[00:06] SolarWar: there you got 2 reviews ;-) [00:06] yay :) [00:47] hey apachelogger the complete GPL is in the COPYING file, perhaps you didnt see it ? [00:49] this is with respect to your last comment [00:51] apachelogger, and is this (http://rafb.net/p/hMjW8D47.html) acceptable for each source file? [01:32] Riddell: Uploaded to REVU bug 252388 :) [01:32] Launchpad bug 252388 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] plasmoid-teacooker" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/252388 [01:33] JontheEchidna: are you away? [01:33] nope [01:34] JontheEchidna: is this ok as I done it? [01:34] yo yo [01:34] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker [01:34] !nixternal [01:34] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [01:34] Wubbbi: yup, now you poke somebody to revu [01:35] * nixternal hides when the word 'revu' is spoken [01:35] JontheEchidna: like riddell? [01:35] nah [01:35] an motu [01:35] ya, any MOTU can do a revu for you [01:35] JontheEchidna: will this upload automatic or do I need to call someone? [01:36] once 2 motus say the package is good one of them will upload it to universe [01:37] actually, it'll be uploaded to a queue, and if the program's licensing and stuff checks out, it'll get uploaded [01:37] all you have to worry about is appeasing the motus ;) [01:37] xD [01:37] Why in universe and not Main? [01:38] btw, you don't really need to include anything other than "initial release LP: whatever" in the changelog for the initial release [01:38] universe is for community software [01:38] ohhh ok [01:38] main is for core software like KDE itself [01:38] MOTU stands for "Masters of the Universe" [01:38] JontheEchidna: that calls good xD [01:39] since they maintain the universe repo [01:39] Well my part is done, and I think I Have done a good job :D [01:39] Thx for your help :D [01:39] Wubbbi: I'll give some feedback for you to look at tomorrow [01:40] get some sleep man [01:40] ^^ [01:40] It's 2:40 AM ... and I get sleep now xD I dont know but its like I have drunken much coffe xD [01:42] Uhhh debian etch updated to r4 :D NICE xD [01:44] stupid arse revu, only has me listed as a Contributor when i am the damn REVU Coordinator [01:45] nixternal: OMG! my fault. I forgott to edit [01:45] is it possible to edit my uploaded files? xD [01:45] hehe, was just gonna tell you that I left a comment since that is all I could do [01:45] Wubbbi: just edit and reupload..it will get overwritten [01:46] ok :) sorry ^^ [01:46] no prob, the reason I caught that is because I got nailed with it in the past :) [01:47] I left a comment too [01:47] JontheEchidna: where did you find the name of the guy? [01:47] In the .cpp file [01:47] he didn't give a real name there as far as I saw [01:50] JontheEchidna: what do you mean with "Lines 14 and 15 (The description) of debian/copyright are over 80 characters long. Please split it up a bit." ??? [01:50] The package description [01:50] ahhh xD [01:50] The longest we want the lines is 80 characters wide [01:53] done done done ... :D better? [01:55] nixternal: I Have uploaded it ( The fixed version ) [01:56] Have to wait until revu catches up. ;) [01:56] ^^ [01:57] this will done every 5 Minutes? [01:57] I don't know exactly how long it takes [01:57] ok it is done [01:57] take a look :D [01:58] ooh, new revu is nice and fast [01:58] xD [01:58] Wubbbi: the package isn't including the source [01:58] the tarball [01:59] oO what? [01:59] the file you extract the program's source from isn't included [01:59] could you pastebin the output of debuild -S -sa to pastebin? [01:59] UHHHHHHH [01:59] -S -sa? [01:59] I just done -S xD [02:00] -sa is "include original source" [02:00] heh, that's probably why it's failing [02:00] well, giving an error [02:00] * Wubbbi slap his self [02:00] xD [02:02] ok new version uploaded ... lets wait :D [02:02] Let's drink tea and wait xD [02:06] now it take more time :/ [02:07] there it is [02:07] still no original source [02:07] could you pastebin the output of debuild -S -sa to pastebin? [02:08] and the name of the tar.gz file the source came in [02:11] here [02:11] http://paste.ubuntu.com/31103/ [02:11] dpkg-source: Warnung: unbekanntes Informationsfeld »Http« in den Eingabedateien in allgemeiner Abschnitt der Steuer-Infodatei [02:11] dpkg-source: Warnung: source directory './TeaCooker' is not - 'plasmoid-teacooker-0.2.0' [02:12] oops, only meant to paste the second line [02:12] that means? [02:12] how to fix? [02:14] gello? [02:14] hello [02:14] oh [02:14] sorry had to go do something quick [02:15] xD [02:15] k np [02:15] the directory has to be named plasmoid-teacooker-0.2.0 [02:15] in? [02:15] the source directory [02:16] control? [02:16] no [02:16] the actual directory [02:16] that houses all the folders and plasmoid sources [02:16] the folder called "TeaCooker" [02:17] I dont understand ... In the TeaCooker Filder? [02:17] Folder [02:17] the TeaCooker folder should be named plasmoid-teacooker-0.2.0 [02:17] ahhhhh xD [02:17] now understand xD [02:17] and TeaCooker.tar.gz should be named plasmoid-teacooker_0.2.0.orig.tar.gz [02:19] ok [02:20] done ... lets wait again :) [02:27] there it is ;) [02:27] yay, that's better [02:27] ^^ [02:28] any suggestions? [02:29] There is still the issue with the copyright name [02:29] oO [02:29] what isseu? [02:30] oh, nvm [02:30] issue [02:30] nvm? [02:30] nevermind [02:31] anybody know where the pyqt/pykde plugins for designer-qt4 are installed? [02:31] ohhh ok :) Is this ok like this? [02:31] I think it's ok [02:31] you might want to poke vorian and apachelogger so they can look it over and advocate it [02:32] ...and visternal needs to get his revu-coordinator rights fixed [02:32] apachelogger: is sleeping ( Its 3:32 am ) xD and vorian ... I dont know are you online? [02:32] might have to wait until tomorrow [02:32] yes [02:33] JontheEchidna: who ist visternal? xD you mean nixternal [02:33] ? [02:33] yeah, that's how we tease him [02:34] since he's a vista lover [02:34] nixternal: Is this ok like this? :) [02:34] !nixternal [02:34] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [02:34] LOL! xD [02:39] what about making a package of this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Qalculate?content=84618 Or allready done? [02:41] somebody's doing it [02:41] it's even on revu [02:42] ahh ok :) [02:53] Well I will go to bed now. goodnight and see you tomorow [02:53] ;) [03:03] good night all [03:32] evening === Igorot_ is now known as Igorot === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === skreechmiester is now known as dasKreeCh === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [09:51] Hello :) I'm Waked up :) [10:07] happy Monday [10:09] * Jucato grumbles about always being lost and disoriented during mondays... :/ [10:10] Riddell: hello :D [10:12] morning Riddell :) [10:13] apachelogger: ping [10:17] moin Wubbbi, Riddell, Nightrose (pokemon!!!) [10:17] :P [10:18] lol ... pokemon ... xD [10:18] Nightrose: what kind of Pokemon are you? [10:18] *shrug* [10:18] don't know them well enough [10:18] a cute one, definitely [10:18] Jucato will tell you [10:18] ;-) [10:19] I'm still trying to figure it out though [10:19] * jpds thinks Jucato has had too many video games. [10:19] lol [10:19] jpds: ironically, I have only played the pokemon games very slightly :) [10:20] Nightrose: do you like/dislike cats? [10:20] jpds: the problem with REVU is solved ;) AND ... I have uploaded it succesfull :D http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker [10:20] (semi-random question) [10:20] Wubbbi: Yay. [10:20] * Riddell cheers at http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu.php [10:20] Jucato: love them [10:20] * Nightrose waits for page to load [10:21] Nightrose: then I have the perfect pokemon :) [10:21] jpds: yesturasy ( Today ) At 3:30 AM -_- xD [10:21] * Jucato waits for the page to load too [10:21] Wubbbi: You'll get that a lot around here. [10:21] yesterday [10:21] xD [10:22] And If I update this to a new Upstream Releas, so I need to Upload it by REVU? [10:22] damn you Riddell ;-) that page takes ages to load [10:22] what is it? [10:22] hehe [10:23] woahhh Riddell [10:23] congratulations [10:23] t3h awesome!!! [10:23] http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/utu.html [10:23] ;-) [10:23] * Nightrose hands Riddell some cookies [10:23] congrats Riddell [10:23] indeed [10:24] Well, I made it to the top 100. [10:24] !cookies | Riddell [10:24] Riddell: Cookies are delicious delicacies. [10:24] congrats Riddell :) [10:24] bah.. not that :) [10:24] Nightrose: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/8/8a/300Skitty.png btw [10:24] hehe and Harald is #9 [10:24] http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/8/8a/300Skitty.png HAHAHA xD Nightrose thats you!!! :D CUTE. :) [10:25] *lol* Jucato [10:25] Nightrose: you know why I picked that? it cutely says "nya nya" or "nyi nyi"... sort of like your "nini" :) [10:25] ;-) [10:25] oh and yes, it is so adorable :) [10:42] in kopete 0.12 (kde 3.5.9), when I'm sent a custom emoticon and I right click on "Import emoticon", I receive an error about $HOME/.kde/share/emoticons/Default not existing :-? [10:44] pgquiles: I expect it's an upstream issue [11:05] Riddell: ok [11:07] Riddell: it's actually in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/203658 [11:07] Launchpad bug 203658 in kopete "import emoticon broken in kopete when importing to the default emoticons" [Undecided,New] [11:09] apachelogger: are you online? [11:15] 2) Provide a watch file to catch new upstream versions. ... how to do that? ... Just a /debian/xxx file call watch? [11:26] <-- braindead [11:26] Wubbbi: now I am [11:26] Nightrose: pong [11:27] apachelogger: hey :) froscon - single room for the night from sunday to monday will be 43 euro i just got told :( take it anyway? [11:28] i really hope that is the final price then [11:28] * apachelogger doesn't even know whether he can come at all -.- [11:28] but if I do I probably want to sleep ;-) [11:28] hehe well yea that is the thing [11:28] ;-) [11:29] so what do i do? order the room or do you want to do it on yoour own when there? [11:29] i assume there will be enough rooms sunday -> monday [11:29] at least that was the case last year when sebas and me checked in there [11:30] * apachelogger could sleep at the airport :P [11:30] :P [11:30] Nightrose: I guess latter is more reasonable, right? [11:30] think so as well [11:31] ok [11:31] will do that then [11:34] apachelogger: ok die frage hat sich erledigt ^^ === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo [11:57] mornin' [11:58] hi nixternal [11:58] howdy Riddell [11:59] yo nixternal [11:59] hmm, we could do with a Kubuntu version of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview [12:04] hola nixternal [12:05] Riddell: it seems they aren't doing the typical "Release Notes" now? [12:06] nixternal: no, it's changed a bit [12:06] I'm not sure on the details [12:07] cdbs makes packaging too easy [12:08] Wubbbi: teacooker is way too good :P [12:09] Riddell: working on it now [12:09] ooh [12:13] what version of KDE 4 is currently in Intrepid? [12:14] <\sh> apachelogger: sput and I are doing an overnight rock and roll over cologne, bonn, st. augustin from sat to sun.... [12:14] * Jucato is undecided on ScottK's thread :/ [12:14] !info kdebase-workspace intrepid [12:14] <\sh> apachelogger: during froscon that is [12:14] kdebase-workspace (source: kdebase-workspace): base workspace components from the official KDE 4 release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu6 (intrepid), package size 38 kB, installed size 312 kB [12:14] that always works :) [12:15] (not always.. but