| tanath | say i want to become a good open source developer. what would be the best way to get started? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | tanath: Find an itch, scratch it. | 00:14 |
| tanath | RAOF: well, that addresses motive, but beyond that... | 00:14 |
| tanath | RAOF: and i did say _good_ developer... ;) | 00:15 |
| RAOF | So, if the itch is "this program doesn't quite do what I want", the scratch would be writing a patch that conforms to the style and other guidelines of the existing code, and submitting it either to the mailinglist or bug tracker or both. | 00:15 |
| tanath | RAOF: what about learning good style, and common OS practices, etc... | 00:15 |
| tanath | where do you find guidelines, etc.? | 00:16 |
| RAOF | Well, style varies from project to project. | 00:16 |
| tanath | ok, but there ought to be suggested standards somewhere, whether they're generally followed or not... | 00:16 |
| RAOF | Read a bit of the project's code, check out the website, check out the HACKING/HACKERS file if they have one. | 00:16 |
| tanath | and if you're looking to start your own? | 00:17 |
| RAOF | tanath: GNU have suggested coding standards; but the most important standard is 'looks like the rest of the code' :) | 00:17 |
| tanath | hehe | 00:17 |
| tanath | that would seem to be common sense... :P | 00:17 |
| tanath | a matter of maintainability | 00:18 |
| RAOF | So, writing your own thing has 3 big things: some form of public version contol, a mailing list, and BIG SHINY LICENSE HEADERS ON ALL FILES. | 00:18 |
| RAOF | The last one there is mainly to make it not eye-gougeingly painful for distributions to package your code. | 00:19 |
| Volkodav | when I start compix it kicks in but errors Checking for Xgl: not present. | 00:19 |
| RAOF | Volkodav: Not an error. | 00:19 |
| Volkodav | /usr/bin/compiz.real (ezoom) - Error: InitObject failed | 00:19 |
| Volkodav | /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't activate plugin 'ezoom' | 00:19 |
| tanath | there are public services for some things... | 00:19 |
| RAOF | If you were using ATI it would also say "Checking for nvidia: not present" | 00:20 |
| Volkodav | well I have no cube or wobbly windows though | 00:20 |
| Volkodav | I am on nvidia | 00:20 |
| tanath | RAOF: i understand launchpad enables users to have their own repos, for instance. there's also sourceforge.. | 00:20 |
| RAOF | tanath: Yes. I'd suggest launchpad, which gives you bzr hosting, a bugtracker, mailinglists, translation services. | 00:20 |
| tanath | RAOF: dunno about mailing lists though | 00:20 |
| tanath | RAOF: ah | 00:20 |
| RAOF | Launchpad really is pretty cool; better than any of the other hosting sites I've seen. | 00:21 |
| tanath | RAOF: i like what i see so far | 00:21 |
| tanath | i did some googling and didn't find any good places to start for someone with this question | 00:22 |
| RAOF | The GNU project might have guidelines. | 00:22 |
| RAOF | And it's often good to use the same style as the major library you're using. | 00:23 |
| RAOF | So mono code would use the Mono project guidelines, a GTK+ app written in C would use the GTK style guidelines, etc. | 00:23 |
| tanath | what if i'd rather support a given standard and conform to that? | 00:24 |
| RAOF | That's also fine. | 00:24 |
| tanath | are you familiar with anything other than GNU recommendations? | 00:24 |
| RAOF | Consistant across your codebase is what you're after, but your codebase is your own :) | 00:24 |
| tanath | indeed | 00:24 |
| RAOF | But really, the most important things are: public version control, some easy way of contacting you/the project, and clear licensing. | 00:25 |
| tanath | so what are some good starting points for learning about public version control, developing deb packages, etc.? | 00:26 |
| RAOF | You probably don't need to worry about packaging; most projects don't. | 00:26 |
| RAOF | That's what we're for :) | 00:26 |
| tanath | hrm? | 00:26 |
| tanath | but if you want to get into maintaining your own packages? | 00:27 |
| RAOF | !packagingguide | 00:27 |
| ubottu | The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports | 00:27 |
| tanath | you part of MOTU? | 00:29 |
| RAOF | As for version control, I'd use bzr: http://bazaar-vcs.org | 00:29 |
| RAOF | Yah. | 00:29 |
| tanath | love the name :P | 00:29 |
| tanath | thanks | 00:29 |
| tanath | wby bzr? | 00:29 |
| tanath | *why | 00:29 |
| RAOF | (1) It's a distributed VCS, and that's really useful. | 00:30 |
| RAOF | (2) It's really, really easy to use. | 00:30 |
| RAOF | (3) Launchpad has excellent bzr hosting | 00:30 |
| RAOF | (4) A couple of my friends work on it :) | 00:30 |
| tanath | how does a distributed VCS work? | 00:31 |
| RAOF | The basic difference between a centralised and distributed VCS is that in the distributed VCS there isn't a technologically-mandated 'trunk'. | 00:33 |
| tanath | hm | 00:33 |
| RAOF | Projects still have a 'trunk', but it's there by community consent, basically. | 00:33 |
| tanath | what about learning about various environmental aspects of linux development? like there's various things like dbus... | 00:34 |
| RAOF | The bazaar-vcs page can probably explain this better. | 00:34 |
| tanath | will look into it | 00:35 |
| RAOF | tanath: There's not really a unified "go-to" page for that; The gnome developer library might be good, and I think KDE has a similar thing. | 00:35 |
| tanath | yeah | 00:35 |
| tanath | what about mentoring. it's talked about on launchpad. how does that work? | 00:36 |
| tanath | is there a system of some sort? or is it just basically getting someone to help you along? | 00:36 |
| RAOF | Launchpad has a button that a developer can press to say that they're available to help someone on a particular thing. | 00:37 |
| RAOF | Mostly bugs. It's ad-hoc; there's no system there. | 00:37 |
| tanath | well, then i imagine the developer might have something specific in mind, whereas the person looking for a mentor may have something else in mind... | 00:38 |
