[02:52] <asac> i am in canada ;)
[02:52] <asac> oh ... quite late ;)
[03:09] <[reed]> asac: #moz08 on irc.mozilla.org
[03:19]  * asac joins that channel ;)
[03:29]  * asac goes looking for fooood
[03:30] <asac> cu tomorrow
[03:41] <[reed]> same!
[05:46]  * gnomefreak going to bed its almost 1:00am
[09:33] <XioNoX> hi!
[11:08] <gnomefreak> bug 201655
[11:08] <gnomefreak> bug 240093
[11:19] <XioNoX> someone know when asac will be back ?
[11:20] <Jazzva> XioNoX, he's in Canada atm...
[11:20] <gnomefreak> he should be there
[11:20] <Jazzva> So, at some appropriate time, but in some other timezone (most probably UTC-4)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:21] <gnomefreak> if toronto area
[11:21] <gnomefreak> who speaks german beside him?
[11:21] <XioNoX> Jazzva, ok thx, for the Mozilla Summit I think
[11:22] <gnomefreak> XioNoX: yep that would be where he is until thursday IIRC
[11:22] <XioNoX> ok
[11:22] <Jazzva> XioNoX, no problem :).
[11:25] <gnomefreak> what OO.o application would i find the following? OpenOffice.org 2.4 -> Extras -> Options -> Internet -> E-Mail
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i cant seem to get it from word nor from oo.o menu in applications > office
[15:36] <asac_the_2nd> too bad
[15:36] <asac_the_2nd> when did my nick disappear?
[15:36] <XioNoX> hey
[15:36] <Volans> Hi asac_the_2nd how are you after meny hours of fly?
[15:36] <Volans> I don't know
[15:36] <asac_the_2nd> i slept for 12 hours  now ;)
[15:37] <asac_the_2nd> so feeling better
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> btw, its UTC-8 here or something like that
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> current time is 7:39 in the morning :-D
[15:39] <Volans> where are you, california?
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> vancouver
[15:39] <gnomefreak> thats the time zone hes in
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> (whistler to be exact)
[15:40]  * gnomefreak finally a higher time zone than asac ;)
[15:40] <gnomefreak> well have fun ive been here since like 4ish and im getting tired
[15:40] <asac_the_2nd> sure
[15:41] <asac_the_2nd> if anyone has a backlog and can see when my main nick went offline I would appreciate any info ;(
[15:45] <Volans> asac_the_2nd: maybe ubuntulog ?
[15:45] <asac_the_2nd> isnt that far
[15:46] <Volans> have tried with the last seen irc command'
[15:46] <Volans> ?
[15:46] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: 07:48 GMT
[15:46] <armin76> * asac has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[15:46] <armin76> @seen asac
[15:46] <armin76> !seen asac
[15:46] <armin76> lol
[15:47] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: why wasn't i invited?! :(
[15:48] <armin76> -NickServ- Last addr  : n=asac@debian/developer/asac
[15:48] <armin76> -NickServ- Last seen  : Jul 28 07:48:45 2008 (6 hours, 59 minutes, 48 seconds ago)
[15:52] <asac_the_2nd> just amazing
[15:53] <asac_the_2nd> whenever i leave my system goes down :(
[15:53] <asac_the_2nd> i cannot even call my telephone at home anymore
[15:53] <Volans> Murphy's Law ;)
[15:57] <asac_the_2nd> yeah. still a pain in the ass
[15:57] <asac_the_2nd> even if this pain has a name
[15:59] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, so how are things going?
[16:00] <XioNoX> trying to make a rich list box
[16:00] <asac_the_2nd> but the query works now?
[16:00] <XioNoX> see here
[16:00] <XioNoX> http://xionox.info/testmoz/test4.xul
[16:00] <XioNoX> with templates only
[16:01] <XioNoX> but I'm going very slowly
[16:01] <asac_the_2nd> yeah. templates can be painful
[16:01] <XioNoX> for exemple, here, if I add another triple, nothing works...
[16:02] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, i gave you the example on friday how to get plugin details
[16:02] <asac_the_2nd> why dong you use that as a base?
