[00:01] <Flannel> PriceChild: mind pinging me in here?
[00:02] <PriceChild> Flannel: yes
[00:02] <Flannel> bother.
[00:04] <Flannel> PriceChild: mind doing it again?
[00:05] <PriceChild> Flannel: still yes
[00:06] <Flannel> Alright, thanks.
[01:34]  * elkbuntu reads the scrollback and takes the espresso pot away from myrtti
[01:41] <Mez> elkbuntu, lol
[01:41] <Mez> shes an addict
[02:02] <Flannel> nickrud: interesting
[02:02] <nickrud> ok, who's the ubottu expert here
[02:03] <Flannel> nickrud: We've had this problem in the past, it was fixed
[02:03] <Flannel> its becaue your parenthetial included "is"
[02:03] <Flannel> !install | cxo (not sure if pxe
[02:03] <Flannel> hmmm
[02:04] <nickrud> yeah, ok that's very lucky
[02:04] <nickrud> Flannel figured it was the is. I thought there was a rollback command for ubottu, but not needed I guess
[02:04] <Flannel> oops
[02:04] <Flannel> nickrud: http://jussi01.com/web/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=added%20DESC&page=0
[02:04] <Flannel> there it is
[02:05] <Flannel> definately a bug
[02:05] <nickrud> ubottu forget install | cxo (not sure if
[02:05] <nickrud> ok, this will be fun
[02:06] <Flannel> !search cxo
[02:06] <Flannel> !-install | cxo (not sure if pxe
[02:06] <Flannel> its an alias?
[02:07] <Flannel> !forget install | cxo (not sure if pxe
[02:07] <Flannel> !search cxo
[02:07] <Flannel> deleted!
[02:07] <nickrud> !search install
[02:07] <nickrud> hum, wonder why it liked !forget but not the ubottu forget.
[02:07] <Flannel> but, its definately a bug with the parser (which means its a regression)
[02:08] <Flannel> nickrud: you missed the pxe
[02:08] <nickrud> Flannel ah, that would be it
[02:09]  * nalioth hands nickrud a pxe
[02:10] <nickrud> probably wouldn't be helpful to file a bug against ubotu
[02:10] <Flannel> nickrud: the issue is because someone commmented out line 355, with 356 in its place.
[02:11] <Flannel> this is... the second edit like that that I've seen in my few days of looking at that plugin
[02:11] <nickrud> I'll take your word for it
[02:11] <Flannel> Mmm, that was nuked when they added the forwarding to here regarding factoids.
[02:21] <Flannel> bazhang: That wasn't even french.  odd.
[02:21] <bazhang> Flannel, yeah, weird. maybe creole :)
[02:21] <Flannel> Some regional one I guess, yeah.
[02:33] <nickrud> !forget channels | ubuntoo, here
[02:34] <nickrud> !forget ask | windowsuser (that
[02:34] <nickrud> !bunnies | ?
[02:48] <Flannel> !away > gardar`afk
[03:06] <AlgorithmicContr> I'm innocent!
[03:11] <Pici> o.O
[03:11] <nalioth> mmmmmmmkay
[03:12]  * Flannel takes partial responsibility for that.
[03:12] <Flannel> When you run virgin ubottu code, and someone tries to add a silly factoid and it tells them its being forwarded here, they get embarassed.
[03:13] <nickrud> some of the factoids we see here are worth being embarassed about
[03:18] <nalioth> in the olden days when anyone could add a factoid, some of them were k-line worthy
[03:21] <Flannel> yep
[04:55] <Flannel> Nice.  Only one person snagged.
[05:03] <nalioth> not sure why some peoples kids are manic like this
[05:03] <nalioth> the guys like clockwork
[05:03] <nalioth> or girl
[05:12] <Flannel> so many server questions.
[06:19] <bazhang> cre8torx
[06:25] <nickrud> I'm always amazed. My machine always Works for Me™
[06:27] <bazhang> is the fglrx just bad news?
[06:28] <nickrud> no, always works for me. What chip is he running? and has he used envy?
[06:28] <bazhang> radeon 9600
[06:28] <bazhang> he used the hardware drivers he said
[06:29] <nickrud> I'd look at his log file, but what's the issue? I've been helping a newbie in pm recently
[06:30] <bazhang> bad_hacker blank/black screen and freezing, though would think the freezing is unrelated
[07:15] <elkbuntu> jussi01, are you around?
[07:27] <jussi01> elkbuntu: in and out, whats up?
[07:33] <elkbuntu> jussi01, i'll PM
[07:44] <bazhang> no need to run envyng on kernel updates
[07:45] <nickrud> I read there was work on that, it was completed?
[07:45] <nickrud> I should probably subscribe to changes.
[07:46] <bazhang> yes; and going to be in linux-restricted-modules for ibex iirc
[07:47] <nickrud> I spend enough time in mail, what's one more?
[07:47] <bazhang> haha
[07:49] <wgrant> bazhang: NVIDIA and ATI drivers have been moved out of lrm for Intrepid.
[07:49] <bazhang> wgrant, aha thanks
[07:49] <bazhang> turns out bsims issue was unrelated to envyng
[07:51] <elkbuntu> wgrant, into linux-ewwyuck-modules?
[07:51] <wgrant> elkbuntu: Into their own packages using DKMS.
[07:52] <elkbuntu> you're using an acronym i do not recognise...
[07:52] <wgrant> !dkms
[07:52] <Flannel> Dynamic Kernel Module Support
[07:52] <wgrant> Bah.
[07:52] <elkbuntu> ah
[07:52] <bazhang> linux-here-there-be-dragons-modules
[07:52] <wgrant> I always forget what it stands for. Everybody just knows it by DKMS.
[07:52] <elkbuntu> !dkms is Dynamic Kernel Module Support
[07:53] <bazhang> !dkms
[07:54] <Flannel> !scope
[07:54] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/dkms
[07:55] <nickrud> you should add that, bazhang
[07:55] <bazhang> or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Tech/DKMS
[08:00] <jussi01> !no, dkms is <reply>DKMS is Dynamic Kernel Module Support. See https://edge.launchpad.net/dkms for more.
[08:00] <jussi01> !dkms
[08:03] <elkbuntu> driven by The Dell Team. interesting...
[08:05] <wgrant> s/edge.//
[08:06] <jussi01> oh yeah
[08:06] <wgrant> And they seem to have removed a lot of info from that page.
[08:06] <Flannel> !dkms ~= /edge\.//
[08:06] <Flannel> !dkms
[08:08] <wgrant> Dane.
[08:08] <wgrant> *Danke
[09:21] <genii> Just noticed a potential bug of the bot
[09:21] <genii> eg: mentioning  Ubuntu 606  and perhaps Ubuntu 704     maybe
[09:22] <genii> eg
[09:22] <Flannel> Yeah, thats a design decision
[09:23] <Tm_T> genii: it's like ubuntu 1
[09:24] <genii> Ubuntu 1         ? he asks
[09:25] <Flannel> asdfsadfsadf ubuntu 1
[09:25] <Flannel> asdfasdfsdfasdfasdf asdfasdfasdf Ubuntu 1
[09:25] <Flannel> ok, fine.
[09:25] <Tm_T> haha
[09:25] <Tm_T> ubottu: hug me
[09:25] <genii> Flannel: Anyhow, if by design then. Just thought some oddness about it
[09:25] <Flannel> There must be a minimum size for the number
[09:26] <Flannel> genii: Yeah, there's really no way to get around it, 606 and 704 (and all version numbers if concatted) are valid bug numbers
[09:26] <genii> OK
[09:26] <genii> Thanks for explaining
[09:26] <Flannel> And I doubt anyone wants to code a HMM into Ubuntu to get around it
[09:27] <Flannel> er, into ubottu
[09:27] <Tm_T> HMM ?
[09:27] <Tm_T> Hours Minutes Minutes?
[09:27] <Flannel> Hidden Markov Model
[09:27] <Tm_T> I see
[09:27] <Flannel> Basically diagraming the sentence based on probability
[09:28] <genii> Ah
[09:28] <Tm_T> Flannel: couldnt it use basic Stetson-Harrison?
