| Riddell | ScottK: have you tried KDE 4.1? do you think it's -backports material? | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | Riddell: I have not. | 00:07 |
| ScottK | I will confess that with this new DNS cache poisoning attack I'm increasingly uncomfortable with use of unsigned repositories like PPAs. | 00:07 |
| ScottK | Riddell: If a few people try it and generally find it major regression free compared to the KDE4 Remix, then I'd say go for it. | 00:08 |
| seele | Riddell: thanks | 00:30 |
| jjesse | fresh install of intrepid and i'm liking what i'm seeing ;) | 00:51 |
| jjesse | is nixternal not here? | 00:59 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| Jucato | Riddell or ryanakca: <flaccid> Jucato: rc mentioned on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1 . who can ammend? --> "To update to the release candidate of KDE 4.1, please follow these instructions" | 02:06 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: thanks, I guess it should be "To update to KDE 4.1, please..." ? | 02:07 |
| Jucato | yep | 02:07 |
| Jucato | or "to install KDE 4.1"... heh now I'm not sure which of the two :P | 02:08 |
| ryanakca | I went for update | 02:09 |
| Jucato | :) | 02:09 |
| nixternal | jeesh, who would have ever thought that importing folders and messages into kmail-kde4 would be such a pita | 02:26 |
| vorian | grrr | 02:31 |
| vorian | hi nixternal | 02:31 |
| nixternal | howdy | 02:32 |
| vorian | looking for a new computer eh? | 02:32 |
| nixternal | ya, mine keeps shuttin' down when it wants to | 02:33 |
| nixternal | kmail-kde4 importing action taking place | 02:33 |
| vorian | arg, no good | 02:33 |
| nixternal | 100,000 emails imported with a few million left to go! | 02:33 |
| vorian | haha | 02:33 |
| vorian | sheminie | 02:33 |
| nixternal | no doubt | 02:33 |
| nixternal | I have all of my original email from the 90s | 02:34 |
| vorian | how in the world did you manage that? | 02:34 |
| nixternal | Slackware, SuSE, Debian, VA Linux (whoa), Corel Linux, LFS, and even BSD stuff | 02:34 |
| nixternal | used Mutt forever on a server and never got rid of my old email | 02:34 |
| vorian | that is amazing | 02:35 |
| vorian | i have a few i've held on too for a few years | 02:36 |
| vorian | but | 02:36 |
| vorian | all! | 02:36 |
| nixternal | hehe, ya | 02:36 |
| vorian | kudo's | 02:36 |
| nixternal | even old shuttleworth posts on debian when nobody knew who he was | 02:36 |
| nixternal | same with that Riddell character on Debian and KDE :) | 02:36 |
| vorian | haha | 02:36 |
| nixternal | a ton of Matthew Garret Debian posts when I thought he was snooty | 02:37 |
| nixternal | I am willing to bet that Matthew Garrett has the lead of most emails in my folders | 02:38 |
| nixternal | yay, 9% complete with 700,000 emails imported | 02:38 |
| vorian | excellent | 02:38 |
| vorian | and very crazy | 02:38 |
| nixternal | kmail-kde4 is the hottness...well kontact-kde4 that is | 02:39 |
| nixternal | next is to import my contacts | 02:39 |
| vorian | i need to fix pim it seems | 02:39 |
| vorian | damn it, etc ... | 02:39 |
| nixternal | just noticed that the kmail icon in the system tray isn't meant for messages over 1,000,000 new...I can't even read the amount anymore | 02:50 |
| nixternal | it is so small | 02:50 |
| nixternal | and it keeps disappearing | 02:50 |
| nixternal | ummm, that wasn't 7 million...I have surpassed that and haven't even hit 50% yet | 02:58 |
| nixternal | wth | 02:58 |
| nixternal | 13 million and it says 31%..this is scary as hell | 03:01 |
| vorian | dude, that is crazy | 03:02 |
| Jucato | you have that much mail? O.o | 03:03 |
| * Jucato doesn't know how he'll survive that much... | 03:03 | |
| nixternal | 14,000,000 and still 31% | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: just "lose" some. | 03:04 |
| nixternal | but it is showing that it is importing the last folder in the popup window | 03:04 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: yeah. that's how I never use up more than 10% of Gmail's capacity... | 03:04 |
| nixternal | my gmail capacity is almost reached weekly with spam :P | 03:05 |
| Jucato | hahah | 03:05 |
| Jucato | I wished gmail would let you configure spam autodeletion time.. 30 days is just "Too Much" (TM) | 03:05 |
| nixternal | oh man, now it is hitting debian | 03:05 |
| nixternal | oh, that was scary, it was just a quicky import | 03:06 |
| vorian | how many in total? | 03:07 |
| nixternal | 34 million | 03:08 |
| * vorian faints | 03:09 | |
| Nightrose | Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/249156 | 07:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 07:46 |
| Nightrose | can you have a look please? | 07:47 |
| Jucato | thought that was known upstream bug, but fixed in trunk... not 100% sure though | 07:47 |
| Arby | morning all | 08:11 |
| etretyak | morning Arby | 08:14 |
| Jucato | hello kde4 ninja :) | 08:16 |
| Jucato | kubuntu ninja I mean | 08:16 |
| Arby | :D | 08:18 |
| Arby | that came as a complete surprise | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=171000 | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | if you get me a .11 tarball I will upate the package | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | until them scru'em | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | *then | 09:11 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: sorry - other problems right now :/ | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/strigi | 09:19 |
| apachelogger | ...one day... | 09:19 |
| apachelogger | http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ | 09:21 |
| apachelogger | ok | 09:21 |
| apachelogger | ehm | 09:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please sync strigi from debian | 09:22 |
| apachelogger | fixes bug 249156 | 09:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249156 | 09:22 |
| apachelogger | uploading to kde4 ppa | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: my sbscription to the kubuntu-council launchpad group just expired | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: could you renew it please ? | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and fyi, I'll go with 2 contrib days tomorrow and on friday... you can expect a bunch of uploads then :) | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | I have a few things ready for upload (kdebluetooth and so on) | 09:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: synced | 10:14 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I don't seem to be able to log on to gmail talk using kopete | 10:15 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: added back | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: thanks | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | !info libqca2-plugin-ossl | 10:17 |
| ubottu | libqca2-plugin-ossl (source: qca2-plugin-ossl): QCA OSSL plugin for libqca2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~20070904-3 (hardy), package size 108 kB, installed size 348 kB | 10:17 |
| apachelogger | davmor2: ^ | 10:17 |
| apachelogger | davmor2: are you on intrepid? | 10:17 |
| davmor2 | yes sorry I didn't clarify that bit I'm using intrepid. Running some general smoke test to try and get rid of some of the bugs before A4 | 10:18 |
| * apachelogger didn't have time to write the MIR yet | 10:19 | |
| apachelogger | and I guess no one else did ;_) | 10:19 |
| davmor2 | well as long as you know it's an issue :) I'll carry on testing :) | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32118/ languages which didn't make it into 4.1.0 - should I file a bug so we don't forget to remove them in time, or do you want to kick them out right away? | 10:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: shrug, they don't do any harm and removing them wouldn't actually change anything (the strings would still be in launchpad) | 10:23 |
| apachelogger | ok | 10:23 |
| Wubbbi | Hello :) | 10:24 |
| Riddell | do we need a main inclusion review for libqca2-plugin-ossl? | 10:24 |
| ubuntu__ | hello (testing, testing, 123) | 10:25 |
| Hobbsee | test fail. | 10:25 |
| ubuntu__ | well this seems to work okay :) | 10:25 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: are you away? | 10:25 |
| Hobbsee | hello davmor2 :) | 10:25 |
| ubuntu__ | hello hobbsee :) | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | Hobbsee: how do :) | 10:26 |
| Riddell | we have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2 but I guess we need one for that plugin too | 10:27 |
| apachelogger | probably | 10:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: shouldn't we drop preparetips from kdelibs-bin.install or move the cdbs scripts for extracting message to that very same package? | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | right now one can't install kdesdk-scripts with kdelibs-bin nor can kdesdk, kdesdk-dbg and probably some other metapackages be installed | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | is it me or is kmail really slow at imap folder setup? It's syncing the mails quick enough just took forever to set up the folders. | 10:34 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I did drop it from kdelibs-bin.install | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | re | 10:43 |
| Riddell | davmor2: doesn't that setup include downloading all the message headers? | 10:44 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: the downloading of the headers were quick. It was the folder creation that took forever. It took about 2 minutes to create the folders and about a minute after to dl the header | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: as a comparison Evolution sets up the folders in about 30-40 seconds and the mail headers take about 1 minute or so. | 10:50 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: and if memory serves on mobile it didn't take that long either. | 10:51 |
| * smarter waves | 11:01 | |
| Wubbbi | smarter: hello :) | 11:02 |
| smarter | hi Wubbbi | 11:03 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: can you help me a little bit? I have created the "watch" file now, and I have written the get-orig source into "Rules" ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32130/ is that ok ? ) What to do now? | 11:04 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: you need to change a bit the get-orig-source to remove the non-free files | 11:07 |
| smarter | also, have you tried to use it? bzcat ../sysinfo-$${version}.zip is not going to work, you must use unzip with a .zip | 11:08 |
| smarter | so unzip foo.zip && \ cd foo/icons && \ rm nvidia.png bla.png bar.png && \ cd ../.. && \ tar czf foo.orig.tar.gz foo && \ rm foo.zip | 11:09 |
| Wubbbi | so it sould call " unzip ../sysinfo-$$... " ? | 11:10 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: and how did the system know what Icons need to add ( after they are removed ) ? | 11:11 |
| smarter | you can create a directory debian/icons and put these icons here, the use a debian/install to install them | 11:12 |
| Wubbbi | ahhh ok | 11:12 |
| Wubbbi | thats sounds easy :) | 11:12 |
| smarter | but you've said that they already exist in the oxygen theme no? | 11:12 |
| Wubbbi | yes they do | 11:12 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: then, the Best Way ® would be too patch the source to use system icons(which is oxygen for KDE4) | 11:14 |
| Wubbbi | how to do that? | 11:14 |
| smarter | no idea :p | 11:15 |
| Wubbbi | xD | 11:15 |
| smarter | but api.kde.org certainly knows | 11:15 |
| Wubbbi | ok ... let us go back to remove the non-free icons. There is one point I dont understand ... foo = the programm ( sysinfo ) ? and where I have to add this line? | 11:16 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: first, make the get-orig-source work, it has to unzip, then tar czf(== create a tar.gz) sysinfo | 11:19 |
| smarter | this is basic shell, nothing difficult | 11:19 |
| smarter | the goal is that when you do debian/rules get-orig-source in a terminal, a sysinfo_1.X.X.orig.tar.gz appears in the directory | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: some plasmoids don't work anymore here | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the folder view for example.... works with the hardy kde4.1 packages... | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I investigated, but didn't found the issue | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is that known problem ? | 11:22 |