yeah :P) [12:15] \sh: that sounds frightening :P [12:16] <\sh> apachelogger: sat -> sun == socializing event + after 2 or 3 most people will need to sleep...but not the two of us, eventually bonsaikitten will stay awake too ;) [12:22] Nightrose: when do I have my talk, and what is the talk about? [12:22] apachelogger: packaging - when is not decided yet - i am open for suggestions [12:23] *shrug* [12:23] hm, packaging [12:23] omg what to talk about [12:24] :S [12:24] :P [12:24] It's me or Adept is b0rken? [12:24] crash after start [12:24] smarter: intrepid? [12:24] yep [12:24] adept [12:25] why? [12:25] I need to test my patches, I've waited days to have an installable kdelibs and now it crashes :/ [12:25] <\sh> "Packaging, the WTF of today" (WTF here: Will To Fight) (/me just have to annotate the meaning now, there are a lot) [12:27] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview/Kubuntu [12:28] the caveats section needs some filling in [12:47] apachelogger: meinst du dass es nicht mit Kde 4.0 kompartible ist? [12:47] Wubbbi: jo [12:47] also, halte ich für unwarhscheinlich [12:47] ok also dann ab Kde 4.1 [12:47] :) [12:48] so? "libplasma-dev (>= 4.1.0)" [12:49] * nixternal gets ready for work [12:49] oder so libplasma-dev (>= 4.1) ... oder ist das egal? [12:50] bye nixternal [12:51] so, does anyone know why Adept crashes on Intrepid? [12:51] smarter: This issue is know and wont fix, sice apedpt 3 is released [12:52] since = untill [12:52] Wubbbi: you're sure that Adept3 will be released before intrepid? [12:52] smarter: I dont know ... Riddell told me [12:54] apachelogger: well upload done. Can you take a look please :) [12:55] Wubbbi: lat0rish [12:55] * apachelogger needs to prepare kdepim for 4.1.0 [12:57] lat0rish? oO whats that? [12:58] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker [12:58] Wubbbi: later [12:58] smarter: I'm not sure, it's a troubling matter [12:59] yep :/ [12:59] most probably due to konsole [12:59] it crashes because the konsole part is not packaged? [12:59] apachelogger: yep: #1 0x000000000043f894 in adept::CommitProgress::loadKonsole (this=0x7f70bd11cb20) at /build/buildd/adept-2.1.3ubuntu26/./adept/adept/commitprogress.cpp:90 [12:59] smarter: incompability I twould say :P [13:00] ah, it loads the konsole/kde4 part? [13:00] there is no konsole-kde3 in intrepid [13:01] oh, right [13:01] Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/31258/ [13:01] happened when opening a web radio in konqueror [13:01] or rather from konqueror [13:01] well [13:02] something like konqueror -> click -> amarok -> crash [13:02] ohhh ok [13:38] Wubbbi: uploaded to new queue [13:38] apachelogger: thank you :) [14:47] apachelogger: when can I download my package via apt? [14:48] not yet all [14:48] an archive admin as to pass it through new first [14:48] and this will happen? [14:48] whenever someone feels like it :P [14:48] xD [14:49] Wubbbi: tomorrow is Riddell's archive admin days, so you might want to poke him tomorrow ;-) [14:49] good to know :) [15:03] What do you think about to make a package of this? Callin "Kde-sysinfo-new" ??? [15:03] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/New+sysinfo+1.0?content=85668 [15:03] *calling [15:04] Wubbbi: http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=85668&file1=85668-1.png&file2=85668-2.png&file3=&name=New+sysinfo+1.0&PHPSESSID=5e5e6c675fe9044ab470c7058335d4df [15:04] oe "Kde4-sysinfo-new" [15:04] you would have to strip the non-free pictures [15:04] Are there any free INTEL/AMD/NVIDIA/ATI Pictures? [15:05] so I mean do they exist? [15:05] Well first of all let me DL the source and take a look :) [15:05] well [15:05] not exactly free [15:06] these are tardemarks [15:06] *trade even [15:06] Wubbbi: best to talk to Riddell about that stuff [15:06] Wubbbi: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu [15:06] Riddell: are you here? [15:06] Wubbbi: you might have a look at the debian dir, maybe it is of any use [15:06] * apachelogger never finished the package [15:07] Wubbbi: btw, I would go with kio-sysinfo for the name [15:08] are Tardemark licents not allowed in Universe? [15:08] I mean the hole programm is GPL [15:09] Wubbbi: I think these logos don't go well with the debian free software guidelines [15:09] Hmmm ... [15:10] I can remove them. But then it doesen't look so nice :D [15:10] freedom > looking nice [15:10] why else would we have used KDE 3 :P [15:10] xD [15:12] apachelogger: sorry das muss ich jetzt mal auf deusch fragen: Und wass ist, wenn ich diese symbole mit Hardware symbolen austausche? Also dann anstadt eine ATI logo z.B. eine grafikkarte? [15:12] Das selbe mit dem prozessor [15:12] etc. [15:13] naja ich fang einfach mal an ( mir ist eh langweilig ^^ ) [15:13] Wubbbi: müssen nur unter einer freien lizenz stehen [15:14] ich glaub oxygen hat ein processor icon und auch eines das pcimäßig aussieht [15:14] ich lad mal die source von oxygen ;) [15:15] -_- die ubuntu server sind heute wieder sehr schnell [15:19] apachelogger: sind denn nur die firmenlogos unfrei oder auch die anderen dadrinne? [15:20] Wubbbi: weiß nit [15:20] die firmen logos sind mir aufgefallen :P [15:21] Wubbbi: aber der rest ist oxygen/crystalclear was man auf den screenshots sieht [15:21] ok ... dann hau ich jetzt erstmal die Firmen sachen raus und replace die mit schönen neuen :D [15:22] wenn die ubuntu server mal schneller machen ( 45,4kB/s ) -.