[16:02] <XioNoX> i've lost the file
[16:02] <XioNoX> :D
[16:02] <asac_the_2nd> thats not my problem then
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> i cannot log in at home ;(
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> i think i pasted it ... so maybe you can find it there
[16:04] <XioNoX> nice, i didn't know this page
[16:05] <XioNoX> it is what i try to do, create a richlistbox and add the content of the .rdf inside
[16:06] <asac_the_2nd> yeah
[16:06] <asac_the_2nd> find that snippet
[16:07] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/pfs_xionox/test3.xul
[16:08] <XioNoX> ok, thx, it is what i was looking for
[16:15] <asac_the_2nd> hmm ... my provider says that there is major bustage in my home city ... internet-wise
[16:15] <asac_the_2nd> lets hope my system will auto recover once that is fixed :/
[16:15]  * asac_the_2nd goes out looking for breakfast
[16:31] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: why wasn't i invited? :D
[16:50] <XioNoX> asac_the_2nd, it was long but i finally did it : http://xionox.info/testmoz/test3.xul
[17:12] <XioNoX> see you tomorrow
[17:12] <XioNoX> bye
[18:28] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, i wasnt ask about whom to invite ;) ... but i am on it this time
[18:32] <armin76> bad asac
[18:33] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: even if i fix a lot more stuff than you!
[18:35] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: i have a backtrace of sparc sigbus during runtime(which occurs on gentoo and intrepid), want to see it?
[18:37] <asac_the_2nd> sure why not
[18:39] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/10911
[18:41] <asac_the_2nd> oh in url classifier
[18:41] <asac_the_2nd> interesting
[18:41] <armin76> eh, wtf
[18:41] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/DLog8Q70.html
[18:42] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: could be sqlite?
[18:42] <armin76> because thats the main change between 3.0 and 3.0.1
[18:42] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, err, we are using system sqlite in intrepid
[18:43] <armin76> you are? :)
[18:43] <asac_the_2nd> yey
[18:43] <armin76> !info sqlite intrepid
[18:43] <armin76> !info sqlite3 intrepid
[18:43] <armin76> same problem
[18:43] <armin76> i mean its 3.5.9 what is causing problems
[18:45] <asac_the_2nd> so is it unaligned mem?
[18:46] <armin76> no idea, just guessing
[18:47] <armin76> will try building and downgrading sqlite
[18:47] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, so in 3.0 it didnt crash?
[18:48] <armin76> correct
[18:50] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, but when 3.0 in intrepid doesnt crash how can it be sqlite?
[18:52] <armin76> hrm...
[18:52] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: why are you so sure it didn't crash?
[18:52] <armin76> we're talking about sparc, btw
[18:52] <asac_the_2nd> i nkow
[18:53] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, if you disable safebrowsing, does it work like a charm? or do you run in other sigbus'es
[18:54] <armin76> disable safebrowsing in building or in the prefs?
[18:55] <asac_the_2nd> in prefs
[18:55] <armin76> let me check
[18:59] <asac_the_bumber> i'm asac the bumber!
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> bumb
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> bumb
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> bah
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> hello
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> hrm
[19:01] <Volans> hi :)
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> double bumb!
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> this translation thing doesn't seem to work fine
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> asac_the_2nd: doesn't seem to crash with it disabled
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> and it crashed before i disabled it
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> $ firefox /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 12810 Bus error               "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[19:02] <asac_the_bumber> hola
[19:02] <asac_the_bumber> Hello
[19:02] <asac_the_bumber> bumb
[19:03] <asac_the_2nd> asac_the_bumber, hehe
[19:03] <asac_the_2nd> ok
[19:03] <asac_the_bumber> asac_the_2nd: let me try with intrepid
[19:04] <asac_the_2nd> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=319854
[19:04] <asac_the_2nd> i doubt that thats it. it was before 3.0
[19:06] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: http://rafb.net/p/dK5VeJ48.html <- the diff between 3.0 and 3.0.1, except CVS and sqlite stuff
[19:06] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: meet rbu , gentoo's nm maintainer
[19:07] <armin76> rbu: meet asac_the_2nd, ubuntu's nm maintainer
[19:07] <armin76> i think :P
[19:07] <rbu> hey all
[19:11] <asac_the_intrepi> asac_the_2nd: slacker, looks like on intrepid it doesn't sigbus as well
[19:12] <asac_the_2nd> rbu, hi
[19:13] <asac_the_2nd> nice to meet you ;)
[19:14] <rbu> asac: oh my, how many of you are there?