[09:28]  * genii considers the Elizabottu
[09:28] <Flannel> Although even then, but "Ubuntu 606" the release and "Ubuntu 606" the bug are both nouns
[09:28] <Flannel> Tm_T: Did you know that 74% of all statistics are made up on the spot?
[09:28] <genii> hehe That can certainly get annoying as you see
[09:29] <Flannel> genii: Yeah, well, use the proper terminology, (Ubuntu 6.06) and it won't happen.
[09:29] <Tm_T> Flannel: I thought that statistic especially
[09:29] <genii> Ok OK
[09:29] <Flannel> genii: :)
[09:30]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee before he /parts
[09:31] <Flannel> hey, Tm_T, I just got done reading an article I found interesting.  Did you know that 58% of all statistics are made up on the spot?
[09:32] <Tm_T> Flannel: where's that spot?
[09:32] <Flannel> Tm_T: I'm not really sure.
[09:32] <Tm_T> article didn't mention?
[09:33] <Flannel> Unfortunately not.  But apparently 17% of people know where that spot is.
[09:33] <Tm_T> I bet Mez|Moving knows, because he have many spots in his socks
[09:37]  * jussi01 is about to start driving home... I hate long drives...
[09:37] <Tm_T> jussi01: mmmm, have a safe trip
[09:38] <jussi01> Tm_T: been working this weekend??
[09:38] <Tm_T> partly yes
[09:38] <Tm_T> have to make major housecleaning today and then work, if there's time left
[09:39] <jussi01> hehe
[09:46] <Flannel> Hey, anyone who has ops in -offtopic, starbyte should need it soon.
[09:53] <Flannel> mmmm.  Was that a netsplit?
[09:57]  * Myrtti has her first pot of espresso
[09:57] <Myrtti> good morning
[10:22] <elkbuntu> Flannel, no, SendQ
[10:26] <Flannel> elkbuntu: What causes sendQ, do you know?
[10:26] <elkbuntu> not a clue
[10:27] <elkbuntu> nal might know
[10:27] <elkbuntu> or any of the staffers. i'd assume they'd have more irc clue than us
[10:27] <Flannel> I know its caused by too much traffic, but what would it look like from the clientside? since I went up to 300s lag, and then my recon kicked in
[10:27] <Nafallo> http://www.irchighway.net/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=102
[10:28] <Flannel> Was wondering if it had to do with the person I had banned at the time, since an invite from her was the last thing I recieved
[10:29] <jussi01> grrr
[10:29] <jussi01> my usb sticks arent recognised anymore...
[10:30] <Dave2> Flannel, you split off before; it's not overly uncommon for people to get SendQ exceeded after rejoining after a split.
[10:31] <Flannel> ah, so netsplit, and then sendQ after the rejoin?
[10:31] <Dave2> (i.e. they split off, rejoin, then try to /who everyone and end up getting a SendQ exceeded)
[10:31] <Dave2> indeed
[10:31] <Flannel> Alright, that makes me feel better
[10:32] <Flannel> Ive gotten rid of /names on join for a number of reasons, butI don't doubt my queue was too big anyway
[10:32] <Dave2> Many clients /who channels as they join them
[10:34] <Dave2> I'm not sure if it'd actually be feasible for a third party to trigger a SendQ exceeded.
[10:36] <Flannel> Dave2: If there was a split, then that's what caused it.  It was just odd for me to have such a large lag spike
[10:37] <Flannel> but, that was the server hiccupping
[10:37] <Dave2> Indeed, I was just wondering if it would actually be feasible for a third party to directly trigger it.
[10:39] <Flannel> Only thing I could think of would be spamming stuff, a mini-DOS
[10:41] <Dave2> Even then I doubt it could trigger a SendQ exceeded, unless it had an extremely large collection of hosts, though I could be wrong.
[11:43] <jpds> tonyyarusso: -otr binaries have landed.
[11:43]  * Myrtti stabs her bum
[11:47]  * jpds hugs Myrtti 
[12:14] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, this is nice
[12:14] <AlmightyCthulhu> Where's Sparky at?
[12:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> you guys got a coffee machine in here?
[12:15] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, that is the wrong place to discuss it.
[12:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> what, in the open
[12:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> where people can see what you have done
[12:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> you don't like that much, do you?
[12:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> I've noticed this
[12:16] <Tm_T> AlmightyCthulhu: have you seen topic?
[12:16] <AlmightyCthulhu> you slowly assassinated me instead of jsut killing everything off
[12:16] <Myrtti> errr
[12:16] <Myrtti> what is this about?
[12:16] <AlmightyCthulhu> there'd have been some more splainin to do if every damned site around was linking to a dead end
[12:16] <AlmightyCthulhu> and I had an explanation of THAT
[12:17] <bazhang> he is banned in ot just checking about #u
[12:17] <Tm_T> I see
[12:17] <Myrtti> okies
[12:17] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, what name were you banned under? this one or baron1984
[12:17] <AlmightyCthulhu> baron1984
[12:17] <AlmightyCthulhu> my IP address never changes
[12:17] <AlmightyCthulhu> and btw, every customer of my ISP is behind this proxy
[12:18] <bazhang> @banlog baron1984
[12:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> so you've banned over 150,000 people
[12:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> potentially
[12:18] <Tm_T> AlmightyCthulhu: because of you?
[12:18] <Tm_T> AlmightyCthulhu: that's _your_ fault then, isn't it?
[12:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> yeah, they have their network set up weird
[12:18] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[12:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> not really
[12:19] <AlmightyCthulhu> I just would like an explanation of why you banned me for something so trivial
[12:19] <AlmightyCthulhu> in the first place
[12:19] <bazhang> ot, ubuntuforums and ubuntu
[12:19] <AlmightyCthulhu> on the forums
[12:19] <AlmightyCthulhu> as well
[12:19] <bazhang> no the channels
[12:20] <bazhang> #ubuntuforums
[12:21] <AlmightyCthulhu> so what have you just dumped into the room?
[12:21] <bazhang> @banlog Baron1984 #ubuntuforums
[12:21] <AlmightyCthulhu> yeah, Kwinz and p_quarles seem to be constipated or something
[12:21] <AlmightyCthulhu> I could bake them some chocolate cookies if you like?
[12:22] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, you should read the following documents:
[12:22] <bazhang> !coc | AlmightyCthulhu
[12:22] <bazhang> !guidelines | AlmightyCthulhu
[12:22] <AlmightyCthulhu> ask your moderators to read the first freaking sentence of that
[12:22] <AlmightyCthulhu> at their leisure
[12:23] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, you are not helping your case here.
[12:23] <AlmightyCthulhu> what? I'm telling the truth
[12:23] <AlmightyCthulhu> they see this as some kind of popularity contect
[12:23] <AlmightyCthulhu> *contest
[12:23] <AlmightyCthulhu> and so they fished for a reason to get rid of me
[12:24] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, the fact that such a wide cross-section of people find your behaviour objectionable points not to them as being the problem here.
[12:24]  * Myrtti doesn't get it
[12:24] <AlmightyCthulhu> what have I done? name something
[12:24] <AlmightyCthulhu> you still haven't
[12:25] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, there are tons of logs.
[12:25] <bazhang> that speak quite eloquently for themselves.
[12:27] <AlmightyCthulhu> ok, what exactly have I done lately?
[12:27] <AlmightyCthulhu> besides letting you leech off a bunch of free attention?
[12:27] <AlmightyCthulhu> by the way, you're welcome
[12:27] <Myrtti> I just love the snarly way of conversating
[12:27] <Myrtti> makes me not to want to participate more and more
[12:28]  * Myrtti goes to dress up
[12:28] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, at this point in time, you should read those documents and then come back at some later date as you seem ill-disposed to discuss this in a dispassionate manner
[12:28] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, when you are condescending, it gives me gas
[12:29] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, best is to part now and come back at some later date when you are ready to discuss in a rational manner.
[12:29] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'll probably think this is stupid and petty, about as much as I do now
[12:29] <AlmightyCthulhu> regardless how long I stew on it
[12:29] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, then it will be not resolved; that is up to you entirely.