- [15:32] jtechidna: hello :) [15:32] hi === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [15:35] apachelogger: ok the download finished and it seems, that there are nice ( usefull ) pictures ;) [15:37] hdd=system hdds= removeable? [15:37] Wubbbi: what do you mean? [15:37] jpds: bug 194438 [15:37] Launchpad bug 194438 in kmediafactory "8.04: Update to new KMediaFactory 0.6.0 for KDE4" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194438 [15:38] apachelogger: ist hdd die echte ( also im system integrierte ) Festplatte und hdds die removeable? [15:39] Wubbbi: kommt das im kio-sysinfo source vor? [15:39] ja bei den bilder [15:39] einmal hdds und einmal hdd [15:39] Wubbbi: *shrug* probieren [15:40] aber bei meiner source ... also den von kde-look [15:40] * apachelogger ist kein hellseher :P [15:40] http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=85668&file1=85668-1.png&file2=85668-2.png&file3=&name=New+sysinfo+1.0&PHPSESSID=5e5e6c675fe9044ab470c7058335d4df bei dem da [15:41] Riddell: please take a look at the debdiff attached to bug 234514 [15:41] Launchpad bug 234514 in ktorrent-kde4 "New Upstream + package merge ktorrent 3.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234514 [15:42] hmmm ... was kann ich den für die grafikkarte nehmen? da ist nix gescheites irgentwoe [15:42] Wubbbi: steck nen usb stick an und schau ;-) [15:43] Wubbbi: video-display vl? [15:44] Wubbbi: btw, ich hoffe dir ist bewusst, dass du das in debian/rules automatisieren musst ;-) [15:44] joa das bekomm ich schon hin ^^ [15:44] Any takers on website tasks? *points to the ML* [15:44] apachelogger: ich hab gedacht audio-card oder? aber das sieht so 0815 aus xD [15:45] ryanakca: the mail was so long I couldn't read it :P [15:46] hmm ok ich nehme video-display ;) [15:47] Wubbbi: up to you [15:47] apachelogger: ok the icons are now replaced [15:47] ryanakca: you should make that a wiki page with short task introductions ;-) [15:47] anyway [15:47] should i rename abou/suse to about/debian or about/ubuntu? [15:48] apachelogger: sure, I'll get to it now :) [15:48] ryanakca: you might want to steal emunkki from #rokymotion, he is doing the new amarok website and I guess with a bit of money we can get him to help us ;-) [15:49] Wubbbi: you really have to give me a context here :P [15:49] apachelogger: If you want to bribe him, feel free... but I'm broke :) [15:50] apachelogger: that mean? [15:51] ryanakca: alternately we could lend him I guess [15:51] Nightrose: how about lending us emunkki? [15:51] Wubbbi: what about/suse?!?! [15:51] I have no clue what that is does or looks like :P [15:52] apachelogger: a folder? [15:52] sysinfo/src/about/suse/images [15:52] thats the path to the icons. and it calls suse ... no good ;) [15:52] Wubbbi: I guess we just need ot add about/kubuntu replacing the stuff in there :P [15:53] done [15:53] add or rename to kubuntu? [15:55] this line is not good " m_info[ OS_SYSTEM ] = readFromFile( "/etc/SuSE-release" ); " [15:55] kubuntu dont habe /etc/SuSE-release [15:56] habe xD ... have [15:58] what patch do the kubuntu-releas have? [15:58] patch, patch :p [15:59] apachelogger: what am I looking for in bug 234514? ktorrent 3.1.1 is already in [15:59] Launchpad bug 234514 in ktorrent-kde4 "New Upstream + package merge ktorrent 3.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234514 [15:59] you could use something like "Ubuntu" + system("lsb_release -s -r"); // pseudocode, probably wrong [15:59] smarter: path xD [16:01] if my code worked, it would be "Ubuntu " + system("lsb_release -s -r"); even [16:02] Riddell: 3.0.1 not 3.1.1 [16:02] m_info[ OS_SYSTEM ] = readFromFile( "Ubuntu " + system("lsb_release -s -r") ); like this? [16:02] Wubbbi: I think I have a patch for that in the old sysinfo [16:03] can you give it to me? [16:03] please [16:03] apachelogger: ? [16:03] ah [16:03] stupid me [16:04] Riddell: please remove ktorrent-kde4 from intrepid [16:04] apachelogger: I did some time ago [16:04] indeed [16:04] Riddell: sorry [16:05] apachelogger: where is the patch? [16:06] Wubbbi: bzr branch lp:~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu [16:07] should i take that sysinfo.cpp? [16:07] use [16:07] Wubbbi: take the patch, see if it works, fix it if it does not [16:08] ok [16:08] by the way, readFromFile is for reading from a file, so not it would not work like this :P [16:12] ok done [16:13] digikam [16:13] apachelogger: why did you package the whole source and not just the debian/ dir? (: [16:14] smarter: because there are like 3000 different versions of kio-sysinfo [16:14] so I just made 3001 taking those parts which make sense for kubuntu [16:14] ok :P [16:15] and we're stealing the suse one for kde4? [16:20] smarter: suse initial started that whole thing [16:20] but never properly released code besides through their srpm [16:20] thus some distros kinda forked it's own version [16:20] then another [16:20] then someone combined these forks and published it at kde-apps [16:21] adding tons of pointless and broken features [16:22] apachelogger: what should the package call? [16:23] kio-sysinfo? [16:24] I think so [16:24] ok [16:25] ok first alpha of my package is done ... let me try to build/install/use ;) [16:46] I get an error, when I try to build that package. http://paste.ubuntu.com/31335/ what does that mean? [16:48] !info libhd13-dev intrepid [16:48] Package libhd13-dev does not exist in intrepid [16:48] Wubbbi: ^ [16:48] pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libhd13-dev which is a virtual package. [16:48] and now? [16:48] what to do? [16:50] now [16:51] apachelogger: re: kmediafactory - don't have time to do it. [16:51] apachelogger: und wie soll ich das jetzt builden, wenn es die datei nicht gibt? [16:52] Wubbbi: das paket muss irgendwie anders heißen :P [16:53] jpds: ok === hunger_t_ is now known as hunger [16:53] -.- [16:53] hwinfo-devel ??? gibt es das? [16:54] no [16:54] -.