| Riddell | "don't work" "works" I'm confused | 11:22 |
| supert0nes | is there any way for kubuntu phonon to support oss4 even tho hal doesnt and therefore the generic phonon doesnt? | 11:24 |
| Riddell | I don't know what oss4 is, but phonon isn't related to hal | 11:25 |
| supert0nes | i think phonon checks hal | 11:25 |
| supert0nes | for sound devices | 11:26 |
| supert0nes | oss open sound system | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: folder view is seen as an "unknown applet" | 11:32 |
| supert0nes | ahh sorry to ask here this isnt the place, but freedesktop.org and phonon are very difficult places to get answers | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tried with a clean .kde, doesn't change anything | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: seen as a correct applet with hardy and kde4.1 packages | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: does this make sense ? | 11:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: do you have kdebase-plasma installed? | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup | 11:36 |
| Riddell | works for me | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | hum weird.... I also have a couple of other issues.... | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | very strange | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture89.png | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | that's what I have, all files are present (so and desktop) for the applet... | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | also with a new profile/account the problem is still there.... very weird... | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | retesting with a new account... | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | ouch kde doesn't even start with a new account... | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | my all installation seems to be broken.... | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | failsafe mode is broken too..... what the hell happens on my machine ?? | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | apt-get remove --purge 'kde*' | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | and we'll see :) | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: planning to get konqueror-plugin-searchbar into main ? | 11:41 |
| smarter | Are we going to package kdebluetooth4 as -kde4 or replace the kde3 version? | 11:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I guess I could just promote that, it was previously in main | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I suspect so yes | 11:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: could you take a look at the patch on bug #39383 at some point? it's pretty small and may be obsoleted by kdebluetooth4 | 11:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 39383 in kdebluetooth "No icons in GNOME" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39383 | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will look | 11:43 |
| smarter | (http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84761&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=635cf6e48ecd02666435465b724aa96b) | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the autostarter we did with allee does only start with kde, obviously.... | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can change that with the next upload | 11:44 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: (I'm not saying the patch is correct) | 11:44 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I just clicked on about kubuntu it dies. The follow error is shown "the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist." should it read help://? | 11:45 |
| Riddell | ah, docs | 11:45 |
| Riddell | they need rewritten for KDE 4 really | 11:45 |
| Riddell | nixternal: should we put a call out for someone to do KDE 4 docs? | 11:46 |
| davmor2 | do you want a report making out as a reminder Riddell? | 11:47 |
| Riddell | davmor2: yeah | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | np's | 11:47 |
| Jucato | gah! my bad sorry Riddell I forgot to put the link to Meetings wiki when I did the topic :/ | 11:50 |
| Riddell | Jucato: what's that? | 11:51 |
| Jucato | Riddell: I forgot to link to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings in the topic :/ | 11:52 |
| Riddell | Jucato: it's in this channel too | 11:53 |
| Xand3r | i have changed pbuilder-dist/etc/hardy/apt.conf , how i can get pbuilder-dist use it? | 11:53 |
| Jucato | Riddell: heh nvm :) | 11:53 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Happy 4.1 Day | Next meeting: Wednesday 30 July, 22:00 UTC at #kubuntu-devel - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | ||
| davmor2 | Riddell: bug 253244 | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/253244 | 11:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253244 | 11:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] | 11:56 |
| smarter | Xand3r: try running pbuilder-dist with --override-config | 11:58 |
| Xand3r | smarter: thx | 11:58 |
| smarter | Xand3r: if it doesn't work pbuilder-dist intrepid login, add whatever you needs to /etc/apt/sources.list, exit, launch pbuilder-dist intrepid update --override-config | 11:58 |
| danimo | hi | 12:00 |
| smarter | hi danimo | 12:00 |
| danimo | does anyone know why why kubuntu-kde4-desktop does not seem to depend on libkonq5-templates? | 12:01 |
| Xand3r | smarter: thx first solution worked fine | 12:01 |
| danimo | (or any of its subpackages, e.g. konqueror-kde4 or dolphin-kde4 ? | 12:01 |
| smarter | danimo: konqueror-kde4 depends on libkonq5 which depends on libkonq5-templates | 12:05 |
| danimo | smarter: but konqueror-kde4 is installed here, and it didnt't pull the dependency... | 12:06 |
| smarter | are you using KDE4 PPA or just hardy repos? | 12:06 |
| danimo | PPA | 12:06 |
| danimo | for 4.1 | 12:06 |
| smarter | so apt-cache show konqueror-kde4|grep libkonq5 | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | is there plans on adding neon to intrepid in the ear future? | 12:07 |
| smarter | should return something | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | smarter: you most likely need spaces in there | 12:08 |
| gnomefreak | smarter: it failes there way you haveit | 12:08 |
| jpds | gnomefreak: I think the schudule might just allow Amarok 2 to slip in. | 12:08 |
| smarter | gnomefreak: pipes work without space here | 12:08 |
| Serega | hi there | 12:08 |
| gnomefreak | i just tested | 12:08 |
| smarter | just tested too :} | 12:09 |
| gnomefreak | smarter: it doesnt output anything | 12:09 |
| gnomefreak | im not using the PPA since im on intrepid | 12:09 |
| smarter | gnomefreak: there's no konqueror-kde4 in intrepid, just konqueror | 12:09 |
| smarter | danimo: what's the output of dpkg -l|grep libkonq5 ? | 12:10 |
| gnomefreak | ah its been changed | 12:10 |
| danimo | ii libkonq5 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 core libraries for Konqueror | 12:10 |
| danimo | ii libkonq5-templates 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 data files for the Konqueror libraries | 12:10 |
| danimo | smarter: (I installed it) | 12:11 |
| smarter | danimo: apt-cache rdepends libkonq5-templates | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the 'kate doesn't quit properly' is bug | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | happens on windows as well | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | and apparently also for kopete | 12:12 |
| danimo | Reverse Depends: | 12:13 |
| danimo | |libkonq5 | 12:13 |
| danimo | libkonq5 | 12:13 |
| danimo | strange | 12:13 |
| smarter | and same thing for libkonq5? | 12:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: is known bug? | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | didn't look at bugs.kde.org | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | danimo: is it a known bug that kate doesn't quit properly? | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | danimo: see kate -> file -> quit vs. kate -> kwin's close button | 12:15 |
| danimo | apachelogger: no idea + out for lunch | 12:16 |
| danimo | bbl | 12:16 |
| Notch-1 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492231 please help me dealing with this strange guys :D | 12:16 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 492231 in general "general: unable to mount fixed drives" [Important,Open] | 12:17 |
| Notch-1 | this guys are telling me strange things, and are even talking about your distro | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libkonq5-templates | kdesktop | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | smarter: ^ | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | maybe I should count how many of this deps I find | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | at least 3 this week already | 12:19 |
| smarter | Oo | 12:19 |
| Notch-1 | goto the "Mmmm, i'll ask kubuntu people..." point, if you don't want to read the whole page... | 12:19 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: hmmm ... sorry I have been away ^^ So is this like this ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32163/ | 12:21 |
| smarter | Notch-1: indeed, we patch KDE to allow mounting of NTFS disks, but it's not totally insecure since it requires sudo password | 12:22 |
| Notch-1 | nono, it's not a ntfs thing | 12:22 |
| Notch-1 | it's fixed disks thing | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | someone messed up when they built akonadi | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | in the PPA | 12:23 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: gzip is for file, tar(.gz) is for directories, you're unziping a directory and gunzipping it without putting it in a tar first, it's not going to work | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | smarter, danimo: Uploading to kde4 (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | kdebase-kde4_4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2.dsc: done. | 12:23 |
| Notch-1 | this guys are telling me that thanks to the debian policy i can't mount fixed drive with hal... | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | libkonq5 fixed | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | Notch-1: what is a fixed drive? | 12:23 |
| smarter | Notch-1: what do you mean by fixed drive? | 12:23 |
| smarter | heh :P | 12:23 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: and how should it call now? | 12:23 |
| Notch-1 | a internal hard-disk | 12:24 |
| Notch-1 | sorry :P | 12:24 |
| Notch-1 | read the first post, it's all clearly explained | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | well | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | it defenitely got to do with permissions | 12:25 |
| Notch-1 | yes, i think so | 12:26 |
| Notch-1 | but i tried everything... | 12:26 |
| smarter | we patched kdebase to launch kdesu to mount drives when you click on them | 12:26 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok ... so that mean ... I unzip it. Then it is a normal folder. And then I have to tar.gz it wo make a orig.tar.gz?! ... Now to write it down to the rules? | 12:26 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: yes | 12:26 |
| Notch-1 | and this guys won't tell me where to find a configuration file to change this behavior :D | 12:26 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: remove the "| gunzip -bla" part | 12:26 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: "gzip -9fn -c - > \" this? | 12:27 |
| Notch-1 | smarter: you mean that dolphin is launched with root permission?? | 12:27 |
| smarter | Notch-1: no | 12:27 |
| Notch-1 | nice | 12:27 |
| smarter | you click on the disk, a popup appears and ask for your password, it mount the disks, then you can use it | 12:28 |
| Notch-1 | ah, i don't have this on my kubuntu | 12:28 |
| Notch-1 | i just click | 12:28 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok I have removed it ... and now? | 12:29 |
| Wubbbi | what I need to add? | 12:29 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: replace it by "&& \" (every line should finish with that, except the last one) | 12:29 |
| Notch-1 | it's a fresh version, downloaded 2 days ago, when i started to talk with this people :DDD | 12:29 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: and add a line to create the tar.gz | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff | 12:30 |
