[00:47] I cannot modprobe ath_pci , is it removed now that there is ath5k ( which is not working for me ) [00:47] ? [01:31] Hm. Kubuntu-Amarok FAIL. [01:32] Wavpack is a perfectly fine codec, and apev2 is hardly an uncommon tag format. Kindly support them OOB. [02:26] argh, hamachi doesn't work. [06:27] What's with the useless little "monitor with triangular 'square' (drawing tool)" icon in my systray? [06:28] a bug [06:30] Aah. What's the expected behavior? [06:30] that it can be remoed. [06:31] gnome-session-propertiesl [06:32] eoh... [06:32] part of gnome-settings-daemon now? [06:32] Odd... now I see things like 'kicker' in the settings thingy. [06:34] Hobbsee: Not only that it can be removed; that it defaults to off! [06:35] I've just leant an interesting synonym for "monkey patching": "duck punching". [06:35] huh? [06:35] Oh, and it's not even usable with nvidia... thanks to lack of xrandr 1.2. [06:36] RAOF: that too [06:37] DanaG: Correct. [06:37] Man, it'd be awesome if nvidia's dual head implementation didn't suck so much. [06:38] Random thing: I'm wondering how brightness sensors (like in the HP business laptops) work... are they exposed to the OS? [06:38] It bugs me that reviews not only don't figure out those sorts of things.... but they don't even consider trying to figure it out. [06:39] I saw a review of some laptop that said it could run HL2 at highest settings........... but didn't say at what resolution that was. =þ [06:40] I also keep seeing mention of a kernel driver for the "MDPS" accelerometer.... but it's not in-tree, and its existence seems to be as random threads scattered about on LKML. [06:52] god damn flash! [06:52] fortunately thats more complicated that the confusing shutdown/logout sequence [06:52] Excuse the swearing, but Flash is just plain a pain. [06:52] I have to reload my browser itself after almost every single Flash video. [06:53] Not just reload the page.... but actually restart the browser. [06:53] * DanaG wishes Flash would go DIAF (die in a fire). [06:55] what the heck? "This demonstration requires Flash 7 or newer". [06:55] under system you have logout and shutdown options but if i choose shutdown a dialog asks if i want to hybernate, suspend and so on.. i select shutdown again and i only get logged out of user [06:56] Here's a good test case for FLash: look at some of the "demo" things on here. [06:56] http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/ [06:57] and running man in the corner only gives me a logout option.. make it more intuitive [06:58] Apparently under Linux, 10 < 7. [06:58] Hah! [06:58] Adobe can't do math. [06:58] G_009: That's a known bug; gnome-session's undergoing a re-write, and our custom-logout stuff is not yet updated. [06:59] good to know.. i was getting worried.. it's being like that for a few days now [07:01] How do I go back to an older Flash? [07:01] Flash 9 at least only crashed after 3 pages.... not after EVERY page. [07:01] And only on close... not RANDOMLY. [07:01] It also now spams my desktop with windows when flash crashes. [07:02] I wish we could force Adobe's employers to use Flash as WE use it... [07:02] then they'd perhaps FIX it. [07:02] s/ers/ees/ [07:03] i get a few FF crashes here and there but compared to your description mine is very stable [07:04] http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/results.htm?SID=3744212&MEID=A3FDA6CC-702C-46BF-8F69-A8A955FA6134 [07:04] Try that. [07:05] i get your error too.. but didnt crash [07:06] other flash is functional though [07:07] Where can I reinstall the Flash 9 package? [07:09] am using shockwave flash 10.0.0 d525 with not much issues [07:11] Oh heck, swfdec-mozilla crashes, too. === david is now known as Guest1212 [07:41] Is it just me, or does epiphany-webkit not support tabs or even multiple windows? === Guest1212 is now known as berbsd [07:42] is anyone having issue with sound when playing DVD? Sound works on my box, but with DVD?! [07:45] really? no-one? [07:45] DanaG: I'm pretty sure it supports both tabs and multiple windows. [07:45] DanaG: It doesn't support