- [16:54] debian packages have -dev suffixes :P [16:55] Wubbbi: lets digg some basics ;-) [16:55] :P [16:55] gut und was soll ich jetzt machen? [16:55] xD [16:56] the package is called libhd13-dev because it holds the development headers of libhd13, libhd13 is called that way because it is a library with the name libhd and the soversion (kind of compatibility indicating version, like applications compiled against soversion 1 will probably not work with soversion 2) [16:56] so considering libhd soversion 13 is not anymore available [16:56] which one might have replaced it? [16:57] 14? xD [16:57] !info libhd14-dev intrepid [16:57] libhd14-dev (source: hwinfo): Hardware identification system library and headers. In component universe, is optional. Version 14.19-1 (intrepid), package size 736 kB, installed size 2164 kB [16:57] bingo :P [16:57] hihi ^^ [16:59] pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libhd14-dev which is a virtual package. [16:59] -.- [17:00] and now? [17:00] Wubbbi: you are building for intrepid? [17:00] yes [17:01] ah [17:01] Wubbbi: you don't have universe activate for pbuilder [17:01] -.- [17:01] how to activate? [17:03] Wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e61fa0f52f7f2442fb20f074813bd691744460b [17:04] apachelogger: sorry - was taking a nap - nope not going to give emunkki away ;-) [17:04] thx [17:05] Nightrose: bummer :/ [17:06] ryanakca: ;-) really - what do you need him for? [17:07] Nightrose: just lending [17:07] we might give him back [17:07] Nightrose: to help us tackle some of the website tasks... start page, feature tour, etc :) [17:07] ryanakca: ok - get in touch with him and try your luck - tell him apachelogger send you [17:07] * Nightrose doesn't like the _might_ in there :P [17:08] * Nightrose doesn't really mind [17:08] ^_^ [17:08] i don't have anything to do for him right now anyway [17:22] apachelogger: sould I build that package against Kde 4.1 or 3.5? [17:22] 4.1 right? [17:30] apachelogger: are you here? [17:30] apachelogger: wie muss den die rule datei aussehen? [17:30] weißt du das? [17:33] Wubbbi: die frage is sehr unpreziese [17:33] Wubbbi: und gegen welche KDE version kannst du dir nicht aussuchen [17:33] Wubbbi: programe für 4 kompilieren nicht mit 3 und anders rum [17:36] apachelogger: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteTasks [17:41] ryanakca: santiago-ve does some web programming. [17:41] ryanakca: did you ask that emunkki yet? [17:42] ryanakca: I am going to embedd some advertisment in my 4.1.0 blog, maybe it attracts some web minions ;-) [17:42] apachelogger: he's /away ... but I left a message [17:42] and thanks :) [17:42] apachelogger: da es sich um intrepid handelt, würde ich sagen nehmen wir KDE 4.1 :) [17:43] Wubbbi: das hängt vom programm ab :P [17:43] Depends on: KDE 4.x [17:43] ;) [17:44] uns was mus in die rule rein? [17:44] das weiß ich net :( [17:44] da hab ich: [17:44] #!/usr/bin/make -f [17:44] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk [17:44] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk [17:44] but allways error :/ [17:44] also muss da noch mehr hin [17:44] blos was? xD [17:46] Wubbbi: output du compilation s'il te plaît [17:47] sounds wrongish [17:47] * apachelogger jumps into -kde4 [17:48] well I have to go now ... comming again in 2 hours :) [17:48] see you [17:48] later [17:55] ryanakca: what you need me for¡? [17:56] santiago-ve: hey, would you like to out with the website? === evalles_ is now known as keffie_jayx [17:56] you know i've been interested on it :p [17:56] santiago-ve: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteTasks [18:01] santiago-ve: anything on there of interest? [18:26] ryanakca: kubuntu start page [18:26] and the countdown [18:26] just to start [18:58] can I request comments on packages in revu here? :) [18:59] SolarWar: KDE ones sure [19:00] oh, well the package does use QT :) [19:00] that too [19:00] oh okay cool, I'm looking for review comments here (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix) [19:07] testers wanted to dist upgrade tool bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/update-manager/update-manager-qt4/ [19:07] ooh, revu looks different [19:09] santiago-ve: great! Make sure to make a few mockups of the start page and poll the community about which one before actually implementing one. [19:19] SolarWar: some comments added [19:19] thank you :) [19:19] SolarWar: nearly there :) [19:20] I hope so :) [19:23] hmm google search bar is broken [19:28] Riddell, how can i reproduce your comment about "debuild -S after a comple does not clean the sources" ? [19:37] SolarWar: run debuild; debuild -S [19:37] Hello :D [19:37] apachelogger: hast du dir mal angeguckt was in die Rule muss? [19:37] nine srach deutch [19:38] Riddell: what? xD [19:38] like dont speek german? xD [19:38] best to stick to English, else nobody else can help [19:39] Riddell: I know ... but apachelogger can speek german :) [19:39] ^^ [19:39] s/nobody else/only one third of the other people here [19:40] Wubbbi: I think he meant "Ich spreche night Deutsch" :P [19:40] *nicht even [19:40] xD [19:44] Riddell, after a build is completed, i should remove the files created in debian? [19:51] apachelogger: are you away? [19:56] Wubbbi: the answer to that is very likely yes [19:56] Riddell: what's the plan for extragear 4.1 for hardy? [19:56] which is why you should ask in english so others can help you as well [19:57] apachelogger: was suggesting they should be left until after release [19:57] in favour of QA on the main body of kde [19:58] Nightrose: I wanted to build that http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/New+sysinfo+1.0?content=85668 for Intrepid. But I dont know what the debian/rule should be :/ [20:09] jtechidna: can you help me? [20:10] jtechidna: I want to build that http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/New+sysinfo+1.0?content=85668 for Intrepid. But I dont know what the debian/rule should call :/ [20:15] SolarWar: yes [20:16] Arby: the main stuff is the priority as always, but if it's done or if extragear interests people then that can be done too [20:17] the main part of kde is done so I may as well start on extragear [20:21] Riddell: can you help me? [20:22] Wubbbi: it uses cmake [20:23] and that mean? [20:23] mkdir build; cd build; cmake .. [20:23] or use cmake.mk from cdbs [20:23] include cmake.mk? [20:23] the full path to cmake.mk yes [20:24] ok and that is? ^^ [20:25] Wubbbi: include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/cmake.mk [20:25] ok [20:25] thx [20:25] I expect the debian/cdbs directory from any kde 4 package would work [20:28] Riddell: thats all? [20:28] dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 [20:28] SolarWar: "debian/rules should use dh_clean in the clean: rule " [20:28] :/ [20:32] Riddell: you know what to do? or to fix? [20:32] thats my rule [20:32] s [20:32] #!