| smarter | Notch-1: if you have already used kdesu/sudo before, maybe it will not ask for your password a second time | 12:30 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ufff ... how should it call? I never done this. I allways make a right klick and then "archive it to ... " ^^ | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | Notch-1: kde4? ;-) | 12:30 |
| Notch-1 | smarter: nono, even in livecd mode | 12:30 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: use the man page, or tar --help | 12:30 |
| Notch-1 | apachelogger: nope :D | 12:31 |
| smarter | Notch-1: that's normal, there's no password in the livecd | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | righto | 12:31 |
| Notch-1 | ah, right :D | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | no password so that users can't lock themselfs out ;-) | 12:31 |
| Notch-1 | i had istalled it now, let's try :D | 12:31 |
| Notch-1 | hehehe | 12:31 |
| smarter | now, tell the Debian people we don't make insecures things ;) | 12:31 |
| Notch-1 | smarter: forgive me, but still no password, installed mode this time :D | 12:32 |
| Notch-1 | :DDD | 12:32 |
| Notch-1 | debian people are very strange | 12:32 |
| Notch-1 | i'm shamed to use debian, since some days :D | 12:32 |
| smarter | hmm, strange | 12:32 |
| Notch-1 | eh, what you can tell me about them? | 12:33 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: any ideas on when amorok2 might make it into Kubuntu? | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | davmor2: amarok-kde4 | 12:33 |
| smarter | davmor2: it's already in Intrepid | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | hardy as well | 12:33 |
| Notch-1 | just to undestand if i have to trash my live debian system that cost me 2 years of work to make it run on evry pc, with all i need... | 12:33 |
| davmor2 | not on the cd's though | 12:33 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no, they don't want it on the CDs for intrepid | 12:34 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: tar -cjf <My data> archiv.tar.gz ??? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what does that change? | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: version typo | 12:35 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Why? Will it not be stable enough or something? | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: someone replaced any 4.0.98 in the control with 4.1.0 causing the conflict to make the package uninstallable | 12:36 |
| supert0nes | ktorrent fits into that doesnt quit properly | 12:36 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ah | 12:36 |
| Notch-1 | smarter: i double checked it, it is still not asking anything (in the installed version)... is there a way to flush possible cached password? | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | davmor2: no way to tell | 12:37 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: uploaded, thakns | 12:37 |
| Riddell | thanks | 12:37 |
| Notch-1 | smarter: ok it was cached, now is asking... but i never checked the "don't ask again" ckbox, butmaybe i'm wrong... | 12:38 |
| davmor2 | K3b "Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable. K3b uses dvd+rw-format to format DVD-RW's and DVD+RW's. Solution: Install the dvd+rw-tools package." | 12:38 |
| davmor2 | should this be installed by default or not? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | davmor2: guess so | 12:39 |
| davmor2 | I'll report it then Riddell :) | 12:40 |
| Riddell | davmor2: hmm, actually I have it installed and still get that message | 12:40 |
| davmor2 | Bug with K3b then maybe? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | davmor2: yep | 12:41 |
| smarter | Notch-1: it's always cached for a certain amount of time, no checkbox | 12:41 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: is that right? | 12:42 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: tar czf bla.orig.tar.gz bla | 12:42 |
| Wubbbi | ohh ok thx | 12:42 |
| Wubbbi | what is the last bla about? | 12:43 |
| jpds | Wubbbi: The folder. | 12:43 |
| Wubbbi | and that should be? | 12:43 |
| jpds | Wubbbi: <My data> | 12:44 |
| vorian | yo yo | 12:45 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 12:45 |
| * Riddell out for a bit | 12:46 | |
| davmor2 | Riddell: bug 253253 | 12:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253253 in k3b "Intrepid: Kubuntu K3b error message... Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253253 | 12:47 |
| Notch-1 | smarter: ah,thanks | 12:47 |
| Notch-1 | i'm new with working systems :DD | 12:47 |
| Notch-1 | it was so beautiful, when i asked why i had to do things by hand they told me that linux in not windows :DDDDDDDD | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | linux is not awkward either | 12:50 |
| * apachelogger shudders | 12:50 | |
| Notch-1 | i'm about to trash debian shit and make my system work on kubuntu :D | 12:51 |
| Notch-1 | i have some strange needs, like loop device mounted root, and so on... i spent much time so set all up, what a waste of time... | 12:51 |
| Notch-1 | are there significant things i better know about kubuntu, before the exorcism? :DD | 12:53 |
| Notch-1 | any different way to handle things... | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | re | 12:54 |
| Notch-1 | (in a few words, will be enough) | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just purged k* and reinstalled kubutu-desktop, didn't change anything on my side | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: would be interesting that you create a new user and test... | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can't even open a kde session with a new user in the first place | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | or any other person interested in testing.... | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | although, now I reinstalled everything, my kde3 apps using the systray don't go in the tray anymore.... I just get small windows including the icon.... I may miss a kde3 package | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any idea of the package required for this ? | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | !info libfacile-dev intrepid | 12:59 |
| ubottu | Package libfacile-dev does not exist in intrepid | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: do you experience any problems with the folder view plasmoid ? | 13:00 |
| * apachelogger doesn't use folderview ;-) | 13:00 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: you use it, don't you? | 13:00 |
| Nightrose | i do | 13:01 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: and it works ? | 13:01 |
| Nightrose | jep | 13:01 |
| Nightrose | no problems here | 13:01 |
| Nightrose | though this is not a fresh install | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: what is the problem? | 13:02 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: some applets are dead and just don't work | 13:02 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I suspect a problem with xdg | 13:02 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: with my "tonio" account, my desktop folder is /home/tonio/Desktop | 13:03 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: when I create a new account, the desktop folder is translated /home/tonio/Bureau | 13:03 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: kde doesn't even start | 13:03 |
| Tonio_ | that can make sense | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | would be quite strange | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | folderview should use kstandarddirs I guess | 13:04 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: the point is that I kde doesn't start when I create a new account | 13:04 |
| vorian | hmmm | 13:04 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: btw I just apt-get remove --purge k* , performed an autoremove, and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 13:04 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: means I'm pretty sure my computer is cleaned of any broken package | 13:05 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32178/ | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: anything interesting in .xsession-errors? | 13:05 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: performing a test before this and I'll let you know | 13:06 |
| Tonio_ | hum...... creating a Desktop folder doesn't help | 13:07 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: looks at where all the other "&& \" are and where you're one is, and try to understand what it is for | 13:07 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: http://paste.toniox.org/44 | 13:08 |
| Tonio_ | that's ugly :) | 13:08 |
| Wubbbi | && = and do ... | 13:08 |
| Wubbbi | ? | 13:08 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: yep, but the \ is here to allow you to change line | 13:08 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: and the orig must contains the version | 13:08 |
| Wubbbi | and that mean? | 13:08 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: what means what? | 13:09 |
| Wubbbi | <smarter> Wubbbi: yep, but the \ is here to allow you to change line | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: looks unhealthy ;-) | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | meh | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | uploading l10n makes me lag bigtime | 13:09 |
| Tonio_ | permissions issue somehow ? | 13:09 |
| Tonio_ | rebooting to test | 13:10 |
| * apachelogger goes out for some coffee | 13:10 | |
| smarter | Wubbbi: it means the newline is escaped, so that if you press return to do a new line, it will be the same as if there was no \ and no newline | 13:11 |
| Wubbbi | aha ok ... is that better now http://paste.ubuntu.com/32180/ @ smarter | 13:12 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: are you sure you understand what the "&& \" is for? | 13:12 |
| smarter | by the way, you should use a "_" before the version number, not a "-" | 13:13 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I suspect my problem can be due to my .kde | 13:14 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but the really strange point is that not any new user can connect..... that, I don't understand the point, any clue ? | 13:14 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: have you looked at the lastline? it's what you kio-sysinfo-$${version}-whatever should be | 13:14 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: my testing user has the same groups as the standard, so that may not be a permissions issue..... | 13:15 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: so I should rename the line " ${CURDIR}/${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}.orig.tar.gz "? | 13:16 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: you should use that instead of kio-sysinfo-bla | 13:16 |
| seezer | anyone building kde4 applications with kde packages from kubuntu? my 4.1.0 FindAutomoc4.cmake file fails to find automoc4 - iirc it was able to find it in 4.0.8x. any hints? | 13:17 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: and please, try to understand what the "\" is for, putting one on the middle of a line does not make sense | 13:17 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/247003 | 13:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247003 in mesa "gnome-session makes Xorg crash in xf86SetScrnInfoModes" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 13:20 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I should link the bug to kdm too I guess | 13:20 |
| Tonio_ | exactly the same issue | 13:20 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: Like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32182/ | 13:21 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: what is the last line for? | 13:21 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: use && \ | 13:22 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: I dont know ^^ the wiki Guid gave me that ^^ | 13:22 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: try to understand how it worked and why it's not going to work with the changes you did | 13:22 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: can you give me the wikipage again? I have lost it :/ | 13:26 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok what should I typ into goodle? | 13:26 |
