[02:52] i am in canada ;) [02:52] oh ... quite late ;) [03:09] <[reed]> asac: #moz08 on irc.mozilla.org [03:19] * asac joins that channel ;) [03:29] * asac goes looking for fooood [03:30] cu tomorrow [03:41] <[reed]> same! === asac_ is now known as asac === jetsaredim1 is now known as jetsaredim === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [05:46] * gnomefreak going to bed its almost 1:00am [09:33] hi! [11:08] bug 201655 [11:08] Launchpad bug 201655 in mozilla-thunderbird "send email with attachement from openoffice through thunderbird fails: "unable to open the temporary file"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201655 [11:08] bug 240093 [11:08] Launchpad bug 240093 in mozilla-thunderbird "Get Mail only retrieves one message at a time" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/240093 [11:19] someone know when asac will be back ? [11:20] XioNoX, he's in Canada atm... [11:20] he should be there [11:20] So, at some appropriate time, but in some other timezone (most probably UTC-4) [11:21] yep [11:21] if toronto area [11:21] who speaks german beside him? [11:21] Jazzva, ok thx, for the Mozilla Summit I think [11:22] XioNoX: yep that would be where he is until thursday IIRC [11:22] ok [11:22] XioNoX, no problem :). [11:25] what OO.o application would i find the following? OpenOffice.org 2.4 -> Extras -> Options -> Internet -> E-Mail [11:25] i cant seem to get it from word nor from oo.o menu in applications > office === jt1 is now known as jtv [15:36] too bad [15:36] when did my nick disappear? [15:36] hey [15:36] Hi asac_the_2nd how are you after meny hours of fly? [15:36] I don't know [15:36] i slept for 12 hours now ;) [15:37] so feeling better [15:39] btw, its UTC-8 here or something like that [15:39] current time is 7:39 in the morning :-D [15:39] where are you, california? [15:39] vancouver [15:39] thats the time zone hes in [15:39] (whistler to be exact) [15:40] * gnomefreak finally a higher time zone than asac ;) [15:40] well have fun ive been here since like 4ish and im getting tired [15:40] sure [15:41] if anyone has a backlog and can see when my main nick went offline I would appreciate any info ;( [15:45] asac_the_2nd: maybe ubuntulog ? [15:45] isnt that far [15:46] have tried with the last seen irc command' [15:46] ? [15:46] asac_the_2nd: 07:48 GMT [15:46] * asac has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [15:46] @seen asac [15:46] !seen asac [15:46] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen asac [15:46] lol [15:47] asac_the_2nd: why wasn't i invited?! :( [15:48] -NickServ- Last addr : n=asac@debian/developer/asac [15:48] -NickServ- Last seen : Jul 28 07:48:45 2008 (6 hours, 59 minutes, 48 seconds ago) [15:52] just amazing [15:53] whenever i leave my system goes down :( [15:53] i cannot even call my telephone at home anymore [15:53] Murphy's Law ;) [15:57] yeah. still a pain in the ass [15:57] even if this pain has a name [15:59] XioNoX, so how are things going? [16:00] trying to make a rich list box [16:00] but the query works now? [16:00] see here [16:00] http://xionox.info/testmoz/test4.xul [16:00] with templates only [16:01] but I'm going very slowly [16:01] yeah. templates can be painful [16:01] for exemple, here, if I add another triple, nothing works... [16:02] XioNoX, i gave you the example on friday how to get plugin details [16:02] why dong you use that as a base? [16:02] i've lost the file [16:02] :D [16:02] thats not my problem then [16:03] i cannot log in at home ;( [16:03] XioNoX, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [16:03] i think i pasted it ... so maybe you can find it there [16:04] nice, i didn't know this page [16:05] it is what i try to do, create a richlistbox and add the content of the .rdf inside [16:06] yeah [16:06] find that snippet [16:07] XioNoX, http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/pfs_xionox/test3.xul [16:08] ok, thx, it is what i was looking for [16:15] hmm ... my provider says that there is major bustage in my home city ... internet-wise [16:15] lets hope my system will auto recover once that is fixed :/ [16:15] * asac_the_2nd goes out looking for breakfast [16:31] asac_the_2nd: why wasn't i invited? :D [16:50] asac_the_2nd, it was long but i finally did it : http://xionox.info/testmoz/test3.xul [17:12] see you tomorrow [17:12] bye [18:28] armin76, i wasnt ask about whom to invite ;) ... but i am on it this time [18:32] bad asac [18:33] asac_the_2nd: even if i fix a lot more stuff than you! [18:35] asac_the_2nd: i have a backtrace of sparc sigbus during runtime(which occurs on gentoo and intrepid), want to see it? [18:37] sure why not [18:39] asac_the_2nd: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/10911 [18:41] oh in url classifier [18:41] interesting [18:41] eh, wtf [18:41] http://rafb.net/p/DLog8Q70.html [18:42] asac_the_2nd: could be sqlite? [18:42] because thats the main change between 3.0 and 3.0.1 [18:42] armin76, err, we are using system sqlite in intrepid [18:43] you are? :) [18:43] yey [18:43] !info sqlite intrepid [18:43] sqlite (source: sqlite): command line interface for SQLite. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.17-4build1 (intrepid), package size 15 kB, installed size 80 kB [18:43] !info sqlite3 intrepid [18:43] sqlite3 (source: sqlite3): A command line interface for SQLite 3. In component main, is optional. Version 3.5.9-3 (intrepid), package size 19 kB, installed size 88 kB [18:43] same problem [18:43] i mean its 3.5.9 what is causing problems [18:45] so is it unaligned mem? [18:46] no idea, just guessing [18:47] will try building and downgrading sqlite [18:47] armin76, so in 3.0 it didnt crash? [18:48] correct [18:50] armin76, but when 3.0 in intrepid doesnt crash how can it be sqlite? [18:52] hrm... [18:52] asac_the_2nd: why are you so sure it didn't crash? [18:52] we're talking about sparc, btw [18:52] i nkow [18:53] armin76, if you disable safebrowsing, does it work like a charm? or do you run in other sigbus'es [18:54] disable safebrowsing in building or in the prefs? [18:55] in prefs [18:55] let me check [18:59] i'm asac the bumber! [19:00] bumb [19:00] bumb [19:00] bah [19:00] hello [19:00] hrm [19:01] hi :) [19:01] double bumb! [19:01] this translation thing doesn't seem to work fine [19:01] asac_the_2nd: doesn't seem to crash with it disabled [19:01] and it crashed before i disabled it [19:01] $ firefox /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 12810 Bus error "$prog" ${1+"$@"} [19:02] hola [19:02] Hello [19:02] bumb [19:03] asac_the_bumber, hehe [19:03] ok [19:03] asac_the_2nd: let me try with intrepid [19:04] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=319854 [19:04] i doubt that thats it. it was before 3.0 [19:06] asac_the_2nd: http://rafb.net/p/dK5VeJ48.html <- the diff between 3.0 and 3.0.1, except CVS and sqlite stuff [19:06] asac_the_2nd: meet rbu , gentoo's nm maintainer [19:07] rbu: meet asac_the_2nd, ubuntu's nm maintainer [19:07] i think :P [19:07] hey all === mib_7llpqx is now known as asac_the_intrepi [19:11] asac_the_2nd: slacker, looks like on intrepid it doesn't sigbus as well [19:12] rbu, hi [19:13] nice to meet you ;) === asac_the_2nd is now known as asac [19:14] asac: oh my, how many of you are there? [19:14] asac: so, what's up? [19:15] haha [19:15] rbu, just wanted to know about your plans for NM 0.7 [19:15] rbu: the others are me :P [19:16] asac: well, if you ask me to speak freely, i'm quite disappointed by NM's release policy [19:17] asac: i have no time to follow SVN status, and see which revision would qualify for what. and there's the KNM issue, it's still quite broken [19:17] rbu, we have knetworkmanager in our ~network-manager PPA ... which appear to work well [19:17] https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive [19:17] asac: so for me this means that i'll only consider including NM 0.7 when (1) it has a proper release with a proper version number and (2) KNM can use it [19:18] PPA ? [19:18] oh, ok [19:19] PPA == personal package archive [19:19] well, last time i compiled it (like 2 months ago?) it was broken. since then i have not seen any updates on the KNM mailing list, so i assumed it wa still broken :-) [19:20] asac: how is your experience with the 0.7 branch? and what are your intents? [19:21] am i the only one who thinks some people updating 0.7 SRPMS and not doing any releases is broken by design? [19:23] rbu, thats true [19:23] rbu, point is that upstream has really low resources (basically just 1 man show) [19:24] rbu, i will upload NM 0.7 to intrepid any day soon as we need 3g support [19:24] rbu, you could use our snapshots as i try to QA them and fix eventual issues before uploading them [19:26] asac: so is the safebrowsing thing related someway to sqlite? [19:27] asac: well, low resources really is not an excuse. it's not hard to make a tarball, and put a name onto it. and the guys are maintaining the thing in [19:28] their distributions anyway, so they know which bugs are fixed and which combinations of source and patches work ok [19:28] rbu, right. did you install fedora recently? [19:28] asac: nope. why are you asking? [19:28] i really only install either gentoo or debian these days [19:29] i