/usr/bin/make -f [20:32] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk [20:32] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk [20:32] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/cmake.mk [20:33] that's the kde 3 kde.mk files [20:33] ohhh [20:33] i need kde 4 right? whats the path? [20:34] /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk ??? [20:34] ddd [20:34] hmm, power cut [20:35] Wubbbi: no path yet, you have to copy the files from debian/cdbs from any kde 4 package [20:35] ohhh ok [20:35] any kde 4 package ... like kdebase4? [20:36] kdepimlibs [20:36] ok [20:37] Riddell: just copy or edit? [20:39] copy debian/cdbs/ [20:39] apachelogger: soo, time to upload the libs? [20:41] Riddell: ok done ... nwo any changes on rules? [20:42] well include the relevent file [20:42] how that should call? [20:42] copying from kdepimlibs would be an idea [20:43] hihi ^^ [20:45] ok done [20:45] now let's look if it works [20:47] Riddell: what does this mean? make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk'. Stop. [20:47] it means you don't have /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk [20:48] include it? [20:48] no [20:49] so I dont have to type " Include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk" ? [20:50] no [20:50] what I have to do? [20:51] debian/cdbs/kde.mk:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory [20:51] install that file [20:51] delete the line? [20:52] what file? [20:53] /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk [20:53] how to install? [20:53] apt-get install whatever package has that file [20:53] !info quilt intrepid | Wubbbi [20:54] wubbbi: quilt (source: quilt): Tool to work with series of patches. In component main, is optional. Version 0.46-6 (intrepid), package size 297 kB, installed size 824 kB [20:54] ahhh thx :) [20:55] Wubbbi: sudo aptitude install apt-file; sudo apt-file update; [20:55] apt-file search [20:55] is helpful ;) [20:56] :) thx [21:11] Riddell: m_info[ OS_SYSTEM ] = readFromFile( "/etc/SuSE-release" ); ... what to do with this ( sysinfo.cpp ) [21:11] Kubuntu is not suse ^^ [21:16] Riddell: ??? [21:26] ok the .deb is build ... but I cant install ... can someone test on Intrepid? Sending Via e-mail [21:27] I'm on hardy [21:27] ^^ [21:30] Wubbbi: for the readFromFile() thing above I think the equivalent is /etc/lsb-release [21:31] try cat /etc/lsb-release [21:31] although that reports as ubuntu [21:31] ahhh thx :) [21:32] Riddell: there? [21:32] Wubbbi: didn't somebody provide a solution to that earlier? [21:34] yuriy: yes but this wont work. But arby's solution seems to work ;O) [21:34] Wubbbi: I said to use lsb_release [21:35] smarter: realy? ohh sorry i didn't read xD [21:35] "Ubuntu " + system("lsb_release -s -r") [21:35] devfil: hi [21:35] or something like that, test, read doc, try things [21:35] Wubbbi: and not with ReadFromFile [21:36] smarter: except system will give you the return code and not the output. there's another function you have to use [21:36] What now? With ReadFromFile or read doc? [21:36] yuriy: that's why I said that he should test and read docs :P [21:36] Riddell: you know kdebase package better than me, so what do you think about bug 251452 ? I should fix it or the requested thing is not necessary? [21:36] Launchpad bug 251452 in kdebase "[intrepid] kdebase should depend on kdebase-workspace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251452 [21:36] actually.. what language is this anyway [21:37] I'm a Littlebit confused now. [21:37] devfil: kdebase is an upstream package, if they want a kde meta package I recommend kubuntu-desktop [21:37] I have changed this now [21:37] m_info[ OS_SYSTEM ] = readFromFile( "/etc/lsb-release" ); [21:37] is that ok? [21:38] ... [21:38] devfil: (or kde4-core) [21:38] Wubnbi: have you seen what's in /etc/lsb-release? [21:38] Wubbbi: I doubt it [21:38] yuriy: it's KDE and it's not python(there's a semicolon) so it must be C++ [21:39] yuriy: hmmm ... and how to change it? [21:39] Riddell: so should't the bug be fixed? [21:39] Wubbbi: Read. Docs. [21:39] what docs? [21:39] http://api.kde.org http://doc.trolltech.com [21:39] smarter: yes I have read ... and It shows me ubuntu informations [21:39] and use google, and techbase.kde.org [21:40] Riddell: aye [21:40] devfil: mark as invalid [21:40] apachelogger: ooh ooh, let's go [21:40] Wubbbi: but it shows DISTRIB_ID= and stuff [21:40] Arby: extragear is already in the batdirectory [21:40] Riddell: ok ;) [21:40] apachelogger: are you using Intrepid? [21:40] devfil: with a polite explanation along the lines I gave above :) [21:40] Wubbbi: yes [21:40] Riddell: sure [21:41] apachelogger: it wasn't filled in on the batwiki so I assumed it wasn't done [21:41] apachelogger: can you test a .deb for me? I will send you Via e-mail ... that would be great :) [21:41] *file [21:41] Arby: vorian sent most of the intrepid stuff [21:41] Arby: can upload the tars if you want [21:41] * apachelogger didn't have time to prepare the source packages yet [21:41] Wubbbi: sure [21:42] apachelogger: thankyou ... what is you e-mail adress? [21:42] apachelogger@ubuntu.com === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [21:43] apachelogger: ok is sended. you just have to wait a little bit :) [21:44] ok should be send now completly :) [21:45] d [21:45] apachelogger: und klappts? [21:49] Wubbbi: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot053.png [21:49] Wubbbi: not the OS information [21:50] +init took quite some time [21:50] at least 4 seconds until something showed up [21:50] apachelogger: hmmm ok but it works ... that mean That it was possible. [21:51] the package seesm ok [21:51] *seems [21:51] * JontheEchidna wishes he had a wide screen [21:51] apachelogger: so damit ich besser mitkomme schreib ich jetzt mal auf deutsch. Also die OS anzeige ist falsch und das starten. noch was? [21:51] Wubbbi: das rendering offensichtlich ;-) [21:51] apachelogger: wie bekomme ich das hin? [21:52] oder wie bekomme ich das DISTRIB_ID= weg? [21:52] *shrug* code anguqen [21:52] das my documents muss weg [21:52] wir setzen den pfad nicht per default [21:52] +dolphin sollte aufgrufen werden bei den common folders [21:53] d.h.? [21:53] was muss weg? ... also in dem codes? [21:53] aye [21:53] rauspatchen [21:53] wie? [21:53] ubuntu wiki -> packaging guide suchen -> bei den ergebnissen nach patch suchen [21:54] Wubbbi: du musst C++ lernen (: [21:54] smarter: amen ;) [21:55] aber ich finde dafür das das mein erstes "großes" project war, ist es garnicht so schlecht *stolzbin* ^^ [21:56] und die bösen unfreien bilder sind auch weg ;) [21:56] maybe I should take german as a third language... [21:57] JontheEchidna: im zweifelsfall einfach die OS zeile und das my documents rauspatchen [21:57] eh [21:57] Wubbbi: ^ [21:57] lol [21:57] * apachelogger is pretty drunkish again :P [21:57] emmm ... ok ... that with pachting ... I cant do this ... Im too much noob for it. Or someone explain me ^^ [21:57] but we have the 3rd design concept for the website project ;-) [21:57] Wubbbi: read the wiki [21:58] hehe ... davon verstehe ich nur die hälfte ^^ [21:58] the IMO easiest patch system is quilt [21:58] however a bit difficult to understand [21:58] so maybe smarter can give you an intro ;-) [21:58] apachelogger: before doing a patch, he should know what to patch and how :P [21:58] *flüster* wenn es das auf deutsch gäbe, würde das schon ganz anderes aussehen ;) [21:59] Wubbbi: Zuerst, find what command could give you the output "Ubuntu 8.04", "Ubuntu 7.10", etc [21:59] smarter: found [21:59] und it is? [21:59] m_info[ OS_SYSTEM ] = readFromFile( "/etc/lsb-release" ); [22:00] nah [22:00] *beep* wrong [22:00] -.- [22:00] ^^ [22:00] either parse that file [22:00] apachelogger: nooo [22:00] m_info[ OS_VERSION ] = uts.version; [22:00] das hier? [22:00] * apachelogger is wondering what smarter has in mind [22:00] ;) [22:00] hint: I've posted the answer 2/3 times earlier [22:01] "lsb_release -s -r" << give you the version number [22:01] oh [22:01] dood [22:01] that [22:01] is [22:01] ohhh [22:01] sick [22:01] by 100% [22:02] smarter: ok what to change now? [22:02] Wubbbi: Denn, du must how to use a command in a C++ code gelernt [22:02] So, use google, or api.kde.org, or doc.trolltech.com [22:03] smarter: hihi that can take month ;) [22:03] yep, but then you'll know and you'll remember it [22:04] and maybe you'll have learnt how to search something and find it [22:04] * apachelogger got too many windows [22:04] which is a useful skill, when there's nobody around to help you [22:04] yes [22:04] apachelogger: virtual desktop for the win ;) [22:04] apachelogger: and kwin desktop grid effect too [22:05] smarter: until nvidia bugs start creeping in [22:05] smarter: virtual desktops are clutteringish [22:05] also ... da wir ja nicht zeit bis November haben, wollte ich fragen was ich denn jetzt ändern muss/soll [22:05] * smarter has an ATi :P [22:05] * yuriy can't open more than a dozen windows when running at 1600x1200 before they start turning black [22:05] Wubbbi: you can search for the old kio-sysinfo on kde-apps [22:05] and look how they determine the distro there [22:05] apachelogger: kde4libs and kdepimlibs uploaded to intrepid, shall I do hardy too? [22:06] Riddell: doing hardy already [22:06] kde4libs is dep-waiting for unknown reason [22:06] now I uploaded build1 of soprano [22:06] Wubbbi: take initiatives, try things, you're computer is not going to melt down [22:06] apachelogger: done ... HÄ! ich versteh nix mehr. Ich hab doch gesagt wo wie was geändert wird. xD [22:06] Wubbbi: or you google on how to parse a file in c++ and implement it yourself [22:07] or you google now how to call an external binary from within c++ and prcoessing it's output [22:07] apachelogger: there's no need to parse a file when there's already a command for that [22:07] or you remove that line and poke upstream to implement in a reasonable manner [22:07] apachelogger: better :P [22:07] smarter: no [22:07] it's uggly [22:07] best :P [22:07] *ugly [22:07] the bash way of doing things [22:07] besides it is slower [22:07] and consumes more memory [22:08] I'm sure this app use lots of other calls to external binaries [22:08] I wonder why there's no /etc/ubuntu-release though [22:08] smarter: but not the lsb_release [22:08] yuriy: because there is lsb :P [22:08] oh [22:08] redhat and suse put in their own.. [22:08] smarter: actually there might be a c++ lib to query the lsb information [22:09] yuriy: well, they are old ;-) [22:09] though maybe that's just to be backward compatible to their pre-lsb releases [22:09] I think debian also got so a file [22:09] apachelogger: great [22:09] I even think we have that debian file in our etc ;-) [22:09] yep [22:09] apachelogger: yep. running lenny/sid here according to /etc [22:09] */etc/debian_version [22:09] lol [22:10] ok the bug with the folders is fixed. no default folders anymore ;) [22:10] it's late [22:10] g'night people [22:10] 5th power cut