[00:02] <RainCT> SolarWar: commented
[00:03] <SolarWar> login at main page?
[00:03] <SolarWar> thanks RainCT  :)
[00:03] <RainCT> SolarWar: Ah, and the last paragraph in the -dbg package (the "This package contains..") is usually separated by a white line. Write a line like " ." (a space and a point) before it to achieve this.
[00:06] <RainCT> geser: thanks
[00:06] <Jazzva> any special bug states for sru? Confirmed and unassigned?
[00:07]  * RainCT has only done 3 SRU's so far and doesn't know the bug states yet :P
[00:08] <Jazzva> these are my 2nd and 3rd... or 3rd and 4th :)
[00:09] <RainCT> btw, XHTML/CSS question: does someone know how to have, in the same line, some text aligned on the left and some on the right?
[00:10] <SolarWar> RainCT, where can i find out how to re-prioritize a package?
[00:10] <RainCT> I tried with  display: block; text-align: right;  for the right text, but it is displayed on the line below (even with margin and border = 0)
[00:10] <Jazzva> RainCT, I think "Confirmed" is right :)
[00:10] <RainCT> SolarWar: just add "Priority: extra" to the -dbg's stanza
[00:11] <SolarWar> okie thanks
[00:11] <RainCT> SolarWar: the Priority setting in the Source stanza applies to all binaries, but you can still override it on each of them (the same is valid for Section)
[00:13] <Awsoonn> how might I run only the preproccessor on a c++ file?
[00:14] <geser> RainCT: have you tried two divs with float:left and float:right?
[00:15] <geser> Awsoonn: gcc -E
[00:15] <Awsoonn> domo~
[00:17] <RainCT> geser: I don't like that ;P
[00:17] <geser> RainCT: alternatively you could abuse a <table>
[00:18]  * RainCT dislikes that even more :P
[00:19] <RainCT> well I guess I'll have to do with the floats then.. :(
[00:19] <RainCT> (it's to add a "show/hide help" link to show/hide the blob on REVU's main page)
[00:28] <geser> RainCT: example http://paste.ubuntu.com/31069/
[00:32] <RainCT> geser: oh, that wasn't necessary. but thanks :)
[01:14] <Wubbbi> Hello. I try to uploade something on REVU, but I always get ask for a Passwort for wubbbi@revu.ubuntuwire.com. I dont know what it was. And I have never set this e-mail adress
[01:16] <Wubbbi> can noone help me?
[01:16] <Wubbbi> :(
[01:17] <coppro> REVU has changed recently
[01:17] <coppro> try logging in with your Launchpad account
[01:17] <Wubbbi> allready done
[01:17] <Wubbbi> I'm logged in
[01:17] <ryanakca> How could I get debhelper 7 in Hardy?
[01:18] <coppro> ryanakca, download and install packages from the intrepid repos
[01:18] <ryanakca> coppro: thanks
[01:19] <Wubbbi> coppro: what to do now?
[01:19] <coppro> have you joined the REVU Uploaders group?
[01:19] <Wubbbi> yes
[01:20] <coppro> just today?
[01:21] <Wubbbi> since 2 hours
[01:21] <coppro> can we get a resync anyone?
[01:21] <coppro> if no one replies, try again tomorrow, the keyring should be synced up
[01:22] <Wubbbi> the keyring will be synced up automatik?! Or isn't this like this?
[01:22] <RainCT> coppro: the revu-uploaders group isn't used anymore
[01:22] <RainCT> Wubbbi: that seems like your dput configuration is wrong
[01:22] <coppro> oh
[01:23] <coppro> I wasn't sure how far the updates extended
[01:23] <Wubbbi> RainCT: let me show you ...
[01:23] <RainCT> coppro: the migration to OpenID is complete since yesterday - keys are now synced at log in :)
[01:24] <RoAkSoAx> RainCT, and the upload procedure is the same as before?
[01:24] <Wubbbi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/31086/
[01:24] <RainCT> RoAkSoAx: Yes, but NCommander is working on a "Import from PPA" feature which will provide an alternative way to upload packages
[01:25] <RoAkSoAx> RainCT, oh cool :)
[01:25] <RainCT> Wubbbi: that's wrong :)
[01:25] <Wubbbi> ???
[01:25] <Wubbbi> xD
[01:25] <RainCT> Wubbbi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/31088/
[01:26] <Wubbbi> but I need this "method          = ftp"
[01:26] <RainCT> Wubbbi: yes, but as anonymous user
[01:27] <Wubbbi> now its works :D thx a lot! :D
[01:27] <RainCT> you're welcome :)
[01:28] <RainCT> Wubbbi: you've debuilded it as a native package
[01:29] <RainCT> (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/plasmoid-teacooker-0807280230/lintian)
[01:29] <RainCT> I'm off now good night
[01:31] <Wubbbi> RainCT: good or bad?
[01:44] <nixternal> hey, on revu.ubuntuwire.com I am only listed as a coordinator, could someone with the power fix that so I can do some REVU Coordinator work?
[01:50] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[01:50] <RoAkSoAx> xD
[02:28] <RAOF> nixternal: Have you merged your accounts?
[03:46] <ScottK> Wow.  I've done a lot more uploads than I thought.
[03:46] <ScottK> Looking at emgent's list.
[03:47] <nhandler> ScottK, I was surprised when I saw the list too. I had no idea I had prepared so many patches.
[03:47] <emgent> moin ScottK :)
[03:48] <ScottK> Heya.
[03:48] <ScottK> emgent: Does your list include syncs or just actual uploads?
[03:48] <emgent> grab all in intrepid-changes
[03:49] <emgent> include syncs too
[03:57] <superm1> what's this list?
[03:58] <nhandler> superm1: http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu.php
[03:58] <nhandler> It shows the top uploaders for Intrepid
[04:00] <superm1> i'm lagging i guess.  45 packages....
[04:01] <awmcclain> I'm trying to test my package before I upload it to my PPA, but for some strange reason, pdebuild is failing. It's giving me 'make: dh_testdir: Command not found'. Is the virtual environment looking for a deb helper command that isn't installed?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> heh.  i got to 61.
[04:01] <StevenK> awmcclain: You don't have a Build-Depends on debhelper?
[04:02]  * nhandler has 126 uploads
[04:02] <awmcclain> StevenK: Ah... I bet that's the problem. Upstream was changed, and I bet he forgot it. Thank you.
[04:03] <awmcclain> oh, no
[04:03] <awmcclain> Actually, it's in there, in both packages: debhelper (>= 4.1.40)
[04:05] <awmcclain> Any other thoughts?
[06:28] <Sikon> Oh, how I hate canned responses.
[06:28] <Sikon> They may save time, but they create a sense of detachment.
[06:46] <emgent> moin ogra
[06:46] <emgent> nice changelog in ltsp second upload hehehe :)
[06:59] <slytherin> geser: there, by any chance
[07:04] <Awsoonn> when I request sponcering for main, should I leave myself as assigned to the bug?
[07:05] <slytherin> Awsoonn: assign no one, subscribe main-sponsors
[07:52] <awmcclain> Anything you need to build source should be listed under Build-Depends-Indep, correct?
[07:53] <RAOF> No?
[07:54] <slytherin> awmcclain: I think anything you need to run clean target needs to be in -Indep
[07:56] <RAOF> slytherin: No, the other way 'round.
