[00:47] <Jordan_U> I cannot modprobe ath_pci , is it removed now that there is ath5k ( which is not working for me )
[00:47] <Jordan_U> ?
[01:31] <RAOF> Hm.  Kubuntu-Amarok FAIL.
[01:32] <RAOF> Wavpack is a perfectly fine codec, and apev2 is hardly an uncommon tag format.  Kindly support them OOB.
[02:26] <DanaG> argh, hamachi doesn't work.
[06:27] <DanaG> What's with the useless little "monitor with triangular 'square' (drawing tool)" icon in my systray?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> a bug
[06:30] <DanaG> Aah.  What's the expected behavior?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> that it can be remoed.
[06:31] <DanaG> gnome-session-propertiesl
[06:32] <DanaG> eoh...
[06:32] <DanaG> part of gnome-settings-daemon now?
[06:32] <DanaG> Odd... now I see things like 'kicker' in the settings thingy.
[06:34] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Not only that it can be removed; that it defaults to off!
[06:35] <RAOF> I've just leant an interesting synonym for "monkey patching": "duck punching".
[06:35] <DanaG> huh?
[06:35] <DanaG> Oh, and it's not even usable with nvidia... thanks to lack of xrandr 1.2.
[06:36] <Hobbsee> RAOF: that too
[06:37] <RAOF> DanaG: Correct.
[06:37] <RAOF> Man, it'd be awesome if nvidia's dual head implementation didn't suck so much.
[06:38] <DanaG> Random thing: I'm wondering how brightness sensors (like in the HP business laptops) work... are they exposed to the OS?
[06:38] <DanaG> It bugs me that reviews not only don't figure out those sorts of things.... but they don't even consider trying to figure it out.
[06:39] <DanaG> I saw a review of some laptop that said it could run HL2 at highest settings........... but didn't say at what resolution that was. =þ
[06:40] <DanaG> I also keep seeing mention of a kernel driver for the "MDPS" accelerometer.... but it's not in-tree, and its existence seems to be as random threads scattered about on LKML.
[06:52] <DanaG> god damn flash!
[06:52] <G_009> fortunately thats more complicated that the confusing shutdown/logout sequence
[06:52] <DanaG> Excuse the swearing, but Flash is just plain a pain.
[06:52] <DanaG> I have to reload my browser itself after almost every single Flash video.
[06:53] <DanaG> Not just reload the page.... but actually restart the browser.
[06:53]  * DanaG wishes Flash would go DIAF (die in a fire).
[06:55] <DanaG> what the heck?  "This demonstration requires Flash 7 or newer".
[06:55] <G_009> under system you have logout and shutdown options but if i choose shutdown a dialog asks if i want to hybernate, suspend and so on.. i select shutdown again and i only get logged out of user
[06:56] <DanaG> Here's a good test case for FLash: look at some of the "demo" things on here.
[06:56] <DanaG> http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/
[06:57] <G_009> and running man in the corner only gives me a logout option.. make it more intuitive
[06:58] <DanaG> Apparently under Linux, 10 < 7.
[06:58] <DanaG> Hah!
[06:58] <DanaG> Adobe can't do math.
[06:58] <RAOF> G_009: That's a known bug; gnome-session's undergoing a re-write, and our custom-logout stuff is not yet updated.
[06:59] <G_009> good to know.. i was getting worried.. it's being like that for a few days now
[07:01] <DanaG> How do I go back to an older Flash?
[07:01] <DanaG> Flash 9 at least only crashed after 3 pages.... not after EVERY page.
[07:01] <DanaG> And only on close... not RANDOMLY.
[07:01] <DanaG> It also now spams my desktop with windows when flash crashes.
[07:02] <DanaG> I wish we could force Adobe's employers to use Flash as WE use it...
[07:02] <DanaG> then they'd perhaps FIX it.
[07:02] <DanaG> s/ers/ees/
[07:03] <G_009> i get a few FF crashes here and there but compared to your description mine is very stable
[07:04] <DanaG> http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/results.htm?SID=3744212&MEID=A3FDA6CC-702C-46BF-8F69-A8A955FA6134
[07:04] <DanaG> Try that.
[07:05] <G_009> i get your error too.. but didnt crash
[07:06] <G_009> other flash is functional though
[07:07] <DanaG> Where can I reinstall the Flash 9 package?
[07:09] <G_009> am using shockwave flash 10.0.0 d525 with not much issues
[07:11] <DanaG> Oh heck, swfdec-mozilla crashes, too.
[07:41] <DanaG> Is it just me, or does epiphany-webkit not support tabs or even multiple windows?
[07:42] <berbsd> is anyone having issue with sound when playing DVD? Sound  works on my box, but with DVD?!
[07:45] <berbsd> really? no-one?
[07:45] <RAOF> DanaG: I'm pretty sure it supports both tabs and multiple windows.
