[15:19] <poningru> anyone around?
[15:19] <poningru> I had a quick question
[15:19] <poningru> I wanted to package up a module
[15:19] <poningru> but the module is included in lrm by default
[15:20] <poningru> the only difference is I want to update the module as it includes a driver sorely needed for a particular community
[15:20] <poningru> aspire one community needs the latest madwifi
[15:20] <poningru> so what should I do? package up the atheros seperately?
[15:20] <tseliot> ﻿poningru: you can use DKMS for the package
[15:20] <poningru> or update lrm?
[15:21] <poningru> oh hmm
[15:21] <poningru> looking into it more
[15:22] <tseliot> ﻿poningru: with DKMS there would be no conflict with the version in the lrm
[15:22] <poningru> ah awesome
[15:22] <poningru> that is exactly what I am looking for
[15:23] <tseliot> and you would only have to keep the linux-headers installed (and the compiler) so that the kernel module is rebuilt every time the kernel is updated
[15:23] <poningru> any official ubuntu packaging guides for dkms?
[15:23] <poningru> that is exactly what I was looking for
[15:24]  * tseliot looks for an easy example
[15:26] <tseliot> maybe the dvb driver is easy enough: https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive
[15:26] <tseliot> and of course: sudo apt-get install dkms
[15:26] <tseliot> man dkms
[15:27] <poningru> ah hmm
[15:27] <poningru> danke
[15:32] <poningru> hmm quick question
[15:33] <poningru> tseliot, does the dkms require it to be installed in the to be installed computer?
[15:33] <poningru> oh nvm
[15:34] <poningru> this seems a little wrong
[15:34] <poningru> too easy
[15:59] <AlmightyCthulhu> latest email from Foxconn, more motherboard models affected, BIOS patch is top priority
[15:59] <AlmightyCthulhu> so far we're up to Foxconn, ASUS, MSI, and Intel
[15:59] <AlmightyCthulhu> especially G31, G33, G35, and P33 and P35 based boards
[15:59] <AlmightyCthulhu> all have AMI BIOS
[16:05] <stgraber> BenC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246222 <-- Any idea why dsdt-in-initrd doesn't work ?
[16:07] <BenC> stgraber: because the patch wasn't there until -4, IIRC
[16:08] <BenC> stgraber: wait, just got down to the end of the bug report...
[16:08] <BenC> stgraber: I'll check on it later today
[16:09] <stgraber> cool, thanks
[19:29] <poningru> question any reason why madwifi drivers are in /lib/kernel_vers/madwifi instead of /lib/kernel_vers/kernel/drivers/net/wireless ?
[19:29] <poningru> rather what was the reasoning behind that?
[19:44] <tormod> rtg, hi I think the patch for bug #245026 is now ready for you.
[19:46] <tormod> rtg, and thanks for committing that Hauppauge WinTV thing for Hardy!
[19:47] <mkrufky> what Hauppauge WinTV thing?!?
[19:47] <mkrufky> tormod: ^
[19:48] <tormod> mkrufky: support for the cheapo Nova-T CE / SE cards, bug #238164
[19:49] <mkrufky> ah, ok... thats already in 2.6.26, i believe, so no worries
[19:50] <mkrufky> oh!  actually... i heard complaints about that one not being supported in some other distros (asus eee)
[19:51] <mkrufky> tormod: sorry for being nosey -- i work for Hauppauge now, and i just wanted to make sure it wasnt a patch missing from upstream ... thanks :-)
[19:51] <tormod> mkrufky: interesting :) it's in 2.6.26 since March I think
[19:52] <mkrufky> January
[19:53] <tormod> mkrufky: and if I had knew the needed patch was so small, I would have pushed for it earlier...
[19:53] <tormod> s/had //
[19:54] <mkrufky> :-) no worries... if i realized it was missing from 2.6.24 i would have pushed it to stable
[19:54] <mkrufky> but now its too late
[19:54] <mkrufky> no problem
[19:56] <tormod> mkrufky: since you for them, I must say the card works very nicely. and it's cheap.