[07:57] <RAOF> awmcclain: Is your package arch: all?  If not, you don't have to care.
[07:58] <awmcclain> RAOF: Bear with me, because I'm operating at the very edge of my knowledge. The reason I ask is because pbuilder complains about unmet dependencies, even though the packages are in the Depends: section of my sub-packages.
[07:58] <RAOF> awmcclain: If it _is_ arch: all, then anything you need to run the 'clean' and 'binary-arch' and 'build-arch' targets must be in build-depends; everything else in build-depends-indep.
[07:59] <awmcclain> RAOF: Yes, it is arch all.
[07:59] <RAOF> You're after: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html sec 7, incidentally.
[08:00] <awmcclain> Ah, ok. So. Let me see if i have this right. When you build source, it hasn't gotten to the binary-arch sections yet (or it won't, since you're not building binaries).
[08:00] <awmcclain> Thank you for the link!
[08:01] <RAOF> Building the source package will only call the clean target.
[08:06] <awmcclain> Hrm. Could you point me to docs for the default build targets? I think that's what's tripping me up.
[08:07] <slytherin> RAOF: yes, got confused
[08:36] <RAOF> awmcclain: That's in the same policy document, but elsewhere.  I'll hunt it down for you.
[08:37] <RAOF> awmcclain: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules
[09:10] <geser> slytherin: yes, I just got up
[09:10] <awmcclain> thank you, RAOF
[09:24] <slytherin> geser: I have got some progress on jboss. I was going to submit debdiff but then I realised I removed an extra build dependencies.
[09:29] <huats> morning here !
[09:30] <DktrKranz> morning huats
[09:30] <geser> slytherin: does it help unbreaking the cycle?
[09:30] <huats> hello DktrKranz
[09:31] <slytherin> geser: yes it does. I will post the details in bug.
[09:31] <jmehdi> I've uploaded a new package for Webstrict (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webstrict) but I don't see it...
[09:32] <slytherin> geser: of course more than one iterations of upload and build will be needed to get everything built.
[09:52] <Wubbbi> Hello :) Is a Motu online?
[09:53] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: there are many, any requests?
[09:54] <Wubbbi> yes
[09:54] <Wubbbi> can you look at this http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker and ( If it was ok like this ) Upload it?
[09:56] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: sure
[09:56] <Wubbbi> thank you :)
[09:56] <DktrKranz> but it needs a second review before pushing it
[09:56] <Wubbbi> no problem
[09:57] <DktrKranz> oh... it seems nixternal already did a review...
[09:57] <Wubbbi> ^^ yes but after the review I have change something ( just smaal things )
[10:00] <huats> does anyone can give a shot at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=tktreectrl ?
[10:02] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: is that ok like I have done it?
[10:06] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: adjusting things is always ok ;)
[10:06] <Wubbbi> xD
[10:06] <Wubbbi> ok
[10:10] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: ok when It will be uploaded? I to the Ubuntu Server
[10:14] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: I'm looking at it right now, I'll comment soon ;)
[10:15] <Wubbbi> ok
[10:15] <Wubbbi> thank
[10:16] <Wubbbi> s
[10:43] <huats> norsetto: my dear friend !
[10:43] <huats> how are you ?
[10:43] <norsetto> huats: welcome back!
[10:43] <huats> (you know what it means :P )
[10:43] <huats> norsetto: thanks :)
[10:44] <norsetto> huats: I know what you are going to ask me, so, let me ask you something before, is it me or you are not calling make clean/distclean at all?
[10:45] <huats> I was not going to ask you anyting
[10:45] <huats> :)
[10:45] <huats> there was no clean target (AFAIR)
[10:45] <huats> and the distclean was cleaning too much stuffs...
[10:46] <norsetto> huats: I can see them in the Makefile ...
[10:48] <huats> when I mean the clean target was pretty empty
[10:48] <huats> s/when/wgat/
[10:48] <huats> rrggg
[10:48] <huats> wgat :)
[10:49] <norsetto> huats: and distclean?
[10:49] <huats> it was cleaning too much things it I remember
[10:50] <DktrKranz> Laney: guidedog given-back, it shouldn't fail now
[10:50] <norsetto> huats: thats dist-clean
[10:52] <norsetto> huats: I'd suggest using clean/distclean, note that you can specify what they are cleaning with CLEANFILES and CONFIG_CLEAN_FILES
[10:55] <huats> norsetto: hum
[10:55] <huats> I'll have a look
[10:56] <norsetto> huats: how was the foie gras? I know you didn't resist ...
[10:56] <huats> norsetto: I know
[10:57] <huats> I'll have a look
[11:00] <huats> and regarding the foie gras
[11:00] <huats> I have been strong...
[11:01] <huats> and I have resisted
[11:02] <huats> :)
[11:02] <huats> norsetto: I have this goal I'll stick to it :)
[11:02] <norsetto> huats: I shall ask geraldine
[11:02] <huats> (you can
[11:02] <huats> I can even give you her email
[11:02] <huats> ...
[11:02] <huats> :)
[11:03] <norsetto> huats: I didn't resist (maybe because I didn't have the goal ;-))
[11:03] <huats> she is really proud of me
[11:03] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: commented
[11:04] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: thx
[11:04] <huats> I have lost between 11-12kg so far (since 6 weeks :))
[11:04] <huats> norsetto: the next time you won't recognize me
[11:04] <huats> ..
[11:04] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: to long again? -.-
[11:05] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: so it seems
[11:05] <norsetto> hutas: gee, you will be the shadow of yourself :-/
[11:05] <huats> norsetto: there is lot more to loose
[11:05] <huats> ..
[11:05] <huats> :)
[11:06] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: you should limit to 80 characters per line
[11:06] <DktrKranz> (IIRC)
[11:06] <norsetto> huats: well, I hope you take it easy
[11:07] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: and what is in debian/copyright to long?
[11:09] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: "It was downloaded from http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tea+Cooker?content=85564
[11:10] <Wubbbi> ahhh ok fixed. and what is about point 1) ... what does this mean?
[11:10] <huats> norsetto: sure
[11:11] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: you put quilt in Build-Depends, but it seems you didn't patch anything, so it can be omitted
[11:12] <Wubbbi> you mean my 2 uploades with no changes on the source? ... that because I forgott the orgi.tar.gz ;)
[11:13] <norsetto> DktrKranz: I do it all the time, so that people know that the package is using quilt :-)
[11:14] <DktrKranz> norsetto: using quilt without a patch (or no 3.0-compliant)? mmmh...
[11:14] <DktrKranz> norsetto: I *love* quilt, btw ;)
[11:15] <norsetto> DktrKranz: yes quilt, much better than messing with it every time you need it
[11:15] <norsetto> DktrKranz: quilt rulez!
[11:15] <DktrKranz> +1
[11:18] <DktrKranz> norsetto: I don't like listing b-d when not needed. Ok, patch systems are safe, don't bring in complexity or increase build time, but it is not needed here (and I can force people using quilt under threat later on...)
[11:18] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: 2) Provide a watch file to catch new upstream versions.  how to fix that? I dont know what you mean ^^
[11:19] <Wubbbi> just creat a File calls "Watch" in /debian?
[11:19] <norsetto> DktrKranz: well, its a personal choice, but I can see that its more or less an established practice
[11:19] <DktrKranz> norsetto: really? I missed something, then :/
[11:20] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: you can refer to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/DebianWatch
[11:26] <RainCT> morning
[11:26] <huats> morning RainCT
[11:29] <RainCT> nixternal: have you already got back your admin status on REVU?