[07:45] <RAOF> DanaG: It doesn't support remembering passwords, and a bunch of other features though.
[07:46] <DanaG> Perhaps just that Services Media Library site doesn't work with it.
[08:12] <DanaG> Hmm, anybody here know anything about UEFI?
[08:12] <Jordan_U> DanaG, A little, what's your question?
[08:13] <DanaG> I'm curious if it's at all useful.
[08:13] <DanaG> Look around in this BIOS-menu emulator for one of HP's new business laptops.
[08:14] <DanaG> http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/results.htm?SID=3688868&MEID=5C316DB1-6B5B-4C11-9F68-807A3979A6CE
[08:14] <DanaG> One option is "UEFI Boot Mode"
[08:18] <Jordan_U> DanaG, EFI is awesome but I can't think of any features that would be particularly useful over BIOS for an individual machine
[08:19] <RAOF> Jordan_U: The ability to make sure Windows won't boot? :)
[08:19] <Jordan_U> RAOF, Windows actually supports EFI
[08:20] <RAOF> Which one?  XP (not x86-64?)
[08:20] <RAOF> I'm moderately sure that Vista does, though.
[08:21] <Jordan_U> RAOF, I know 2000 server does for itanium
[08:21] <Jordan_U> RAOF, 64 bit Vista does as well ( 32 bit Vista did as well in the Betas IIRC )
[08:23] <DanaG> In the fall, I'll likely get the high-end equivalent of that laptop; I'll mess around with it then.
[08:27] <DanaG> There are some pretty nifty-sounding things in there,
[08:30] <DanaG> The UEFI thing will be interesting to experiment with.
[08:31] <DanaG> I wonder if it actually has any end-user-visible benefits (I don't mean "average" end-user, of course).
[08:32] <RAOF> It can, I believe; it can allow better bootloaders, I think.
[08:32] <DanaG> It also has a "Custom Logo" option; I wonder who sets what the "Custom Logo" is.
[08:33] <DanaG> It'd be cool to be able to set my own.
[08:33] <Jordan_U> DanaG, You can get fancy boot menu's like rEFIt
[08:34] <Jordan_U> DanaG, With rEFIt it reads a .ico ( I think ) file on the root of the partition
[08:34] <DanaG> But this is a BIOS/EFI setup option.
[08:34]  * RAOF wonders idly how easy it'd be to use kwin with Gnome now.
[08:34] <DanaG> Take a look around in that menu emulator.
[08:35] <DanaG> Ooh, that rEFIt looks like awesomeness.
[08:36]  * DanaG wonders how well ATI graphics cards will work under EFI.
[08:37] <DanaG> Probably better than nvidia, actually -- now that ATI is open-sourced.
[08:37] <Jordan_U> DanaG, I think that fglrx depends on BIOS calls :(
[08:37]  * hyperair wonders what laptop he should get
[08:39] <DanaG> Well, if you want to try that thing... that's HP's new EliteBook 6930p.
[08:39] <DanaG> I'm waiting for them to apply the same upgrades to the high-end business laptops.
[08:39] <Jordan_U> I can't get either fglrx or madwifi working ( and haven't had either ever work so far in Intrepid )
[08:40]  * DanaG has Intel 3945 right now.... and notes that it sucks.
[08:41] <DanaG> It has horrible throughput.
[08:41] <DanaG> In fact, my cardbus bcm4306 card actually works far better for things like PulseAudio streaming.
[08:41] <DanaG> s/bcm/BCM/
[08:44] <hyperair> what's wrong with the throughput?
[08:44] <hyperair> what's the max speed you usually get?
[08:45] <DanaG> It's easier to quantify with behavior, such as when streaming PulseAudio.
[08:46] <DanaG> Intel:  play play drop..................................... switches back to onboard.
[08:46] <DanaG> (s/onboard/local/)
[08:46] <DanaG> Broadcom: play play [skip]  play play play play [skip] play play play [skip] play play
[08:47] <DanaG> The Intel reports connection speed of 54 megabits; the Broadcom reports something more like 16 megabits... but perhaps the Intel one is lying?
[08:47] <DanaG> The broadcom one does sometimes report 54, also.
[08:48] <DanaG> Oh, and if I leave rfkill set to "kill" for too long, the driver actually entirely disables the interrupt of the device.
[08:48] <DanaG> On the Intel, that is.
[08:48] <DanaG> Broadcom cardbus card supports an rfkill interface, but of course, has no way to trigger it.
[08:49]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[08:49] <DanaG> Tue Jul 29 00:49:48 PDT 2008
[08:54] <Jordan_U> I can't get either fglrx or madwifi working ( and haven't had either ever work so far in Intrepid )
[09:52] <stefanlsd> can anyone help me trying to make a pbuider environment for intrepid
[09:53] <stefanlsd> ends like this - http://pastebin.com/d3d5301e4  (essentially W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/Release  Unable to find expected entry  restriced/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[09:53] <stefanlsd> thats doing the create
[10:11] <mvo> stefanlsd: is that a typo in "restriced" ?