[19:14] <rbu> asac: so, what's up?
[19:15] <armin76> haha
[19:15] <asac> rbu, just wanted to know about your plans for NM 0.7
[19:15] <armin76> rbu: the others are me :P
[19:16] <rbu> asac: well, if you ask me to speak freely, i'm quite disappointed by NM's release policy
[19:17] <rbu> asac: i have no time to follow SVN status, and see which revision would qualify for what. and there's the KNM issue, it's still quite broken
[19:17] <asac> rbu, we have knetworkmanager in our ~network-manager PPA ... which appear to work well
[19:17] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[19:17] <rbu> asac: so for me this means that i'll only consider including NM 0.7 when (1) it has a proper release with a proper version number and (2) KNM can use it
[19:18] <rbu> PPA ?
[19:18] <rbu> oh, ok
[19:19] <asac> PPA == personal package archive
[19:19] <rbu> well, last time i compiled it (like 2 months ago?) it was broken. since then i have not seen any updates on the KNM mailing list, so i assumed it wa still broken :-)
[19:20] <rbu> asac: how is your experience with the 0.7 branch? and what are your intents?
[19:21] <rbu> am i the only one who thinks some people updating 0.7 SRPMS and not doing any releases is broken by design?
[19:23] <asac> rbu, thats true
[19:23] <asac> rbu, point is that upstream has really low resources (basically just 1 man show)
[19:24] <asac> rbu, i will upload NM 0.7 to intrepid any day soon as we need 3g support
[19:24] <asac> rbu, you could use our snapshots as i try to QA them and fix eventual issues before uploading them
[19:26] <armin76> asac: so is the safebrowsing thing related someway to sqlite?
[19:27] <rbu> asac: well, low resources really is not an excuse. it's not hard to make a tarball, and put a name onto it. and the guys are maintaining the thing in
[19:28] <rbu> their distributions anyway, so they know which bugs are fixed and which combinations of source and patches work ok
[19:28] <asac> rbu, right. did you install fedora recently?
[19:28] <rbu> asac: nope. why are you asking?
[19:28] <rbu> i really only install either gentoo or debian these days
[19:29] <asac> i tested it and NM really sucks. so they are not really having better snapshots then we
[19:29] <asac> do
[19:29] <armin76> lol
[19:29] <asac> armin76, did you try to downgrade to 3.0 in intrepid?
[19:29] <rbu> asac: how does the whole internationalization aspect look for 0.7? i know that you guys give a lot of emphasis to that
[19:30] <asac> rbu, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/main.eni
[19:30] <rbu> asac: last time i checked fedora 9 did not even contain the KNM either.. were you able to test it on there?
[19:30] <asac> thats the branch i use to base our packages on. i regularly sync it with upstream, then stabilize things a bit
[19:30] <asac> i never push there until i release to PPA
[19:30] <asac> rbu, no ... didnt test knetworkmanger on fedora. i just saw it working on ubuntu from the PPA
[19:31] <asac> rbu, we dont look at internationalization right now. once nm 0.7 enters the archive our translators will start to fill the missing translations in
[19:31] <rbu> asac: ah, i see.
[19:32] <rbu> asac: so basically you would like to use that ~asac/network-manager/main.eni as a stable branch?
[19:32] <asac> however, the applet wil get a major rework. there will be a 3g wizard landing soon
[19:32] <asac> rbu, stabilized ... not really stable
[19:33] <rbu> asac: speaking of the applet. i was a little sad to see none of the ubuntu work you guys did merged back into the trunk
[19:33] <rbu> i saw that 0.6 applet once and it's so cool
[19:33] <asac> rbu, which parts are you referring to?