[11:30] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: you can forget about my comment 2), it seems upstream doesn't provide a versioned tarball, so watch file is likely not working properly.
[11:31] <Wubbbi> ohhh ok
[11:31] <slytherin> DktrKranz: Wubbbi: in that case a get-orig-source would be useful. Probably svn export will be involved.
[11:32]  * DktrKranz moves to lunch
[11:33] <Wubbbi> ok new version is uploaded ... I hope its better now :)
[11:38] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: better now?
[11:39] <RainCT> oh, have you seen http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/07/23/mark-shuttleworth-launchpad-to-be-open-source-in-12-months ?
[11:39] <jpds> Yes.
[11:43] <nixternal> RainCT: ya, merging fixed that, thanks!
[11:45] <wgrant> RainCT: I saw that just a couple of minutes ago. I wonder why it wasn't publicised more.
[11:47] <DRebellion> How does one escape a newline (\n) in debian/control? I need to split the Build-Depends: up onto multiple lines because it exceeds 80 chars.
[11:48] <jpds> DRebellion: Indent the new line with two spaces
[11:49] <DRebellion> jpds, thanks
[11:50] <DRebellion> jpds, like this?
[11:50] <DRebellion> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libxpm-dev, libfltk1.1-dev (>= 1.1.7),
[11:50] <DRebellion>   libfreeimage-dev, cmake, docbook, docbook2x
[11:50] <jpds> DRebellion: Perfect.
[11:51] <RainCT> (actually, one space is enough)
[11:51] <DRebellion> RainCT, ok
[11:52] <DRebellion> Is there a way to predetermine what ${shlibs:Depends} will come up with in debian/control?
[11:56] <Wubbbi> can Someone look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker ? Please
[12:24] <huats> norsetto: back
[12:24] <huats> :)
[12:24] <huats> hum
[12:25] <huats> I just tried to see how things were going with a make dist-clean in the rules
[12:25] <huats> but it fails...
[12:28] <norsetto> huats: not make dist-clean, make distclean
[12:30] <norsetto> huats: you would do a make dist-clean when you want to prepare your tarball (and in your source tree, so you may have quite different stuff in there)
[12:30] <huats> :)
[12:30] <huats> (I was quite surprised you mention the dist-clean
[12:30] <huats> but I was trusting you...)
[12:31] <huats> (well let's say that I misread :)
[12:33] <huats> norsetto: it fails the same way...
[12:34] <norsetto> huats: perhaps pasting the error would help me to understand?
[12:34] <huats> norsetto: no
[12:34] <huats> you should be able to understand :)
[12:34] <huats> ;)
[12:35] <huats> http://paste.ubuntu.com/31248/
[12:35] <huats> norsetto !
[12:35] <huats> ;)
[12:37] <norsetto> huats: do you have a Makefile when that is called?
[12:38] <huats> clearly not...
[12:38] <huats> only the Makefile.in
[12:38] <huats> (thus is fails...)
[12:38] <huats> thus it fails
[12:39] <huats> norsetto: I might need to use the autotools ..
[12:40] <norsetto> huats: just use a test construct
[12:40] <huats> ok
[12:58] <huats> norsetto: ok, so now I use distclean in my rules
[12:58] <huats> norsetto: anything you see that I should add ?
[13:00] <huats> norsetto: and btw ready for you classroom ? :)
[13:00] <huats> (i ill attend it for sure :))
[13:13] <DRebellion> Hmm, I'm having some trouble with uscan+sourceforge:
[13:13] <DRebellion> uscan warning: In watchfile debian/watch, reading webpage
[13:13] <DRebellion>   http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/posterazor/ failed: 500 Can't connect to heanet.dl.sourceforge.net:80 (connect: timeout)
[13:13] <DRebellion> heanet isn't accepting port 80 connections. Should it be?
[13:14] <Wubbbi> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker can a MOTU take a look please?
[13:34] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: advocated.
[13:36] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: yes :D thank you very much :)
[13:37] <DktrKranz> ;)
[13:39] <DktrKranz> Wubbbi: oh... and it seems it's on its way to the archives too :)
[13:40] <slytherin> DRebellion: for sf.net the urls in watch file should not use any particular mirror. You can find example watch file sf.net on http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[13:41] <DRebellion> slytherin, I wasn't using a particular mirror. The instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com that I followed rely on qa.debian.org to choose a mirror. The heanet error is passed on through qa.debian.org as an error (hence the HTTP 500 code: "internal server error". Anyway, heanet is back up now - must have been a minor hiccup
[13:42] <Wubbbi> DktrKranz: thats good :D
[13:43] <slytherin> DRebellion: I still suggest not to use qa.debian.org or any mirror directly. Let SF choose mirror for you.
[13:43] <DRebellion> slytherin, I used an sf.net/project/file url
[13:44] <slytherin> good
[13:45] <DRebellion> ;)
[13:52] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> standards version is 3.8.0 now, isn't it?
[13:52] <stgraber> yep
[13:52] <slytherin> Kopfgeldjaeger2: yes
[14:05] <goshawk> hi
[14:06] <goshawk> yesterday i've uploaded a new version of dsss to revu, it has not been processed yet, can someone check it?
[14:08] <RainCT> goshawk: did you log in before you uploaded it?
[14:09] <goshawk> no
[14:09] <goshawk> i'm logging right now
[14:09] <goshawk> it's have been merged with launchpad
[14:09] <goshawk> i see
[14:10] <goshawk> i'm in now
[14:10] <RainCT> goshawk: yes, and your key is synced once you log in for the first time (revu-uploaders in't used anymore)
[14:10] <RainCT> hi sistpoty|work :)
[14:10] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[14:10] <sistpoty|work> hi RainCT
[14:11] <goshawk> RainCT: should i upload again?
[14:11] <RainCT> goshawk: yep
[14:11] <goshawk> oki
[14:12] <goshawk> i'll look that my public kay is in launchpad first
[14:12] <DktrKranz> RainCT: will revu-uploaders team be removed?
[14:13] <norsetto> folks?
[14:13] <RainCT> DktrKranz: that's possible
[14:13] <sistpoty|work> hi towndwellers as well :P
[14:14] <Hobbsee> can someone unsubscribe u-u-s from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sear/+bug/252394?
[14:14] <goshawk> done, uploaded again
[14:15]  * Hobbsee has no idea about how people think, before requesting sync requests.
[14:15] <RainCT> goshawk: it's up now
[14:15] <goshawk> RainCT: thanks.. it should be in the page in few minutes, isn't it?
[14:16] <RainCT> goshawk: you're welcome. it should already be there (I've run the script manually so that you don't have to wait for the cronjob) :)
[14:16] <DktrKranz> Hobbsee: done
[14:17] <Hobbsee> DktrKranz: thanks
[14:17] <goshawk> RainCT: thx a lot :)
[14:17] <RainCT> DktrKranz: bah you beat me for some seconds :P
[14:17] <Hobbsee> RainCT: you can process more bugs then!
[14:17] <DktrKranz> RainCT: sloooooooow ;)
[14:18] <RainCT> hehe
[14:18] <Hobbsee> hurrah!  a correct bug!