| Wubbbi | 13:26 | |
| smarter | Wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete | 13:27 |
| smarter | you could have used wiki.ubuntu.com search to find that | 13:27 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: hmmm the wiki dont tell me what "${CURDIR}/${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" means | 13:41 |
| Wubbbi | :/ | 13:41 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: try to use your brain | 13:41 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: hihi xD | 13:44 |
| Wubbbi | ok that mean "${DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE}_$${version}" --- "Package_verion" ok ... | 13:46 |
| Wubbbi | version | 13:46 |
| Wubbbi | but what is that? "${CURDIR" | 13:46 |
| Wubbbi | ${CURDIR} | 13:46 |
| smarter | current directory :P | 13:48 |
| smarter | but you could have added echo ${CURDIR} in the get-orig-source to see what it's supposed to do | 13:48 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: Is that like this right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32189/ | 13:51 |
| smarter | no :'( | 13:52 |
| smarter | wth is this "${CURDIR}/kio-sysinfo_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" doing in the middle of nowhere, and why do you have a \ but don't have a line feed? | 13:53 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: should I remove "${CURDIR}/kio-sysinfo_$${version}.orig.tar.gz" ? | 13:57 |
| smarter | \o/ | 13:57 |
| smarter | yes | 13:58 |
| smarter | and add ${CURDIR}/ to you kio-sysinfo thing | 13:58 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: Like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32193/ | 14:00 |
| smarter | YES !! :) | 14:00 |
| smarter | now you just need to add commands to remove the non-free icons before the tar czf | 14:01 |
| smarter | and add .dfsg to the version number | 14:01 |
| Wubbbi | Yeah! :D | 14:01 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok now they should be remove right ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32195/ ) what to do now? | 14:06 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok now they are removed ... what to do now? Creat a "Icon" folder in Debian, and put the Icons into there. And they add that Icons to the Rule file, to Install them right? | 14:09 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: use debian/install to install them | 14:10 |
| Wubbbi | ok ... and what to right in install? | 14:12 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: debian/icons/bla.png usr/share/bla/ | 14:13 |
| Wubbbi | right = write xD | 14:14 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: that does usr/share/bla mean? oO | 14:21 |
| Wubbbi | smarter ? | 14:25 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: that means that if the file has to be installed in /usr/share/bla, you should write usr/share/bla/ | 14:26 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ohhh they need to be installed ... ok | 14:29 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: Is it possible to say ... " /usr/share/kio-sysinfo ??? | 14:30 |
| Wubbbi | or better "/usr/share/kio-sysinfo/icons | 14:30 |
| Wubbbi | " | 14:30 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: I don't know, see where they are installed | 14:31 |
| smarter | use dpkg -L nameofthepackage | 14:31 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: hmmm ... why they need to be installed? I mean I have them in The "icons" folder | 14:33 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: because, how does dpkg now where they should go if you don't write it in the debian/install file? | 14:35 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: could you please check the video in my latest blog post and tell me your opinion when I get back in some hours? | 14:35 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: the link is http://artfowl.blogspot.com/2008/07/background-stuff.html | 14:36 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: sure, i'll look at it in a few | 14:37 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: is there a package of the latest updates? | 14:37 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ohhh right so that mean that the icons are going to install on /usr/share/bla ... ok ...but that makes me confuse "[15:31] <smarter> Wubbbi: I don't know, see where they are installed" ... I dont knwo where they are installed. First you are saying they need to be install at xy and then you say they are installed at xy ... what now? | 14:37 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: I have to go IRL, be back later | 14:37 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: use dpkg -L to see where they are installed | 14:37 |
| smarter | then write that down in the debian/install file | 14:38 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: hä? where is what installed? | 14:44 |
| jjesse | quick question in intrepid, is there a replacement for the system settings disks and filesystems that would allow me to control mount points etc? | 14:49 |
| JontheEchidna | jjesse: there isn't one yet | 14:49 |
| jjesse | JontheEchidna: bummer... need to remember how to config mount points manually then :( | 14:49 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 14:50 |
| JontheEchidna | :( | 14:50 |
| jjesse | new device notifier is showing my NTFS drive and also my FAT32 drive but when i click on "open in dolphin" nothing happens | 14:50 |
| ScottK | Before I mark Bug 253245 invalid, would it make sense to add a stub pyqtconfig in python-qt4 that just raises an error that says, "pyqtconfig is in the python-qt4-dev package. You need to install that package to use pyqtconfig"? | 14:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253245 in python-qt4 "import PyQt4.pyqtconfig fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253245 | 14:59 |
| \sh | ScottK: no...if it belongs to the part of "developing for pyqt4" everybody using debian/ubuntu should know that those stuff is laying in -dev packages...developing with/using pyqt4 , everything is in the main package...(minus dbus ,-) | 15:03 |
| ScottK | \sh: It's not the first time I've seen a bug report like that. | 15:04 |
| ScottK | If this was Debian, I'd say "Tough, they should know better.", but in Ubuntu maybe we can be nicer? | 15:05 |
| \sh | ScottK: because it's not common for python packages to have -dev packages for low level stuff, but it is really following debian policy regarding development files | 15:06 |
| \sh | if someone includes PyQT4.pyqtconfig he knows exactly why...and should know the debian way...really noone else is fighting with this | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Agreed it's the right place for it. OK. | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Invalid it is. | 15:07 |
| \sh | ScottK: I just had a closer look what this module does, and it's nothing really, which I would import, if I'm not sure what I'm doing...means: application development with pyqt4 doesn't use it... | 15:08 |
| davmor2 | There's no usplash screen on the installed intrepid system still :( | 15:08 |
| ScottK | \sh: I think it's only actually useful during build time. | 15:09 |
| \sh | ScottK: or when you want to add something very low level to it (like selfmade kde widget / kde addon libs where someone needs sip interfaces) | 15:09 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: are you online? | 15:18 |
| nixternal | jjesse: you about ready to start the doc migration from kde 3 to kde 4 for Kubuntu? | 15:24 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I will be working on the docs and I am sure jjesse will do a little as well...if we can get a few people to proofread and provide text docs that would be great...finding docbook people to work on Kubuntu or KDE docs is damn near impossible | 15:25 |
| GreySim | How do I get involved with proofreading? | 15:25 |
| nixternal | GreySim: stick around here, follow the kubuntu-devel and ubuntu-docs mailing lists as well | 15:26 |
| Jucato | oh.. need to subscribe to ubuntu-docs too? | 15:26 |
| GreySim | Will do. | 15:26 |
| nixternal | Jucato: not really as it has just been jjesse and I doing the docs, so we would always email between us and cc Riddell just to annoy him :P | 15:27 |
| * ryanakca debates on doing a fresh install of intrepid vs just dist-upgrading | 15:27 | |
| Jucato | nixternal: ah ok. maybe I can help this time around with KDE 4 shtuff | 15:27 |
| Jucato | docs I mean | 15:27 |
| Jucato | I can start w/ poopreading | 15:28 |
| nixternal | you are beyond proofreading, I have seen your documentation you have created | 15:28 |
| * Jucato snaps fingers | 15:28 | |
| Jucato | okie dokie | 15:28 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: are you online? | 15:28 |
| Jucato | well then, I'm volunteering for kubuntu docs for intrepid | 15:28 |
| Jucato | nixternal: keep me on a leash please :) | 15:29 |
| jjesse | nixternal: just loaded intrepid so i can start doing docs | 15:30 |
| jjesse | and i did get my wireless to work | 15:30 |
| jjesse | now if i can just figure out how to mount my drives | 15:30 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: yes | 15:30 |
| Jucato | hm... of course I need to upgrade to intrepid hahaha! | 15:30 |
| nixternal | I need to build a new desktop at home so I can get intrepid on it and rebuild my laptop at home | 15:31 |
| aos101 | What's the holdup on getting the fix in bug 199393 released? Is it just waiting for someone on the SRU verification team to test it? | 15:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 199393 in dolphin "servicemenu for amarok has an invalid menu entry "addAsPodcast"" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199393 | 15:31 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: can you tell me what I have to write in debian/install? smarter told me that I have to write /debian/icon/mypicture.png /usr/share/whatever ... what does these /usr/share/whatever mean? | 15:31 |
| nixternal | it is going to be a bit to hot to cycle much this week, so I plan on working on Kubuntu.... Riddell do you have anything else other than docs I can work on this week? If so, message me or email me a list of things to work on, including coding if need be | 15:31 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: that's where teh pcitures will be installed | 15:32 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: can I choose one are is it a special place? | 15:32 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: gah, Need to get 3049MB of archives... I have to wait 'till August to upgrade so I don't go over my bandwidth limit :/ | 15:32 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: heh I'm also hesitant to upgrade now.. last time I tried, X failed to start.. and the new X config system is totally alien to me... | 15:33 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: and I sort of need a working Kubuntu KDE 4 to demo on Aug. 24 | 15:33 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: you have to choose the place where it would normally be installed | 15:33 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: X has a new config system? | 15:33 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: a Place where is Icons will be installed ... ok. | 15:34 |
| Wubbbi | thank you :) | 15:34 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: well, not really X.. or dunno what happened.. if you do a fresh install, look at your xorg.conf | 15:34 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: all "Configured Foo" entries | 15:34 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: hmm... I might dual boot.... have an intrepid and keep my hardy... imho, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but I don't know much about X anyways.... I do all my configuring with dpkg-reconfigure :) | 15:35 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: well the problem is it when it breaks.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do the same thing anymore :) | 15:36 |
| Jucato | it just reconfigures the keyboard and mouse I think | 15:36 |
| ryanakca | gah... So, how would a newish user reconfigure X when it breaks without manually editing Xorg.conf... at least you used to be able to say ``oh, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... It will ask you a few questions, and it'll get X back up and running for you''... | 15:37 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: I'm sure there has been a way.. I just haven't been paying attention probably... | 15:39 |