[12:29] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'll ask again
[12:29] <AlmightyCthulhu> What have I done wrong?
[12:30] <AlmightyCthulhu> besides not having a sunny disposition
[12:30] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, and discussing it in the other channels will almost certainly lead to a ban there as well.
[12:30] <AlmightyCthulhu> why not, it's obvious how hostile you people are towards me
[12:31] <AlmightyCthulhu> why not go for broke?
[12:31] <AlmightyCthulhu> am I wrong?
[12:31] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, again; that is your choice-->if you want to resolve this then your current path will not do it.
[12:32] <AlmightyCthulhu> I even tried to find out why your forum moderators were attacking me
[12:32] <AlmightyCthulhu> and calm the situation down
[12:33] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, you have so many comments in the other direction one could compile a *best of* Baron1984 and still have loads more.
[12:34] <AlmightyCthulhu> you're funny
[12:34] <AlmightyCthulhu> I like you
[12:34] <bazhang> this can be resolved amicably; however you have to allow for some give on your end.
[12:34] <bazhang> and currently you do not seem willing to do so.
[12:35] <AlmightyCthulhu> What _has The Almighty Cthulhu_ *done*?
[12:35] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, which is why I suggest reading the docs and then coming back when you are ready.
[12:35] <AlmightyCthulhu> 350+ Thank Yous
[12:35] <AlmightyCthulhu> over one post
[12:35] <AlmightyCthulhu> and I'm Satan
[12:35] <AlmightyCthulhu> right?
[12:35] <AlmightyCthulhu> sure
[12:36] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, I have said what I have to say; this seems not be even close to resolution as you are not willing to admit any wrongdoing on your part.
[12:36] <AlmightyCthulhu> what? I admitted creating a new account
[12:36] <AlmightyCthulhu> because you torpedoed my last one over something silly
[12:37] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, if there is nothing else you wish to add please read the /topic and act accordingly.
[12:37] <AlmightyCthulhu> I don't understand, you keep saying "I" am the problem
[12:40] <AlmightyCthulhu> Well, my blog is getting hits from people asking me why this happened
[12:40] <AlmightyCthulhu> and I've told them
[12:42] <Myrtti> url, please?
[12:42] <Myrtti> in pm, preferably
[12:44] <AlmightyCthulhu> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/banned-from-ubuntu-forums-for-bogus-reason/
[12:44] <AlmightyCthulhu> crap
[12:44] <Myrtti> found it, nvm
[12:44] <AlmightyCthulhu> most of them already had my email anyway and were asking what the hell happened
[12:44]  * PriceChild looks in
[12:44] <AlmightyCthulhu> I've been helping people with BIOS issues anyway
[12:45] <Myrtti> ugh
[12:45] <Myrtti> wonderful behaviour
[12:45]  * Myrtti washes her hands
[12:45] <AlmightyCthulhu> so killing me is just going to make this look worse
[12:45] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: are you the author of the foxconn bios thread thing?
[12:45] <AlmightyCthulhu> but, things have a tendency to go around
[12:45] <AlmightyCthulhu> *foxconn*COUGH
[12:45]  * Myrtti is disgusted
[12:46] <AlmightyCthulhu> so I guess this stays up then?
[12:46] <AlmightyCthulhu> you can be as disgusted as you like
[12:46] <AlmightyCthulhu> welcome to my world
[12:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> hey, you can be as petty as you want
[12:47] <Myrtti> I could say a thing or two about what you've done wrong - and what the other people have done wrong...
[12:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> you can censor things
[12:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> but not on my blog
[12:47] <Myrtti> but I see you're not intrested so why bother
[12:47]  * Myrtti goes to mind her own business.
[12:47] <AlmightyCthulhu> if they want to be belligerent, I'm not going to stop them
[12:48] <Myrtti> so there is nothing wrong with what you've done?
[12:48] <Myrtti> nothing what so ever?
[12:49] <AlmightyCthulhu> Myrtti: I'm giving my point of view
[12:49] <AlmightyCthulhu> they fired first
[12:49] <Myrtti> nothing?
[12:49] <Myrtti> nothing wrong?
[12:49] <Myrtti> they're just being meanies?
[12:49] <AlmightyCthulhu> essentially, yes
[12:49] <AlmightyCthulhu> thats a funny word
[12:49] <Myrtti> ok, so there you go
[12:49] <Myrtti> have fun
[12:49] <AlmightyCthulhu> "meanies"
[12:50] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: hello there, could we slow the pace down a bit?
[12:50] <AlmightyCthulhu> and how would we "resolve" this?
[12:50] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: Could I first hear what you want resolved?
[12:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> this stupid, childish crap
[12:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> frankly
[12:51] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: could we be more specific?
[12:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, I would like my account back
[12:51] <PriceChild> what account?
[12:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> unless I have been so grossly heinous
[12:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> as to be permabanned
[12:52] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: what account?
[12:52] <Myrtti> I assume he's talking about ubuntu forums
[12:52] <AlmightyCthulhu> TheAlmightyCthulhu
[12:52] <AlmightyCthulhu> bingo
[12:52] <Myrtti> assumptions is all we can work with
[12:53] <Myrtti> AlmightyCthulhu: you never told that in clear plain text
[12:53] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: you want us to unban you on ubuntuforums.org?
[12:53] <AlmightyCthulhu> it would go a very long way to establishing a dialog
[12:53] <Myrtti> he's got bans in #ubuntuforums and #ubuntu-offtopic too
[12:53] <AlmightyCthulhu> cause right now, my blog is getting a little bit of traffic
[12:53] <Myrtti> but anyway
[12:53] <AlmightyCthulhu> just throwing that out there
[12:53] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: I am afraid that those who run ubuntu's irc presence do NOT run ubuntuforums.org
[12:54] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: We cannot unban you on ubuntuforums.org
[12:54] <Myrtti> AlmightyCthulhu: and it feels so fuzzy and warm to see you bashing admins
[12:54] <AlmightyCthulhu> and if this is all just a horrible "misunderstanding"
[12:54] <AlmightyCthulhu> see, this is how people are going to take that
[12:55] <AlmightyCthulhu> "He did that for all of us, and you BANNED him?"
[12:55] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, so you dont care about being unbanned as Baron1984 in the irc channels? thought that was what you sought here
[12:55] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, that would be great too
[12:55] <Myrtti> I've got no idea what he's after
[12:55] <AlmightyCthulhu> but hell, I don't know
[12:55] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: we do not run ubuntuforums.org
[12:55] <bazhang> ubuntuforums.org the web presence has no relation to irc AlmightyCthulhu
[12:56] <AlmightyCthulhu> uhhhm, most of you are moderators on the forum too
[12:56] <AlmightyCthulhu> unless I am too far off
[12:56] <Myrtti> not official relation
[12:56] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, although going off on irc about that will have adverse effects here
[12:56] <Myrtti> if there are moderators of forums here, that is coincidental
[12:56] <Myrtti> I couldn't name even one moderator of the forums on irc
[12:56] <Myrtti> or perhaps one, but that's it
[12:57] <AlmightyCthulhu> so could you go "coincidentally" look at this?
[12:57] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: you seem to have gone through the forums resolution centre, if you want to continue your complaint, email forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <Myrtti> I don't even remember if I've got account on forums
[12:57] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, no reason to, they are a separate entity with whom which you will have to resolve this.
[12:57] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: there is nothing else we can do to help you.
[12:57] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, that is a shame
[12:58] <Myrtti> unless you want to discuss your IRC bans
[12:58]  * bazhang thinks there was one too many whoms or whiches in there
[12:58] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com again, that's the way forward.
[12:58] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, they'll listen to me when hell freezes over
[12:58] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'd totally be wasting my breath
[12:58] <bazhang> AlmightyCthulhu, word to the wise: dont go off in channels here about that.
[12:58] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: That is the process. Please go through that, then message me on irc if it isn't resolved.
[13:03] <AlmightyCthulhu> sent
[13:04] <AlmightyCthulhu> if they blow me off, I'll put the email address on my blog
[13:04] <AlmightyCthulhu> and let THEIR box fill up B-)
[13:04] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: that email address is already public.