[14:18] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimmie/+bug/252344 too
[14:18] <RainCT> btw, if someone is bored, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=julius and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=julius-voxforge are looking for review :)
[14:18] <RainCT> (just don't complain about missing manpages, I'm working on those)
[14:19] <DktrKranz> RainCT: I'll give you some seconds before unsubscribing u-u-s this time ;)
[14:19] <goshawk> RainCT: should i be MOTU for commenting other packages?
[14:19] <DRebellion> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor is also up for review ;)
[14:19] <norsetto> goshawk: absolutely not
[14:20] <RainCT> uhh, archive admins have a new icon :P
[14:22] <goshawk> norsetto: thanks :)
[14:22] <Hobbsee> we do?  neat!
[14:22] <goshawk> so if i've time i'll do it
[14:22] <norsetto> goshawk: thx for helping
[14:24] <goshawk> and norsetto, i've accomplished all the steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted . if my package will be accepted i'll be a MOTU right?
[14:24] <huats> what can I do regarding a po file that misses a copyright ?
[14:24] <huats> goshawk: no
[14:24] <huats> you'll have started
[14:24] <norsetto> goshawk: hmmm, not quite :-)
[14:24] <huats> but it takes some time to become one...
[14:24] <huats> many months...
[14:24] <huats> :)
[14:24] <norsetto> goshawk: but you are on the good track
[14:25] <goshawk> huats: norsetto thx :)
[14:25] <huats> goshawk: if you are interested the is a process to help you in becoming a MOTU
[14:25] <norsetto> huats: you cannot do anything, its up to upstream to correct it
[14:25] <huats> norsetto: ok
[14:26] <goshawk> huats: can you give mi a link about this process?
[14:26] <huats> goshawk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring?highlight=(mentoring)
[14:26] <huats> have a look at that
[14:26] <huats> :)
[14:27] <huats> (no no norsetto it is not propagonda )
[14:27] <huats> :)
[14:27] <huats> goshawk: you fall in the contributor case...
[14:28] <goshawk> huats: thx :)
[14:28] <huats> goshawk: no pb
[14:28] <huats> if you have any questions just asks them
[14:28] <huats> norsetto is the guy to know when you are looking for a mentor :)
[14:29] <goshawk> ok norsetto, i'll pester you :)
[14:30] <goshawk> ah there is one thing about my package
[14:30] <goshawk> it provides two executables
[14:30] <goshawk> dsss and rebuild
[14:30] <goshawk> is the "rebuild" name too generic?
[14:30] <goshawk> should i change it?
[14:30] <goshawk> searching with apt-file i found that no other package is using rebuild
[14:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:31] <tuxmaniac> heya bddebian
[14:31] <bddebian> Hi tuxmaniac, sorry I bailed on you the other day :-(
[14:32] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: heh no problem. :-)
[14:34] <norsetto> goshawk: what does rebuild do and where is it installed? Is there a man page?
[14:34] <geser> Hi bddebian
[14:35] <bddebian> Heya geser
[14:39] <slytherin> geser: ping
[14:40] <geser> slytherin: pong
[14:40] <slytherin> geser: Check jbossas4 bug 184557
[14:41] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[14:41] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work
[14:42] <goshawk> norsetto: rebuild calls gdc, dmd, or lvmdc compiler to build D programs
[14:42] <goshawk> is' in /usr/bin/rebuild
[14:43] <norsetto> goshawk: are you upstream for this?
[14:45] <goshawk> norsetto: no
[14:45] <norsetto> goshawk: and no man page? There should be a manpage in accordance with the policy
[14:47] <goshawk> there is no manpage now, i'm doing it
[14:48] <goshawk> i'm doing it and sending to upstream
[14:50] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gtkhash <- could a MOTU have a look at this?
[14:52] <norsetto> There is a beginner's lesson on maintainer scripts in #ubuntu-classroom, will start in about 10 minutes
[14:52] <DRebellion> norsetto, what are "maintainer scripts"? Do you mean like debian/rules files?
[14:53] <DRebellion> or dh_*?
[14:53] <norsetto> DRebellion: attend the lesson and you will discover it ;-)
[14:53] <DRebellion> hehe
[14:53] <DRebellion> fair enough
[14:53] <achadwick> Attend and find out! But no, like postinit and friends.
[14:53] <geser> DRebellion: {pre,post}{rm,inst}
[14:53] <DRebellion> ah, ok. never used those before.
[14:53] <DRebellion> norsetto, I will be there.
[14:53] <achadwick> *postinst, of course.
[14:55] <goshawk> norsetto: btw do you know what should i do then?
[14:55] <slytherin> geser: any comments/suggestions about the debdiff?
[14:55] <norsetto> goshawk: I'd be tempted to ask you to rename it, it seesm indeed very generic, on the other hand it doesn't seem to conflict with anything else
[14:56] <goshawk> i've already sent a mail to upstream to rename it in drebuild, so maybe it's time to wait for them, isn't it?
[14:56] <geser> slytherin: I've just successfully build jbossas4 (or parts of  it :) and testing just now what happens if I try to build libjboss-xml-binding-java
[14:56] <tuxmaniac> can someone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gresistor I updated after LucidFox 's comments
[14:56] <norsetto> goshawk: that would be perfect
[14:56] <slytherin> geser: cool
[14:57] <geser> slytherin: if it's going in the right direction I'll upload the debdiff
[14:57] <slytherin> geser: I hope it is.
[14:57] <LucidFox> I'm mad. Not in the mood. Don't ping me, please.
[14:58]  * slytherin stays away from the fox
[14:58] <norsetto> anybody interested in maintainer scripts and in general about package management feel free to attend the lecture in #ubuntu-classroom, it starts in about 2 minutes
[15:01] <geser> slytherin: \o/ libjboss-xml-binding-java builds successfully now, and the package contents match those in Debian
[15:01] <slytherin> geser: :-)
[15:02] <slytherin> geser: It is upto you to get all the packages out of NEW as soon as possible so we can finish the work withing few days.
[15:05] <slytherin> NCommander: you are the most wanted person here these days.
[15:05] <NCommander> What have I broke now?
[15:05]  * NCommander has been seeing his friend in rehab
[15:06] <slytherin> NCommander: looks like someone lost his ability to advocate package. :-D
[15:06] <NCommander> You have to merge accounts to regain that ability
[15:09] <NCommander> slytherin, so I'm essentially hated by all now though, so thus should give up my dreams of being an MOTU?
[15:09] <geser> slytherin: jbossas4 uploaded for the first round
[15:11] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gtkhash <- could maybe a MOTU have a quick look over this now? :o)
[15:23] <geser> slytherin: jbossas4 is now in the NEW queue
[15:27] <tuxmaniac> geser: if you dont mind can you check one package? If free.
[15:27] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: commented
[15:27] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> Thank you
[15:29] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: one more? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gresistor
[15:29] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: looking ;)
[15:29] <coolbhavi> hello everyone
[15:31] <coolbhavi> what is the right way to update a package? If I follow the wiki page I am getting a build error please help
[15:31] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> DktrKranz: I don't really understand 1). 2) Do I need a manpage for a binary that does not accept parameters and is pretty self-explaining?
[15:34] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> Do you mean adding
[15:34] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> damn
[15:34] <tuxmaniac> Kopfgeldjaeger2: hehe then you check my binary. I have done it for a similar package. Link above
[15:34] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: a simple manpage describing what program does is recommended. For 1), you can look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/posterazor-0807281550/posterazor-1.5.1/debian/copyright for instance, "Copyright:" and below.