| Jucato | but the old ways don't work :) | 15:39 |
| Jucato | (at least I think manually editing xorg.conf still works... I think) | 15:40 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: are you back? | 15:41 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: ok I have done this now. What I have to do that the icons will be installed now. I want to replace them The Old Icons are Removed and now I need to install them. How to do that? | 15:42 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't understand | 15:42 | |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: hihi xD ... ok ... I want to replace some Icons with other Icons. I cant do that with a patch. So I have to write it down in debian/rules. My Rules looks like this ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32195/ ) ... Now I have created a debian/Icons folder, where I have my "new" Icons. Then I have created a install file. Now I need to right something down, that the system (dpkg) install the new icons ( after they are remove ) ... | 15:47 |
| Wubbbi | Remove Old + Install New = Replace. Replace = what I want :) | 15:47 |
| * JontheEchidna has never done this to be honest | 15:48 | |
| Wubbbi | xD | 15:49 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I think docs would be the main thing | 16:07 |
| Riddell | nixternal: if that's what interests you of course :) | 16:07 |
| Riddell | nixternal: porting pinentry-qt to qt 4 might be an interesting coding task | 16:13 |
| mornfall | (Afternoon...) | 16:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: kdeutils needs a rebuild in Intrepid | 16:19 |
| Riddell | why, it's a mornfall | 16:24 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: the hal-cups issue wasn't it? | 16:24 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: python-usb | 16:27 |
| JontheEchidna | it builds fine in pbuilder now | 16:27 |
| Riddell | anyone use ktnef? | 16:27 |
| * Riddell retries kdeutils | 16:27 | |
| mornfall | : - P | 16:28 |
| mornfall | It would seem so indeed. | 16:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just noticed than adept crashes on intrepid | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: I think that's because there is not konsole-kde3 kpart in intrepid | 16:31 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: makes sense indeed | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | *is not a konsole kpart | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what is the status of adept kde4 ? | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: deverses a package or not ? | 16:32 |
| mornfall | Good question. | 16:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why ask me, mornfall is just here waiting for a hug from you :) | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | hey mornfall :) | 16:32 |
| mornfall | : - ) | 16:33 |
| mornfall | Hi. | 16:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I didn't look at the names on the channel :) | 16:33 |
| * Tonio_ higs mornfall | 16:33 | |
| Tonio_ | s/higs/hugs... | 16:33 |
| nixternal | Riddell: pinentry has already been ported to qt4...it used to be in the kde svn | 16:33 |
| mornfall | The status would go as, if I manage it in 3 weeks, then it will be done, otherwise it'll get much longer, I guess. | 16:33 |
| nixternal | but if it hasn't, I will work on it again | 16:34 |
| mornfall | So hope for these 3 weeks? ; - ) | 16:34 |
| Riddell | nixternal: ah well, package it up then :) | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: that would be nice :) | 16:34 |
| nixternal | roger dodger...gotta find it now.... ScottK and I found it a while ago | 16:34 |
| mornfall | The idea is likely to be that, very unusually, my sorting through bugzilla actually gave me some motivation. | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 16:35 |
| Riddell | actually seele was just asking about adept the other day | 16:36 |
| mornfall | I have 4 items on 3.0 must-fix. | 16:37 |
| mornfall | Which isn't really that bad. | 16:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can still prepare some adept-kde4 packages tomorrow | 16:38 |
| Riddell | packaging isn't a problem Tonio_ | 16:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know that ;) | 16:38 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: are you back? | 16:39 |
| mornfall | The packages should be in a remotely decent shape, but they do need rebuilds. | 16:39 |
| Tonio_ | well better wait 3 weeks then | 16:39 |
| mornfall | What day is it today? | 16:39 |
| mornfall | Okey. | 16:39 |
| Wubbbi | Do anyone know how to get the changelog from kde 4.1 RC1 to Kde 4.1 Final? | 16:39 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: I will have alpha 5 by tomorrow evening. | 16:39 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: super ! :) | 16:40 |
| mornfall | I'll upload to Debian experimental and I let you sort out KUbuntu? | 16:40 |
| mornfall | That'd work for me at least... : - ) | 16:40 |
| mornfall | (It's not hard to get packages to PPA, but it's still work that you can save me...) | 16:41 |
| Wubbbi | When I have patches for a package, do I need them to the rules ( via "include xy" ) ? | 16:48 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: you need to make sure that rules applies the patch, most packages will if you put the patch in debian/patches | 16:53 |
| Riddell | cdbs packages will typically include simple-patchsys or quilt to apply the patch | 16:53 |
| aos101 | Riddell: Do you know why it's taking so long for the fix to bug 199393 to be released? Is it just waiting for the SRU verification team to test it? | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 199393 in dolphin "servicemenu for amarok has an invalid menu entry "addAsPodcast"" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199393 | 16:54 |
| Riddell | aos101: good question | 17:00 |
| Riddell | aos101: yeah I guess so, the verification team tend to need a poke, try pinging bdmurray | 17:01 |
| Riddell | on #ubuntu-devel | 17:01 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: aha ok thank you for the information :) | 17:02 |
| aos101 | Riddell: Thanks, I'll try that. | 17:02 |
| mornfall | So Interpid will be running on 4.1 as primary desktop? | 17:03 |
| JontheEchidna | ^yes | 17:04 |
| mornfall | If I get adept beta (feature-complete, that is) out in three weeks, that'll get in, right? | 17:04 |
| Riddell | mornfall: yes indeed | 17:04 |
| JontheEchidna | go mornfall go! :) | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | kmail doesn't quit properly either | 17:10 |
| mornfall | Weekly cron jobs run by default roughly once a week on ubuntu, right? (Anacron or such...) | 17:18 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: are you back? | 17:19 |
| Riddell | mornfall: like /etc/cron.weekly/apt-xapian-index ? I'd imagine it's exactly once a week | 17:26 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Yeah, that one. But I guess I'll still call it if it is needed, makes everything more robust. | 17:27 |
| vorian | bug #253301 is ready | 18:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253301 in kdeedu "kdeedu 4.1.0 is ftbfs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253301 | 18:07 |
| goetzc | hi | 18:31 |
| Riddell | hi goetzc | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | omg, iridium is dead | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | that explains the build queue length ;-) | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | I think svn xbmc is built 3 times a day | 19:00 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: ping | 19:09 |
| gnomefreak | kdeedu is stopping intrepid packages? | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | gnomefreak: WIP | 19:15 |
| gnomefreak | WIP? | 19:15 |
| smarter | work in progress | 19:16 |
| gnomefreak | ah thanks | 19:16 |
| Artemis_Fowl | damn. I have to go again... :( | 19:22 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: are you away? | 19:33 |
| smarter | I'm here | 19:33 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok | 19:35 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: I still dont understand the thing with the debian/install file. You said that I have to search for something. But I dont know what. | 19:35 |
| smarter | you have to know where kio-sysinfo install the icons | 19:36 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: the problem is, that the kio-sysinfo what I have, an Initial release is. | 19:49 |
| smarter | and? | 19:49 |
| smarter | (germans really speak like Yoda :P) | 19:49 |
| Wubbbi | xD | 19:50 |
| Wubbbi | yes and if it was an Initial release I dont know where the kio-sysinfo install the icons | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | smarter: that is because germans can make super awesome sentences featuring 30 commas and using at least 100 words ;-) | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: why do you need debian/install anyway? | 19:53 |
| smarter | apachelogger: I know, and that's why I get bad marks in german :P | 19:53 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: smarter told me xD | 19:54 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: I dont know why | 19:54 |
| smarter | (/me hates strong verbs too) | 19:56 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: why do I need debian/install? | 19:57 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: to install the free icons | 19:57 |
| smarter | other solution is to patch the icon to use system icons | 19:58 |
| smarter | s/patch the icon/patch the source/ | 19:58 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: So I can patch the source by replacing the icons? | 19:59 |
| smarter | s/by replacing/to replace/ | 19:59 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: what? xD ... whatever ... what to do now? hust change the icons in the orig.tar.gz? oO | 20:02 |
| Wubbbi | hust = just | 20:02 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: debian/install is the easiest way to do it imho | 20:02 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ok ... and what to do with that? On the Left side I write down the path to the icons debian/icons/ati.png etc. then I make a "Space" and what I have to write down then? | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | dude | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | smarter: you didn't listen to me the other day | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | the original images _can't_ be part of the tarball | 20:04 |
| smarter | apachelogger: I know | 20:04 |
| smarter | apachelogger: that's why I said he should remove them using get-orig-source | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 20:05 |
| smarter | apachelogger: then add others using whatever he wants | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | but also place the new icons in using get-orig-source | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | create a bzr branch and push the images then | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | then bzr pull them in get-orig | 20:05 |
| smarter | I don't really like doing more changes than necessary to the orig | 20:05 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: das ist das was ich die ganze zeit sagen will. Was muss ich eingeben, damit er mir auch die neuen Icons installiert? Ich meine nur eintfernen bringt ja nix | 20:06 |
| * smarter ist totally kaput | 20:06 | |
| ryanakca | Hmmm... looks like the german population is overtaking the french population in #kubuntu-devel | 20:07 |
| ryanakca | (assuming that is german, of course ;) | 20:07 |
| smarter | I don't know how to say totally in German :P | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | smarter: this change is necessary | 20:07 |
| smarter | apachelogger: removing the nonfree icons is necessary | 20:08 |
| smarter | adding other is not | 20:08 |
| smarter | other icons | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | smarter: the surce should work fine without debian/ | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | smarter: if you want to do it the complicate way, then you guys will have to patch that thing to use the oxygen package itself | 20:08 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: why is it not nessessary the add new? | 20:09 |