[10:18] <stefanlsd> mvo: damn. yeah. u got it. thanks. didnt see that
[10:25] <mvo> stefanlsd: the apt error message is not great, np
[11:03] <hachaboob> Is there something special I need to do to get guest access to samba shares working?
[11:05] <RAOF> Anyone know offhand how to make it appear that I'm in the US?
[11:05] <RAOF> Stupid geolocating IP addresses.
[11:26] <gnomefreak> hachaboob: not sure but you might get more help in #ubuntu
[11:26] <hachaboob> gnomefreak: i think i fixed it. unless i uncommented a default setting :)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> hachaboob: is this on Hardy?
[11:27] <hachaboob> gnomefreak: but something has changed from hardy to intrepid
[11:27] <gnomefreak> hachaboob: alot has
[11:29] <hachaboob> gnomefreak: as much as i want to go back to hardy i like to suffer
[11:30] <gnomefreak> hachaboob: i hope you have a separate partition with stable release or windows
[11:30] <hyperair> gnomefreak: why windows
[11:30] <gnomefreak> s/i hope/you will hope
[11:30] <hyperair> hachaboob: you masochist you
[11:30] <hachaboob> gnomefreak: no. i have my data on a separate partition and reinstall doesnt take too long so...
[11:30] <gnomefreak> hyperair: i asked for either. you can get help from a windows pc for Ubuntu
[11:31] <hyperair> that's what the livecd is for
[11:37] <hyperair> either way windows isn't exactly the most stable thing in the world. if i wanted to torture myself with windows, i'd use intrepid
[11:43] <gnomefreak> hyperair: it makes his PC usable if intrepid breaks really bad
[11:43]  * gnomefreak doesnt care what other OS he uses but intrepid should not be only OS he has
[11:43] <hyperair> lol alright
[16:06] <untermensch> when does 8.10 go into beta?
[16:13] <geser> !schedule
[16:14] <geser> untermensch: see the schedule ^^
[16:14] <untermensch> lol ty
[16:59] <teoti> Hello all.
[17:00] <teoti> Anyone here have any luck with dual monitors yet?
[17:47] <cypherdelic> Gr33t5!
[18:23] <stmartin> I press Alt+Shift and my LED of Scroll Lock lights up. I tried in System --> Preferences --> Keyboard ---> Layout ---> Layout Options, I decheck ScrollLock LED shows alternative layout. Also I decheck Alt+Shift change layout, and when I click Close, the options are the same as before.
[18:24] <stmartin> any help, please?
[18:26] <Pici> stmartin: Is this in Intrepid?
[18:28] <stmartin> yes :)
[18:29] <stmartin> Pici: can u pls reproduce the prob. ?
[18:29] <Pici> stmartin: Actually, I only have ssh access here, sorry.
[18:30] <stmartin> what is ssh access?
[18:31] <Pici> !ssh
[18:33] <stmartin> kk, thanks anyway
[18:37] <teoti> Anyone here have any luck with dual monitors yet?
[19:26] <gnumm> will kubuntu 8.10 have kde4.1.2?
[19:32] <wastrel> a stitch in time saves 9
[19:35] <Dedi> ah now the most files are in the intrepid repos
[19:35] <Dedi> kde4.1
[19:56] <_21h_> hi. i'm want to test new alpha. upgrade from 8.04 may cause some problems?
[19:58] <aguitel> _21h_, burn your pc (only)
[19:58] <_21h_> thanks, but i dont have gasoline (:
[19:59] <aguitel> _21h_, tell to saudi arab people
[19:59] <_21h_> ))))
[20:00] <_21h_> если бы ты говорил на русском, ты бы понял, что я тебя послал нахуй :)
[20:00] <aguitel> _21h_, i make clean install with alpha 3 and works fine
[20:00] <_21h_> clean install is not linux way )
[20:01] <Dedi> _21h_: boot from a live cd, make with partimage a backup of the whole partition, and then upgrade your current install
[20:01] <_21h_> mmm....
[20:01] <_21h_> cp to backup server
[20:01] <_21h_> and upgrade
[20:02] <_21h_> its faster
[20:18] <askand> Anyone knows the reason settings and administration menu has switched places?
[20:46] <DanaG> askand: alacarte can fix it.
[20:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, faubackup is one thing you can use to back stuff up; just remember to use --one-filesystem
[20:49] <askand> DanaG: yea I know that :) was just curious what the reason was..doesnt seem to follow the "if its not broken, dont fix it" philosophy
[21:02] <phaverkamp> Anyone found a fix for getting Alpha 3 working in a Virtualbox VM?
[21:15] <aguitel> anyone know why aptitude is not installed in alpha3 ?