[15:34] <tuxmaniac> Kopfgeldjaeger2: I was also wondering the same things as you are now :-)
[15:35] <tuxmaniac> Kopfgeldjaeger2: i meant for the manpage
[15:35] <DktrKranz> well, manpage is not blocking, just best practice :)
[15:35] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> ok :)
[15:35] <coolbhavi> here is what I followed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate
[15:36] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: point 1) is usually cause of a reject by archive administrators, though.
[15:36] <coolbhavi> and i downloaded the source package from upstream website
[15:36] <coolbhavi> http://pastebin.com/m4bf498b7
[15:37] <coolbhavi> please help
[15:39] <RainCT> coolbhavi: you've to check all patches to see if they are still necessary or not, remove those which are unnecessary and regenerate the remaining ones against the new source
[15:39] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: you may mention yourself in XSBC-Original-Maintainer field too, I forget ;)
[15:39] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> OK, didn't know that :)
[15:39] <coolbhavi> RainCT, OK how to do that? I am a beginner please help
[15:42] <coolbhavi> RainCT, you mean delete the patches which arent necessary in the patch folder
[15:43] <coolbhavi> RainCT, and rebuild again?
[15:44] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> DktrKranz: Do you think I also should add a notice about my icon/desktop file in debian/copyright ?
[15:46] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: if you're author, yes
[15:49] <RainCT> coolbhavi: yes, and regenerate the remaining ones against the new source, if that's necessary (as the new version may cause the existing patches to conflict)
[15:50] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: commented
[15:50] <coolbhavi> RainCT, you are the god... Thanks I was up and down on it from past fortnight
[15:52] <slytherin> geser: I was away, enjoying coffee. I will keep track of jboss related packages.
[15:52] <slytherin> geser: Do you have time to review another java based app? It has been pending for long time.
[15:53] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: thanks.
[15:54] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: regarding 1. the homepage says the License as GPL but license check returns LGPL. So we put in LGPL?
[15:55] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: source code is licensed under LGPL, so one of them is wrong :)
[15:55]  * tuxmaniac always gets caught in licensing problems
[15:55] <slytherin> does it make sense for an application to have LGPL?
[15:56] <DktrKranz> both setup.py and gresistor lack copyright headers (the latter is autogenerated, so I guess it's "OK"), but SimpleGladeApp.py is clearly under LGPL
[15:56] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: if I were you, I'd ask upstream about it.
[15:56] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: yes I will. I am now used to this license querying the upstream (and receiving no response :))
[15:57] <DktrKranz> that's bad
[15:57] <DktrKranz> (receiving no response, of course)
[15:57] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: two packages hanging in debian mentors like this.
[15:58] <DktrKranz> with licensing issues?
[15:58] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: yes.
[15:58] <DktrKranz> mh, they will hardly go into Debian, then :(
[15:58] <DktrKranz> (and in Ubuntu, of course)
[15:59] <DktrKranz> Ubuntu and Debian are very strict regarding licensing, but that's not bad or unfair.
[15:59] <slytherin> anyone to review and sponsor a java app?
[15:59] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: I know and its not right on my part to push either. I respect the *strictness*
[16:01] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: ah... I misread, I'll comment out on REVU
[16:02] <tuxmaniac> hopefully you misread the licensing part. *grin*
[16:02] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: exactly :)
[16:02] <DktrKranz> but that's is another problem...
[16:06] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: commented again, but not good news :(
[16:06] <tuxmaniac> hmm
[16:07] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: I will mail the folks and wait for a response. Hopefully this on e turns positive.
[16:08] <tuxmaniac> I wonder how fedora takes in all these packages and will find out how they resolved it if they had any
[16:08] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: I hope so, these are really blocking issues. Also, you can ask them to adjust .desktop file
[16:11] <DktrKranz> I don't know fedora policy, but I know ours. You may refer to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-July/001819.html and following (especially http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html).
[16:11] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: ok thanks.
[16:11] <DktrKranz> you're welcome :)
[16:11] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: i will have a look into it and ping here if I have any doubts
[16:12] <DktrKranz> great!
[16:21] <DRebellion> If any MOTUs have some free time, posterazor in REVU (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor) needs a second advocation.
[16:22]  * DktrKranz is hot, will take it
[16:22] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, thanks :)
[16:23] <DktrKranz> DRebellion: is it related to KDE?
[16:23] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, no
[16:23] <DktrKranz> ok then ;)
[16:24] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> DktrKranz: would this be enough for a manpage? http://pastebin.com/f36a170d9
[16:25] <emgent> sebner: ping
[16:25] <DRebellion> Kopfgeldjaeger2, is it really nessecary to list dependencies, when the user would be reading the manpage *after* they install?
[16:26] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> no, it's not, but it fills the page up ;d
[16:26] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> so I remove that section
[16:26] <DRebellion> Kopfgeldjaeger2, don't take my word explicitly, i'm not an MOTU or anything. Just a bit of common sense.
[16:27] <DktrKranz> emgent: on holiday :)
[16:27] <DRebellion> Kopfgeldjaeger2, also, I don't think you would need the OPTIONS section, as the fact that it has none is implied in the SYNOPSIS.
[16:28] <DRebellion> Kopfgeldjaeger2, also, I would merge the AUTHORS and COPYRIGHT sections.
[16:30] <emgent> DktrKranz: argh ok :)
[16:30] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> http://pastebin.com/f172acd35
[16:39] <DRebellion> Kopfgeldjaeger2, you may also want to replace "This program" with "gtkhash". Otherwise, looks good to me.
[16:40] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> thanks
[16:48] <slytherin> geser: going home, see you later if possible.
[16:50] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> DktrKranz: I uploaded a new version to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtkhash :o]
[16:53] <DktrKranz> DRebellion: posterazor advocated, I'm uploading it to NEW
[16:57] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: looking
[16:59] <james_w> hi gauthierm
[16:59] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/
[16:59] <gauthierm> james_w is psychic :p
[16:59] <james_w> :-)
[16:59] <james_w> that's the page that outlines the requirements of an SRU
[17:00] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[17:00] <james_w> that one outlines how to get sponsorship
[17:00] <kdubois> so for pbuilder, the procedure is make a .dsc file the normal way, and then build it with pbuild?
[17:01] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> kdubois: yeah
[17:02] <kdubois> and if my package needs dependencies, pbuilder will take care of fetching those on the base pbuilder system image?
[17:03] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> yes
[17:03] <kdubois> alright, ill give it a shot, thanks Kopfgeldjaeger2
[17:06] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: commented.
[17:07] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> thanks
[17:07] <SolarWar> hi, my package is listed under "needs work" however I cannot find any comments associated with its state. in fact i get a "MOD_PYTHON_ERROR" when click the entry of the package (its under the name 'qlix')
[17:09] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> DktrKranz: Fixed 1,2 locally. I think 3 is because it has implemented translation stuff, but is not really using any translation. Maybe I'll just translate it to German
[17:11] <DktrKranz> Kopfgeldjaeger2: your choice. Please note only 1) is blocking (but easily fixable), remaining points are just cosmetic
[17:11] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> So it would be OK if I upload a version that fixes 1 and 3 and correct 3 later?
