <osmosis> RAOF: my reports to launchpad fall upon deaf ears. I got a response that said, "sorry, we can't duplicate."   Well yah, I cant duplicate it either. Its random crashes.
[07:20] <RAOF> osmosis: So, you can try building the Intrepid package against Hardy; that'll give you the binary & a way to build the new kernel module.
[07:20] <osmosis> RAOF: and thats for the ones where I have clear error messages!
[07:20] <osmosis> argh, im screwed with KVM. I should have stayed with Xen.
[07:20] <RAOF> You could also ask for a backport
[07:20] <RAOF> !backports
[07:21] <osmosis> i got no way to fix this, and my hosts are crashing. I thought KVM was going to be officially supported?!  Yah, backports. Thats a great idea.
[07:21] <RAOF> Hm.  kvm _is_ in main.
[07:22] <osmosis> RAOF: yah, its in the official server docs too. Its just not really maintained. Its out of date, and not many patches have been applied to it.  The docs are rather incomplete. Quite depressing.
[07:23] <RAOF> osmosis: Well, out of date is expected; the presumption is no new versions after a release.
[07:23] <RAOF> osmosis: Maybe it shouldn't be in main if the development is so fast, though.
[07:24] <osmosis> RAOF: yah, just one of those strange cases where the "stable" version of software is less stable then the "edge" version. And the edge version is more stable then the stable.  I hate it when that happens.
[07:29] <osmosis> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/252257
[07:30] <RAOF> It would be excellent if you could test that the backport works; there should be instructions on the !backports page.
[07:31] <osmosis> RAOF: you mean like use the package from intrepid ?
[07:31] <RAOF> I mean: check that the package from intrepid builds on Hardy, installs on Hardy, and works on Hardy.
[07:32] <osmosis> RAOF: cool. That brings me to, how do I get the kvm package from intrepid ?
[07:32] <osmosis> usually i would look for it on  http://packages.ubuntu.com/  , but the site is down
[07:32] <RAOF> I'd suggest the 'prevu' package is likely a good start; I'm not sure how much that does, though.
[07:36] <RAOF> Failing that, you can grab the source from launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm
[07:40] <Laney> prevu will grab the source and build a .deb from it
[07:42] <osmosis> Laney: how do I use prevu?  I installed it, did  DISTRO="hardy" prevu-init
[07:42] <Laney> !prevu > me
[07:43] <osmosis> Laney: but when I do  prevu kvm,  it looks like its just rebuilding the hardy package. Not the latest from inrepid
[07:43] <osmosis> !prevu > me
[07:44] <Laney> osmosis: Try DIST=hardy prevu lp:kvm/intrepid
[07:45] <osmosis> Laney: looks like its working
[07:48] <osmosis> Laney:   Im a bit worried because i see in the version history for intrepid  "- Change kvm-data conflict/replaces version to 68+dfsg-1, to properly"   So it looks like there is a kvm-data  dep ?
[07:49] <Laney> osmosis: I don't know any of the specifics of kvm, sorry :(
[07:52] <osmosis> dpkg -i  worked fine
[07:53] <RAOF> You'll probably want to module-assistant the kvm kernel module, too.
[07:53] <osmosis> RAOF: not sure what that means. It appears I am using kvm-71 now though, and it is working fine.
[07:54] <RAOF> osmosis: The kvm package also builds a 'kvm-source' package that contains the source for the kernel module; you can build & install that by using the 'module-assistant' program.
[07:55] <osmosis> RAOF: ah, okay. I think I am going to hold off on that because I think most of the fixes I need are just in the kvm binary.
[07:56] <osmosis> RAOF: how can you tell it builds a kvm-source package ?
[07:56] <RAOF> Because I've touched the kvm package in the past; unless things have changed, it builds a kvm-source package :)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> would it be too much to ask to have working flash?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> or at least flash that wouldn't crash firefox?
[07:57] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yes.  You have a number of differently broken alternatives, though.
[07:58] <Hobbsee> which is the best?
[07:58] <RAOF> Hobbsee: There's swfdec, which seems to have problems embedding in firefox, and gnash, which crashes as soon as it tries to play video.
[07:58] <RAOF> I'd use swfdec; its problems are the least troubling.  You'll just get a bunch of extra windows.
[08:00] <osmosis> RAOF: its working for now. will let you ( and launchpad ) know how it goes. thanks, bye.
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hmm.
[08:02] <RAOF> swfdec will play Quaq quao, though.
[10:44] <Harde> Is open office 3 shipping with Ibex?