[19:33] <rbu> the manual network configuration
[19:33] <asac> rbu, oh. thats not network-manager
[19:33] <asac> thats gnome
[19:33] <asac> gnome network-admin
[19:34] <asac> we will drop it once 0.7 goes online
[19:34] <asac> its a real pain to maintain
[19:34] <rbu> asac: but that was somehow integrated into the nm-applet, no?
[19:34] <armin76> asac: uh...wait a sec
[19:34] <asac> yes. its just a single menu entry
[19:34] <asac> but since its not really existing everywhere you couldnt really put it into main svn
[19:34] <asac> we also have major user confusion due to that feature
[19:35] <asac> once you confiugre your wireless there it will be blacklisted from NM ... which makes users wonder whats going on
[19:35] <armin76> asac: user_pref("browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled", false) <- i've removed this pref i added with safebrowsing.enabled, and now it sigbused
[19:35] <asac> armin76, ok. so it was always broken :/
[19:36] <rbu> asac: so what are your plans with that bzr archive? you are quite close to trunk right now, and you want to stabilize it for the 8.10 release?
[19:36] <rbu> and after that, it would only get bugfixes?
[19:37] <asac> rbu, we will track upstream as long as possible during 8.10 development cycle
[19:37] <rbu> asac: but after that freeze
[19:37] <rbu> will you create a new branch and do the same for 9.04 again?
[19:37] <asac> when it becomes obvious that upstream wont make a final or beta 0.7 in time we will start to freeze
[19:37] <asac> rbu, most likely that branch will continue to be synched
[19:38] <armin76> asac: how do i downgrade to 3.0 on intrepid? :P
[19:38] <asac> i will branch a stable branch for 8.10 when we freeze
[19:38] <rbu> ahh, ok
[19:38] <asac> s/most likely//
[19:38] <asac> armin76, let me see
[19:40] <asac> armin76, apt-get install firefox=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-gnome-support=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-3.0=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-3.0-gnome-support=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9-dev=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[19:40] <asac> remove gnome-support bits if you dont have that
[19:41] <armin76> yuck
[19:41] <rbu> asac: ok, here's the deal: i would like to see a working NM in gentoo testing rather sooner than later, but only if it does not contain huge feature regressions
[19:42] <rbu> asac: i'd be happy if we could join forces as far as stabling / testing on a branch go
[19:42] <rbu> there's only one problem: i don't have bzr installed :-P
[19:43] <asac> rbu, gentoo has bzr?
[19:43] <asac> or not at all?
[19:43] <rbu> asac: yeah, we have that thing
[19:43] <asac> would it a problem to emerge that?
[19:44] <asac> the command lines are really straight forward, so nothing really to learn for users that have used svn or cvs
[19:44] <rbu> no, it wouldn't. that statement was more like: "ubuntu are the only people using that thing.. so we can't cooperate"
[19:45] <asac> rbu, its now a main thing for savannah
[19:45] <rbu> asac: i think our infra team is more on the git side... but i guess it doesn't matter in the end
[19:45] <armin76> E: Version '3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2' for 'firefox-3.0' was not found
[19:45] <armin76> same for firefox
[19:45] <asac> rbu, do you need auto synchs?
[19:46] <asac> sorry for my ignorance how gentoo maintains their packages
[19:46] <asac> armin76, too bad. you can grab the debs from launchpad directly
[19:46] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633450
[19:46] <rbu> asac: not a problem.. i don't know details of your stuff either :-)
[19:47] <asac> or amd: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633448
[19:47] <asac> rbu, if you just need tarballs exported i dont see that its a big problem
[19:47] <rbu> asac: i don't have a clear idea of what auto-sync would be... can you give me some more detail?
[19:47] <asac> auto-sync means that the sources you provide to users are automatically updated from upstream
[19:47] <asac> i doubt that you do that
[19:48] <asac> how do you release things?
[19:48] <asac> tarball?
[19:48] <asac> and packaging data in CVS?