[17:11] <DktrKranz> anyway, if you want to fix it with a new upload, I'll ACK it
[17:15] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, thanks!
[17:15] <DRebellion> =)
[17:15] <DRebellion> That's my first package!
[17:16] <DRebellion> kdubois, you should log each build with the --logfile <file.log> option. That way, when things inevitably go wrong you can easily show other developers.
[17:21] <DktrKranz> DRebellion: congrats! Anyway, really good job for your first try :)
[17:21] <DRebellion> NCommander, i just got a mod_python error on revu
[17:21] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, thanks ;)
[17:21] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, it's actually not the first package i've started. That would be monkeystudio, which has dragged on since pre-hardy because of the buggy build code....
[17:22] <NCommander> DRebellion, RainCT was just briefly rolling out a change (if you get us while we're copying files, it does that)
[17:22] <DRebellion> NCommander, ah ok.
[17:22] <DRebellion> NCommander, still not working
[17:22] <NCommander> DRebellion, which page
[17:23] <DRebellion> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=posterazor
[17:23] <SolarWar> DRebellion, same here
[17:23]  * NCommander sighs
[17:23] <NCommander> DAMN IT RAINCT
[17:23] <SolarWar> oh wait
[17:23] <SolarWar> its gone..
[17:23] <NCommander> Oh
[17:23] <NCommander> He must have fixed it
[17:23] <jpds> Hehe.
[17:24] <DRebellion> NCommander, yep, it's fixed
[17:24] <DktrKranz> the power of the "D@MN IT"
[17:24] <SolarWar> :) yay
[17:24] <NCommander> :-)
[17:24] <DRebellion> What happens after my package has been advocated twice (and has a pretty love heart)?
[17:25] <NCommander> I'm currently working on implementing changes to the details.py page so you can quickly see at a glance the latest changelog entry, and the control file entries
[17:25] <jpds> DRebellion: It may be uploaded.
[17:25] <DRebellion> jpds, how long does that usually take?
[17:26] <jpds> DRebellion: Ususally the second person does it.
[17:26] <DRebellion> jpds, ok, that would be DktrKranz.
[17:30] <DktrKranz> DRebellion: it's already in NEW: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue
[17:30] <DktrKranz> so, you have to wait for an archive-admin to check and accept it
[17:30] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, excellent, thanks again.
[17:31] <DktrKranz> it will take a few days
[17:32] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, assuming it gets accepted by the archive-admins, it is now safe from feature freeze, right?
[17:32] <DktrKranz> DRebellion: absolutely
[17:33] <DktrKranz> FF will be on late august
[17:33] <DktrKranz> so, there's still room to accept NEW packages
[17:33] <DRebellion> DktrKranz, the 18th, i believe
[17:34] <DktrKranz> it's scheduled on 28th, but we usually stop pushing NEW some days before to allow them to process NEW queue in time
[17:34]  * norsetto is not looking forward to FF
[17:35] <DktrKranz> norsetto has motu-release hat in pre-warming
[17:35]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[17:35] <sistpoty|work> cya
[17:36] <DktrKranz> sistpoty reminded me I should move home too!
[17:36]  * DktrKranz missed the clock
[17:45] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> hm.. REVU really acts a bit... broken at the moment
[17:53] <DRebellion> Kopfgeldjaeger2, blame NCommander
[17:53] <SolarWar> mod_python error is back :(
[17:53] <slytherin> geser: ping
[17:54] <RoAkSoAx> hey guys anyone knows where is the irclog of the school session held by norsetto today?
[17:55] <DRebellion> RoAkSoAx, I don't know if it's been posted yet: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> DRebellion, no it is not
[17:55] <norsetto> RoAkSoAx: it will be announced to the MOTU list
[17:55] <NCommander> What did I do?
[17:55] <slytherin> norsetto: see if you find it here - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/28/
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> norsetto, ok thanks :)
[17:55] <slytherin> RoAkSoAx: oops, that was for you
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> thanks slytherin :)
[17:56] <cody-somerville> :]
[17:57]  * slytherin off for dinner
[18:18] <SolarWar> How can I resolve this? Error '425 Security: Bad IP connecting.' during ftp transfer of qlix_0.2.4-0ubuntu1.dsc
[18:29] <RainCT> SolarWar: fixed, sorry
[18:30] <RainCT> DRebellion: blame mod_python's cache - else I'd have noticed the problem 1 hour ago :P
[18:31] <SolarWar> RainCT, no worires
[18:31] <SolarWar> i think there are stale files from my previous upload
[18:32] <SolarWar> is there a way to clean it up?
[18:32] <RainCT> SolarWar: what package is it?
[18:32] <SolarWar> qlix
[18:35] <RainCT> SolarWar: yep, removed them. but they shouldn't cause any problem
[18:35] <SolarWar> RainCT, bad IP :(
[18:36] <SolarWar> RainCT, http://rafb.net/p/sH0B3k39.html
[18:37] <SolarWar> and before that I was getting the following error: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of qlix_0.2.4-0ubuntu1.dsc
[18:37] <SolarWar> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[18:38] <RainCT> SolarWar: dunno.. the incoming directory is clean
[18:38] <SolarWar> RainCT, that was before you cleared it i think
[18:39] <RichW> I uploaded my package to my PPA, Where do I find the results? - http://pastebin.com/m2d01c446
[18:39] <SolarWar> RainCT, now I get the security error i posted
[18:39] <RainCT> RichW: https://launchpad.net/~username/+archive
[18:41] <RainCT> SolarWar: I've no idea what that could be, for me it works... Perhaps siretart knows what the problem is?
[18:42] <RichW> http://ppa.launchpad.net/richies/ubuntu - Says not found
[18:42] <RainCT> RichW: ~richies
[18:43] <RichW> Pretty sure nothing is there :)
[18:43] <RichW> "This PPA does not contain any packages yet."
[18:43] <crimsun> how long ago did you upload?
[18:44] <crimsun> the source doesn't build immediately
[18:44] <soyyo> hi
[18:45] <RichW> ahh
[18:45] <RichW> only about 15 minutes or so
[18:45] <cprov> RichW: check your Richie <RichieS@GMail.com> mbox
[18:45] <RichW> Ahh thanks
[18:45] <RichW> I have results :)
[18:46] <SolarWar> RainCT, very interesting, sometimes it lets me upload a couple files before I get the bad IP connecting error
[18:46] <SolarWar> just so you know
[18:46] <SolarWar> :)
[18:47] <RainCT> SolarWar: yep, I have the .dsc and the .orig.tar.gz here
[18:48] <SolarWar> hrm, it went through
[18:48] <SolarWar> it took a couple tries
[18:48] <SolarWar> thats pretty strange
[18:50] <RainCT> uhh. did someone archive julius?
[18:51] <laga> the binary package? yes
[18:52] <RainCT> laga: What? I mean on REVU, it was marked as archieved
[18:52] <laga> ah, sorry. i thought you were talking about the PPA
[18:53] <RainCT> laga: No problem. What is "archieve" supposed to mean related to a PPA? o_O
[18:54] <laga> RainCT: i figured you had deleted it accidentally
[18:54] <RainCT> ah
[18:59]  * SolarWar is now open for some revu comments (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix)  :)
[18:59]  * SolarWar is completely hooked on Gorillaz 
[19:03] <directhex> gorillaz? how passé
[19:03] <SolarWar> :( i don't wanna be passé
[19:04] <SolarWar> directhex, what are you listening to these days?