[13:04] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: threats are also not nice :)
[13:04] <AlmightyCthulhu> right, I'll just put it right there for them
[13:04] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'm saying, you're pulling a Foxconn
[13:04] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: we have nothing to do with this.
[13:05] <AlmightyCthulhu> they said I was making idle threats
[13:05] <AlmightyCthulhu> I make promises
[13:05] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: Talking about this with us here is not going to change anything.
[13:06] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: I suggest you step back, and try to resolve it via email without threats. Anything else we can help you with
[13:07] <PriceChild> ?
[13:07] <AlmightyCthulhu> They locked the Foxconn thread and then swept me under the rug.
[13:07] <AlmightyCthulhu> So please, by all means, email the mods, tell them what you think: forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[13:08] <AlmightyCthulhu> from the end of my blog
[13:10] <ompaul> AlmightyCthulhu, talking here about it, is about as relevant as talking about it on speakers corner london ... wrong audience - please follow forums thread
[13:10] <ompaul> AlmightyCthulhu, talking here about it, is about as relevant as talking about it on speakers corner london ... wrong audience - please follow forums process (what a typo ;-))
[13:11] <ompaul> is there anything else we can help you with (irc based?)
[13:12] <ompaul> AlmightyCthulhu, ^^
[13:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> possibly, let me check
[13:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> * Cannot join #ubuntuforums (You are banned).
[13:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> * Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[13:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> hmmmm
[13:12] <ompaul> that would be for being off topic I guess, do you concur?
[13:13] <PriceChild> grr power gone
[13:13] <AlmightyCthulhu> I think it was cause I was on topic
[13:14] <ompaul> the beep of the ups
[13:14] <AlmightyCthulhu> on topic in off topic
[13:14] <AlmightyCthulhu> and off topic in on topic
[13:14] <ompaul> @btlogin
[13:15] <ompaul> what nick were you using then?
[13:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> baron1984
[13:15] <ompaul> one could construe your nick change as an attempt to ban evade, please be aware of this
[13:16] <AlmightyCthulhu> it was over something minor
[13:16] <AlmightyCthulhu> back months ago
[13:16] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[13:16] <ompaul> AlmightyCthulhu, no it was not
[13:16] <ompaul> you wished death on someone
[13:16] <ompaul> go away
[13:17] <AlmightyCthulhu> who have I wished death on?
[13:17] <AlmightyCthulhu> other than a lot of politicians? B-)
[13:17] <ompaul> 2008-06-17T04:21:31 <Baron1984> root is he who's name shall not be spoken
[13:17] <ompaul> 2008-06-17T04:21:49 <Baron1984> this user once cast the death curse on Mark Shuttleworth, but he survived
[13:17] <ompaul> now go away
[13:17] <ompaul> before I remove you
[13:17] <AlmightyCthulhu> no sense of humor
[13:18] <ompaul> that is _not_ funny
[13:18] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: The bans will not be removed at this time. I've given you advice on how to further the appeal on the forums ban.
[13:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> a sarcastic Harry Potter reference
[13:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> is cause for ban?
[13:18] <ompaul> AlmightyCthulhu, as the man said deal with your forums thing firsty
[13:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> you are kidding, right
[13:19] <ompaul> no
[13:19] <PriceChild> AlmightyCthulhu: you ban evade, threaten, antagonise and have generally not been very nice in each incarnation I've seen you in the ubuntu community. The irc bans are not going to be lifted at this time.
[13:19] <AlmightyCthulhu> you people
[13:19] <ompaul> now for the third and final time, go away
[13:19] <AlmightyCthulhu> does the word "Vogan" mean anything?
[13:19] <ompaul> I'll take them down shortly
[13:27] <ompaul> script misses one thing interesting
 artagnon (*!*@203.110.245.32) is being let into #ubuntu from a gateway
 artagnon-banned (*!*@203.110.245.32) is being let into #ubuntu from a gateway
 artagnon (*!*@203.110.245.32) is being let into #ubuntu from a gateway
[13:28] <ompaul> ???
[13:28] <ompaul> it may be a long time ago but should we let *banned* get into #ubuntu
[13:29] <ompaul> I think there is a level of irony about same
[13:29] <ompaul> I would be willing to keep banned banned
[13:39]  * jpds moniotrs.
[13:43] <ompaul> jpds, nice one ;-)
[13:44] <jpds> ompaul: ;-)
[15:04] <dmseg> i need to ask a few questions does anyone have time here?
[15:08] <PriceChild> dmseg: whats up?
[15:10] <ompaul> dmseg, ?
[15:11] <ompaul> dmseg, if you have nothing to discuss, please see the topic
[15:12] <ompaul> PriceChild, you got a pm going on there?
[15:14] <PriceChild> nope
 i'm being attacked by raptors!!!
[15:15] <ompaul> bazhang, ..... that makes the most silly comment on irc that I have seen in the last week at least
[15:15] <bazhang> haha
[15:17] <ompaul> you should have used "quick hide over here!" in the ban message
[15:17] <ompaul> ;-)
[15:17] <TheSheep> it's his fault, he shouldn't have used goto
[15:17] <ompaul> who says I don't have a sense of humour
[15:17] <bazhang> hehe sorry I didnt add that
[15:18] <TheSheep> ompaul: nobody would dare to say somethiing like that ;)
[15:19] <ompaul> TheSheep, lastlog  humour / humor
[15:21] <TheSheep> ompaul: that was him just caring for you, to make surey ou don't have any regrets for banning him :)
[15:21] <ompaul> TheSheep, baahaaa
[15:22] <PriceChild> ompaul: yes
[15:22] <ompaul> dmseg, you do now?
[15:22] <ompaul> woops
[15:22] <ompaul> PriceChild, you do now?
[15:22] <dmseg> ok so i have got supybot but its not up and running right now i have some questions
[15:23] <PriceChild> dmseg: #supybot is probably better
[15:23] <ompaul> and what has this to do with -ops was the evil version of that question ;-)
[15:23] <dmseg> PriceChild: about the behaviour
[15:24] <dmseg> 1) when some one is asking too many questions when the bot is busy should the bot take it as abuse or ignore the person leaving a messeage to wat
[15:24] <dmseg> *WAIT
[15:25] <PriceChild> We have no idea about the situations this bot will be in, and so I think you'll have to make the decision youself, or alter it when needed as you learn.
[15:25] <PriceChild> #supybot might have people running these bots in similar situations, so perhaps they will have some good advice if you explain your situation
[15:25] <PriceChild> .
[15:26] <dmseg> PriceChild: ok #supybot is empty now (dead) i really cant find support or any bot rigaht now so i thought you guys might help
[15:27] <PriceChild> I joined a few moments ago and it seemed like it had quite a few people in it.
[15:27] <dmseg> PriceChild: as in dead no one responds for 1 hour even with pings to random people i saw to join and then leave
[15:28] <Hobbsee> try #defocus or something?  we're still not a support channel.
[15:29] <Myrtti> hellooo
[15:29] <dmseg> Hobbsee: i see sorry to bother you i will try thankyou all for your time thnakyou very much and Myrtti hello and bye al toghter bye guys
[15:30] <Myrtti> oooookkkiiiees
[16:05] <Tm_T> hi kids
[16:09] <Myrtti> hiya luv
[16:09]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti 
[16:12] <Myrtti> I haz red shoes ♥
[16:17] <Myrtti> http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2706951350/ ♥
[16:17] <Myrtti> ih
[17:19] <bazhang> heh
[17:20] <ompaul> and that was not going to happen?
[17:25] <bazhang> in PM with AMC now
[17:27] <ompaul> ?
[17:27] <ompaul> bazhang, from where
[17:34] <bazhang> heads up in -ot
[17:36] <ompaul> heads down
[17:37]  * bazhang heads down
[17:43] <lgc> Hello.
[17:43] <ompaul> hi
[17:44] <ompaul> not all things belong in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:44] <ompaul> and somethings are offtopic for there also
[17:44] <lgc> ompaul: Is there something sensible you have to say here? Or just throw him out and ignore him?