[19:49] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633410
[19:49] <asac> stupid me-
[19:49] <asac> you want sparc ;)
[19:49] <asac> my brains memory is really volatile
[19:49] <asac> ok sparc firefox: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633414
[19:50] <asac> and xul: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633454
[19:50] <asac> armin76, ^^
[19:50] <asac> rbu, are you german?
[19:51] <armin76> yup
[19:53] <armin76> asac: yes, we can provide users the files directly from upstream if those are repos
[19:53] <armin76> svn, cvs, git, i think bzr as well
[19:53] <asac> armin76, ugh. so you say: emerge NM0.7 and you would get the bzr branch we have + the packaging?
[19:53] <asac> or do you checkout by tag?
[19:54] <armin76> you can checkout by tag, yes
[19:54] <asac> armin76, not bad. and the packaging?
[19:54] <rbu> sorry, i was in another shell for a moment
[19:54] <armin76> or you could do an snapshot, obviously
[19:54] <asac> no prob
[19:54] <rbu> armin76: we CAN provide svn directly, but i would opt not to
[19:54] <armin76> bumb!
[19:54] <asac> armin76, but for the "stable" rolling head you always use tarballs?
[19:55] <rbu> asac: so the way it would work is i make a tarball, and push that to users with a cvs commit to our tree
[19:55] <asac> rbu, right. thats simple
[19:55] <rbu> asac: live sources should always be "disabled" by default
[19:55]  * armin76 nods
[19:55] <rbu> asac: yeah, i'm in berlin
[19:56] <asac> ok. so you provide a tarball and in addition provide arbitrary VCS references so users can use "live-sources"
[19:56] <asac> rbu, does the version need to be encoded in the tarball?
[19:56] <rbu> asac: it should be, yes
[19:57] <asac> how would a snapshot tarball be encoded, like: network-manager-0.7+svn7777.tar.gz?
[19:57] <armin76> asac: and he's german
[19:57] <asac> rbu, it should or it has to be
[19:57] <asac> rbu, wilkommen ;) ... berliner ... ick bin ein hamburger ;)
[19:57] <rbu> asac: users installing their own current checkout of the snapshot is not something i support (as in: put energy into)
[19:58] <rbu> asac: should=QA says it must, but some people commit otherwise in disregard of policy. there's no technical means to enforce it
[19:58] <asac> rbu, ok. so its not a technical requirement to match the version (as we have in ubuntu=)
[19:59] <rbu> asac: nope. as for version names, it's rather a matter of taste, but networkmanager-0.7_p20080728.tar.gz  is what i would like best :-P
[20:00] <armin76> is 0.7 released?
[20:00] <rbu> _pre
[20:00] <rbu> instead of _p
[20:00] <armin76> ah :)
[20:00] <armin76> fail
[20:00] <rbu> armin76: nitpick
[20:00] <armin76> :D
[20:00] <rbu> asac: juten tach na' hamburch!
[20:00] <armin76> asac: 3.0 doesn't seem to sigbus with malware or safeb enabled
[20:01] <asac> rbu, hehe
[20:01] <asac> like we would talk that way there ;)
[20:01] <asac> bzr export --format=tgz --root=network-manager/ /tmp/network-manager-0.7-bzrshot.tar.gz https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/main.eni/
[20:01] <asac> if you want to export
[20:02] <asac> armin76, thats strange strange
[20:02] <asac> armin76, so does libxul.so link against system sqlite? can you check with ldd?
[20:03] <rbu> asac: i guess i'll just have a look at how bzr works, and how the code you have there looks.. and then i'll come back with comments and maybe additional wishes
[20:03] <armin76> asac: oops, it sigbused
[20:03] <asac> rbu, right. let me know
[20:03] <rbu> asac: one thing though... what about the vpn plugins?
[20:03] <asac> rbu, i am this week in canada on mozilla summit. so sorry if not responsive from time to time
[20:03] <rbu> they are all in the bzr, do you package them?