[10:44] <Harde> Right now?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> no
[10:51] <gnomefreak> not atm
[11:20] <Harde> I'm about to install it today. I mean Ibex
[11:49] <murlidhar> i am not able to log in with sudo accounts
[11:49] <murlidhar> only root login is workin
[11:49] <murlidhar> gdm fails to load
[11:50] <murlidhar> dbus daemon fails to load
[11:50] <murlidhar> do i have to reinstall intrepid
[11:50] <murlidhar> ?
[11:50] <murlidhar> using 8.04 to come here
[11:51] <murlidhar> intrepid was a custom install
[11:57] <plague> hello all - can I ask what a .mof file is and how I would find out whats in it using Hardy?
[11:57] <laga> plague: file /path/to/your/file.mof
[11:58] <bazhang> plague, you just asked about ibex in hardy channel
[12:00] <bazhang> plague, +1 is for 8.10 questions; #ubuntu for currently supported releases
[12:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, I've been banned for my Foxconn post
[12:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> so much for trying to help people
[12:12] <laga> what was the explanation?
[12:12] <laga> to be honest, that "foxconn is doing this intentionally to screw us poor linux users" thing was a bit extreme.
[12:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> multiple accounts, he listed 8, I only had one other, and the only reason it got banned was cause I explained the concept of ROOT to someone
[12:13] <AlmightyCthulhu> and it's implications
[12:13] <AlmightyCthulhu> he's a jerk
[12:13] <AlmightyCthulhu> I used stronger language to describe Kwinz and p_quarles on my blog though
[12:14] <AlmightyCthulhu> where I even posted a screenshot of the message they left for me
[12:14] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, please come to #ubuntu-ops
[12:34] <Sonicadvance1> Anyone else getting bad video in the Flash Beta?
[12:35] <Sonicadvance> http://bdo.ktserv.com/Users/Sonicadvance1/FlashBadVideo.png example of the "faulty" video
[12:36] <Sonicadvance> Black pixels around the person, usually it's much worse then that, but that's just an example I got
[12:36] <Sonicadvance> It seems to only happen with Youtube videos with what I see
[15:06] <bopferman> I am trying to install Intrepid Alpha 3 in a VM and it keeps failing.  I just got a kernel panic -- not syncing, Code: Bad EIP value
[15:07] <laga> in virtualbox?
[15:07] <bopferman> yes
[15:08] <laga> bopferman: if your CPU is new enough, you can enable VT-x mode as a workaround
[15:08] <bopferman> its not :(
[15:09] <laga> :(
[15:10] <bopferman> I guess ill have to wait for a release that will boot then
[15:10] <laga> i wonder if this a known problem in launchpad
[15:15] <bopferman> It is a known bug :( 246067
[15:22] <Finnish_> What is the easiest way to upgrade? I did a dist upgrade and my boot locks up in "starting up"-screen? Did I do something wrong? (I'm just experimenting with this old desktop)
[15:22] <Finnish_> Latest number in kernel is 20, it lock ups. 19 works ok
[15:26] <Hobbsee> boot without the splash screen?
[16:51] <Sylphid> dunno if this is the best place to ask (if not could you point me in the right direction) but is intel turbo memory utilized in either hardy or intrepid?
[17:10] <bazhang> Sylphid, not in linux yet (or at least ubuntu) yet
[17:11] <AlmightyCthulhu> bug 252354
[17:11] <AlmightyCthulhu> this is a freaking STUPID compile time option for the desktop kernel
[17:11] <AlmightyCthulhu> no desktop has Calgary
[17:12] <Sylphid> thanks bazhang
[17:12] <bazhang> np
[17:14] <AlmightyCthulhu> bazhang: PM?
[17:15] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, sure
[17:22] <alexurc1> Hello, I just got an ipod shuffle, what program do I use to put music on it
[17:23] <LSD|Ninja> gtkpod?
[17:23] <alexurc1> ok ill try that
[17:59] <Finnish> I upgraded to Ibex, but I'm having a GDM-error during boot. What's this?
[17:59] <LSD|Ninja> Finnish: How'd you upgrade?
[18:00] <Finnish> Upgrading via update manager
[18:03] <Finnish> The error was about some user and group rights
[18:03] <LSD|Ninja> Oh, not what I was thinking of then
[18:04] <LSD|Ninja> I had problems with the greeter a while back but it's all good now
[18:09] <Finnish> Oh, I booted in recovery-mode, and after that (when I went back to normal boot) it booted normally
[18:50] <UnNaturalHigh> hi guys
[18:50] <UnNaturalHigh> I was curious if anyone here knows how to change the default cpu governor from ondemand to conservative?
[19:08] <AlmightyCthulhu> yeah, use the CPU Frequency applet
[19:16] <UnNaturalHigh> umm, ondemand makes my music skip
[19:16] <UnNaturalHigh> conservative does not
[19:16] <UnNaturalHigh> and seems to work better on my laptop, does anyone know away to adjust the default setting?
