[13:10] <baali> hey can we get customized ubuntu distro???
[13:10] <baali> with only packages which we want and they are auto installable....
[13:14] <jussi01> baali: this isnt a support channel
[13:14] <jussi01> !minimal
[13:14] <jussi01> baali: for further questions please go t #ubuntu
[13:15] <baali> ok thanx
[13:15] <baali> sorry for bothering
[15:22] <jpds> Daviey: Can you please tell me what you think of -uk guy?
[15:26] <jpds> Never mind.
[16:17] <Daviey> jpds: which one? :)
[16:18] <jpds> zbra..
[16:18] <Daviey> looks vocal..
[16:19] <jpds> I did !ohmy > on him.
[16:19] <Daviey> Was he the chap raving about Vista the other week?
[16:19] <jpds> Dunno.
[16:21] <Daviey> reading scrollback.. looks like it
[16:21] <Daviey> Vista prints (and shares) fine.. ubuntu + CUPS + samba = fail is the summary
[17:48] <cypherdelic> Gr33t5!
[18:14] <cypherdelic> I got a question: Am I right, that i can take any Distrigution of GNU/Linux, modify it, give it my own name and spread it and the source, even if i just adjust themeset??
[18:14] <nalioth> cypherdelic: go for it
[18:15] <cypherdelic> what if the user install it, and its just ubuntu in real, what about trademarks?
[18:16] <cypherdelic> I tried http://usasearch.gov/search?v%3Aproject=firstgov&v%3Aframe=form&frontpage=1&emptyquery=1&affiliate=uspto.gov
[18:16] <cypherdelic> to find out if the name i would like is free
[18:17] <cypherdelic> so, just go for it?
[18:17] <Pici> cypherdelic: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[18:17] <cypherdelic> go is a huge thing, you know
[18:18] <cypherdelic> websites and so on
[18:18] <cypherdelic> Pici: thanks
[18:20] <cypherdelic> Pici: I dont know if i got that right on that page. does the name has to iclude -buntu?
[18:21] <cypherdelic> or can i name it to xyz and when user sees ubuntu next step, it's clear
[18:21] <jpds> cypherdelic: You may wish to visit: #ubuntu-derivative
[18:21] <cypherdelic> is that wrong or right.
[18:22] <cypherdelic> jpds: thanks
[18:22] <nalioth> cypherdelic: part of what you'd do is find-and-replace all trademarked names
[18:23] <cypherdelic> so i have to remove ubuntu??? now im totally confused :)
[18:28] <cypherdelic> Pici and all: Im sorry guys I-RTFM on that side, got it.
[18:30] <cypherdelic> hm
[18:31] <cypherdelic> so what i wanna do does require a remove of the ubuntu trademark
[18:34] <cypherdelic> i assume that is a very large thing
[18:34] <cypherdelic> lol Can you please offer a script that removes all trademarks from the ubuntu source? lol
[18:36] <Pici> cypherdelic: #ubuntu-derivative might be able to help you
[18:36] <cypherdelic> that channel in in deep sleep :D
[18:36] <cypherdelic> ok im off here
[18:36] <Pici> Patience.
[18:37] <jpds> Welcome to Idle Relay Chat.
[18:37] <cypherdelic> thanks and good bye
[18:40] <cypherdelic> i dont think there exist something like a trademark remove from source script for ubuntu. this is the sense of the trademark police, not to make ubuntu-community-effort to be undetected by the user, and otherways any deep chang or third party requires to fit trademark policy
[18:41] <cypherdelic> so no way to make a state of the art OS that asks users at installation for java,flash,divx, etc.
[18:42] <jpds> No, those things are 1) Non-free 2) Have licenses with do not allow redistrubition.
[18:42] <cypherdelic> For a windows-switching-user, the hardest thing today is to get familiar with package/installation in gnu/linux
[18:43] <cypherdelic> part on the other hand it's the most annoying thing to have those basics not installed
[18:44] <jpds> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:44] <jpds> It's as easy as installing that package.