tested it and NM really sucks. so they are not really having better snapshots then we [19:29] do [19:29] lol [19:29] armin76, did you try to downgrade to 3.0 in intrepid? [19:29] asac: how does the whole internationalization aspect look for 0.7? i know that you guys give a lot of emphasis to that [19:30] rbu, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/main.eni [19:30] asac: last time i checked fedora 9 did not even contain the KNM either.. were you able to test it on there? [19:30] thats the branch i use to base our packages on. i regularly sync it with upstream, then stabilize things a bit [19:30] i never push there until i release to PPA [19:30] rbu, no ... didnt test knetworkmanger on fedora. i just saw it working on ubuntu from the PPA [19:31] rbu, we dont look at internationalization right now. once nm 0.7 enters the archive our translators will start to fill the missing translations in [19:31] asac: ah, i see. [19:32] asac: so basically you would like to use that ~asac/network-manager/main.eni as a stable branch? [19:32] however, the applet wil get a major rework. there will be a 3g wizard landing soon [19:32] rbu, stabilized ... not really stable [19:33] asac: speaking of the applet. i was a little sad to see none of the ubuntu work you guys did merged back into the trunk [19:33] i saw that 0.6 applet once and it's so cool [19:33] rbu, which parts are you referring to? [19:33] the manual network configuration [19:33] rbu, oh. thats not network-manager [19:33] thats gnome [19:33] gnome network-admin [19:34] we will drop it once 0.7 goes online [19:34] its a real pain to maintain [19:34] asac: but that was somehow integrated into the nm-applet, no? [19:34] asac: uh...wait a sec [19:34] yes. its just a single menu entry [19:34] but since its not really existing everywhere you couldnt really put it into main svn [19:34] we also have major user confusion due to that feature [19:35] once you confiugre your wireless there it will be blacklisted from NM ... which makes users wonder whats going on [19:35] asac: user_pref("browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled", false) <- i've removed this pref i added with safebrowsing.enabled, and now it sigbused [19:35] armin76, ok. so it was always broken :/ [19:36] asac: so what are your plans with that bzr archive? you are quite close to trunk right now, and you want to stabilize it for the 8.10 release? [19:36] and after that, it would only get bugfixes? [19:37] rbu, we will track upstream as long as possible during 8.10 development cycle [19:37] asac: but after that freeze [19:37] will you create a new branch and do the same for 9.04 again? [19:37] when it becomes obvious that upstream wont make a final or beta 0.7 in time we will start to freeze [19:37] rbu, most likely that branch will continue to be synched [19:38] asac: how do i downgrade to 3.0 on intrepid? :P [19:38] i will branch a stable branch for 8.10 when we freeze [19:38] ahh, ok [19:38] s/most likely// [19:38] armin76, let me see [19:40] armin76, apt-get install firefox=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-gnome-support=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-3.0=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-3.0-gnome-support=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9-dev=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 [19:40] remove gnome-support bits if you dont have that [19:41] yuck [19:41] asac: ok, here's the deal: i would like to see a working NM in gentoo testing rather sooner than later, but only if it does not contain huge feature regressions [19:42] asac: i'd be happy if we could join forces as far as stabling / testing on a branch go [19:42] there's only one problem: i don't have bzr installed :-P [19:43] rbu, gentoo has bzr? [19:43] or not at all? [19:43] asac: yeah, we have that thing [19:43] would it a problem to emerge that? [19:44] the command lines are really straight forward, so nothing really to learn for users that have used svn or cvs [19:44] no, it wouldn't. that statement was more like: "ubuntu are the only people using that thing.. so we can't cooperate" [19:45] rbu, its now a main thing for savannah [19:45] asac: i think our infra team is more on the git side... but i guess it doesn't matter in the end [19:45] E: Version '3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2' for 'firefox-3.0' was not found [19:45] same for firefox [19:45] rbu, do you need auto synchs? [19:46] sorry for my ignorance how gentoo maintains their packages [19:46] armin76, too bad. you can grab the debs from launchpad directly [19:46] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633450 [19:46] asac: not a problem.. i don't know details of your stuff either :-) [19:47] or amd: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633448 [19:47] rbu, if you just need tarballs exported i dont see that its a big problem [19:47] asac: i don't have a clear idea of what auto-sync would be... can you give me some more detail? [19:47] auto-sync means that the sources you provide to users are automatically updated from upstream [19:47] i doubt that you do that [19:48] how do you release things? [19:48] tarball? [19:48] and packaging data in CVS? [19:49] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633410 [19:49] stupid me- [19:49] you want sparc ;) [19:49] my brains memory is really volatile [19:49] ok sparc firefox: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633414 [19:50] and xul: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633454 [19:50] armin76, ^^ [19:50] rbu, are you german? [19:51] yup [19:53] asac: yes, we can provide users the files directly from upstream if those are repos [19:53] svn, cvs, git, i think bzr as well [19:53] armin76, ugh. so you say: emerge NM0.7 and you would get the bzr branch we have + the packaging? [19:53] or do you checkout by tag? [19:54] you can checkout by tag, yes [19:54] armin76, not bad. and the packaging? [19:54] sorry, i was in another shell for a moment [19:54] or you could do an snapshot, obviously [19:54] no prob [19:54] armin76: we CAN provide svn directly, but i would opt not to [19:54] bumb! [19:54] armin76, but for the "stable" rolling head you always use tarballs? [19:55] asac: so the way it would work is i make a tarball, and push that to users with a cvs commit to our tree [19:55] rbu, right. thats simple [19:55] asac: live sources should always be "disabled" by default [19:55] * armin76 nods [19:55] asac: yeah, i'm in berlin [19:56] ok. so you provide a tarball and in addition provide arbitrary VCS references so users can use "live-sources" [19:56] rbu, does the version need to be encoded in the tarball? [19:56] asac: it should be, yes [19:57] how would a snapshot tarball be encoded, like: network-manager-0.7+svn7777.tar.gz? [19:57] asac: and he's german [19:57] rbu, it should or it has to be [19:57] rbu, wilkommen ;) ... berliner ... ick bin ein hamburger ;) [19:57] asac: users installing their own current checkout of the snapshot is not something i support (as in: put energy into) [19:58] asac: should=QA says it must, but some people commit otherwise in disregard of policy. there's no technical means to enforce it [19:58] rbu, ok. so its not a technical requirement to match the version (as we have in ubuntu=) [19:59] asac: nope. as for version names, it's rather a matter of taste, but networkmanager-0.7_p20080728.tar.gz is what i would like best :-P [20:00] is 0.7 released? [20:00] _pre [20:00] instead of _p [20:00] ah :) [20:00] fail [20:00] armin76: nitpick [20:00] :D [20:00] asac: juten tach na' hamburch! [20:00] asac: 3.0 doesn't seem to sigbus with malware or safeb enabled [20:01] rbu, hehe [20:01] like we would talk that way there ;) [20:01] bzr export --format=tgz --root=network-manager/ /tmp/network-manager-0.7-bzrshot.tar.gz https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/main.eni/ [20:01] if you want to export [20:02] armin76, thats strange strange [20:02] armin76, so does libxul.so link against system sqlite? can you check with ldd? [20:03] asac: i guess i'll just have a look at how bzr works, and how the code you have there looks.. and then i'll come back with comments and maybe additional wishes [20:03] asac: oops, it sigbused [20:03] rbu, right. let me know [20:03] asac: one thing though... what about the vpn plugins? [20:03] rbu, i am this week in canada on mozilla summit. so sorry if not responsive from time to time [20:03] they are all in the bzr, do you package them? [20:03] rbu, upstream fixed pptp and vpnc should work now [20:03] we didnt do any packages, but thats the next i am doing [20:04] ok, cool [20:04] i think i have to bump the bzr tree one more time [20:04] to get all the latest pptp fixes [20:04] Segmentation fault [20:04] Sigbus [20:05] fta, what segfaults for you now? you probably are not on sparc ;) [20:05] the crash /w flash are back :( [20:05] es [20:05] fta, right. i have the fix in my ppa ;) [20:05] we use nspluginwrapper everywere now [20:06] so just install nspluginwrapper from my ppa and then --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree [20:06] that should do the trick [20:07] nspluginwrapper is sucking my cpu on my laptop/amd64 [20:07] fta, that just means that flash is sucking it [20:07] its just that npviewer is the process where flash goes mad [20:08] fta, I'd suggest flashblock extensions [20:11] no, open fresh ff (no session), visit a page with flash, close the tab, nspluginwrapper remains forever at ~50% cpu [20:22] asac: 3.0 doesn't sigbus with safebrowsing.malware disabled [20:23] fta, ok. thats the issue that causes crashes in non-nspluginwarpper case most likely [20:24] libflashsupport deadlocks so the flash doesnt shut down [20:24] even though the window was destructed [20:25] ok ... i am going down to smoke a cigarette. bbiw [20:35] asac: hrm...meh, not sure why it sigbuses...fyi disabling malware stuff is a workaround, but now i compiled 3.0 using system sqlite-3.5.6 and sigbused as well... [20:35] i'm trying with included sqlite, we'll see [21:27] armin76, i think its not sqlite, but the classifier code itself [21:38] armin76, didnt we have sigbusses in reinterpret casts on sparc at some point? [21:38] or was it compiler warning/errors? [21:40] * asac signing: "when will my system come back up again ... oh when, oh when, oh when" :( [21:41] s/signing/singing/ [21:47] @time Berlin [21:47] asac: Current time in Europe/Berlin: July 28 2008, 22:47:29 - Next meeting: Mentoring Reception in 2 days [21:53] asac: the latter [21:54] thats interesting.. [21:55] 3.0 sigbuses as well no matter what i do [21:55] well, it doesn't if i disable the safebrowsing stuff [21:56] yeah. the code is just broken [21:56] why? :) [21:57] armin76, what address does str.BeginReading() point to? [21:57] uh, and how should i know that? : [21:57] armin76, go for debugger [21:57] with -O0 -g [21:57] ? [21:58] okay, rebuilding [21:59] armin76, damn i hate xchat ... just wiped this channels backlog :( [21:59] anyway. start=9 [21:59] that lookd unaligned [21:59] so str.BeginReading() probably points to unaligned thing [22:00] maybe you need to manually assemble the 32bit int there? [22:01] fta@ix:~ $ firefox [22:01] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [22:01] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [22:01] damn [22:01] at least it uses alsa now [22:01] but my whole system is supposed to use p-a [22:01] so no sound in ff3 :( [22:01] fta, flash is supposed to use alsa with pulse plugin [22:02] most likely your alsa doest have pulse plugin properly setup [22:02] flash 10 can do that now. so it should work :/ [22:02] it used to work.. something changed in the last 3-4 weeks [22:02] kernel? [22:02] my sound is completely broken in 2.6.26 [22:03] i only have sound when booting into 2.6.24 [22:03] bug report? [22:03] i just had to blacklist snd_pcsp [22:03] luke is working on a pulseaudio patch for the snd-pcsp issue [22:03] crimsun, if its not known ill file one once getting back home [22:04] crimsun, that sounds like it [22:04] sound works somewhat when directly going through alsa [22:04] but not through pulse (only the beeper makes some noise) [22:04] it's pretty trivial; just ignore the pc speaker as a sink/source when parsing hal info [22:05] crimsun, would that make the behaviour like above (e.g. only beeps, but no speakers)? [22:05] correct. [22:05] good. then my issue is covered [22:05] crimsun, do you know if we properly setup the pulse plugin for alsa now by default? [22:05] (for flash 10) [22:05] ff3 is fighting with mplayer for the sound :( [22:05] bad [22:07] asac: if luke or another core-dev hasn't merged my alsa-lib branch, then, no... [22:07] meaning "no, I don't know, but if my branch hasn't been merged, then it is not properly configured" [22:07] crimsun, where is that branch? [22:08] i think that luke doesnt even know that there is an issue [22:08] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new ? [22:09] crimsun, i assume that the ~ubuntu-core-dev branch is what is currently released, right? [22:09] so its basically just pushing your branch to -core-dev and uploading? [22:10] if thats the case ill take care for that [22:10] btw, why is it called "ubuntu.new"? [22:10] asac: that's my branch; I haven't inspected ~ubuntu-core-dev lately to check for additional necessary merges [22:10] fta, can you try crimsun's alsa-lib branch? [22:11] crimsun, i think rev 8 matches (at least from the commit log) [22:11] so its just your revision 9 [22:11] asac: it's called that due to /ubuntu being a "misbranch" [22:11] he? [22:11] fta, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new [22:11] I believe back when I created /ubuntu, I attempted to dump the entire source tree + /debian into it [22:12] fta, i think that should fix it for you [22:12]