| tanath | perhaps there ought to be a bit of a system | 00:38 |
| RAOF | Perhaps, but I'm not sure how that would work. | 00:40 |
| RAOF | Anyway, I'm off. Good luck! | 00:40 |
| tanath | thanks | 00:40 |
| Volkodav | when I turn compiz off I loose borders on all windows in xfce | 01:01 |
| Volkodav | what's the fix? | 01:01 |
| DanaG | yay, kernel panic! | 01:10 |
| DanaG | Thanks, bluez! | 01:10 |
| tanath | Volkodav: you need to rerun your window manager | 01:12 |
| DanaG2 | ... and again. | 01:12 |
| DanaG2 | .... and a third time... but this time, I did it at console. | 01:12 |
| DanaG2 | The only really important thing I can read (everything else is off the top, and not scrollback'able): | 01:13 |
| DanaG2 | EIP: [<f8b52df1>] hci_usb_tx_process+0x211/0x3a0 [hci_usb] SS:ESP 0068:f1337cd4 | 01:14 |
| DanaG2 | Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt | 01:14 |
| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
| ptn107 | anyone else have a problem with Remote Desktop Viewer (vinagre) just closing the second it opens? | 01:27 |
| ptn107 | no bugs are reported for it, it could be just my machine | 01:27 |
| Belboz99 | ptn107: I'll check just as soon as I finish installing Alpha 3 | 01:28 |
| Belboz99 | I ran out of disk space on my VM :-P | 01:29 |
| ptn107 | o | 01:29 |
| ptn107 | i got it running on my spare laptop, i must say ive had no other problems with it | 01:29 |
| G_009 | !bug | 01:29 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 01:29 |
| Belboz99 | I've got almost 2TB on my home LAN, and it's all 95% full :( | 01:29 |
| * DanaG wishes backuppc worked better. | 01:32 | |
| DanaG | I'm not sure what's bottlenecking it... but it's not even getting 10 megabits throughput on the network. | 01:32 |
| DanaG | Granted, it is writing to a USB 2.0 hard drive, so there's some CPU usage involved.... | 01:32 |
| DanaG | but I'd expect at least, oh, 5 megabits throughput; isn't that reasonable? | 01:32 |
| DanaG | damn bluez. | 01:45 |
| DanaG | BLuetooth audio does not work for me. | 01:45 |
| DanaG | yay, hci-usb kernel panics.l | 01:49 |
| DanaG | Aah... it only panic if connected to a USB 2.0 port. | 01:56 |
| === marko-_- is now known as Ubuntu | ||
| === Ubuntu is now known as marko-_- | ||
| * DanaG goes around grumbling. | 02:04 | |
| Belboz99 | Hey all, I have one question, will there ever be an alternative for the now-defunct dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to configure graphics options through the CLI? | 02:30 |
| === nickrud_ is now known as nickrud | ||
| sarah_bear | hey guys, how is intrepid ibex? | 02:31 |
| Belboz99 | because I've wasted way too much damn time trying to alter xorg.conf files manually | 02:31 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: I don't think that there's any such tool planned. | 02:31 |
| Belboz99 | fark | 02:31 |
| RAOF | What options do you need to tweak? | 02:31 |
| Belboz99 | I just need to set resolution | 02:31 |
| Belboz99 | the display detection doesn't work most of the time through the GUI | 02:31 |
| RAOF | Then, unless you've got a crazy xorg.conf, you don't need to edit it. | 02:32 |
| Belboz99 | so, it ends up giving 2 options, 640x480 and 800x600 | 02:32 |
| RAOF | Which means your driver is failing, yes. | 02:32 |
| sarah_bear | where can i download intrepid ibex? | 02:32 |
| RAOF | Care to post xorg.conf & Xorg.0.log? | 02:32 |
| Belboz99 | RAOF: I'm using VBox | 02:32 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: Isn't there a vbox X driver available? | 02:33 |
| Belboz99 | but also, I've had problems before with other machines on 8.04, especially the big LCD TV | 02:33 |
| Belboz99 | right, there is | 02:33 |
| RAOF | And this driver isn't working? | 02:33 |
| Belboz99 | I believe that's what it uses, but every time I change the xorg file it won't restart the GUI, and then when I restart the VM it complains that the Xorg file is broken | 02:33 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, here's one piece of advice: disable bulletproof-X; it causes more pain than it's worth, in my experience. | 02:34 |
| RAOF | Well, that suggests that your xorg.conf is broken. Why don't you delete it? | 02:34 |
| Belboz99 | RAOF: right, that driver is not working ATM | 02:34 |
| scyrma | how' | 02:34 |
| scyrma | .. how's the weather in intrepid this morning? | 02:34 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, here's one lovely thing to deal with: broken EDID. | 02:34 |
| RAOF | DanaG: I don't think Bulletproof X is enabled at the moment; I haven't hit it recently. | 02:34 |
| DanaG | Toshiba has that, and it even affects Windows. | 02:35 |
| Belboz99 | I'm in bulletproof-X, and it tells me configuration test failed, Screen was left at default, and Graphics card was set to VBox | 02:35 |
| DanaG | At least, some of their older laptops have that issue. | 02:35 |
| DanaG | =þ | 02:35 |
| DanaG | They identify 1024x768 as 976x768. | 02:35 |
| DanaG | Or some stupid thing like that. | 02:35 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: xorg.conf & Xorg.0.log are what I need to be able to give you sensible advice. | 02:35 |
| Belboz99 | okay, give me a moment | 02:36 |
| DanaG | MMm.... and the newer versions of the bluetooth utilities have an entirely NONFUNCTIONING audio service. | 02:39 |
| DanaG | It doesn't even let you try to START the audio service. | 02:39 |
| Belboz99 | http://rafb.net/p/rSIpnm64.html | 02:39 |
| DanaG | odd... for once, it worked.... | 02:39 |
| DanaG | despite the lack of audio service. | 02:39 |
| Belboz99 | RAOF: that's with a few modifications, I couldn't change the resolution, even straight Out-of-the-box | 02:40 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: And your Xorg.0.log? | 02:40 |
| RAOF | That's where the real meat will be. | 02:40 |
| DanaG | Mmmm, okay... | 02:41 |
| DanaG | then it gave an oops... | 02:41 |
| DanaG | and made PulseAudio and aplay devour a total of 100% of BOTH cpu cores. | 02:41 |
| Belboz99 | http://rafb.net/p/F5QnDz59.html | 02:42 |