[19:04] <SolarWar> how strict are the rules on off topic conversations? :)
[19:05] <Awsoonn> how can I add a traslation hint for a string?
[19:05] <RichW> new packages still goes into intrepid?
[19:05] <DRebellion> RichW, yep
[19:05] <RichW> any really good ones?
[19:07] <NielsE> I've made af fix to bug 248186, it fixes a dependency issue on gdc wich is in the gcc-defaults source package, gdc is in universe, but gcc in main, where should I get my fix sponsored?
[19:08] <RainCT> NielsE: ubuntu-main-sponsors
[19:08] <directhex> solarion, the last albums i bought were coldplay, muse, and unkle
[19:08] <NielsE> RainCT: thanks
[19:10] <directhex> SolarWar, ^^
[19:10] <Awsoonn> better yet, is there a way to make a string not show up for translation?
[19:11] <SolarWar> directhex, got it
[19:11] <silwol> hi MOTU!
[19:11] <silwol> I am currently packaging navit for the openstreetmap team
[19:12] <silwol> which is a suitable way to get the openstreetmap map data on the pcs so that it is easy to use?
[19:12] <RichW> silwol: Looks nice, good luck :)
[19:13] <geser> slytherin: pong
[19:13] <silwol> should i create packages which contain the map data (huge!) or should I create scripts which allow downloading after installing them?
[19:13] <slytherin> geser: pm?
[19:13] <geser> sure
[19:13] <RainCT> silwol: how huge is 'huge'?
[19:14] <silwol> well, depends on the region you want to install
[19:14] <RichW> Ive seen 300MB+ packages in ubuntu.
[19:14] <silwol> I think europe has about 500mb
[19:14] <silwol> but the data is getting more and more
[19:15] <RainCT> silwol: better go with the scripts then, but make that discoverable to users
[19:16] <silwol> and another thing: how do I update the config file?
[19:16] <RichW> A small gui utility would be nice (for downloading maps), python maybe.
[19:16] <silwol> it's an xml file which I will place in the /etc directory.
[19:16] <silwol> it does not allow inclusions as far as I have seen for now.
[19:16] <RainCT> silwol: dpkg should take care of that
[19:17] <silwol> so dpkg should edit the config when I add or remove maps?
[19:17] <RainCT> ah
[19:17] <silwol> In my opinion it would be the best to have a directory like apache does with mods
[19:17] <Laney> silwol: You can use debconf to prompt to download maps or not in the postinst.
[19:17] <Laney> might be a nice solution
[19:18] <silwol> Laney: but I guess it would make sense to keep an entry in the application menu as well because the maps change quite frequently
[19:19] <Laney> silwol: Oh yes, that definitely makes sense too. I'm just thinking that when someone installs such an application, they might want the data to be installed with it
[19:21] <silwol> where should the map data go if it is installed by a script? /usr/share/navit?
[19:27] <silwol> Another problem: the data has to be converted using a small program from navit.
[19:27] <silwol> this reduces the size to about half or a third of the original file size
[19:28] <silwol> this means the users would have to download far more than necessary
[19:45] <SolarWar> how can I override the global dependencies for a particular package? I tried to redefine the Build-Depends: attribute however, debuild gives me warnings that this identifier is not known
[19:46] <azeem> what do you mean with "global dependencies"?
[19:46] <SolarWar> i mean the ones defined by the Build-Depends: line
[19:47] <SolarWar> that you usually find at the beginning  of the file
[19:48] <RichW> My ppa package is building on intrepid when it is uploaded, how do i make it build on hardy?
[19:48] <azeem> SolarWar: ok, what do you mean with "redefine"?
[19:49] <SolarWar> i would like one package to have a few extra dependencies
[19:49] <crimsun> RichW: what distribution is defined at the top of debian/changelog?
[19:49] <slytherin> RichW: Put hardy in changelog. But I guess launchpad now allows you to simply copy source packages from one version to another in ppa
[19:49] <geser> RichW: you need to upload it for hardy too (with a different revision)
[19:50] <slytherin> SolarWar: paste your debian/control file somewhere
[19:50] <azeem> SolarWar: you're mixing Build-Depends with binary Depends then
[19:50] <azeem> SolarWar: Build-Depends are for building the packages, binary Depends or for package installation
[19:50] <geser> slytherin: copying only works if you copy source and binaries, it doesn't get rebuild (won't work with package pools)
[19:50] <slytherin> oh, I didn't know that
[19:51] <SolarWar> azeem, sladen  http://rafb.net/p/1eHmCY56.html
[19:51] <geser> and it better to copy "upwards", from hardy to intrepid and not vice versa due to dependencies inserted during build
[19:51] <SolarWar> the qlix-dbg package needs qlix, and libqt4-dev for debug symbols
[19:51] <azeem> SolarWar: Build-Depends have no business in binary package stanzas
[19:51] <azeem> SolarWar: so add those to the top Build-Depends
[19:52] <kdubois> how do i know if an upload to my ppa worked?
[19:52] <azeem> SolarWar: are you sure it needs libqt4-dbg /when building/?
[19:52] <Awsoonn> when I modify a string, what happens to the translation for it?
[19:52] <kdubois> it said it was accepted, but ppa.launchpad.net/kdub is empty...
[19:52] <azeem> SolarWar: I think what you want is add libqt-dbg to Depends
[19:52] <azeem> kdubois: there might be some delay
[19:53] <slytherin> kdubois: perhaps it is yet to be built
[19:56] <SolarWar> azeem, what does the Depends field do again?
[19:56] <kdubois> alright, i'll wait a bit... :P
[19:57] <RichW> kdubois: Check your email
[19:57] <RichW> kdubois: Im doing this for the first time too :)
[19:57] <slytherin> geser: sorry to bug again, free to do review for new version of electric?
[19:57] <azeem> SolarWar: check the policy
[19:57] <SolarWar> where can i find that?A
[19:58] <slytherin> SolarWar: Depends field specifies on which package your app depends for running
[19:58] <azeem> apt-get install debian-policy
[19:58] <slytherin> SolarWar: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ Check chapter 5
[20:01] <kdubois> RichW: it said it was accepted in the email, so i guess i just have to wait a bit for things to go through
[20:02] <geser> kdubois: I just looked and they were getting build, so just wait till they finish building and get published
[20:06] <kdubois> sweet! it worked. sorry for my impatience
[20:07] <kdubois> do people need to add my gpg key to use my ppa?
[20:07] <Laney> I don't think ppa uploads are signed
[20:07] <slytherin> kdubois: no, ppa packages are not signed
[20:09] <cprov> kdubois: PPA uploads have to be signed (so, you need to register your GPG key) but the archive itself is not signed, anyone can add it to his source.list and use your packages (as long as they ignore the error raised by apt)
[20:10] <slytherin> geser: please find some time to review and sponsor - bug 242720. See you tomorrow.
[20:10] <kdubois> ah, neat. thanks
[21:04] <lsd_> any ideas why i get this when doing a pbuiler create - W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/Release  Unable to find expected entry  restriced/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[21:05] <lsd_> the base system gets installed ok - then i get that...
[21:11]  * NCommander works on bootstrapping an armel port of Ubuntu
[21:40]  * norsetto has now the certainty that NCommander is insane
[21:41] <warp10> heya norsetto! great lecture today, congrats!