[19:56] <tormod> *you work for them
[19:56] <mkrufky> ya
[19:56] <mkrufky> i wasnt involved in that one... but i appreciate the positive feedback :-D
[19:57] <tormod> mkrufky: I guess you are into v4l-dvb ?
[19:58] <mkrufky> yup
[19:58] <mkrufky> thats where Hauppauge found me :-D
[19:58] <tormod> do you know why the card/driver doesn't work in Norway? they use another encoding there h264(?) and I wonder if just a little patch is needed?
[20:01] <mkrufky> brb 
[20:02] <tormod> mkrufky: http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/020851.html
[20:03] <mkrufky> tormod: that is not related to the product / driver
[20:03] <mkrufky> tormod: if the user has an app that can decode h264, then said user will not have a problem with the stick
[20:03] <tormod> it's in v4l general?
[20:03] <mkrufky> this has nothing to do with v4l
[20:04] <mkrufky> DVB is a glorified network adapter
[20:04] <mkrufky> a DVB device receives a transport stream and provides it to userspace
[20:04] <tormod> only the viewer? I tried "scan" but it would not list it.
[20:04] <mkrufky> userspace decodes that stream and plays it
[20:05] <tormod> I tried me-tv. Is it in me-tv or gstreamer or ??
[20:09] <tormod> what is there between v4l and "scan"?
[20:16] <mkrufky> me-tv uses xinelib
[20:17] <mkrufky> v4l is video4linux, a api and kernel subsystem that deals with analog video, and has absolutely nothing to do with digital television
[20:17] <mkrufky> (me-tv uses xinelib, *not* gstreamer)
[20:22] <poningru> tormod, try dumping the stream and then try out various decoding stuff using mplayer or vlc
[20:31] <poningru> EGret1029W{}|A5867NOomV
[20:35] <tormod> mkrufky: I guess I meant v4l-dvb and not v4l...
[20:37] <tormod> poningru: can not, I am not in Norway...
[20:38] <mkrufky> tormod: im sorry... are you asking me something?
[20:40] <tormod> mkrufky: my question is, what has to be fixed? xinelib?
[20:41] <mkrufky> tormod: what is the problem?
[20:41] <mkrufky> h264?
[20:41] <mkrufky> tormod: try it in mplayer, it might work there
[20:41] <mkrufky> oh... h264 sucks in linux
[20:41] <mkrufky> you need an extremely powerful system if you want a chance of smooth playback
[20:42] <mkrufky> ...or a graphics chipset that has hardware decoding support available in linux
[20:42] <mkrufky> h264 hardware decoding support
[20:42] <mkrufky> ... when you find that graphics chipset, please let me know -- i'll buy one for myself
[20:43] <tormod> sounds like it's getting a lot more expensive than just buying that dvb-t dongle :)
[20:44] <mkrufky> if you record them on your PC, you can play them back on a PS3
[20:44] <mkrufky> not much else i can say
[20:44] <mkrufky> i live in ATSC-land
[20:47] <tormod> is h264 so more resource-hungry, or it just that the linux support is not worked on?
[20:49] <poningru> tormod, both
[20:50] <poningru> search for drm/dri implementations under X
[20:50] <mkrufky> nah, there is linux support available
[20:50] <poningru> mkrufky, there is?
[20:50] <mkrufky> i dont think the distros have taken the latest ffmpeg stuff yet
[20:50] <poningru> hardware support?
[20:50] <mkrufky> hardware, nah
[20:51] <mkrufky> i know Nvidia has h264 decode support in the 8600 and later models
[20:51] <mkrufky> but no support in the drivers, afaik
[20:51] <poningru> iirc intel also has it but no support in the drivers
[20:51] <poningru> 965 and up
[20:51] <poningru> but what I cant wait for is dirac support in hardware
[20:51] <poningru> that is going to be awesome
[20:53] <tormod> dvb-t works nice with my old laptop here in Switzerland (mp4 I guess), I just feel sorry for those in Norway (and other h264 places)
[20:55] <poningru> meh less bandwidth usage
[21:41] <DB42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/114312 | more specificly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/114312/comments/47 <-- can anybody help ?