| Belboz99 | sorry for the delay RAOF, I'm working between a really small VM window and a standard Ubuntu installation, with no paste between them for some reason | 02:42 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: got internet? apt-get install pastebinit | 02:43 |
| IdleOne | Belboz99, using virtualbox? | 02:43 |
| DanaG | Mmm, and now PulseAudio segfaulted. | 02:44 |
| IdleOne | right ctrl+f for full screen and right ctrl+l to minimize | 02:44 |
| DanaG | Don't you just love the state of Bluetooth audio in Linux? | 02:44 |
| DanaG | Brokenness all around, no matter how you slice it and dice it. | 02:44 |
| Belboz99 | okay, pastebinit is installed | 02:44 |
| Belboz99 | IdleOne: ctrl+f does make it go full screen, but the OS still only uses 1/4 the area of my display | 02:45 |
| IdleOne | strange | 02:45 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: Now, pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 02:45 |
| IdleOne | well you got pastebinit now so should be easier for you | 02:46 |
| Belboz99 | http://pastebin.com/f7573a9a | 02:46 |
| DanaG | Argh, it also irritates me that I can't 'killall -9 quodlibet' | 02:46 |
| G_009 | DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered | 02:47 |
| Belboz99 | oops, typo | 02:47 |
| RAOF | Heh. Empty pastebin! | 02:47 |
| Belboz99 | http://pastebin.com/f75735a9a | 02:47 |
| Belboz99 | there ya be ;) | 02:48 |
| RAOF | Right; so, it's not using the VBox driver. | 02:49 |
| Belboz99 | right, it's using vesa | 02:50 |
| RAOF | So, what happens if you move the xorg.conf out of the way? | 02:51 |
| DanaG | Mmmm: underrun!!! (at least 74873.454 ms long) | 02:51 |
| RAOF | 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup', or something. | 02:51 |
| Belboz99 | RAOF: do you happen to know the exact name of the vbox driver? | 02:51 |
| Belboz99 | I was thinking of specifying that in xorg.conf | 02:51 |
| DanaG | I: sink-input.c: Created input [number that keeps counting up as sound skips repeatedly] on alsa_output.bluetooth with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left, front-right | 02:52 |
| DanaG | It went all the way from somewhere around 20 or 50 all the way up to 231... and then stopped. | 02:53 |
| DanaG | And hung with silence. | 02:53 |
| DanaG | And when I move the stream to a different sink... pulseaudio segfaults. | 02:53 |
| Belboz99 | RAOF: moving it out of the way just does the same as first boot, 800x600 :( | 02:56 |
| Belboz99 | no vbox driver either I don't think | 02:56 |
| DanaG | how the fack are you supposed to move a stream when it keeps popping up and going away repeatedly? | 03:01 |
| DanaG | It's like whack-a-mole with 1/4 second timing. | 03:02 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: Oh, that's going to be one problem; there _isn't_ a a vbox X driver, just a vmware one. | 03:02 |
| RAOF | So, the problem is that vesa doesn't like what VBox is saying. | 03:04 |
| Belboz99 | ah, IC | 03:04 |
| DanaG | MMmm, and PulseAudio just segfaulted again. | 03:05 |
| DanaG | Why is it not bringing up apport? | 03:05 |
| RAOF | You could _possibly_ fix this by adding a 'Virtual 1024 768' line to your Screen section. | 03:05 |
| DanaG | How DO you killall by name some thing that doesn't name itself? | 03:05 |
| DanaG | quodlibet runs as "python" -- so it's dangerous to just killall that. | 03:06 |
| RAOF | DanaG: By pid, of course. | 03:06 |
| DanaG | That's a pain. | 03:06 |
| DanaG | Is there at least a one-liner that'll automatically get the pid? | 03:06 |
| G_009 | !language | 03:06 |
| ubottu | Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 03:06 |
| RAOF | You could probably file a bug; quodlibet shouldn't be using /usr/bin/env python | 03:06 |
| DanaG | "pain" is not bad. | 03:06 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: Your problem seems to be that VESA doesn't like the monitor that VBox is pretending to be; it tries a less-strict mode, but before it does that it sets the virtual size to 800 600 | 03:07 |
| DanaG | I left off "in the...". | 03:07 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: Incidentally... file a bug :) | 03:07 |
| DanaG | oh, I see, it was the 'f'. | 03:07 |
| DanaG | A bit late on that one. =þ | 03:07 |
| RAOF | Belboz99: Since the total resolution of all attached displays can't exceed the virtual size, you lose the 1024x768 mode. | 03:08 |
| Belboz99 | ouch | 03:15 |
| DanaG | grrargh, bluetooth. | 03:50 |
| scyrma | hmm... latest firefox package segfaults on http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=102042 ... don't know if anonymous access is possible, you might need a (free) account to see it. Tried to start firefox with -safe-mode, did the same thing | 04:30 |
| scyrma | though thunderbird works well today, so I'm happy :) | 04:31 |
| burner | anyone know how to change the audio output for flash? it's coming out of my internal speaker all of a sudden | 04:50 |
| crimsun | burner: use pavucontrol | 04:57 |
| crimsun | and yes, the pc speaker issue is known and being addressed. | 04:57 |
| DanaG | Ideally, it'd only be used if nothing else exists. | 04:58 |
| DanaG | I actually can see some use cases for that -- it'd let servers make warning sounds, and such. | 04:58 |
| DanaG | Without having to deal with real sound cards, that is. | 04:59 |
| crimsun | except there's no sane initial (default) volume control or level. | 05:00 |
| crimsun | that makes the pc speaker all but useluss | 05:00 |
| crimsun | useless* | 05:00 |
| DanaG | Aah. Well, a sane default volume would be minimum -- and then let people increase it if they want to use it. | 05:02 |
| DanaG | You'd want to disable the module by default, anyway... but don't not-compile it, because some people might want to explicitly enable it. | 05:02 |
| DanaG | s/disable/blacklist/ | 05:02 |
| crimsun | "minimum"? what is that? | 05:04 |
| DanaG | Zero. | 05:04 |
| DanaG | Muted. | 05:04 |
| DanaG | Whatever | 05:05 |
| DanaG | . | 05:05 |
| crimsun | and luke is not disabling or blacklisting the kernel driver. Instead, he'll ignore it in PulseAudio's hal parsing. | 05:05 |