[19:28] <bopferman> Hello, is there a way to upgrade from hardy to intrepid alpha 3?
[19:28] <LSD|Ninja> bopferman: update-manager -d whould take you through the steps
[19:29] <bopferman> thank you
[20:53] <hou5ton> anyone know how I can get 8.10 to recognize a usb mass storage?
[20:54] <crimsun> generally or a specific model?
[20:56] <hou5ton> It says the name Antec on the outside ... it's a large USB external drive I use for all my file backups
[20:56] <crimsun> so what is the kernel spewing that it doesn't recognise the device?
[20:57] <hou5ton> crimsun:  don't know ... I'm not a developer and probably don't have any business trying 8.10 ... but Hardy refused to do wireless on this laptop, so I thought I'd just try something newer
[20:58] <hou5ton> crimsun:  just hoping to get lucky, I guess
[20:58] <hou5ton> but ... before I start working with the wireless on 8.10, I will need the usb external drive to show up
[20:59] <crimsun> I recommend you try the kernel and lbm from hardy-proposed before you tinker w/ 8.10 alpha 3
[20:59] <hou5ton> ok
[21:01] <hou5ton> crimsun:  so ... are you saying with the hardy-proposed the rtl 8185 wireless might work?
[21:02] <crimsun> you have to try it first.
[21:02] <hou5ton> ok
[22:22] <DanaG> Wow, I just had the Hardy system hard-lock, trying to view a qtvr file.
[22:22] <DanaG> The "savage" driver must not like qtvr.
[22:56] <Volkodav> is there nvidia drivers for inrepid ?
[22:56] <Unksi> yes
[23:17] <Volkodav> I did apt-cache search nvidia and what option do I go with?
[23:17] <Volkodav> I am on 64 bit though
[23:18] <RAOF> Volkodav: The restricted manager should install them for you now.
[23:19] <Volkodav> well I can not get to it since I am on 800x600 and hardly see half of screen
[23:19] <Volkodav> I'd rather do it from cli
[23:20] <inspyre> what needs work
[23:21] <Volkodav> what package do I need?
[23:23] <RAOF> Volkodav: That depends on your card.
[23:23] <Volkodav> It boots in low-graphics mode
[23:23] <Volkodav> 8400 GS
[23:23] <RAOF> Volkodav: nvidia-glx-177, then.
[23:23] <Volkodav> it works for 64 bit as well?
[23:26] <Volkodav> I'll try it anyway
[23:39] <Volkodav> I installed nvidia-glx-177 but it still defaults to nv
[23:40] <Sylphid> i have xchat installed which requires tk8.4 as a dependency however i need tk8.5 for homegrown scripts. how can I get xchat to not report as broken with tk8.5 installed instead of tk8.4?
[23:41] <Sylphid> oop.. wrong channel... muh bad
[23:44] <G_009> DBus is faulty
[23:44] <DanaG> Great, stupid flash crashes... and spams my desktop with nspluginwrapper windows.
[23:45] <DanaG> Now I have like 20 of them around.
[23:45] <DanaG> Flash seriously needs to go DIAF (die in a fire).
[23:46] <inspyre> what do you think should replace it?
[23:46] <G_009> !gnash
[23:47] <inspyre> ya im for that. you think it will be good?
[23:47] <G_009> nah.. not for now.. and progress is very much slow on dev side
[23:47] <crimsun> swfdec works pretty well.
[23:48] <crimsun> DanaG: surely you're using some semblance of the pulse pcm+ctl routing?
[23:48] <crimsun> DanaG: (I presume you're running 8.10, that is)
[23:48] <inspyre> what about an open source flash
[23:49] <inspyre> i mean for making flash
[23:49] <DanaG> I'm using the alsa-to-pulse wrapper.
[23:50] <DanaG> so !default ctl and pcm are type pulse.
[23:51] <crimsun> DanaG: and you're using a Flash 10 beta?
[23:51] <crimsun> hopefully you're just running across the FF issue to be fixed in 3.0.2
[23:51] <DanaG> Version: 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1
[23:52] <DanaG> I'm also using nspluginwrapper, since otherwise my browser would be crashing. repeatedly.  repeatedly.  repeatedly.  repeatedly.   /me repeats himself every 2 pages.
[23:53] <crimsun> heh, I have better luck w/ 9.0.124.0 than with 10.0.0.525
[23:54] <DanaG> Yeah, at least 9 crashes only every third tab closure.
[23:54] <DanaG> Now it doesn't even take one.  It just crashes almost every time.