| Wubbbi | Hello? ... I have add a Icon folder in /debain. There I have put all the "new" ( Oxygen Icons ) into. Now I want, that these Icon are getting Installed and in the folder src/about/suse/images ... then the Icons will work fine | 20:10 |
| Wubbbi | the question = How to do that? | 20:10 |
| smarter | IMHO, it is not necessary to add other icons to the orig.tar.gz, since they're not part of the program, may have a different licence, and the program works without them | 20:10 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: ask apachelogger :P | 20:11 |
| * smarter is tired | 20:11 | |
| Wubbbi | smarter: Oxygen Icons are GPL Icons. The Program is GPL too ... no problem | 20:11 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: help me! xD | 20:11 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: no | 20:12 |
| smarter | Oxygen icon theme is dual licensed. You may copy it under the Creative Common Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License or the GNU Library General Public License. | 20:12 |
| smarter | you will have to put that in the debian/copyright too | 20:12 |
| apachelogger | smarter: that is less work than uuing around | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | either do it the real simple way or the completely right way | 20:13 |
| smarter | apachelogger: why should we use uuencode/decode? | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | smarter: where are the icons coming from? | 20:13 |
| smarter | apachelogger: debian/icons | 20:13 |
| smarter | then installed using debian/install | 20:13 |
| smarter | or, we could patch the source to use the system icons | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | smarter: debian/icons? | 20:14 |
| smarter | inside debian/ | 20:14 |
| smarter | why do I feel like I keep repeating the same stuff since days? :/ | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | eh | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | smarter: debian is a diff against orig | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | you can't add binaries to debian?! | 20:15 |
| smarter | hmm, right | 20:15 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: how to replace the icons now? In Rules, I have removed them. Now I want to add the new one ... How to do that? | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | create a code branch in your launchpad profile | 20:17 |
| apachelogger | bzr push the icons to that branch | 20:17 |
| apachelogger | then bzr pull them in get-orig and include them in the tarball recreation process | 20:17 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: Cant I write it direkt to get-orig like " install /debian/Icons/bla.png, blab.png, blib.png /src/about/suse/images/ " ? | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: you can | 20:21 |
| apachelogger | you shouldn't | 20:22 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: why? | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | as in I will not advocate the package | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: because the changes have to be reproducable for new upstream releases | 20:22 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: but it is in the debain folder. | 20:22 |
| * apachelogger feels smarter's redundancy | 20:22 | |
| apachelogger | [21:15:09] <apachelogger> smarter: debian is a diff against orig | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | [21:15:14] <apachelogger> you can't add binaries to debian?! | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: ^ | 20:23 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: so it is also not possible to remove them via. get-orig? | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: read that carefully | 20:24 |
| Wubbbi | what? the link for bzr? | 20:24 |
| apachelogger | the two lines I pasted | 20:24 |
| apachelogger | you can't store binary files in debian/ | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | and images (expect for svn and xpm) are binary files | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | thus can't be added to debian/ | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | thus you need the bzr branch | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | which is kind of an online storage for the icons | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | then you can pull the icons in via get-orig | 20:25 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: but it is possible to remove them? ... I mean the nonfree | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | yes | 20:26 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 20:26 |
| apachelogger | it is the whole point of it | 20:26 |
| apachelogger | you create a new orig | 20:26 |
| Wubbbi | ahhh ... now I understand | 20:27 |
| * apachelogger is off for tonight | 20:27 | |
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| JontheEchidna | Meeting in 2 hours? | 21:04 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: 4? | 21:05 |
| vorian | @now | 21:05 |
| ubottu | vorian: Current time in Etc/UTC: July 30 2008, 20:05:28 - Next meeting: Mentoring Reception in 17 hours 54 minutes | 21:05 |
| vorian | hmm | 21:05 |
| vorian | no fridge! | 21:05 |
| * Xand3r passes some cookies arround, he passes the driving test to day | 21:25 | |
| Tm_T | Xand3r: nice :) | 21:31 |
| Riddell | yay | 21:31 |
| Xand3r | hi Riddell | 21:34 |
| Xand3r | i think the meeting is an open one or? | 21:34 |
| Riddell | 1.5 yes | 21:36 |
| Nightrose | it is Xand3r | 21:36 |
| Nightrose | and wohoooo @ driving license | 21:36 |
| Xand3r | Nightrose: ^^ | 21:36 |
| emunkki | Nightrose, isn't it drivers license ;) | 21:36 |
| vorian | yay Xand3r :) | 21:36 |
| Nightrose | emunkki: might be ;-) | 21:36 |
| Xand3r | ^^ | 21:37 |
| * Nightrose shuts up and goes back to watching dr horrible | 21:37 | |
| Xand3r | 22:00 utc is late | 21:37 |
| yuriy | umm meeting is in #kubuntu-devel, not #ubuntu-meeting, right? | 21:38 |
| Riddell | it makes it possible for americans to come, and geeks tend to work late | 21:38 |
| Riddell | yuriy: yes | 21:38 |
| * yuriy fixes wiki | 21:39 | |
| Tm_T | meeting is here? | 21:39 |
| Tm_T | I see | 21:39 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: ok, thats right, i some times forget, that here are working people from the hole world | 21:40 |
| hunger | kstars has a file conflict with the indi package. | 21:40 |
| hunger | The file is /usr/bin/indiserver | 21:40 |
| hunger | What makes this annoying is that kstars seems to depend on indi:-| | 21:41 |
| Riddell | vorian: seen that? ^^ | 21:41 |
| vorian | ah | 21:42 |
| JontheEchidna | question: | 21:42 |
| * hunger heads for bed. Good night. | 21:42 | |
| vorian | Riddell: nope | 21:42 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, wait | 21:43 |
| vorian | i'll take a closer look since i'm working on that package now | 21:43 |
| JontheEchidna | nevermind | 21:43 |
| hunger | Is digikam installable on intrepid again by the way? | 21:44 |
| Xand3r | hunger: are you working on it? | 21:44 |
| vorian | not quite yet hunger, Xand3r is working on the kde4 version | 21:44 |
| hunger | Somebody had been working on updated packages a while back as I recall. | 21:44 |
| hunger | Xand3r: Nope, Just trying to use it. | 21:45 |
| Xand3r | urg yea | 21:45 |
| Xand3r | but i hade much stress | 21:45 |
| Xand3r | and was not in that mood to do it, verry tired the hole day | 21:45 |
| hunger | Xand3r: Great:-) I don't need the deb that urgent, but it is good to know somebody is working on it. | 21:45 |
| vorian | Xand3r: what do you have left to complete with digikam? | 21:46 |
| Xand3r | and you have no fun with uploading the source of digikam, if you have only 9kb/s upstream | 21:46 |
| hunger | Xand3r: Knowing somebody does work on it makes me looking forward to update my installation each morning;-) | 21:46 |
| Xand3r | vorian: somthing with the pictures, but if i change something i konw after compiling if it works, but thats thake much time-,- | 21:47 |
| vorian | Riddell: kstars and indi both include the indiserver binary, i'll remove it from kstars.install | 21:48 |
| Xand3r | hunger: thats why i update more times the day^^ | 21:48 |
| hunger | Xand3r: Can you use CCache? That speeds up things for me a lot. | 21:48 |
| hunger | things == rebuilding stuff over and over. | 21:48 |
| vorian | Xand3r: do you have your latest work on revu? :) | 21:48 |
| Xand3r | vorian: nop | 21:49 |
| Xand3r | you know i takes to mich time | 21:49 |
| Xand3r | and debuild -S includes the source on my pc -.- | 21:49 |
| Xand3r | so every change take 1 hour | 21:49 |
| vorian | Xand3r: can you upload what you have? we'll see what more needs to be done :) | 21:49 |
| vorian | 1 hour! | 21:50 |
| vorian | yikes | 21:50 |
| Xand3r | ofcours | 21:50 |
| JontheEchidna | is it failing in dh_install? | 21:50 |
| JontheEchidna | or during the actual compiling? | 21:50 |
| Xand3r | dh: | 21:50 |
| Xand3r | dh_ | 21:50 |
| JontheEchidna | if it's doing the dh_ stuff just use debuild -nc | 21:51 |
| JontheEchidna | that way you don't have to compile everything again | 21:51 |
| Xand3r | JontheEchidna: i have no intrepid | 21:51 |
| Xand3r | so i have to do i with pbuilder | 21:51 |
| JontheEchidna | ouch | 21:51 |
| Xand3r | and that clears the cache after every compiling-.- | 21:51 |
| * JontheEchidna feels your pain | 21:51 | |
| Xand3r | thx | 21:52 |
| Xand3r | i have realy no fun staring working on digikam -.- the pbuilder might take hours-.- | 21:53 |
| Xand3r | i need a better inet and a better pc | 21:53 |
| Xand3r | is there some one sponsoring me? | 21:53 |
| * vorian waves | 21:53 | |
| Xand3r | vorian: you? | 21:56 |
| vorian | yes :) | 21:57 |
| Xand3r | realy? | 21:57 |
| Xand3r | i have i somthing said wrong, did you get me wrong or do you real want to buy me a new computer? | 21:58 |
| JontheEchidna | Xand3r: I think he meant he'd testbuild stuff for you | 21:59 |
| JontheEchidna | he did that for me when we worked on koffice2 | 21:59 |
| Xand3r | ah | 21:59 |
| Xand3r | nice | 21:59 |
| vorian | haha | 21:59 |
| vorian | sorry to get your hopes up | 21:59 |
| Xand3r | hmm | 22:00 |
| vorian | i meant i would help you build it | 22:00 |
| Xand3r | vorian: thx | 22:00 |
| Xand3r | gnaaa i think i know my fault now | 22:00 |
| Xand3r | yea | 22:09 |
| Xand3r | debuild -S -sd is the solution^^ | 22:10 |
| vorian | :) | 22:10 |
| Xand3r | so now i have to wait for revu, hope revu likes my solution | 22:11 |
| vorian | :) | 22:12 |
| Xand3r | vorian: the funny thing is, i have red this help much times, but now i got it | 22:12 |
| vorian | yay! | 22:12 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: you are going to be at the meeting and your wiki page is up to date? ;-) | 22:12 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: meeting in 45 minutes (in case you forgot) | 22:15 |
| Xand3r | vorian: when the new version of digikam is on revu, could you test build it? | 22:16 |
| Xand3r | that would be realy nice | 22:16 |
| vorian | Xand3r: yepper | 22:16 |
| Xand3r | vorian: thx | 22:17 |
| Xand3r | vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4 | 22:17 |
| Xand3r | i have to wrte the solution down before i forget it | 22:18 |
| vorian | Xand3r: you didn't upload the orig.tar.gz | 22:18 |
| Xand3r | righty | 22:18 |
| Xand3r | that is why it workt so fast | 22:18 |
| Xand3r | take the one from the upload befor | 22:19 |
| Xand3r | i changed nothing on the source | 22:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Nightrose: got to add my 4.1 final packaging thingies | 22:19 |
| JontheEchidna | then it'll be complete | 22:19 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: go go go! | 22:19 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 22:19 |
| JontheEchidna | ;-) | 22:20 |
| vorian | Xand3r: revu is not that crafty, i'm afraid | 22:21 |
| Xand3r | vorian: who are the admins^^ | 22:22 |
| Xand3r | i have learned to talk with the devels helps^^ | 22:22 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: ping me when your page is ready so I can have a look before the meeting :) | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 22:24 |
| Xand3r | vorian: have you start the building? how much cores has your pc? | 22:26 |
| JontheEchidna | Nightrose: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jonathan265 | 22:30 |
| Nightrose | thanks :) | 22:30 |
| JontheEchidna | np | 22:31 |
| mhb | greetings from an ex-KDE fan | 22:32 |
| Riddell | hi mhb | 22:33 |