| DanaG | Aah. That makes sense -- then if people want it, they can explicitly load it. | 05:05 |
| burner | aww yeah! pavucontrol is sweet. I knew it was a known issue about the internal speaker, thanks for the workaround crimsun | 05:26 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| DanaG | (EE) SAVAGE(0): DRI isn't enabled | 06:06 |
| DanaG | (WW) SAVAGE(0): Direct rendering disabled | 06:06 |
| DanaG | How do I enable DRI? | 06:06 |
| RAOF | On savage? | 06:09 |
| RAOF | That's a blast from the past. | 06:09 |
| DanaG | Yeah. | 06:13 |
| DanaG | It | 06:13 |
| DanaG | It's an old Athlon XP laptop. | 06:13 |
| DanaG | Chip is "TwisterK" | 06:13 |
| DanaG | I don't expect 3D... but even 2D things like Firefox scrolling are being slow. | 06:13 |
| DanaG | Even without compositing in Metacity. | 06:13 |
| RAOF | Well, that's not DRI | 06:13 |
| DanaG | Oh. | 06:13 |
| RAOF | DRI is _exactly_ 3D. | 06:13 |
| RAOF | As for 2D being slow... seems like it sucks to have a savage card. | 06:14 |
| DanaG | Hmm, well, I wonder what I can even do with Savage in 3D. | 06:15 |
| RAOF | Perhaps you could play with the XAA acceleration options; I doubt it's using EXA. | 06:15 |
| DanaG | EXA just makes the screen become garbage. | 06:15 |
| DanaG | I've tried several times over the past year or so (same laptop). | 06:16 |
| RAOF | I'm surprised X even starts when you try. | 06:16 |
| RAOF | I wouldn't have thought that there'd've been any EXA hookup in that driver. | 06:16 |
| DanaG | man savage. | 06:19 |
| DanaG | It does offer EXA. | 06:19 |
| RAOF | Wow. | 06:20 |
| RAOF | I stand corrected. | 06:20 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, does VIA Rhine ethernet just suck? I'm using backuppc on that laptop (Athlon XP 1.2GHz, with 768 megs of RAM, though 32 go to the video chip). | 06:20 |
| DanaG | I'm getting pathetic throughput on it, for some reason. | 06:21 |
| LSD|Ninja | Everything VIA has a nasty tendency to suck | 06:21 |
| DanaG | I am using a USB hard drive, true enough... | 06:21 |
| DanaG | but I'd expect to get at least 5 megabits, not just 200 kilobits or so. | 06:21 |
| DanaG | How can I benchmark the NIC? | 06:21 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, is there a way to make HAL mount USB hard drives even before I log in? | 06:44 |
| DanaG | Woah, I fixed DRI. | 06:47 |
| DanaG | Having nvidia installed on a non-nvidia-containing system == bad. | 06:47 |
| DanaG | Bummer... no NPOT support. | 06:49 |
| DanaG | non-power-of-two. | 06:49 |
| DanaG | Woah, aiglx works with it. | 06:52 |
| DanaG | I can run the flux screensaver from it (ssh client is nvidia). | 06:52 |
| DanaG | I'm getting 2 megabytes per second received by the nvidia box. | 06:52 |
| LSD|Ninja | I wish NetworkManager had an option to start interfaces at boot. It's a pain to have to be logged in in order to get connectivity >_< | 06:53 |
| DanaG | Note to self...... | 06:53 |
| DanaG | don't run compiz over ssh. | 06:54 |
| DanaG | =þ | 06:54 |
| DanaG | It kills the local box. | 06:54 |
| DanaG | er | 06:54 |
| DanaG | kills the local X. | 06:54 |
| * DanaG is laughing at himself. | 06:54 | |
| RAOF | LSD|Ninja: That's been slated for 0.7 for a while; I dunno if it's in yet. | 06:55 |
| RAOF | DanaG: Yeah, nvidia-glx breaks *. I believe fglrx does the same. | 06:55 |
| DanaG | Oh, hmm. | 06:55 |
| DanaG | I'm ssh'd from the savage box into the nvidia box now. | 06:56 |
| DanaG | I can run metacity over ssh, and it works. | 06:56 |
| DanaG | And has compositing, too. | 06:56 |
| RAOF | You _may_ be able to run compiz. nVidia's GL stack should allow it. | 06:56 |
| DanaG | I tried ssh from savage->nvidia box. | 06:56 |
| DanaG | Running compiz spits out the NPOT issue. | 06:56 |
| RAOF | Oh, right. | 06:57 |
| DanaG | Running nvidia->savage kills X on the nvidia box. | 06:57 |
| RAOF | Orly? | 06:57 |
| RAOF | Cool. | 06:57 |
| DanaG | I mean, running compiz that way does. | 06:58 |
| DanaG | But some other OpenGL stuff works. | 06:58 |
| DanaG | Like rss-glx "flux" screensaver. | 06:58 |
| RAOF | Compiz is pretty good at exercising corner cases. | 06:59 |
| * DanaG is trying tremulous under savage->nv | 07:00 | |
| DanaG | Works slowly, crappily. | 07:00 |
| DanaG | And it outputs audio on the nvidia box. | 07:00 |
| DanaG | interesting... glxheads over ssh runs on the box I'm ssh'd into, not on the local. | 07:02 |
| DanaG | How do you make "savage" stretch the LCD image? | 07:13 |
| DanaG | !find asm/io.h | 07:25 |
| ubottu | Package/file asm/io.h does not exist in intrepid | 07:25 |
| DanaG | find io.h | 07:25 |
| DanaG | er | 07:25 |
| DanaG | !find io.h | 07:25 |
| ubottu | File io.h found in abs-guide, abuse-frabs, anarchism, apache2-doc, aplus-fsf-doc (and 394 others) | 07:25 |
| DanaG | nope... | 07:28 |
| Finnish | Where do I find new themes for Ibex? | 07:31 |
| LSD|Ninja | Same place you would anything else, it's just GNOME | 07:31 |
| DanaG | Argh... I had to manually find the right path in /usr/src/linux-headers..... | 07:32 |
| LSD|Ninja | I simply used the Nodoka packages I alien'd from the Fedora RPMs I was using on Hardy. Seem to work just fine. | 07:32 |
| DanaG | I'm using the "nanolx" theme repo. | 07:32 |
| Finnish | So I need to define a repo for a theme? | 07:34 |
| DanaG | http://www.nanolx.org/ | 07:34 |
| DanaG | http://www.nanolx.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=1 | 07:35 |
| RAOF | LSD|Ninja: You're aware that nodoka is in Intrepid, right? | 07:35 |
| LSD|Ninja | RAOF: It is? o_O | 07:36 |
| * RAOF liked the theme, so it is. It's in Lenny, too. | 07:36 | |
| RAOF | It really isn't much effort to maintain a gtk-engine or two :) | 07:37 |
| LSD|Ninja | I'll keep that in mind when I get around to reinstalling Intrepid | 07:37 |
| DanaG | My theme: | 07:37 |
| DanaG | http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png | 07:37 |
| LSD|Ninja | heh, I installed Nodoka to get away from the crappy orange :P | 07:38 |