[17:45] <lgc> ompaul: I suppose Myrttis's toenails are more appropriate for #offtopic.
[17:45] <ompaul> that would be correct
[17:45]  * Myrtti sniffs
[17:45] <Myrtti> my toenails are always ontopic!
[17:45] <Myrtti> and my guinea pigs
[17:46] <ompaul> Myrtti, ehh not for #ubuntu
[17:46] <Myrtti> meh, true
[17:46] <Myrtti> but on -offtopic!
[17:46] <Myrtti> (I thought that was what we were talking)
[17:46] <Myrtti> anyway
[17:46] <Myrtti> coffee
[17:47] <ompaul> lgc, your ban is not for discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:47] <ompaul> lgc, you were removed from #ubuntu for being offtopic
[17:47] <lgc> ompaul: It seems one just can't break through your stubbornness.
[17:48] <lgc> ompaul: Can you prove my banning is less appropriate for #offtopic than Myrtti's toenail colors?
[17:48] <lgc> nickrud: Hi. Guess what?
[17:49] <nalioth> oh, hi lgc
[17:49] <nickrud> you got banned?
[17:49] <Myrtti> erm
[17:49] <lgc> nalioth: Hi. I've been chasing you since #windows.
[17:49] <Myrtti> that logic is bewildering
[17:49] <lgc> Myrtti: I want to understand you people's logic.
[17:50] <ompaul> lgc, you were offtopic you got banned, is there anything else?
[17:50]  * nickrud doesn't have scrollback, which is made irrelevant by not having ops in -offtopic, so he just goes about his business
[17:50] <Myrtti> anything else but Ubuntu support is offtopic for #ubuntu
[17:50] <lgc> Myrtti: What is offtopic for #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:50] <Myrtti> everything else but Ubuntu support and things mentioned in !o4o are offtopic for #ubuntu-offtopic, with some space for personal opinions of #ubuntu-offtopic's ops
[17:51] <Myrtti> sorry
[17:51] <Myrtti> !040 are ontopic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:51] <Myrtti> there
[17:51] <nalioth> lgc: /msg ubottu o4o
[17:51] <Myrtti> everything else but Ubuntu support and things mentioned in !o4o are ontopic for #ubuntu-offtopic, with some space for personal opinions of #ubuntu-offtopic's ops
[17:51] <Myrtti> there
[17:51] <Myrtti> fixed
[17:51] <lgc> Myrtti: What is "!040"?
[17:51] <nalioth> even though it's "off topic", it still has limits
[17:51] <Myrtti> !o4o > lgc
[17:51] <ompaul> lgc, and don't take that as a definitive list - because it has limits as nalioth points out, common sense should help you there
[17:51] <nalioth> lgc: tipea /msg ubottu o4o y mira su message
[17:52] <nalioth> los robots tenga !factoids con informacion
[17:53] <ompaul> lgc, is there anything else?
[17:54] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-offtopic = <anything> - (#ubuntu + !o4o)
[17:54] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-offtopic = <anything> - (#ubuntu + !o4o + soylent green)
[17:54] <ompaul> but we are not sure about soylent red
[17:55] <nickrud> soylents fall under religion or politics anyway
[17:55] <lgc> ompaul: Indeed. But in order to brief others of the whole issue, I refer you people to the following graph: http://www.howarddarkes.com/photos/linuxposter.jpg .
[17:55] <TheSheep> nickrud: ass everything related to diet
[17:55] <Myrtti> lgc: and how does that relate to this discussion?
[17:55] <Myrtti> I fail to see your point
[17:55] <nalioth> lgc: what did you want to talk to me about?
[17:55] <ompaul> lgc, which is from a crack pipe of extraordinary size
[17:56] <lgc> Myrtti: I suppose it's more interesting to talk on #ubuntu-offtopic about your toenails than about other Ubuntu-related issues.
[17:56] <ompaul> the numbers are very wrong ;-)
[17:56] <Myrtti> lgc: you're welcome to talk about ubuntu related issues (other than Ubuntu support, which should be at #ubuntu) there
[17:56] <ompaul> lgc, at this point you seem not to be discussing something for ubuntu ops to deal with
[17:56] <ompaul> lgc, so is there anything else?
[17:57] <Myrtti> lgc: as this is Sunday and I'm procrastinating cleaning, I like to talk about Radioheads artistic wizardry and my toenails
[17:57] <bazhang> lgc you were politely warned and then persisted anyways
[17:57] <lgc> nalioth: I just wanted to say hi. ("How's the weather in Houston", maybe.)
[17:57] <ompaul> yes paddy
[17:57] <Myrtti> I'm really really failing to see your point
[17:58] <lgc> bazhang: I agree it was offtopic.
[17:58] <ompaul> Myrtti, lgc does not have a point, which is the point
[17:58] <Myrtti> ah
[17:58] <nickrud> ompaul for what it's worth I see similar numbers in the web logs for a non-technical site. But it's always the one-percenter's that drive the future anyway ;_
[17:59] <ompaul> nickrud, it turned out that 6% of the traffic on the BBC site was GNU/linux afik
[17:59] <nickrud> ompaul us centric, so that may bias the numbers
[17:59] <nalioth> lgc: if you have nothing else, please read and heed the /topic
[17:59] <bazhang> lgc you pasted knowing it was offtopic, then complained about the offtopicity being called? we asked politely and you persisted nonetheless.
[17:59] <lgc> I  pointed out I received no less than 3 answers in less than 15 seconds warning me of the fact. And then some moron telling me to get some education. And I suppose such moron is still hanging in there waiting to jump at the next one's throat.
[18:00] <AlmightyCthulhu> so can someone please unban me now?
[18:00] <nalioth> lgc: there is no accounting for manners
[18:00] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'll be a good monkey or whatever
[18:00] <Myrtti> AlmightyCthulhu: hold on, were dealing one issue at a time
[18:01] <ompaul> AlmightyCthulhu, given your attitude earlier I won't
[18:03] <lgc> nalioth: That's what I mean people making #ubuntu so unfriendly, and it's my longstanding battle against purists. If there were not so many users eagerly waiting for someone not abiding by the rules, minor incidents would just go by.
[18:03] <AlmightyCthulhu> I don't have a bad attitude when I'm not being approached sarcastically
[18:03] <ompaul> AlmightyCthulhu, come back in an hour please
[18:03] <AlmightyCthulhu> why not?
[18:04] <lgc> And then there's the issue of ops abusing their powers.
[18:04] <nalioth> lgc: op abuse?
[18:04] <Myrtti> oh great.
[18:04] <ompaul> lgc, there is no space for that when there are 1300 people there, as for abusing powers ....
[18:05] <tritium> lgc: to make such a claim, you had better have solid evidence
[18:05] <ompaul> lgc, you were asked there is no abuse if you step outside the accepted community norms for a channel to be removed, in fact it should be expected
[18:05] <ompaul> the norms are stick to support
[18:05] <ompaul> you failed, you are here, having a pointless non discussion
[18:05] <lgc> ompaul: As I said, a kind reminder should do if there were not so many eager channel guardians and so many ops wanting to pull the trigger on the infractor.
[18:06] <ompaul> lgc, you were asked by others
[18:06] <ompaul> they should not have to show they have power or otherwise
[18:06] <ompaul> therefore you had been "reminded" as I see it
[18:06] <lgc> ompaul: the whole thing didn't last 30 seconds. I didn't get the chance of even replying and I was out.
[18:07] <ompaul> you kept it up
[18:08] <lgc> ompaul: I just asked the moron what he meant by "go get some education". That was all. I didn't get any other chance.
[18:08] <ompaul> it started at 16 minutes and thirty seven seconds past the hour, your last comment was some three minutes and twenty three seconds later
[18:08] <ompaul> the moran is actually an op
[18:09] <lgc> ompaul: you dazzle me with irrelevant facts.
[18:09] <Myrtti> irrelevant?