remembering passwords, and a bunch of other features though. [07:46] Perhaps just that Services Media Library site doesn't work with it. [08:12] Hmm, anybody here know anything about UEFI? [08:12] DanaG, A little, what's your question? [08:13] I'm curious if it's at all useful. [08:13] Look around in this BIOS-menu emulator for one of HP's new business laptops. [08:14] http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/results.htm?SID=3688868&MEID=5C316DB1-6B5B-4C11-9F68-807A3979A6CE [08:14] One option is "UEFI Boot Mode" [08:18] DanaG, EFI is awesome but I can't think of any features that would be particularly useful over BIOS for an individual machine [08:19] Jordan_U: The ability to make sure Windows won't boot? :) [08:19] RAOF, Windows actually supports EFI [08:20] Which one? XP (not x86-64?) [08:20] I'm moderately sure that Vista does, though. [08:21] RAOF, I know 2000 server does for itanium [08:21] RAOF, 64 bit Vista does as well ( 32 bit Vista did as well in the Betas IIRC ) [08:23] In the fall, I'll likely get the high-end equivalent of that laptop; I'll mess around with it then. [08:27] There are some pretty nifty-sounding things in there, [08:30] The UEFI thing will be interesting to experiment with. [08:31] I wonder if it actually has any end-user-visible benefits (I don't mean "average" end-user, of course). [08:32] It can, I believe; it can allow better bootloaders, I think. [08:32] It also has a "Custom Logo" option; I wonder who sets what the "Custom Logo" is. [08:33] It'd be cool to be able to set my own. [08:33] DanaG, You can get fancy boot menu's like rEFIt [08:34] DanaG, With rEFIt it reads a .ico ( I think ) file on the root of the partition [08:34] But this is a BIOS/EFI setup option. [08:34] * RAOF wonders idly how easy it'd be to use kwin with Gnome now. [08:34] Take a look around in that menu emulator. [08:35] Ooh, that rEFIt looks like awesomeness. [08:36] * DanaG wonders how well ATI graphics cards will work under EFI. [08:37] Probably better than nvidia, actually -- now that ATI is open-sourced. [08:37] DanaG, I think that fglrx depends on BIOS calls :( [08:37] * hyperair wonders what laptop he should get [08:39] Well, if you want to try that thing... that's HP's new EliteBook 6930p. [08:39] I'm waiting for them to apply the same upgrades to the high-end business laptops. [08:39] I can't get either fglrx or madwifi working ( and haven't had either ever work so far in Intrepid ) [08:40] * DanaG has Intel 3945 right now.... and notes that it sucks. [08:41] It has horrible throughput. [08:41] In fact, my cardbus bcm4306 card actually works far better for things like PulseAudio streaming. [08:41] s/bcm/BCM/ [08:44] what's wrong with the throughput? [08:44] what's the max speed you usually get? [08:45] It's easier to quantify with behavior, such as when streaming PulseAudio. [08:46] Intel: play play drop..................................... switches back to onboard. [08:46] (s/onboard/local/) [08:46] Broadcom: play play [skip] play play play play [skip] play play play [skip] play play [08:47] The Intel reports connection speed of 54 megabits; the Broadcom reports something more like 16 megabits... but perhaps the Intel one is lying? [08:47] The broadcom one does sometimes report 54, also. [08:48] Oh, and if I leave rfkill set to "kill" for too long, the driver actually entirely disables the interrupt of the device. [08:48] On the Intel, that is. [08:48] Broadcom cardbus card supports an rfkill interface, but of course, has no way to trigger it. [08:49] * DanaG goes off to bed. [08:49] Tue Jul 29 00:49:48 PDT 2008 [08:54] I can't get either fglrx or madwifi working ( and haven't had either ever work so far in Intrepid ) [09:52] can anyone help me trying to make a pbuider environment for intrepid [09:53] ends like this - http://pastebin.com/d3d5301e4 (essentially W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/Release Unable to find expected entry restriced/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) [09:53] thats doing the create [10:11] stefanlsd: is that a typo in "restriced" ? [10:18] mvo: damn. yeah. u got it. thanks. didnt see that [10:25] stefanlsd: the apt error message is not great, np [11:03] Is there something special I need to do to get guest access to samba shares working? [11:05] Anyone know offhand how to make it appear that I'm in the US? [11:05] Stupid geolocating IP addresses. [11:26] hachaboob: not sure but you might get more help in #ubuntu [11:26] gnomefreak: i think i fixed it. unless i uncommented a default setting :) [11:27] hachaboob: is this on Hardy? [11:27] gnomefreak: but something has changed from hardy to intrepid [11:27] hachaboob: alot has [11:29] gnomefreak: as much as i want to go back to hardy i like to suffer [11:30] hachaboob: i hope you have a separate partition with stable release or windows [11:30] gnomefreak: why windows [11:30] s/i hope/you will hope [11:30] hachaboob: you masochist you [11:30] gnomefreak: no. i have my data on a separate partition and reinstall doesnt take too long so... [11:30] hyperair: i asked for either. you can get help from a windows pc for Ubuntu [11:31] that's what the livecd is for [11:37] either way windows isn't exactly the most stable thing in the world. if i wanted to torture myself with windows, i'd use intrepid [11:43] hyperair: it makes his PC usable if intrepid breaks really bad [11:43] * gnomefreak doesnt care what other OS he uses but intrepid should not be only OS he has [11:43] lol alright [16:06] when does 8.10 go into beta? [16:13] !schedule [16:13] A schedule of Intrepid Ibex (8.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule [16:14] untermensch: see the schedule ^^ [16:14] lol ty === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [16:59] Hello all. [17:00] Anyone here have any luck with dual monitors yet? [17:47] Gr33t5! [18:23] I press Alt+Shift and my LED of Scroll Lock lights up. I tried in System --> Preferences --> Keyboard ---> Layout ---> Layout Options, I decheck ScrollLock LED shows alternative layout. Also I decheck Alt+Shift change layout, and when I click Close, the options are the same as before. [18:24] any help, please? [18:26] stmartin: Is this in Intrepid? [18:28] yes :) [18:29] Pici: can u pls reproduce the prob. ? [18:29] stmartin: Actually, I only have ssh access here, sorry. [18:30] what is ssh access? [18:31] !ssh [18:31] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [18:33] kk, thanks anyway [18:37] Anyone here have any luck with dual monitors yet? === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [19:26] will kubuntu 8.10 have kde4.1.2? [19:32] a stitch in time saves 9 [19:35] ah now the most files are in the intrepid repos [19:35] kde4.1 [19:56] <_21h_> hi. i'm want to test new alpha. upgrade from 8.04 may cause some problems? [19:58] _21h_, burn your pc (only) [19:58] <_21h_> thanks, but i dont have gasoline (: [19:59] _21h_, tell to saudi arab people [19:59] <_21h_> )))) [20:00] <_21h_> если бы ты говорил на русском, ты бы понял, что я тебя послал нахуй :) [20:00] _21h_, i make clean install with alpha 3 and works fine [20:00] <_21h_> clean install is not linux way ) [20:01] _21h_: boot from a live cd, make with partimage a backup of the whole partition, and then upgrade your current install [20:01] <_21h_> mmm.... [20:01] <_21h_> cp to backup server [20:01] <_21h_> and upgrade [20:02] <_21h_> its faster [20:18] Anyone knows the reason settings and administration menu has switched places? [20:46] askand: alacarte can fix it. [20:47] Oh yeah, faubackup is one thing you can use to back stuff up; just remember to use --one-filesystem [20:49] DanaG: yea I know that :) was just curious what the reason was..doesnt seem to follow the "if its not broken, dont fix it" philosophy [21:02] Anyone found a fix for getting Alpha 3 working in a Virtualbox VM? === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity [21:15] anyone know why aptitude is not installed in alpha3 ? === energY_ is now known as energY === energY is now known as cybersec === cybersec is now known as energY === LSD|Ninj2 is now known as LSD|Ninja === Noob`Ubuntu is now known as k|llsw|tch