| DanaG | I got away from the crappy orange to a nice orange. | 07:39 |
| DanaG | My screen is too dim to use anything darker. | 07:39 |
| DanaG | s/to/for me to/ | 07:40 |
| DanaG | Do an image search for 'nodoka' and you'll find who the name reminds me of. | 07:41 |
| DanaG | I wonder which would be better for backuppc: | 08:03 |
| DanaG | A. Athlon XP 1.2GHz, 768 (minus 32) MB RAM, via-rhine ethernet | 08:04 |
| DanaG | oh, and SDRAM, at that. | 08:04 |
| DanaG | B. Celeron 1.5GHz, 256MB DDR RAM, Intel e100 ethernet. | 08:04 |
| DanaG | BOth would need a cardbus ethernet card. | 08:05 |
| LSD|Ninja | DanaG: why would the Intel one need an ethernet card, onboard dead? | 08:07 |
| DanaG | er | 08:18 |
| DanaG | silly me | 08:18 |
| DanaG | s/ethernet/USB 2.0/ | 08:19 |
| DanaG | =þ | 08:19 |
| chowmeined | why is intrepid so slow compared to hardy? | 08:46 |
| hyperair | does anybody know when nvidia-glx-96 is going to work again? | 09:40 |
| LSD|Ninja | hyperair: maybe when Ubuntu get around to updating it to .07, maybe not | 09:40 |
| LSD|Ninja | hyperair: Depends whether nVidia fixed it for the latest round of xorg breakage or not | 09:40 |
| RAOF | Nouveau's grown some XVMC acceleration... :) | 09:41 |
| RAOF | But not if you need nvidia-glx-96, I think. | 09:41 |
| hyperair | wait.. there's a .07? | 09:42 |
| LSD|Ninja | All I want is to get compiz running, will nouveau do that? | 09:42 |
| LSD|Ninja | hyperair: for a while now, Ubuntu haven't updated to it yet | 09:42 |
| hyperair | nope it won't | 09:42 |
| hyperair | LSD|Ninja: does .07 work for the latest round of xorg breakage? | 09:42 |
| LSD|Ninja | hyperair: I don't know, I've been waiting for it to hit the repos so I don't break stuff later | 09:43 |
| hyperair | i see. | 09:44 |
| hyperair | well i stupidly upgraded my hardy to intrepid and now i am compizless in ubuntu | 09:44 |
| hyperair | so i'm sticking with my archlinux until intrepid gets compiz back working for me.... | 09:44 |
| hyperair | or.... | 09:44 |
| hyperair | i lose my patience with archlinux entirely | 09:45 |
| hyperair | then i'll just install hardy again | 09:45 |
| RAOF | LSD|Ninja: No, nouveau aint gonna give you compiz. Not for a while. | 09:46 |
| LSD|Ninja | That's what I thought ;) | 09:46 |
| * hyperair wonders whether ati cards are safe to use yet | 09:46 | |
| LSD|Ninja | r300 wasn't too bad last I checked and is in Intrepid afaik, not sure about the newer ones though | 09:47 |
| RAOF | fglrx is getting much better. | 09:47 |
| RAOF | But, as always, don't grab the newest cards :) | 09:48 |
| hyperair | hahah | 09:48 |
| hyperair | i see | 09:48 |
| hyperair | well | 09:48 |
| hyperair | i'll grab an nvidia imo | 09:48 |
| hyperair | or intel | 09:48 |
| DanaG | My next laptop will likely have an HD3600-series. | 09:48 |
| LSD|Ninja | RAOF: or the oldest either in this case :P | 09:48 |
| hyperair | are there any intels that don't work with compiz? | 09:48 |
| RAOF | hyperair: None that you can buy now. | 09:49 |
| hyperair | goody | 09:49 |
| LSD|Ninja | hyperair: My GMA950 did, I expecte X3100 should by now, the new one will probably have teething trouble but that'll work out eventually | 09:49 |
| RAOF | LSD|Ninja: You need to go _old_ before you hit an ati card that won't do compiz now. | 09:49 |
| hyperair | hmm | 09:49 |
| LSD|Ninja | RAOF: I was being general, the older nVidia's need older drivers which is the problem here :P | 09:50 |
| RAOF | Right. | 09:50 |
| RAOF | At least when ATI drops support for a card there's a pretty much fully-featured open-source driver to catch you. | 09:50 |
| RAOF | We need to keep 4 frikkin nvidia drivers in the archives. | 09:51 |
| telexicon | RAOF, like mine | 09:52 |
| telexicon | except the open source driver has a lot of problems with this card | 09:52 |
| LSD|Ninja | RAOF: The only reason for that was the last card series ATi dropped support for predated them closing their drivers | 09:53 |
| DanaG | What's a good filesystem for storing backups of multiple computers? | 09:53 |
| RAOF | DanaG: EXT3? | 09:53 |
| DanaG | Needs to be relatively fast, and not run out of inodes. | 09:54 |
| * RAOF still thinks EXT3 is likely to be the winner | 09:54 | |
| DanaG | What of XFS or JFS or reiser? | 09:55 |
| RAOF | XFS isn't exactly the first filesystem I think of when I hear "backup". | 09:55 |
| DanaG | Hmm. | 09:56 |
| DanaG | Can't say I know anything about it, anyway. | 09:56 |
| LSD|Ninja | all variants of reiser are pretty much dead (no pun intended, honest) now, JFS I don't know anything about it and XFS probably isn't what you want on a backup drive. ext3 is well proven and reliable so you're probably best to stick with that | 09:56 |
| telexicon | ive never had troubles with xfs | 09:56 |
| telexicon | but the code complexity is troublesome | 09:56 |
| LSD|Ninja | Neither have I but I still wouldn't recommend it where integrity is of the utmost importance | 09:57 |
| telexicon | i wish they'd hurry up with btrfs v_v | 09:57 |
| LSD|Ninja | If you don't treat xfs with respect, you will lose stuff. It's just how it works. | 09:57 |
| DanaG | Hmm, so how do I ensure that I'll have enough inodes on ext3? | 09:57 |
| RAOF | By taking the default setup, I believe. | 09:58 |
| DanaG | There'll be one XP MCE (really essentially pro) machine, one XP Home, one Vista Ultimate / Ubuntu combo. | 09:59 |
| RAOF | I'm not aware of inode exhaustion being a serious problem with ext3; what's going to be special with your setup that you'd be hitting an inode limit? | 09:59 |
| DanaG | So it'll need lots of inodes. | 09:59 |
| DanaG | And the partition is currently... oh... | 09:59 |
| DanaG | hmm... checking size. | 09:59 |
| LSD|Ninja | DanaG: If it's mostly Windows machines then consider one of those Windows Home Server boxes, backing up Windows boxes is opne of the functions of the software | 09:59 |
| DanaG | Partition is currently ~350 gigs; drive is a 700 (real) gig drive. | 10:00 |
| RAOF | DanaG: And it'll have a lot of inodes; I think the only way you'll run out of inodes is if you want to create billions of zero-byte files. | 10:00 |