[18:09] <ompaul> you have abused a fellow human being
[18:09] <Myrtti> pardon but there are people who are trying to look at their backlogs to see what happened
[18:10] <ompaul> you are going to say this is in the spirit of Ubuntu
[18:10] <ompaul> somehow I think not
[18:10] <ompaul> lgc, you were asked not to do so by a few ops a few times
[18:10] <ompaul> you kept it yo
[18:10] <ompaul> up
[18:10] <ompaul> you lost the right to participate in that channel
[18:10] <lgc> ompaul: worse yet: someone who doesn't have the temper has been bestowed with operator powers!
[18:10] <ompaul> build a bridge, get over it
[18:11] <Myrtti> how about you all get a cup of hot chocolate and lets start over?
[18:11] <Myrtti> I'll get that coffee cup of mine
[18:11]  * nickrud gets a mocha frappuccino out of the fridge
[18:11] <lgc> ompaul: you contradict yourself: you say "get over it" but you also say "you were asked not to do so by a few ops a few times". Seems like there's an unofficial blacklist.
[18:12] <Myrtti> there's something not right in this conversation and I think that if we start it all over again, we might do better
[18:12] <bazhang> yup
[18:12] <ompaul> lgc,lets do the play back
[18:12] <Mez> @bansearch lgc
[18:12] <lgc> Myrtti: As I said: for me it's a longstanding issue: unfriendliness on #ubuntu.
[18:12] <Mez> lgc, you're complaining that you were banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:12] <Myrtti> he's not
[18:12] <lgc> Mez: no.
[18:13] <Mez> seemed that way...
[18:13] <Mez> lgc, #ubuntu has rules and guidelines. If you break them, you're liable to get banned.
[18:13] <Mez> Access is a privilege, not a right.
[18:13] <ompaul> lgc, read this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30962/
[18:14] <Mez> You can continue your off-topic discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic, as long as it abides by the rules for that channel...
[18:14] <lgc> Mez: I know that. The thing is people are more important than rules.
[18:14] <ompaul> lgc, you are trolling as far as I can see
[18:14] <Mez> lgc, indeed. Which is why the rules are there. We need to keep #ubuntu clean so people can get support without having to read through a load of offtopic stuff.
[18:15] <Mez> lgc, the rules are there for a reason, you broke them.
[18:15] <lgc> Mez: It's not that I have any trouble abiding by the rules, but when I -or anyone not from the ops club- strays gets hit with everytyhing. And that, IMHO, does not make #ubuntu a friendly place.
[18:15] <Mez> lgc, you were asked to goto -offtopic multiple times.
[18:16] <ompaul> lgc, I count three times before you made your second comment and you were told after that - so I think you fail to make a case here, is there anything else?
[18:16] <lgc> Mez: In 30 seconds. Or 3 minutes, whatever. If you're looking at the log, please look at my replies.
[18:17] <ompaul> Three almost-instant replies to tell me this is off-topic! Jeez! <<<
[18:17] <Myrtti> anyway
 Gnea: why do 'newcomers' like you have to make #ubuntu such an unfriendly place?
[18:17] <ompaul> lgc, you fail to make your case and abuse people
[18:18] <lgc> ompaul: You see I don't deviate from my central point. Which you miss.
[18:18] <Myrtti> so, how much of things have we agreed so far?
[18:18] <ompaul> lgc, well state it again in some other language given I seem to be missing it
[18:18] <lgc> Myrtti: None.
[18:18] <Myrtti> lgc: ok, that is a way to start...
[18:18] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[18:19] <lgc> ompaul: No the hagas pendejo y haz de #ubuntu un lugar amigable.
[18:19] <bazhang> lgc no need for that language
[18:19] <nickrud> Myrtti good will is pointless right now.
[18:19] <lgc> ompaul: I'm Mexican, your request is not a problem.
[18:19] <Myrtti> nickrud: sorry, can't give it up yet
[18:20] <Mez> lgc, if you continue to abuse people, you will be removed from HERE too
[18:20]  * bazhang hugs nickrud 
[18:20] <Myrtti> I need a blackboard and chalk
[18:20] <lgc> Mez: 'abuse people'?
[18:20] <Myrtti> and alphabet building blocks to spell things out for people too
[18:20] <bazhang> we can read spanish
[18:21] <ompaul> more than one person here can
[18:21]  * jpds waves.
[18:21] <ompaul> in fact more than three
[18:21] <Mez> lgc, calling ompaul an asshole...
[18:21] <lgc> bazhang: I bet you can't read coloquial Spanish correctly.
[18:21] <bazhang> hi jpds :)
[18:21] <Mez> or Myrtti - whoever it was aimed at
[18:21] <jpds> hey bazhang
[18:21] <ompaul> Mez, actually a w* but anyway
[18:21] <ompaul> lgc, goodbye
[18:21] <Mez> Le pidieron el un montón de épocas de trasladarse al canal correcto. Las reglas están en el lugar por una razón. Si usted no puede obedecerlas, después a le no se permitirá incorporar el canal.
[18:22]  * Myrtti faints
[18:22] <ompaul> lgc, are you still here?
[18:22]  * Mez fans Myrtti 
[18:22] <lgc> "No the hagas pendejo": "Don't play fool on me". It's not for a CEO meeting but on the street it'll do quite good. It's not an insult.
[18:23] <ompaul> lgc, well here is a little clue
[18:23] <lgc> ompaul: ?
[18:24] <ompaul> ""
[18:24] <ompaul> need I say more?
[18:24] <Mez> lgc, se va por favor aquí. No vamos a venir a una resolución. I' d sugiere que usted se vuelva en una semana, quizá más
[18:24] <lgc> ompaul: yes.
[18:25] <ompaul> well I have run out of things to say, so the clue was ""
[18:25] <lgc> Mez: I'm not sure what you mean.
[18:25] <jpds> Mez: Trust me, you really shouldn't use Google Translator.
[18:25] <ompaul> jpds, well you do it then ;-)
[18:25] <ompaul> in one line or less
[18:26]  * Myrtti blinks her eyes open to the smell of espresso
[18:26] <jpds> lgc: Usted puede volver en una semaña por favor?
[18:28] <lgc> People: Apart from the -minor, if you will- incident of being thrown out, I insist on my main line: There's no need of so many moral guardians in #ubuntu. If you people *randomly* sample the channel log, will perhaps find way too many scoldings directed at unaware -or else- infractors. I beg you to please consider this for the sake of all.
[18:29] <Myrtti> lgc: and pray tell, how can we stop the normal users who want to keep the channel going from being moral guardians?
[18:29] <Mez> lgc, there were no scoldings, infact, the first person to tell you it was offtopic was someone I've never even heard of...
[18:31] <nickrud> lgc you certainly have been around long enough to not qualify as an 'unaware' user. I'd say that you _wanted_ to be argumentative, regardless of any perceived abuse targeted at you.
[18:31] <lgc> Mez: that's somewhat the point: people follow examples. One of the first thing I learned in #ubuntu was "!offtopic", "!rtfm" and the like. I firmly believe that if operators use their role as moderators this doesn't have to happen all the time.
[18:32] <lgc> nickrud: that's why I said -or else- :).
[18:32] <Mez> lgc, if you feel the ops aren't doing their role, please, feel free to take it to the IRC Council
[18:32] <nickrud> lgc and argument is not tolerated, you also know that.
[18:33] <nickrud> lgc whether between ops/non-ops or non-ops/non-ops
[18:33] <lgc> Mez: that's an option, but I believe things can be smoothened out by being allowed to explain oneself on the normal channels.
[18:33] <ompaul> lgc, channel is too busy to allow "conversation"
[18:34] <ompaul> ergo no that is not going to happen and why offtopic is offtopic
[18:34] <lgc> nickrud: remember when I told you that all a normal user gets to do is to "bend down and take it like a man" from ops? There.
[18:34] <lgc> ompaul: I completely agree on that.
[18:35]  * Myrtti is confused
[18:35] <ompaul> if you concur, you were trying to start a conversation from where I stand
[18:35] <ompaul> therefore by your own admission being offtopic
[18:35] <lgc> Wouldn't it be a good idea to have #ubuntu-2 for support also?
[18:35] <Myrtti> -2?