[20:03] <asac> rbu, upstream fixed pptp and vpnc should work now
[20:03] <asac> we didnt do any packages, but thats the next i am doing
[20:04] <rbu> ok, cool
[20:04] <asac> i think i have to bump the bzr tree one more time
[20:04] <asac> to get all the latest pptp fixes
[20:04] <fta> Segmentation fault
[20:04] <asac> Sigbus
[20:05] <asac> fta, what segfaults for you now? you probably are not on sparc ;)
[20:05] <fta> the crash /w flash are back :(
[20:05] <fta> es
[20:05] <asac> fta, right. i have the fix in my ppa ;)
[20:05] <asac> we use nspluginwrapper everywere now
[20:06] <asac> so just install nspluginwrapper from my ppa and then --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[20:06] <asac> that should do the trick
[20:07] <fta> nspluginwrapper is sucking my cpu on my laptop/amd64
[20:07] <asac> fta, that just means that flash is sucking it
[20:07] <asac> its just that npviewer is the process where flash goes mad
[20:08] <asac> fta, I'd suggest flashblock extensions
[20:11] <fta> no, open fresh ff (no session), visit a page with flash, close the tab, nspluginwrapper remains forever at ~50% cpu
[20:22] <armin76> asac: 3.0 doesn't sigbus with safebrowsing.malware disabled
[20:23] <asac> fta, ok. thats the issue that causes crashes in non-nspluginwarpper case most likely
[20:24] <asac> libflashsupport deadlocks so the flash doesnt shut down
[20:24] <asac> even though the window was destructed
[20:25] <asac> ok ... i am going down to smoke a cigarette. bbiw
[20:35] <armin76> asac: hrm...meh, not sure why it sigbuses...fyi disabling malware stuff is a workaround, but now i compiled 3.0 using system sqlite-3.5.6 and sigbused as well...
[20:35] <armin76> i'm trying with included sqlite, we'll see
[21:27] <asac> armin76, i think its not sqlite, but the classifier code itself
[21:38] <asac> armin76, didnt we have sigbusses in reinterpret casts on sparc at some point?
[21:38] <asac> or was it compiler warning/errors?
[21:40]  * asac signing: "when will my system come back up again ... oh when, oh when, oh when" :(
[21:41] <asac> s/signing/singing/
[21:47] <asac> @time Berlin
[21:53] <armin76> asac: the latter
[21:54] <armin76> thats interesting..
[21:55] <armin76> 3.0 sigbuses as well no matter what i do
[21:55] <armin76> well, it doesn't if i disable the safebrowsing stuff
[21:56] <asac> yeah. the code is just broken
[21:56] <armin76> why? :)
[21:57] <asac> armin76, what address does str.BeginReading() point to?
[21:57] <armin76> uh, and how should i know that? :
[21:57] <asac> armin76, go for debugger
[21:57] <asac> with -O0 -g
[21:57] <asac> ?
[21:58] <armin76> okay, rebuilding
[21:59] <asac> armin76, damn i hate xchat ... just wiped this channels backlog :(
[21:59] <asac> anyway. start=9
[21:59] <asac> that lookd unaligned
[21:59] <asac> so str.BeginReading() probably points to unaligned thing
[22:00] <asac> maybe you need to manually assemble the 32bit int there?
[22:01] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ firefox
[22:01] <fta> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[22:01] <fta> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[22:01] <fta> damn
[22:01] <asac> at least it uses alsa now
[22:01] <fta> but my whole system is supposed to use p-a
[22:01] <fta> so no sound in ff3 :(
[22:01] <asac> fta, flash is supposed to use alsa with pulse plugin
[22:02] <asac> most likely your alsa doest have pulse plugin properly setup
[22:02] <asac> flash 10 can do that now. so it should work :/
[22:02] <fta> it used to work.. something changed in the last 3-4 weeks
[22:02] <asac> kernel?
[22:02] <asac> my sound is completely broken in 2.6.26
[22:03] <asac> i only have sound when booting into 2.6.24
[22:03] <crimsun> bug report?