[21:42] <NCommander> norsetto, why do you think I'm insane
[21:42]  * NCommander has already binary-crossed the necessary toolchains
[21:42]  * NCommander is installed ubuntu-ppc on his old machine to create a dak server
[21:42] <norsetto> warp10: hey warp10, glad you liked it
[21:42] <nhandler> norsetto: I learned a lot from reading the log of the lecture. Congratulations
[21:43] <NCommander> norsetto, why am I so insane :-P
[21:43] <norsetto> nhandler: thanks
[21:43] <norsetto> NCommander: was just commenting on "NCommander works on bootstrapping an armel port of Ubuntu"
[21:44] <NCommander> :-P
[21:44] <NCommander> Great, I'm insane then
[21:44] <norsetto> NCommander: nothing wrong to be insane, many great people are insane ;-)
[21:44] <NCommander> _-;
[21:46] <norsetto> warp10, nhandler: when is your turn ? :-P
[21:47] <warp10> norsetto: mmm... soon, I hope. Is there any topic more urgent than other?
[21:47]  * warp10 browse the request list
[21:47] <nhandler> norsetto: I'm not sure yet. But I will do one eventually.
[21:47] <nhandler> warp10, where is the request list?
[21:48] <warp10> nhandler: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Requests
[21:48] <nhandler> Thanks warp10
[21:48] <warp10> nhandler: np :)
[21:57] <norsetto> warp10: what about "all you ever wanted to know about packaging python apps and never dared to ask", with particular attention to the "New new new python policy"?
[21:59] <norsetto> warp10: finished by an open debate about pycentral vs. pysupport :-P
[22:01] <warp10> norsetto: s/open debate/bloody flame/ :P
[22:01] <warp10> norsetto: yeah, that's an idea. A topic about QA activities could be a good idea too
[22:01] <norsetto> warp10: indeed
[22:03] <dmishd> hello, is this the right place to ask about getting an updated package into the intrepid universe?
[22:03] <Laney> why yes, yes it is
[22:04] <dmishd> excellent :)
[22:04] <dmishd>  Wanted to check on the process for getting a new upstream version of mypasswordsafe uploaded for intrepid.  I've packaged it in my ppa, registered it as a bug in launchpad, nominated it for release and subscribed the ubuntu-universe-sponsors.  Did that a few weeks ago and have heard nothing since.  Is it usual to wait for several weeks or is there something else I should do?
[22:04] <dmishd> The bug url is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mypasswordsafe/+bug/221893
[22:06] <dmishd> it would be a more recent version than the version in ubuntu, though the upstream release was 2006, and fixes a serious bug for 64 bit users
[22:06] <Laney> dmishd: There's no need to nominate
[22:06] <SolarWar> anyone have any idea why I get these errors: Error '425 Security: Bad IP connecting.' during ftp transfer of qlix_0.2.4-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[22:06] <Laney> And the reason nobody's reviewed it is because of the status. It wants to be "Confirmed".
[22:06] <Laney> Also for sponsorship of a new upstream version you need to attach the .diff.gz to the bug report.
[22:07] <dmishd> ah thank you.  I'll go sort that out.  Anything else?
[22:07] <Laney> dmishd: It might be worth emailing/ircing the Debian maintainer to see if he wants to take your package too
[22:07] <Laney> I see that you've given sources.list lines for Ubuntu on the debian bug, some people might not like that
[22:08] <dmishd> I have added a comment to the debian bug, should I email aswell?
[22:08] <Laney> A polite note might be welcomed
[22:09] <Laney> Getting the updated package into Debian is easier for Ubuntu anyway.
[22:10] <dmishd> OK.  And thanks for the heads up about the sources.list thing.  I did add a note at the bottom saying I was new to this etc ...
[22:11] <Laney> Yeah I saw, it's no big deal. Just that mixing repos from different distros can cause unforseen problems
[22:20] <dmishd> Thank you for the help Laney :)
[22:20] <Laney> no probs
[22:20] <Laney> and good luck!
[22:21] <Laney> dmishd: You need to fix the version number in your changelog
[22:33] <Laney> Bah. The debian QA group updated a package that I'd already done an update for. :(
[22:33] <Laney> I posted that an update was available to the wnpp bug too
[22:44] <nxvl> hello from orlando!
[22:46] <norsetto> nxvl: 5-4-3-2-1 ......
[22:46] <norsetto> nxvl injected
[22:47] <nxvl> noooooooooooooooo
[22:47]  * nxvl runs and cries
[22:47] <nxvl> norsetto: what am i injected from?
[22:48] <norsetto> nxvl: from the LaunchPad
[22:48] <RoAkSoAx> nxvl, run forest, runt
[22:48] <RoAkSoAx> nxvl, run forest, run*
[22:48] <nxvl> norsetto: why?
[22:49] <norsetto> nxvl: you mean you have not visited Cape Canaveral yet (ok, its not called like that anymore, but I still like it, much better than KSC)
[22:50] <nxvl> norsetto: i have just get into the hotel
[22:50] <null_vector> my new server has centos installed on it ; ;
[22:50] <null_vector> i get to spend the next few days remotely installing ubuntu
[22:51] <nxvl> norsetto: i reach the US today morning (or noon or something)
[22:51] <norsetto> nxvl: what are you doing in the hotel!? Life is too short to be wasted in hotels ;-)
[22:51] <RoAkSoAx> nxvl, if you gonna be in miami, go to Nocturnal or Space,if you wanna experience miame after hour parties :D
[22:51] <RoAkSoAx> and if you like house music :D
[22:52] <nxvl> norsetto: yeah, tell that my gf's family
[22:52] <nxvl> they are figting for the order they will get into the shower
[22:53] <nxvl> norsetto: so i open my laptop and stop hearing them
[22:54] <norsetto> nxvl: hmmm, perhaps you ought to reconsider some aspects of your life. Just look at your "to-be-mother-in-law" and think that your gf will be a good approximation ;-)
[22:54] <nxvl> norsetto: i'm trying to avoid thinking in that, really
[22:55] <nxvl> norsetto: actually they are kind of different, the problem is to hear the fights and whims from her sister
[22:56] <norsetto> nxvl: find her a bf :-)
[22:56] <nxvl> norsetto: she has, but he's on NY for his PhD (or something)
[22:57] <geser> LOL http://sbender.net/~scott/tshirt.jpg
[22:57] <SolarWar> I'm looking for some packaging experts to comment on my package thats up for review: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix
[22:57] <SolarWar> hhaahaha!
[22:57] <norsetto> nxvl: ok, I can propose RoAkSoAx as a good surrogate, he is a promising ingeniebro after all
[22:58] <RoAkSoAx> norsetto, hahaha looooool
[22:58] <RoAkSoAx> that reminds me i had to write the school in chicago!!
[22:58] <nxvl> norsetto: i can't make that RoAkSoAx is a friend of mine
[23:40] <azeem> what's the difference between https://launchpad.net/~motu and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev?
[23:41] <RAOF> ubuntu-dev is deprecated, IIRC.
[23:41] <azeem> k, I got a mail saying I should contact Tech Board else my ubuntu-dev membership will expire this week
[23:50] <wgrant> azeem: The aim is to have no direct members in ubuntu-dev except for teams. Everybody should keep their motu membership instead.
[23:51] <azeem> I'll just ignore those mails then, thanks