| Riddell | looksee what I've just done http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/gdebi-kde_0.3.12_all.deb | 22:33 |
| kwwii | lol, you cannot install it with gdebi | 22:34 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 22:34 |
| kwwii | gdebi-core is needed it seems | 22:35 |
| Riddell | well sure | 22:35 |
| Riddell | gdebi should work that out for you | 22:35 |
| kwwii | nope, it gives me an error | 22:35 |
| Arby | same here | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | ... well ain't this a bitch, I have to go to town >:( | 22:36 |
| * JontheEchidna curses | 22:36 | |
| kwwii | "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: gdebi-core" | 22:36 |
| vorian | wha! | 22:36 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: really? | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | srsly | 22:36 |
| kwwii | Riddell: my system is running hardy, naturally | 22:36 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: oh, it won't work there I'm afraid | 22:37 |
| kwwii | Riddell: that would explain the error then :-) | 22:37 |
| Riddell | Arby: how did extragear for hardy go? | 22:37 |
| Arby | Riddell: not finished yet, I ran out of time | 22:39 |
| Arby | I should have time to do more tomorrow evening | 22:39 |
| Arby | sorry | 22:39 |
| Riddell | Arby: no problem, just when you can | 22:41 |
| vorian | Arby: what needs to be done yet? | 22:42 |
| vorian | kgraph, kiconedit, gopher, kmldonkey, kpov, skanlite | 22:43 |
| Riddell | meeting in a couple of minutes? | 22:58 |
| seele | yep | 22:58 |
| Riddell | ping Nightrose, nixternal, yuriy | 22:58 |
| * Nightrose popups | 22:58 | |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 22:58 |
| Xand3r | what is with apachelogger | 22:58 |
| Nightrose | he seems to be afk | 22:59 |
| Nightrose | probably sleeping already | 22:59 |
| Nightrose | yea offline in jabber as well | 22:59 |
| Tm_T | hi hi kids | 22:59 |
| Nightrose | heya Tm_T :) | 23:00 |
| Riddell | Good Evening Friends | 23:01 |
| Riddell | it seems JontheEchidna | 23:01 |
| Riddell | isn't here | 23:01 |
| Riddell | smarter: want to introduce your item? | 23:02 |
| smarter | okay ;) | 23:03 |
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| smarter | I think we should package everything using bazaar | 23:03 |
| smarter | (everything = kde4 stuff) | 23:03 |
| Riddell | well, we tried that a while ago | 23:03 |
| Riddell | and it didn't work because it's extra hassle | 23:03 |
| Riddell | but, good news! | 23:04 |
| Riddell | james_w is working on making it no extra hassle | 23:04 |
| smarter | what's the extra hassle? | 23:04 |
| smarter | bzr-builddeb is really handy | 23:04 |
| Riddell | I've looked at the bzr-builddeb docs and never managed to work out what it does | 23:04 |
| Riddell | maybe we should have a tutorial sometime | 23:04 |
| smarter | I can make a howto if you want | 23:04 |
| smarter | yep | 23:05 |
| smarter | I use it for all my packaging | 23:05 |
| Nightrose | smarter: can you explain a little what it does? | 23:05 |
| smarter | there's many way to use it, let's assume we use the "merge" mode, where we only package the debian/ dir | 23:05 |
| smarter | bzr bd will download the orig.tar.gz using some magics, and built it for you | 23:05 |
| smarter | so to see if a new version work with your packaging, you just have to do dch -i | 23:06 |
| smarter | (magics = trying file in ../tarballs, then debian/watch, then apt-get source) | 23:06 |
| smarter | and bzr diff is helpful to see what changed between ubuntuX and ubuntuY, useful for backports | 23:07 |
| smarter | if you need to have access to the tarball, you can use bzr bd-do, which unpack the tarball, copy the debian and copy only changes made to the debian dir when you exit | 23:08 |
| smarter | useful for patching | 23:08 |
| yuriy | evening (wow it's 6 already!) | 23:08 |
| smarter | evening yuriy | 23:08 |
| Nightrose | smarter: how hard is it for people who are new to packaging? | 23:08 |
| Nightrose | on a scale of 1 to 10 | 23:09 |
| smarter | hmm, 4? (: | 23:09 |
| Tm_T | perhaps compared to "normal way" ? | 23:09 |
| Nightrose | ;-) ok | 23:09 |
| smarter | we just need a good howto(and I'm writing one :P) | 23:09 |
| yuriy | smarter: perhaps add it to the packaging guide? | 23:10 |
| smarter | yuriy: probably | 23:10 |
| yuriy | on that note, the kde packaging wiki pages probably need some updating too | 23:10 |
| smarter | Tm_T: not sure, I think it's easier | 23:10 |
| vorian | smarter: it's another step though, you still need to know how to package | 23:11 |
| smarter | other useful stuff you can do with bzr: "bzr diff" will show the differences between the last commit and your changes, it's handy if you want to write good debian/changelog | 23:12 |
| Nightrose | smarter: once you finished it feel free to poke me to have a look at it from a packaging-noob POV ;-) | 23:12 |
| vorian | i think it would be very handy on the core packages | 23:12 |
| smarter | Nightrose: If i put it at the end of the PackagingGuide, I'll assume people now a bit about packaging :P | 23:12 |
| smarter | s/now/know§ | 23:13 |
| Nightrose | smarter: sure | 23:14 |
| Nightrose | still imagine someone new to packaging | 23:14 |
| Nightrose | he reads the packaging guide from start to end | 23:14 |
| Nightrose | that doesn't necessarily make him a perfect packager does it ;-) | 23:14 |
| smarter | yep :P | 23:14 |
| Riddell | I'll look forward to the howto, I guess I'll need to try it to see if it's as easy as apt-get source, edit, dput | 23:15 |
| Riddell | but as I say, james_w is working on makeing it all integrate in a transparent way | 23:15 |
| kwwii | sorry for missing the beginning of the meeting | 23:16 |
| smarter | it's a bit harder when you start, but when you get used to it you'll not want to use anything else :P | 23:16 |
| smarter | so, does anyone see any disadvantage of bzr? | 23:16 |
| smarter | s/bzr/using bzr for packaging/ even | 23:16 |
| Riddell | still potentially extra hassle | 23:16 |
| Tm_T | kwwii: welcome and hi son :) | 23:17 |
| seele | Tm_T: i think he's back from a netsplit | 23:17 |
| Tm_T | seele: yes, son :) | 23:17 |
| vorian | smarter: it's not local? | 23:17 |
| smarter | (yay for netsplit in the middle of a meeting) | 23:17 |
| smarter | vorian: what is not local? | 23:17 |
| kwwii | Tm_T: thanks, and no it was not a netsplit, it was me coming back by loging back into the server | 23:17 |
| kwwii | anyway, full steam ahead | 23:18 |
| Riddell | I know seb128 from the gnome team has tried it and found it all extra hassle | 23:18 |
| smarter | well, I'm using it for all my packages and have yet to see that extra hassle :P | 23:18 |
| Riddell | talking about packaging, cdbs might momentarily now so kde4.mk should be part of cdbs | 23:18 |
| smarter | (https://code.launchpad.net/~smarter) | 23:18 |
| kwwii | Riddell: for people like myself using just bzr is pretty nice | 23:19 |
| smarter | Medibuntu already use it for all packages | 23:19 |
| Riddell | smarter: I'll try it when you write the howto and consider it from there :) | 23:19 |
| kwwii | but I know that seb doesn't like it...he sees it as extra work I think | 23:19 |
| smarter | okay | 23:19 |
| Riddell | yuriy: apport? | 23:20 |
| yuriy | yep | 23:21 |
| yuriy | forgot link: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-June/002336.html | 23:21 |
| yuriy | I think it would be good to switch off the KDE crash handler so we get better crash reports from apport | 23:22 |
| yuriy | in general the crash reports would then have to be forwarded upstream, but that is the same as with bugs filed now | 23:23 |
| Riddell | I think that's just a case of removing drkonqi from kdebase-runtime | 23:23 |
| smarter | what's "automatic retracing"? | 23:23 |
| yuriy | the reports would be better but there would be more of them and they are private by default | 23:23 |
| Riddell | smarter: the backtrace gets uploaded to launchpad bugs which can download the debugging symbols and fill in all the gaps automatically | 23:24 |
| yuriy | smarter: apport uploads the full core dump, then the servers can use that to create a new backtrace with debugging symbols, regardless of whether the trace uploaded by the user was any good | 23:24 |
| smarter | wow, cool | 23:24 |
| Riddell | yuriy says it better :) | 23:24 |
| yuriy | so I think Riddell answered the how. so concerns are: Do we have the manpower? Do people know how to deal with apport reports? (smarter, txwikinger?) | 23:25 |
| Riddell | yuriy: actually I just tried it and it doesn't seem to work | 23:26 |
| Nightrose | yuriy: how many people triage private kde bugs? | 23:26 |
| Nightrose | ie: make them public when needed | 23:26 |
| yuriy | Nightrose: I don't know of any private kde bugs right now | 23:26 |
| Nightrose | ok then who do you see doing it if there are any after turning on apport | 23:28 |
| yuriy | Riddell: doesn't work to disable the crash handler? | 23:28 |
| Nightrose | i can imagine smarter, txwikinger, apachelogger and you | 23:28 |
| Nightrose | who else? | 23:28 |
| Riddell | yuriy: actually I can't get it to work on non-KDE apps | 23:28 |
| Riddell | yuriy: well, let's talk to pitti and work out what needs done to get it working | 23:29 |
| yuriy | Riddell: enabled in /etc/default/apport? | 23:29 |
| yuriy | Nightrose: that's primarily it | 23:30 |
| Nightrose | *nod* | 23:30 |
| Riddell | yuriy: it was not | 23:30 |
| Riddell | yuriy: still doesn't want to work for me, using kill -SEGV on gnome-terminal | 23:31 |
| yuriy | Riddell: will have to talk to pitti then. I don't know if maybe something's changed with that.. | 23:31 |
| JontheEchidna | back | 23:31 |
| JontheEchidna | how much did I miss? | 23:32 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't get why he had to go mulch shopping in the first place | 23:32 | |
| Nightrose | wb JontheEchidna | 23:32 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 23:32 |
| Riddell | yuriy: yep, let's get it turned on and see how that works in terms of triage after a while | 23:32 |
| yuriy | Riddell: iirc it's also somehow connected with adept-notifier? | 23:32 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: packaging in bzr and enabeling apport for kde apps | 23:32 |
| Riddell | yuriy: yes, it looks out for things appearing in /var/crash and promps you to start apport-qt | 23:32 |
| yuriy | Riddell: OK. last question we can discuss later | 23:32 |
| Riddell | so, let's move on to... | 23:33 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna! | 23:33 |
| JontheEchidna | reporting! | 23:33 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: who are you and why do you want to be a member? | 23:33 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok | 23:33 |
| JontheEchidna | *badump* | 23:34 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: about triaging, I might be available at some point | 23:34 |
| JontheEchidna | My name is Jonathan Thomas | 23:34 |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: nice :) | 23:34 |
| JontheEchidna | I am a 16 (almost 17) year old Linux/KDE enthusiast | 23:34 |
| JontheEchidna | I would like to contribute to Kubuntu on a regular basis, plus being a member allows access to the kde4 ppa, \o/ | 23:35 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: have your parents seen http://xkcd.com/456/ | 23:35 |
| seele | yuriy: lol | 23:35 |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: my dad may have | 23:35 |
| JontheEchidna | since he's a geek too | 23:36 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: you seem to have an interest in plasma, do you think it's the future of the desktop? | 23:36 |
| JontheEchidna | yup! | 23:36 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: hmm, how would you contribute to Kubuntu? as in, what's your itch? | 23:37 |
| JontheEchidna | Well, I have been working on packaging as of late | 23:37 |
| Riddell | his wiki page is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Jonathan265 | 23:37 |
| JontheEchidna | Though I also lurk regularly in #kubuntu-kde4 for user support | 23:37 |
| kwwii | hoorah for the crazy guy! :p | 23:37 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, just read that^ | 23:37 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: what is something you would want change in the current desktop? | 23:37 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: oh, danke sehr :) | 23:37 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: support is <3 | 23:38 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: This is my vision for Intrepid: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDesktopDefaults | 23:38 |