| DanaG | I can just do "system state" backups on each box locally, and then do file backups of user profiles. | 10:00 |
| DanaG | hmm, still can't decide what FS to use. | 10:04 |
| RAOF | ext3. It's not default for nothing :) | 10:05 |
| RAOF | Although it really doesn't matter very much. The filesystem is unlikely to be your bottleneck. | 10:05 |
| DanaG | Can you change the number of inodes after the fact> | 10:07 |
| DanaG | ? | 10:07 |
| RAOF | I don't think so. | 10:07 |
| RAOF | But, again, I don't think inode exhaustion is a problem you'll actually _hit_. | 10:07 |
| DanaG | I noticed high iowait times when using the backup thingy, but I wasn't getting even close to the USB 2.0 theoretical bandwidth (or even to the 20 megabytes per second I'd usually see). | 10:08 |
| DanaG | I was seeing more like 5 megabytes per second, tops. | 10:08 |
| RAOF | You're backing up to an external USB drive? | 10:08 |
| DanaG | For now, yes. | 10:09 |
| DanaG | I may get an eSATA card, though. | 10:09 |
| DanaG | It'll likely still be that Athlon XP laptop, though. | 10:09 |
| RAOF | Basically, the impression I've got from the benchmarks I've seen is that ext is not really significantly slower than the other options under reasonable use. | 10:10 |
| LSD|Ninja | it used to be | 10:10 |
| LSD|Ninja | They implemented some speedups a while back that improved it a lot | 10:11 |
| RAOF | There are specific things that other filesystems do better at, but I don't remember any that you'd be likely to hit. | 10:11 |
| RAOF | ext also has the advantage of being reasonably CPU cheap. | 10:11 |
| RAOF | Bah. How are you supposed to properly unittest C# code when all the implementation is private! | 10:12 |
| DanaG | Note that it'll also have a helluvalot of hard links. | 10:12 |
| RAOF | Many of which will be linked to files of reasonable size. | 10:13 |
| DanaG | So should I just go with the default "bytes-per-inode" setting? | 10:14 |
| RAOF | That would be my guess. | 10:16 |
| DanaG | dir_index : Use hashed b-trees to speed up lookups in large directories. | 10:17 |
| DanaG | hmm, should I set that? | 10:17 |
| RAOF | It's not enabled by default? | 10:17 |
| DanaG | Beats me. | 10:18 |
| DanaG | that's all man mkfs.ext3 gives for description right there. | 10:18 |
| RAOF | I'm pretty sure it's default. It won't hurt to specify it as well, though. | 10:18 |
| RAOF | That feature is a fairly serious performance win on listing directories. | 10:19 |
| DanaG | mke2fs.conf: [defaults]base_features = sparse_super,filetype,resize_inode,dir_index,ext_attr blocksize = 4096 inode_size = 256 inode_ratio = 16384 | 10:19 |
| DanaG | that's with linebreaks removed, to avoid pastespam. | 10:19 |
| RAOF | Thar you go. | 10:20 |
| DanaG | Block size=4096 (log=2) Fragment size=4096 (log=2) 22814720 inodes, 91247191 blocks 4562359 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=0 Maximum filesystem blocks=0 2785 block groups 32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group 8192 inodes per group Superblock backups stored on blocks: 32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605 | 10:21 |
| DanaG | again replaced line breaks with 8 spaces. | 10:22 |
| DanaG | 22 million inodes... will likely be enough, I'd say. | 10:22 |
| DanaG | If not, I can just remake the filesystem, as long as the systems are in good condition at the time. | 10:22 |
| DanaG | While doing that, I'm getting roughly 40 megabytes per second (over firewire, at the moment). | 10:23 |
| DanaG | !iscsi | 11:47 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about iscsi | 11:47 |
| DanaG | hmm, I see open-iscsi and iscsitarget... | 11:48 |
| DanaG | is the former only an initiator? | 11:48 |
| DanaG | yay, iscsi > vboxsf | 12:20 |
| DanaG | because the latter can't give bare access to things like hardlinks. | 12:20 |
| DanaG | (I'm working around the via-rhine suckiness by running the backup server in a VM at the moment, just for the first few backups. | 12:21 |
| DanaG | ) | 12:21 |
| hyperair | iscsi? | 13:31 |
| hyperair | how dyou do something like that? | 13:31 |
| cwillu | what's intrepid looking like these days? | 14:06 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: broken for most | 14:12 |
| gnomefreak | s/most/alot | 14:13 |
| cwillu | (I'd expect nothing less) | 14:13 |
| cwillu | anything shiny though? | 14:13 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: no you wont see those changes for a long while, shiy is last to be added | 14:14 |
| Pici | I have shiny errors. | 14:14 |
| gnomefreak | shiny | 14:14 |
| gnomefreak | themes, pics, artwork is all added last | 14:14 |
| cwillu | gnomefreak, I considered gvfs to be shiney | 14:15 |
| gnomefreak | and since most of the first month was updating Hardy we got startted a bit late | 14:15 |
| gnomefreak | gvfs is ok last i heard. but not sure atm | 14:15 |
| gnomefreak | i rebuilt it looking for a problem but it wasnt in gvfs | 14:16 |
| gnomefreak | oh wait no it has bugs listed on it. | 14:16 |
| gnomefreak | i ran througha few of them the past few weeks | 14:16 |
| gnomefreak | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=gvfs&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target= have fun finding what ones are still there | 14:18 |
| gnomefreak | thats ~261 | 14:18 |
| gnomefreak | most are crashes | 14:18 |
| gnomefreak | that i see | 14:18 |
| gnomefreak | take edge out of the link | 14:18 |
| gnomefreak | if your not running it | 14:18 |
| gnomefreak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=gvfs&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target= have fun finding what ones are still there | 14:19 |
| cwillu | gnomefreak, it isn't possible to get a 'date reported' showing under the bug search is it? | 14:36 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: each bug has a date but to search by date no | 14:36 |
| cwillu | just want to sort the search results by date :/ | 14:37 |