[18:35] <ompaul> and divide helpers ?
[18:35] <ompaul> not going to work
[18:35] <nickrud> lgc I disagreed then, I disagree now. If you choose not to use the regular grievance procedures, then you won't get your side heard.
[18:35] <Nafallo> Myrtti: -2 would be feisty I think :-)
[18:36] <nickrud> nah, that's for edgy and prior
[18:36] <ompaul> -3 would be called out of support?
[18:36] <Myrtti> Nafallo: noooooooooo, really?
[18:36] <Myrtti> Nafallo: ;-)
[18:36] <lgc> ompaul: divide traffic, which is the main issue. If you don't find the help on one, you get to go to the other channel. Besides, it's hard to take notice of all what's happening on a 1300+ users channel.
[18:36] <ompaul> and have the helpers divided that is not going to happen
[18:37] <Nafallo> lgc: that's part of why we have local support channels
[18:37] <ompaul> you might have a #ubuntu-mx
[18:37] <lgc> Nafallo: usually with much less traffic and much less chance of support.
[18:37] <ompaul> and this would happen with lgc
[18:38] <ompaul> and this would happen with your suggestion lgc
[18:38] <lgc> ompaul: There is #ubuntu-mx, but I've never been there!
[18:38] <Nafallo> lgc: I can only speak for the Swedish one, I can only agree to less traffic :-)
[18:38] <ompaul> so try it, you might like it, it might be useful for you
[18:38] <jpds> lgc: #ubuntu-es is also available... a little.. else.. but available.
[18:39] <lgc> ompaul: there are 9 persons in -mx. No big deal.
[18:39] <Myrtti> -es?
[18:39] <jpds> Myrtti: España // Spain.
[18:39] <lgc> Myrtti: 72.
[18:39] <Myrtti> jpds: but as for language goes ---
[18:40]  * Myrtti checks -fi
[18:40] <nickrud> Myrtti by the way, build up your karma some more, add saved window state to terminator ;)
[18:40] <Myrtti> Irssi: #ubuntu-fi: Total of 124 nicks
[18:40] <Myrtti> nickrud: sorry, haven't yet read even the preface of "Learning Python"
[18:41] <Nafallo> -!- Irssi: #ubuntu-se: Total of 118 nicks
[18:42] <ompaul> lgc, so what next
[18:42]  * Myrtti giggles and finds it funny that GUADEC/aKademy is organized in Spain again next year :-P
[18:42] <Myrtti> anyway
[18:43] <ompaul> Myrtti, bet they end up with some hacked lowerlevel common api and then they have more common aps up top a post x pre desktop level and then some other strange stuff
[18:44] <ompaul> where d-bus meets them all
[18:44] <ompaul> one d-bus to route them all or some such argh
[18:44] <Myrtti> so, where are we now then
[18:44]  * nickrud thinks ompaul just likes throuwing out buzz words ;)
[18:45] <lgc> ompaul: I hope I have gotten my point to some extent in the way of being considered. I suppose you can't disagree completely with me.
[18:45] <ompaul> nickrud, I had a chat with someone at lrl about this "desktop.org" stuff and it all seems like some kind of a thing to sandwich above X below the themes
[18:46] <ompaul> lgc, (A) many support channels - not going to work (B) telling people to chill - when others have done so and they appear to argue then I think they should be removed but that is me (C) was there something else
[18:47] <lgc> (By the way, as I posted on #windows, the said offtopic graph, http://www.howarddarkes.com/photos/linuxposter.jpg, must be a graph of os-related problems. I didn't have the chance to say this before I was banned on #ubuntu :-[.)
[18:47] <Mez> lgc ....
[18:47] <Mez> ?
[18:48]  * ompaul looks on in disbelief
[18:48] <ompaul> someone else do it
[18:48]  * Myrtti remembers emmajane's talk
[18:48] <lgc> Mez: pardon?
[18:48] <ompaul> I am going for a tea
[18:48]  * jpds follows ompaul's suit.
[18:48] <nickrud> ompaul it's late enough, have a brew
[18:48] <Mez> lgc, is there anything else that you're here for... or are you just going to sit around wasting our time.
[18:49] <Mez> We've asked politely for you to come back in a week. And you continue to waste our time.
[18:50]  * Mez taps foot... 
[18:52] <Mez> if he comes back - I'm not dealing with it.
[18:52]  * Mez is gonna dissapear in a sec anyways
[18:52] <Mez> I need a shower
[18:58] <lgc> The Higher Authorities here didn't let me say my last thing:
[18:58]  * nalioth enjoys marmite tea
[18:58]  * Myrtti has never even sniffed marmite
[18:58] <lgc> I know your time is too valuable so I'll keep it short:
[18:58] <bazhang> lgc best to part and come back in a week or so
[18:59]  * nickrud notes again that nalioth has disgusting taste 
[18:59] <lgc> bazhang: I'm leaving, but please wait.
[18:59] <tonyyarusso> jpds: so they have - nifty
[18:59] <lgc> Can someone remove the ban on me?
[18:59] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Enjoy!
[18:59] <nalioth> nickrud: chicken bovril is in the mail
[18:59] <Myrtti> lgc: was that the last thing you were trying to say?
[18:59] <nalioth> lgc: come back in a few days, ok?
[19:00]  * nickrud reaches for a frappuccino
[19:00]  * nalioth tosses some marmite in it for flavor and vigor
[19:00] <lgc> Myrtti: if someone can remove my ban on #ubuntu.
[19:00] <bazhang> un semana = one week?
[19:00] <lgc> bazhang: I know that, thanks.
[19:00] <Myrtti> I'd personally say few days
[19:00] <Myrtti> but YMMV
[19:00] <TheSheep> bazhang: month? month is similar in French..
[19:00]  * Myrtti shrugs
[19:00] <Myrtti> more coffee
[19:01] <nickrud> I'm unspeakably grateful it's only virtual marmite
[19:01] <TheSheep> bazhang: no, week
[19:01] <bazhang> TheSheep, haha
[19:01] <Mez> TheSheep, semaine = french for week
[19:01] <bazhang> semaine
[19:01] <TheSheep> argh
[19:01] <TheSheep> no frog legs for me :(
[19:01] <Mez> lgc, are you finished?
[19:01] <lgc> (Why do I smell some authoritarian attitude here?)
[19:01] <lgc> Mez: yes. Till whenever.
[19:01] <bazhang> a week imo
[19:01] <ompaul> nice cuppa - you still here?
[19:02]  * Mez headdesks repeatedly
[19:02] <ompaul> Mez, don't
[19:02] <ompaul> it is a waste
[19:02]  * Myrtti hands a pillow
[19:02] <Mez> hmmm...
[19:02] <TheSheep> you will spill your beverage
[19:02] <nickrud> Mez a nice hot shower washes away much
[19:02]  * Mez looks to his left
[19:02] <Mez> alcohol
[19:02]  * Mez realises it's actually his right
[19:02] <TheSheep> thich alcohol can be sneaky ;)
[19:04]  * Myrtti tries to avert her thoughts
[19:04] <nickrud> bazhang here, something for your autocomplete:  Works for Me™
[19:05] <bazhang> nickrud, wish I could get that tm sign; darned !cn kb's
[19:05]  * Mez adds it as an auto-replace
[19:05] <Mez> Works for Me™
[19:05] <Mez> :D
[19:06]  * Myrtti pokes Mez with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[19:06] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[19:06] <Mez> pink... fluffy... pen ?
[19:06] <Mez> :(
[19:06] <nickrud> yeah, it's politically correct, no possible damage from fluffy stuff
[19:06] <Myrtti> I don't want to associate the Union Jack to violence
[19:06] <Mez> nickrud, but - british poking pencil :D
[19:07] <Nafallo> nickrud: mental health is good, mkay? :-)
[19:07] <nickrud> mental health, shmental health. It's more fun to be antagonistic and keep up the blood pressure, makes me feel *alive* and *important*
[20:27] <Myrtti> import antigravity
[20:34]  * Myrtti sighs
[20:36] <PriceChild> What's up Myrtti?