| jussi01 | I would Like to give a big +1 for JontheEchidna - he has been a great help in #kubuntu-kde4 as well as I have seen him active in other places also. :) | 23:38 |
| Nightrose | I like the plasma packaging | 23:38 |
| Nightrose | and he has been flooding my inbox with bugmail | 23:39 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: have you looked at the Lancelot menu? | 23:39 |
| vorian | I'll cheer for JontheEchidna! | 23:39 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: so you probably have some input for the default plasmoids :) | 23:39 |
| * Tm_T hugs jussi01 | 23:39 | |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I've been keeping tabs on the author's blog | 23:39 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll reserve an opinion on it for when I actually test it | 23:40 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: might be interesting to have a package of it (probably not in the archive until it's stable, but just so people can have a look) | 23:40 |
| JontheEchidna | Raptor looks pretty cool too but it's a bit vaporwareish, unfortunately | 23:40 |
| * seele wants a krunner plasmoid *hint* | 23:40 | |
| * Nightrose wants http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Flickr+Plasmoid?content=83246 *hint* :P | 23:41 | |
| vorian | hehe | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 23:41 |
| Riddell | any more questions for JontheEchidna? | 23:41 |
| seele | Nightrose: hehe | 23:41 |
| vorian | plus, he's a ninja | 23:41 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: what was the reaction to kde 4.1 in #kubuntu-kde4 | 23:41 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: one question, can I rely on you when my bones are aching with pyqt4 ? | 23:41 |
| seele | Nightrose: doesn't that already exist? | 23:41 |
| Nightrose | seele: ? | 23:42 |
| JontheEchidna | Tm_T: I'm still a bit fresh with pyqt, but I'll see what I can do | 23:42 |
| Nightrose | the plasmoid? | 23:42 |
| JontheEchidna | I can code apps and stuff | 23:42 |
| Nightrose | there is a picture plasmoid | 23:42 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: how much are you planning on working on kubuntu stuff during the school year? | 23:42 |
| JontheEchidna | but I still need experience | 23:42 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: thanks son :) | 23:42 |
| Nightrose | but the flickr one displays flickr photos | 23:42 |
| seele | Nightrose: there is a flickr plasmoid in ghns | 23:42 |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: school time will obviously limit how much I can contribute | 23:42 |
| Nightrose | seele: that is probably the same one then | 23:42 |
| Nightrose | but not packaged | 23:43 |
| JontheEchidna | I won't be able to do irc all day | 23:43 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: good :) | 23:43 |
| seele | it's not in extragear? or whatever extragear turned in to? | 23:43 |
| seele | oh, no, nevermind.. hns | 23:43 |
| * seele cooked with wine tonight | 23:43 | |
| JontheEchidna | but I am homeschooled ;-) | 23:43 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 23:44 |
| * Nightrose feels ignored and points to her question above :P | 23:44 | |
| JontheEchidna | which question was that? | 23:44 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: what was the reaction to kde 4.1 in #kubuntu-kde4 | 23:44 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 23:44 |
| JontheEchidna | from what I gathered | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | upgrades from rc1 went much smoother | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | people like to whine about how much the systray sucks | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | but overall the reaction is good | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | hehe yea | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | seen that | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | ok cool | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | big +1 from me | 23:45 |
| stdin | people just like to whine. | 23:45 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: hmm, what's biggest whine about systray? | 23:46 |
| yuriy | big +1 from me too. lots of great work on every front, JontheEchidna | 23:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Tm_T: it looks like ass with transparent panels | 23:46 |
| seele | +1 | 23:46 |
| Riddell | +1 for packaging plasma love | 23:46 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: ah, irrelevant mostly, I guess | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: i expect you to bribe me with http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Flickr+Plasmoid?content=83246 ;-) | 23:46 |
| claydoh | +1 of course | 23:46 |
| Riddell | looking forward to more plasma and non-plasma packages :) | 23:46 |
| seele | Nightrose: no way, i'm first | 23:46 |
| Tm_T | +1 from me, from old heart of mine | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 23:46 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: krunner plasmoid! | 23:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Nightrose, Riddell: will do ;-) | 23:46 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: welcome to membership | 23:47 |
| stdin | +1 for previous contributions | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 23:47 |
| vorian | yay JontheEchidna !!!! | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: I haven't seen that one | 23:47 |
| Nightrose | congratulations JontheEchidna | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | coolness | 23:47 |
| Tm_T | JontheEchidna: welcome :) | 23:47 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: so, default plasmoids? | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | right | 23:48 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: congrats. be sure to add your blog to planet, saw some nice screenshots on there | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I installed Intrepid over the weekend | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | and I saw that kdeplasma-addons was included by default | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | that's cool | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | but I'd like to go beyond the default KDE settings for Intrepid | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Bring back the best of our customized KDE3 desktop where possible | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | See: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDesktopDefaults | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | For that to be fully implemented it would require to also have plasmoid-quickaccess installed by default | 23:50 |
| smarter | last time I tried plasmoid-quickaccess it did not work at all | 23:50 |
| JontheEchidna | smarter: plasma has been breaking binary compat in the prerelease cycle pretty consistently | 23:51 |
| seele | is it just kubuntu or does firefox3 look ugly in all kde4? | 23:51 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: requires gtk-qt-engine-kde4 to look presentable | 23:51 |
| Tm_T | seele: you mean "no gtk engine looking good" ? | 23:51 |
| Tm_T | ^ | 23:51 |
| Riddell | smarter: seems to work here | 23:51 |
| seele | i guess? why wasn't that installed as a dependency? | 23:52 |
| Nightrose | seele: gtk-qt-engine-kde4 (i think) and apachelogger's theme - looks _very_ sweet here | 23:52 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: at the moment it's quite buggy, especially wiht firefox3 | 23:52 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: and when will gtk-qt-engine-kde4 be finished? | 23:52 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: no clue, I'm not maintaining it :P | 23:52 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell does right? | 23:53 |
| yuriy | no | 23:53 |
| yuriy | Wubbbi: I'll get you the link to the upstream dev site later | 23:53 |
| JontheEchidna | by the way, free software is never "finished" :P | 23:53 |
| Wubbbi | yuriy: ok | 23:53 |
| JontheEchidna | Anyway, any comments on my proposed default desktop? | 23:54 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: I know :/ my kio-sysinfo will never finish too. | 23:54 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I like it | 23:54 |
| JontheEchidna | I have concocted a plasma-appletsrc for kubuntu-defaults that implements everything except the quickaccess since it's not default yet | 23:54 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I'm curious how useful quickaccess is | 23:54 |
| yuriy | what is quickaccess exactly? | 23:55 |
| JontheEchidna | it's sorta like a folderview for the panel | 23:55 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: any rationale for moving 3 and 4 to the right? | 23:55 |
| yuriy | is it like quicklauncher or like the system menu? | 23:55 |
| Nightrose | (/me has 3 and 4 on the right side as well) | 23:55 |
| Nightrose | not that that matters really | 23:55 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: ahhh right. I have another tought about kio-sysinfo Icons. The Icons are Oxygen right? right! so isnt it possible to use the system Icons. I mean to make a link, that these programm have to use these Icons, which are installed at the system. | 23:56 |
| smarter | it's the same thing we used in KDE3 for the little amarok/kopete/konqueror/etc icons on the panel, no? | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: that was sorta personal opinion, not a biggie | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | smarter: that's quicklaunch | 23:56 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: I think the device notifier should be on the right, it has similar functionality to things in the system tray | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, you have a point there | 23:56 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: I've said to you 3 or 4 times, but chht, we're in the middle of a meeting :P | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | but there was also that thing in kde3 next to the kmenu | 23:56 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: whats about my Teacooker? I Love tea :/ | 23:56 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: *I've said that | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | that when clicked gave a list of places to go to | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | and the device notifier is sorta simlar to that too | 23:57 |
| seele | i would also include the desktop icon. the big point of kde4 is the plasma desktop and without a desktop icon you have to minimize all your apps | 23:57 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: who? what? meeting? what? | 23:57 |
| smarter | Wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | 23:57 |
| Nightrose | seele: there is also a "show dashboard" plasmoid | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: you mean the show desktop widget? | 23:58 |
| yuriy | seele: or ctrl-f12 | 23:58 |
| seele | Nightrose: what does that do? i couldnt figure it out | 23:58 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: yeah | 23:58 |
| seele | yuriy: :P | 23:58 |
| Nightrose | seele: it shows the dashboard on top of the open windows | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | cryptic undiscoverable shortcuts ftw! | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | ctrl alt fnc 6 F11 | 23:58 |
| Wubbbi | smarter: uhhhhhhhhhhh ... I didn't know ... omg xD | 23:58 |
| seele | Nightrose: but then its only useful in a panel | 23:58 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: and kate steals half of them | 23:59 |
| Nightrose | seele: it is better than "minimize windows" imho since it keeps your windows untouched | 23:59 |
| Nightrose | seele: that is where i have it ;-) | 23:59 |
| seele | Nightrose: i put it on my desktop and kept on clicking it -- probably why i couldnt figure out what it did | 23:59 |
| JontheEchidna | so, do we want show dashboard, show desktop, or both? | 23:59 |
| * seele thinks the add widgets dialog needs some tooltips or better descriptions.. | 23:59 | |
| Nightrose | seele: yea probably - give it a try in the pannel | 23:59 |
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