| cwillu | would it be considered rude to wget all 259 results to do it locally? :p | 14:37 |
| cwillu | gnomefreak, ^^^ (sorry to bug you in two channels :p) | 14:37 |
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| gnomefreak | lol you might beable to use what used to be called bughelper | 14:38 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: its ok while im here | 14:38 |
| Finnish_ | I'm watching myspace-pages, and mozilla suddenly quits. What's this? | 14:46 |
| gnomefreak | Finnish_: in hardy? | 14:47 |
| Finnish_ | Ibex | 14:47 |
| gnomefreak | Finnish_: than you should know better :( remove libflashsupport set PA to default and have fun. Finnish_ smarter thing is to file a bug after you try that | 14:48 |
| gnomefreak | if you see something broke file a bug if you cant figure it out yourself this is the fastest way to get it fixed if you can fix it | 14:49 |
| gnomefreak | this way i can fix your problem with firefox | 14:49 |
| Finnish_ | Ok, I'll try, but first some caffee | 14:50 |
| * gnomefreak missing a few devs due to mozilla summit so i cant fix all bugs this week | 14:50 | |
| Finnish_ | BTW, what is PA | 14:51 |
| cwillu | pulseaudio | 14:51 |
| cwillu | (known troubles with pulseaudio + flash + libflashsupport) | 14:51 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: PA fixes the issue with flash 10 perfectly and since he asked in her ei have to assume hes using flash 10 | 14:54 |
| gnomefreak | libflashsupport is the #1 cause of crash with flash | 14:54 |
| cwillu | libflashsupport still has the same problem though eh? just isn't needed at all anymore with 10? | 14:54 |
| gnomefreak | flash is #3 cause of ff3 crashes | 14:55 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: some? it is a problem we are looking at getting it removed from all versions of Ubuntu | 14:55 |
| cwillu | some? | 14:56 |
| gnomefreak | we are also gonna wait for flash10 final before trying that backport again | 14:56 |
| gnomefreak | oh you said same | 14:56 |
| gnomefreak | sorry | 14:56 |
| cwillu | had me all confused there | 14:56 |
| gnomefreak | not needed with 9 either | 14:56 |
| cwillu | without grabbing the device from pa? | 14:57 |
| gnomefreak | nspluginwrapper may need it that i dont remember but it will be fixed as well so it isnt used in Ubuntu. just alot of hoops to jump through to get it removed from stable releases | 14:57 |
| gnomefreak | Wicks: strickly a sound bug with pa vs. libflash | 14:57 |
| cwillu | no, I'm using nspluginwrapper without libflashsupport | 14:57 |
| cwillu | works fine | 14:58 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: good than no stopping us atm but we will see | 14:58 |
| cwillu | what!? you don't want to aggressively push patches into 8.04 without adequate testing? what's wrong with you!? | 14:58 |
| gnomefreak | when people get back from summit and i get caught up with them we will work on it some more | 14:59 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: it was backported and i teested it as required | 14:59 |
| gnomefreak | i cant test 64 mac ect... | 14:59 |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: i have to go and get some work done | 14:59 |
| cwillu | ya, sorry for bugging you | 14:59 |
| gnomefreak | cw no bother i had time ot waste while getting info i needed to continue | 15:06 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. i wonder how i got libflashsupport installed again. | 15:07 |
| Hobbsee | i purge it, firefox dosn't crash. woot! | 15:08 |
| * Hobbsee was getting really bored with it crashing every few pages. | 15:09 | |
| gnomefreak | cwillu: i added it to our agenda for sunday meeting so i cant forget | 15:09 |
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| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| Zdra | Hi, is there plans to install canberra by default in ibex? | 15:33 |
| Zdra | along with fd.o sound theme | 15:34 |
| bazhang | !info canberra | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Package canberra does not exist in intrepid | 15:35 |
| gnomefreak | Zdra: canberra is not a package and as for fd.o not likely since there hasnt been any talk about it | 15:35 |
| Zdra | gnomefreak: too bad :( | 15:35 |
| gnomefreak | bazhang: it has never been packaged under that name | 15:35 |
| askand1 | Does anyone know the reason they have changed place on administrationmenu and settingsmenu in Intrepid? | 15:35 |
| bazhang | gnomefreak, just trying to be helpful ; my mistake | 15:36 |
| gnomefreak | askand1: gnome did that afaik | 15:36 |
| gnomefreak | bazhang: its ok you can have it | 15:36 |
| gnomefreak | bazhang: i just didnt want you looking too hard for it | 15:36 |
| bazhang | gnomefreak, thanks | 15:36 |
| Zdra | gnomefreak: is there packages somewhere for hardy I could install? | 15:36 |
| gnomefreak | np | 15:36 |
| gnomefreak | Zdra: not on intrepid | 15:36 |
| * Zdra searches for a ppa but I can't find one with libcanberra-gtk | 15:36 | |
| gnomefreak | Zdra: that would be extreamly unsmart | 15:37 |
| gnomefreak | Zdra: good luck but it wont be a PPA and im about 90% sure on that | 15:37 |
| askand1 | gnomefreak: I see | 15:38 |
| Zdra | gnomefreak: ok :( | 15:38 |
| Zdra | I'll have to compile it myself :( | 15:38 |
| gnomefreak | Zdra: either way that is well past support so you might be better off in #ubuntu-offtopic | 15:38 |
| === kalpik_ is now known as kalpik | ||
| Finnish_ | I'm trying to launch remote desktop viewer, it shuts down before it starts | 16:17 |
| === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle | ||
| G_009 | DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered - devices and/or folders (even network folders via samba) mount with this error. | 17:11 |
| aguitel | how make numlock on in startup ? | 17:56 |
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| parachutepop | i have my collection of artwork | 18:29 |
| === matthew__ is now known as amblin | ||
| === amblin_ is now known as amblin | ||
| parachutepop | www.gnome-look.org/.../search.php?username=dragoninsane&PHPSESSID=2d9d727fc262f915e203644e58139535 | 18:36 |