[22:03] <fta> i just had to blacklist snd_pcsp
[22:03] <crimsun> luke is working on a pulseaudio patch for the snd-pcsp issue
[22:03] <asac> crimsun, if its not known ill file one once getting back home
[22:04] <asac> crimsun, that sounds like it
[22:04] <asac> sound works somewhat when directly going through alsa
[22:04] <asac> but not through pulse (only the beeper makes some noise)
[22:04] <crimsun> it's pretty trivial; just ignore the pc speaker as a sink/source when parsing hal info
[22:05] <asac> crimsun, would that make the behaviour like above (e.g. only beeps, but no speakers)?
[22:05] <crimsun> correct.
[22:05] <asac> good. then my issue is covered
[22:05] <asac> crimsun, do you know if we properly setup the pulse plugin for alsa now by default?
[22:05] <asac> (for flash 10)
[22:05] <fta> ff3 is fighting with mplayer for the sound :(
[22:05] <fta> bad
[22:07] <crimsun> asac: if luke or another core-dev hasn't merged my alsa-lib branch, then, no...
[22:07] <crimsun> meaning "no, I don't know, but if my branch hasn't been merged, then it is not properly configured"
[22:07] <asac> crimsun, where is that branch?
[22:08] <asac> i think that luke doesnt even know that there is an issue
[22:08] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new ?
[22:09] <asac> crimsun, i assume that the ~ubuntu-core-dev branch is what is currently released, right?
[22:09] <asac> so its basically just pushing your branch to -core-dev and uploading?
[22:10] <asac> if thats the case ill take care for that
[22:10] <asac> btw, why is it called "ubuntu.new"?
[22:10] <crimsun> asac: that's my branch; I haven't inspected ~ubuntu-core-dev lately to check for additional necessary merges
[22:10] <asac> fta, can you try crimsun's alsa-lib branch?
[22:11] <asac> crimsun, i think rev 8 matches (at least from the commit log)
[22:11] <asac> so its just your revision 9
[22:11] <crimsun> asac: it's called that due to /ubuntu being a "misbranch"
[22:11] <asac> he?
[22:11] <asac> fta, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new
[22:11] <crimsun> I believe back when I created /ubuntu, I attempted to dump the entire source tree + /debian into it
[22:12] <asac> fta, i think that should fix it for you
[22:12] <crimsun> I'm not entirely clear if, during that branch creation, my connection died, and as a result, the branch was messed up
[22:12] <asac> crimsun, ok
[22:13] <asac> crimsun, you could do bzr push --overwrite
[22:13] <asac> anyway not really important ;)
[22:13] <crimsun> last I tried that, it failed horribly
[22:14] <asac> crimsun, ok. lets keep it that way then ;)
[22:15] <asac> crimsun, weren't you core-dev once?
[22:15] <crimsun> yes, I stepped down.
[22:16] <asac> ok
[22:16] <asac> "expired" according to +members
[22:17] <asac> @time sydney
[22:17] <asac> ok i ll talk to luke in an hour or so
[22:18] <fta> grr, why do i have to install libc6-dev-amd64 in order to build alsa-lib on i386
[22:18] <crimsun> because it's multilib.
[22:18] <crimsun> think 32-bit
[22:18] <fta> yeah, i can see that
[22:18] <fta> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libc6-dev-amd64 gcc-multilib
[22:19] <asac> @time vancouver
[22:33] <asac> armin76, so try to push the value to aligned mem before casting to int32?
[22:33]  * asac feels unknowning
[22:35] <asac> armin76, you think you can do that?
[22:48] <asac> armin76, try http://paste.ubuntu.com/31475/
[22:48] <asac> or fix eventual compiler issues
[22:49] <asac> fta, did the branch help?
[22:49] <asac> @time berlin
[22:50] <asac> armin76, if it works, let me know so we can include and upstream it.
[22:54]  * asac goes down to smoke more
[22:59] <fta> asac, yep, better.
[22:59] <asac> fta, good crack ;)
[23:00] <asac> ill push that after checking back with themuso
[23:22] <armin76> asac: k, ill try tomorrow, bed now
[23:23] <asac> armin76, bah, sleep is for the weak ;)
[23:23] <asac> sleep well
[23:23] <asac> armin76, maybe start the build now ;)