[20:36] <Myrtti> bored
[20:37] <Nafallo> PriceChild: she still have to obey gravity ;-)
[20:37] <Myrtti> my niece just called, wanted me to help her use Wifi on her new laptop which I've not yet had chance to install Ubuntu on
[20:37]  * Myrtti looks down
[20:37] <Myrtti> Nafallo: I've noticed that gravity thing about ten years ago, to my great sorrow
[20:37] <PriceChild> so what's with the gravity?
[20:38]  * Myrtti leafs thru her copy of "Learning Python"
[20:38] <Myrtti> fail.
[20:38] <Myrtti> perhaps I should check my medicine cabinet too
[20:38] <jussi01> oh cry... I just bought a dvd and it doesnt play...FAIL!! :/
[20:39] <Myrtti> which dvd?
[20:40] <jussi01> scrubs... :D
[20:40] <Myrtti> fcol
[20:41] <Myrtti> and here I am, considering buying Top Gear dvd's
[20:41] <jussi01> Myrtti: stop using acronyms I dont know...
[20:41] <Myrtti> voi elämän kevät
[20:41] <Myrtti> For Crying Out Loud
[20:41] <jussi01> oh, thanks
[20:41] <Myrtti> I guess I'll have to go to Valkeakoski tomorrow to install that Ubuntu
[20:42] <Myrtti> I can't help her with the damned Vista Home and it's problems
[20:42] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:42] <Myrtti> oh dear lord help me
[20:42] <jussi01> its weird, my other dvds work, this one comes up with the language screen and then stops
[20:42]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[20:42] <Myrtti> jussi01: clean out the drive
[20:42] <Myrtti> and check there is absolutely no dust on the disk
[20:43] <Myrtti> for heavens sake, now she's calling me the fifth time
[20:43]  * Myrtti mutes her phone
[20:48] <Myrtti> whooo she managed to get it connect to the fonero \o(
[20:49] <jussi01> Myrtti: what is she used to having??
[20:49] <Myrtti> hm?
[20:49] <Myrtti> Windows2000?
[20:50] <jpds> Hmm, Top Gear.
[20:51] <jussi01> Myrtti: so shes not an ubuntu user normally
[20:52] <Myrtti> jussi01: no, but she's either going to have *buntu on her laptop and me helping with all her problems, or stick to Vista and not going to get any other support from me other than giving her a F-secure cleaning cd and installing Avast or some other ****** antivirus programme on it
[20:52] <jussi01> hehe
[20:52] <Myrtti> I'm *not* going to help her with her problems with Windows Vista
[20:52] <jussi01> Myrtti: give her Kubuntu!!
[20:52] <jussi01> :D
[20:53] <jussi01> Kubuntu is sexier than ubuntu... :P
[20:53] <Myrtti> if I knew it better I might
[20:53] <Pici> sexy like a fox
[20:53] <Pici> o.O
[20:53]  * Nafallo disagrees :-)
[20:55] <jussi01> Myrtti: what did you do?
[20:55] <Myrtti> NOTHING
[20:56] <Pici> right
[20:56] <Flannel> Myrtti: I recommend avira AV and comodo FW
[21:03] <jpds> !python
[21:05] <Flannel> X is X, no X is X?
[21:08] <Myrtti> @login
[21:08] <Myrtti> !python ~= /Oject/Object/
[21:09] <Myrtti> I guess that was his point
[21:10] <Nafallo> not just included... installed by default
[21:11] <Flannel> Nafallo: Not on servers
[21:12] <Nafallo> Flannel: really? it was in minimal on hardy.
[21:12] <Flannel> er... gah.  Why on earth is python in -minimal?
[21:12] <Nafallo> exactly :-)
[21:13] <Nafallo> right next to python-minimal as well ;-)
[21:13] <Flannel> python should definately *not* be in minimal
[21:13] <Nafallo> we do agree :-)
[21:14] <Flannel> What in minimal depends on it?
[21:14] <Nafallo> apt-cache show ubuntu-minimal | grep python | wc -l
[21:14] <Nafallo> 1
[21:14]  * Myrtti laughs at her ubuntuforums.org stats
[21:15] <Nafallo> dooh.
[21:15] <Myrtti> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=21392 <-- LOOOOLLLLL
[21:15] <Nafallo> that was not a clever command :-)
[21:15] <Myrtti> Join Date May 20th, 2005
[21:15] <Myrtti> Total Posts 7
[21:15] <Nafallo> Flannel: ubuntu-minimal Depends python
[21:15] <Myrtti> FAIL
[21:15] <Flannel> Nafallo: thats not what I asked.
[21:16] <Flannel> Nohing else in -minimal depends on python. That would be the only reason I could see for having it
[21:16] <Nafallo> Flannel: ah. I think the reason is that Ubuntu tries to push python a bit to hard ;-)
[21:17] <Flannel> Nafallo: That's a bug as far as I'm concerned. Python does none of the following: Boot, Detect HW, Connect to a network, Install packages, perform basic diagnostics
[21:18] <Flannel> -standard would be fine, but -minimal is just stupid
[21:18] <Nafallo> Flannel: I agree :-)
[21:18] <Flannel> Nafallo: Have you filed a bug report yet?
[21:18] <Nafallo> Flannel: recommends of standard maybe... or rather not have it included at all tbh.
[21:18] <Nafallo> Flannel: nope
[21:18] <Nafallo> Flannel: if something needs python they could depend on it themselves imho :-)
[21:20]  * Myrtti lols at herself
[21:20] <Myrtti> Recent threads "Mark Shuttleworth looks exactly like Roger Federer (1:1 clone)"
[21:21]  * nickrud is sure he registered with the forums, but doesn't remember name and/or password ;(
[21:23]  * nalioth offers nickrud a tattoo gun (and some marmite tea)
[21:24] <nickrud> I probably don't need the tattoo gun, the marmite tea would stain my skin permanently I suspect
[21:24] <nalioth> so long as it stained it in the shape of the letters that make up your user / pass
[21:29] <Myrtti> meh.
[21:31] <Myrtti> I hate pulseaudio with a passion
[21:31] <Myrtti> well... now it atleast works. I think.
[21:34] <nickrud> so, I've discovered I registered on the forums so long ago it has an email I lost years ago. When i click the administrator contact, it tells me to login :/
[21:34] <Flannel> nickrud: You can talk to Vorian
[21:34] <nickrud> Flannel ah, thanks.
[21:35] <Flannel> nickrud: He'll ask you humiliating personal questions to verify your identity, then I think he can change your email address
[21:35] <nickrud> I'm immune to humiliation, I've been in 'relationships'. He's away right now, I'll try later
[21:36] <Flannel> "relationships" eh? I'm not sure I want to ask.
[21:36] <nickrud> wait till you try marriage ;)
[21:36]  * Myrtti will enroll nunnery
[21:37] <Flannel> Myrtti: get thee to a nunnery!
[21:37] <nickrud> oooh, will you take me flying?
[21:37] <Myrtti> in the mean time I'll drool over pictures of kyuuuut linux geeks
[21:39]  * nickrud doesn't have a stick long enough to poke that statement safely
[21:39] <Myrtti> nothing wrong with drooling over piccies of Zak and Mark... or is there?
[21:41] <Myrtti> mah bwain huwts
[21:43] <nickrud> gaahhh! I just switched back from icanhazcheezburger, did I infect the channel !??!
[22:19] <ikonia> l3x is back in #ubuntu
[22:19] <Flannel> @btlogin
[22:19] <Flannel> What'd he do?
[22:20] <Flannel> not in bt it looks like
[22:21] <ikonia> he's been kicked or run away on his own
[22:21] <ikonia> "ubuntu is poor" "how do we do attacks" etc et
[23:05] <Myrtti> meh.
[23:09] <Mez> @bansearch l3x
[23:10] <Flannel> There are none
[23:14] <ikonia> he's  been in a few times
[23:14] <ikonia> he's on my "notify" list
[23:57] <Myrtti> meh. almost fell asleep on the laptop
[23:57] <Myrtti> nini
[23:57] <Pici> goodnight
[23:59] <ikonia> night