tonight! [22:10] * smarter hopes he will have the will to learn some PyQt tomorrow [22:11] smarter: learn enough to fix my userconfig bug! [22:11] now just the OS and the preformance [22:11] smarter: do it! [22:11] smarter: gn [22:11] yuriy: what's the bug? ;) [22:12] apachelogger: where's it build-deping? I don't see it on https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+builds?build_text=kde4libs&build_state=all [22:12] speaking of which, anybody know why it would give a "underlying C++ object deleted" other than not calling the constructor as mentioned on the riverbankcomputing FAQ? [22:14] yuriy: not calling the parent constructor is the main reason, we'd need to see the code to work out any more [22:14] apachelogger: sorry aber ich raff garnix mehr ... also ich komm nicht vorran. Also das mit den Common-Folders Habe ich hinbekommen, die sind weg. Aber das mit dem OS und der performance bekomm ich nicht hin :( [22:15] Riddell: on a related note, where should I put the code for a KDE4 version of userconfig? [22:15] Wubbbi: nicht alle sollen weg nur der für die documents ;-) [22:17] Wubbbi: bzgl os musst du rausfinden wie du die datei so parsen kannst, dass du die informationen ordnungsgemäß zusammenstopfen kannst [22:17] yuriy: ooh well, wherever you want [22:17] yuriy: guidance stuff tends to do to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/guidance [22:18] bzr push bzr+ssh://@bazaar.launchpad.net/~/guidance/ [22:18] and then into KDE's SVN at some suitable point [22:18] ok ... nur dokuments jetzt drausen. [22:19] Riddell: how does that relate to the code in kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance [22:19] Wubbbi: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu/annotate/7?file_id=sysinfo.cpp-20070522194201-i21xvic8s70oljp3-58 [22:19] apachelogger: hast du denn ne idde wie ich das orgentlich parsen können lassen kann xD [22:19] Wubbbi: search for lsb [22:19] yuriy: that's the stable kde 3 version [22:19] Wubbbi: quite hackish solution but should be working [22:19] yuriy: in KDE SVN it should go somewhere in playground until it's releaseable [22:20] Riddell: the lp project is still an umbrella thing with a bunch of different utilities in it? [22:21] yuriy: yes, just a handy place to put branches [22:23] Riddell: are any of those a "stable" one that it would make sense to branch from? [22:23] yuriy: you want to branch a stable userconfig? [22:23] apachelogger: ok ... I will build a new .deb ... let's check if it was better *I Hope* [22:23] yuriy: kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance is the stable version [22:24] Riddell: no, already did that, working off of that one. I mean if I want to push it to the bzr project [22:25] /tmp/buildd/kio-sysinfo-1.0/src/sysinfo.cpp:725: error: 'IO_ReadOnly' was not declared in this scope [22:25] /tmp/buildd/kio-sysinfo-1.0/src/sysinfo.cpp:727: error: 'class QTextStream' has no member named 'eof' [22:25] that mean? [22:25] yuriy: see push command above [22:27] there's nothing current on lp for guidance except maybe the packaging [22:27] oh, OK [22:28] good cause I didn't know about the lp project at all before [22:29] uff let me go to sleep. I will continue tomorow :/ [22:34] Riddell: ok, I created userconfig-kde4 branch. I'm out, but I'll work on it a bit tonight. I got stuck on that C++ error last night though so I think I need some help on that one [22:44] apachelogger: he/she is interested :) [22:44] cool [22:48] ryanakca: he, btw ;-) [22:48] hello apachelogger ;) [22:48] howdy emunkki [22:49] apachelogger: thanks :) [22:53] yuriy: exec_loop() is exec_() in pyQt4, changing that seems to make it do something [22:56] Hey gang, I'm at it again- I'd appreciate any comments on my package here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix [23:01] yuriy: however I see this exec_loop() is just a method in the file and the problem is self.userlist [23:04] yuriy: when porting apps I always start small, rather than copying the whole file and adapting just copying the global bits and constructor and adapting then copying bits more at a time [23:07] yuriy: just to distract you, here's something red hat are working on, maybe (or maybe not) UI ideas and code to steal http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-May/msg00006.html [23:14] yuriy: ah hah [23:15] yuriy: line 105 needs a parent [23:15] usershbox = KHBox(self) [23:15] likewise 211 [23:15] groupsvbox = KVBox(self) [23:15] it /should/ reparent itself when its part of self.addPage() but I guess not [23:15] without a parent the object disappears at the end of the method [23:20] ok I'm back now apachelogger are you online? [23:21] * apachelogger is watching a movie [23:21] Wubbbi: you are missing includes [23:21] take a look at the heading parts of the source file you got the code from [23:23] where? [23:23] sysinfo.cpp? [23:25] apachelogger ? [23:25] yes [23:26] nooo. they both have the same include files [23:28] apachelogger ??? was meinst du genau? [23:29] oh [23:29] I forgot [23:29] the code is Qt3 :P [23:29] oO [23:29] Wubbbi: I think you should just remove the OS line [23:29] ok [23:29] until you find someone to implement it properly [23:30] or upstream does [23:30] or you find out how to do it [23:31] ok ... I have solved some other small bugs ( Performance ). I will build a .deb ... can you test please? [23:37] apachelogger: ok e-mail sended. :) [23:38] apachelogger: works? [23:39] didn't arrive yet [23:39] hmm ... just wait ^^ "send succesfull" is here [23:41] apachelogger: arived? [23:41] no [23:41] -_- [23:41] well ... wait xD [23:43] and now? [23:45] apachelogger: arived? [23:46] nope [23:46] -_- [23:48] apachelogger: and now? [23:52] apachelogger [23:52] apachelogger? [23:53] apachelogger ? [23:54] this is getting floody [23:54] no it's not [23:54] * apachelogger is busy with 4.1.0 [23:54] ok ^^