[18:44] <cypherdelic> jpds: 1 thats it 2) i know, but anyways why dont ask the USER at installation if he wants or not, so make it a CAN-BE fully OS???
[18:45] <cypherdelic> CAN-BE-FULLY-FREE i mean
[18:45] <cypherdelic> or make a new installation step
[18:46] <cypherdelic> in which the user can can install common basic third party?
[18:47] <cypherdelic> i have seen many guys using linux for some days or if it comes up some weeks and than giving up, because there brain is not ready to install those things. i showed them synaptic
[18:48] <jpds> I think the Ubuntu team would prefer to promote Free and Open source software.
[18:48] <jpds> If not, we have utilities like Jockey and the restricted-extras
[18:49] <cypherdelic> yes you know me know
[18:49] <cypherdelic> no matter for whom i install
[18:49] <cypherdelic> i ask them, and then i always search synaptic for extras, restricted, ugly, bad and unfree
[18:50] <cypherdelic> then i say: look the installation is running, sit down and agree licence agreements
[18:51] <cypherdelic> they say: oh yes, java, of course, flash of course, etc
[18:52] <cypherdelic> i just want to say, that i personally think, this is the most annoying thing to grow the community
[18:54] <cypherdelic> i.e i will install ubuntu the next weeks for my dad
[18:55] <cypherdelic> i know at this point, that if i not explain him at least 30minutes how toinstall stuff he wants to have
[18:56] <cypherdelic> i start with, you just have to know what you want to do, that you have to translate it into english and search for it in synaptic
[18:56] <jpds> Open Synaptic, enable the extras repostiories, install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[18:56] <cypherdelic> when he hears english his brain shuts off
[18:56] <cypherdelic> is not just about extras
[18:57] <cypherdelic> you have to imagine: he is new to linux
[18:57] <cypherdelic> he does not know the term "open office" he does not know the term "synaptic" he does not know any english word at all
[18:58] <cypherdelic> so in general i told him
[18:59] <cypherdelic> you need the english term of what you want to to, translate it to english and search synaptic package name and describtion
[19:00] <cypherdelic> i know, that this guy, my old man, in fact is to stupid for it, but he and 90% of the world computerusers can work with windows
[19:00] <Pici> cypherdelic: Perhaps brainstorm.ubuntu.com would be a good place to vent all of this?
[19:01] <cypherdelic> he can even install it and install all what he needs without fckn calling me :D
[19:02] <cypherdelic> i have not really a conclusion how to fix this bug :D
[19:02] <jpds> cypherdelic: Simply put, it's the bug we'll never fix: The User.
[19:26] <cypherdelic> Hey, i think about another thing: When an IT-stupid old man can use linux, and tell this his collegues and friends
[19:26] <cypherdelic> they think: why am i still with windows if he can do well, lets try this ubuntu .... ;)
[19:51] <Myrtti> HEADS UP
[19:51] <Myrtti> 21:50 < {Firemaker}> http://tinyurl.com/jordanlulz
[19:51] <Myrtti> 21:50 @,- {Firemaker} [n=Firemake@91.125.229.5] has left #ubuntu-se ["[[lOl pArTeD -  cHaNnElS pArTeD: 810 ]]"]
[19:52] <jpds> He's gone.
[19:52] <Pici> Hrm. I'm glad I used w3m for that site.
[19:52] <Myrtti> jpds: k-train?
[19:52] <jpds> Myrtti: whowas.
[19:52] <Myrtti> I'm still putting him on ban for a while
[19:55] <Nafallo> I fired of a mail to his ISP's abuse department.
[20:00] <Myrtti> Nafallo: is he a regular "visitor"?
[20:01] <Nafallo> never seen him before :-)
[20:02]  * Myrtti rubs her eyes, sees the difference between letter f and t
[20:02] <Nafallo> might as well enjoy the abuse department a bit though :-P
[20:02] <Nafallo> also, cHaNnElS pArTeD: 810...
[20:03] <Nafallo> anyway. I should probably call EOD and get home :-)
[20:03] <Myrtti> good idea