| Dedi | anyone knows a fix for firefox + flash popping up alot of empty windows? ;) | 18:37 |
| crimsun | on what arch, amd64? | 18:39 |
| Dedi | crimsun: yep, is it something common? | 18:39 |
| crimsun | appears to be. | 18:39 |
| crimsun | no known workaround aside from using swfdec instead. | 18:40 |
| Dedi | anyone found a quick fix? | 18:40 |
| crimsun | which means yes, you need to purge flashplugin-nonfree | 18:40 |
| Dedi | no problem :) try that thanks | 18:41 |
| crimsun | and of course, you lose the ability to use flash on some sites, because swfdec does not implement everything flash does | 18:41 |
| Dedi | was a try woth, but seems too much dont work with swfdec | 18:49 |
| Dedi | damn nonfree stuff :> | 18:49 |
| crimsun | perhaps the situation will change after Flash 10 becomes final. | 18:52 |
| crimsun | (not the non-Free bit but the stability bit) | 18:53 |
| Dedi | hopefully also the performance :) | 18:55 |
| Finnish_ | Any idea? I'm trying to launch remote desktop viewer, it shuts down before it starts | 18:58 |
| Pici | Run it from a terminal and see if it reports any errors | 18:59 |
| Finnish_ | Autoselected keyboard map en-us | 19:00 |
| Finnish_ | ERROR: recv: Connection reset by peer? | 19:00 |
| Finnish_ | rdesktop 112.149.171.***:**** | 19:01 |
| Finnish_ | That's the command I tried | 19:01 |
| aguitel | why aptitude is command not found | 20:23 |
| aguitel | ? | 20:23 |
| Unksi | aguitel: its not installed? | 20:36 |
| aguitel | Unksi, yes | 20:37 |
| Unksi | yes, as in, not installed, or yes as in, it is installed? :D | 20:37 |
| aguitel | Unksi, need to install | 20:38 |
| Unksi | ok | 20:38 |
| aguitel | Unksi, you are working with intrepid? | 20:38 |
| Unksi | so thats the solution then^ | 20:39 |
| Unksi | i am testing it atm, not more than that | 20:39 |
| aguitel | what is atm ? | 20:39 |
| Unksi | on full use on my (yea, should not) production machine so should get a nice picture | 20:40 |
| Unksi | at the moment | 20:40 |
| Unksi | i can install hardy back for temporary solution in state of emergency and have a full working system in about 30 minutes though, so its not that bad if it breaks when i really need to do something | 20:41 |
| aguitel | Unksi, for me is fine right now | 20:41 |
| Unksi | yea works well here as well | 20:42 |
| Unksi | only some kernel panics at boot sometimes, but thats not that bad as it has boot at 2nd try so far | 20:43 |
| aguitel | Unksi, detect wich device produce panic and use another driver for it | 20:44 |
| Unksi | hmm ok | 20:44 |
| aguitel | Unksi, maybe wifi card | 20:45 |
| Unksi | may be, intel wlan just got working at alpha 3 | 20:46 |
| Unksi | 2 days before the release it was still totally broken | 20:46 |
| aguitel | Unksi, could use ndiswrapper for this card? | 20:47 |
| * Unksi grabs his shotgun for when the satan appears | 20:47 | |
| Unksi | ;) | 20:47 |
| Unksi | no way im gonna try that again, still have traumas from the last time ;) | 20:48 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| negge | is there any way to use another driver than vesa with my radeon 9550 card? | 21:51 |
| negge | I tried installing the fglrx package but that totally didn't work and neither "ati" or the "radeon" driver seems to work | 21:51 |
| negge | now I'm stuck with 1280x1024 res | 21:51 |
| crdlb | which isn't your monitor's native resolution? | 21:52 |
| crdlb | when you say "didn't work", what does that mean? | 21:53 |
| crdlb | that X failed to start, or that they didn't provide your desired resolution? | 21:54 |
| negge | crdlb: I have a CRT so there is no native resolution, but I prefer 1600x1200 | 21:54 |
| negge | after installing the xorg-driver-fglrx package (or whatever it's called) I rebooted, nothing happened so I went to Hardware Drivers and now the driver was listed there (it wasn't before). After enabling it and rebooting Ubuntu warned me that it's running in low-graphics mode | 21:55 |
| negge | I tried to configure it but no matter which driver I chose it failed when I hit the Test button | 21:56 |
| crdlb | ok | 21:56 |
| negge | any ideas? | 21:56 |
| crdlb | uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx, and put Driver "ati" in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 21:56 |
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| negge | I tried that, it started in low-graphics mode again | 21:57 |
| crdlb | is xserver-xorg-video-ati installed? | 21:57 |
| negge | yes it is | 21:57 |
| crdlb | then we need to see what the error is | 21:57 |
| negge | how? | 21:57 |
| crdlb | if nothing else works, you can stop gdm and use startx manually | 21:59 |
| crdlb | but hopefully you should be able to get the log from /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old | 21:59 |
| crdlb | immediately after trying it | 21:59 |
| negge | crdlb: I'll try it | 22:00 |
| negge | I don't know crdlb but somehow it just worked now:D | 22:02 |
| negge | I must have remembered wrong when I said I'd tried it, I know I tried using the radeon driver and atleast that didn't work | 22:02 |
| Volkodav | can I mount Apple's HFS+ whatever it's called? | 23:04 |
| Volkodav | fedora mounts it automatically | 23:04 |
| Volkodav | it shows as unknown in fdisk | 23:04 |
| Jordan_U | Any idea when restricted modules will be working? | 23:08 |
| RAOF | Volkodav: Yes, should work automatically. | 23:14 |
| RAOF | Jordan_U: Works now, doesn't it? | 23:14 |
| Volkodav | Had to mount it manually for some reason | 23:14 |
| Jordan_U | RAOF: Didn't last time I tried, I'll try again | 23:15 |
| === marko_ is now known as marko-_- | ||
| Cecil | i can only get 2 work spaces when running nvidia 173, i'd like to have 4 for the qube effect | 23:30 |
| Cecil | (cube) dummy ! | 23:30 |
| Dedi | Cecil: dont think thats a nvidia problem. you checked system settings -> desktop? | 23:34 |
| Cecil | im not sure i have, i'll give it a try, Thanks | 23:35 |
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