[00:04] ScottK: have you tried KDE 4.1? do you think it's -backports material? [00:07] Riddell: I have not. [00:07] I will confess that with this new DNS cache poisoning attack I'm increasingly uncomfortable with use of unsigned repositories like PPAs. [00:08] Riddell: If a few people try it and generally find it major regression free compared to the KDE4 Remix, then I'd say go for it. [00:30] Riddell: thanks [00:51] fresh install of intrepid and i'm liking what i'm seeing ;) [00:59] is nixternal not here? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [02:06] Riddell or ryanakca: Jucato: rc mentioned on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1 . who can ammend? --> "To update to the release candidate of KDE 4.1, please follow these instructions" [02:07] Jucato: thanks, I guess it should be "To update to KDE 4.1, please..." ? [02:07] yep [02:08] or "to install KDE 4.1"... heh now I'm not sure which of the two :P [02:09] I went for update [02:09] :) [02:26] jeesh, who would have ever thought that importing folders and messages into kmail-kde4 would be such a pita [02:31] grrr [02:31] hi nixternal [02:32] howdy [02:32] looking for a new computer eh? [02:33] ya, mine keeps shuttin' down when it wants to [02:33] kmail-kde4 importing action taking place [02:33] arg, no good [02:33] 100,000 emails imported with a few million left to go! [02:33] haha [02:33] sheminie [02:33] no doubt [02:34] I have all of my original email from the 90s [02:34] how in the world did you manage that? [02:34] Slackware, SuSE, Debian, VA Linux (whoa), Corel Linux, LFS, and even BSD stuff [02:34] used Mutt forever on a server and never got rid of my old email [02:35] that is amazing [02:36] i have a few i've held on too for a few years [02:36] but [02:36] all! [02:36] hehe, ya [02:36] kudo's [02:36] even old shuttleworth posts on debian when nobody knew who he was [02:36] same with that Riddell character on Debian and KDE :) [02:36] haha [02:37] a ton of Matthew Garret Debian posts when I thought he was snooty [02:38] I am willing to bet that Matthew Garrett has the lead of most emails in my folders [02:38] yay, 9% complete with 700,000 emails imported [02:38] excellent [02:38] and very crazy [02:39] kmail-kde4 is the hottness...well kontact-kde4 that is [02:39] next is to import my contacts [02:39] i need to fix pim it seems [02:39] damn it, etc ... [02:50] just noticed that the kmail icon in the system tray isn't meant for messages over 1,000,000 new...I can't even read the amount anymore [02:50] it is so small [02:50] and it keeps disappearing [02:58] ummm, that wasn't 7 million...I have surpassed that and haven't even hit 50% yet [02:58] wth [03:01] 13 million and it says 31%..this is scary as hell [03:02] dude, that is crazy [03:03] you have that much mail? O.o [03:03] * Jucato doesn't know how he'll survive that much... [03:03] 14,000,000 and still 31% [03:04] Jucato: just "lose" some. [03:04] but it is showing that it is importing the last folder in the popup window [03:04] Hobbsee: yeah. that's how I never use up more than 10% of Gmail's capacity... [03:05] my gmail capacity is almost reached weekly with spam :P [03:05] hahah [03:05] I wished gmail would let you configure spam autodeletion time.. 30 days is just "Too Much" (TM) [03:05] oh man, now it is hitting debian [03:06] oh, that was scary, it was just a quicky import [03:07] how many in total? [03:08] 34 million [03:09] * vorian faints [07:46] Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/249156 [07:46] Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:47] can you have a look please? [07:47] thought that was known upstream bug, but fixed in trunk... not 100% sure though [08:11] morning all [08:14] morning Arby [08:16] hello kde4 ninja :) [08:16] kubuntu ninja I mean [08:18] :D [08:18] that came as a complete surprise [09:10] Nightrose: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=171000 [09:11] if you get me a .11 tarball I will upate the package [09:11] until them scru'em [09:11] *then [09:13] apachelogger: sorry - other problems right now :/ [09:13] +1 [09:19] http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/strigi [09:19] ...one day... [09:21] http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ [09:21] ok [09:21] ehm [09:22] Riddell: please sync strigi from debian [09:22] fixes bug 249156 [09:22] Launchpad bug 249156 in kdebase "KDE 4.1 rc - Dolphin 4 crashs browsing directories with video-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249156 [09:27] uploading to kde4 ppa [09:31] hi there [09:31] Riddell: my sbscription to the kubuntu-council launchpad group just expired [09:31] Riddell: could you renew it please ? [09:32] Riddell: and fyi, I'll go with 2 contrib days tomorrow and on friday... you can expect a bunch of uploads then :) [09:32] I have a few things ready for upload (kdebluetooth and so on) [10:14] apachelogger: synced [10:15] Riddell: I don't seem to be able to log on to gmail talk using kopete [10:15] Tonio_: added back [10:16] Riddell: thanks [10:17] !info libqca2-plugin-ossl [10:17] libqca2-plugin-ossl (source: qca2-plugin-ossl): QCA OSSL plugin for libqca2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~20070904-3 (hardy), package size 108 kB, installed size 348 kB [10:17] davmor2: ^ [10:17] davmor2: are you on intrepid? [10:18] yes sorry I didn't clarify that bit I'm using intrepid. Running some general smoke test to try and get rid of some of the bugs before A4 [10:19] * apachelogger didn't have time to write the MIR yet [10:19] and I guess no one else did ;_) [10:20] well as long as you know it's an issue :) I'll carry on testing :) [10:20] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32118/ languages which didn't make it into 4.1.0 - should I file a bug so we don't forget to remove them in time, or do you want to kick them out right away? [10:23] apachelogger: shrug, they don't do any harm and removing them wouldn't actually change anything (the strings would still be in launchpad) [10:23] ok [10:24] Hello :) [10:24] do we need a main inclusion review for libqca2-plugin-ossl? [10:25] hello (testing, testing, 123) [10:25] test fail. [10:25] well this seems to work okay :) [10:25] smarter: are you away? [10:25] hello davmor2 :) [10:25] hello hobbsee :) [10:26] Hobbsee: how do :) [10:27] we have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2 but I guess we need one for that plugin too [10:27] probably [10:32] Riddell: shouldn't we drop preparetips from kdelibs-bin.install or move the cdbs scripts for extracting message to that very same package? [10:33] right now one can't install kdesdk-scripts with kdelibs-bin nor can kdesdk, kdesdk-dbg and probably some other metapackages be installed [10:34] is it me or is kmail really slow at imap folder setup? It's syncing the mails quick enough just took forever to set up the folders. [10:43] apachelogger: I did drop it from kdelibs-bin.install [10:43] re [10:44] davmor2: doesn't that setup include downloading all the message headers? [10:46] Riddell: the downloading of the headers were quick. It was the folder creation that took forever. It took about 2 minutes to create the folders and about a minute after to dl the header [10:50] Riddell: as a comparison Evolution sets up the folders in about 30-40 seconds and the mail headers take about 1 minute or so. [10:51] Riddell: and if memory serves on mobile it didn't take that long either. [11:01] * smarter waves [11:02] smarter: hello :) [11:03] hi Wubbbi [11:04] smarter: can you help me a little bit? I have created the "watch" file now, and I have written the get-orig source into "Rules" ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/32130/ is that ok ? ) What to do now? [11:07] Wubbbi: you need to change a bit the get-orig-source to remove the non-free files [11:08] also, have you tried to use it? bzcat ../sysinfo-$${version}.zip is not going to work, you must use unzip with a .zip [11:09] so unzip foo.zip && \ cd foo/icons && \ rm nvidia.png bla.png bar.png && \ cd ../.. && \ tar czf foo.orig.tar.gz foo && \ rm foo.zip [11:10] so it sould call " unzip ../sysinfo-$$... " ? [11:11] smarter: and how did the system know what Icons need to add ( after they are removed ) ? [11:12] you can create a directory debian/icons and put these icons here, the use a debian/install to install them [11:12] ahhh ok [11:12] thats sounds easy :) [11:12] but you've said that they already exist in the oxygen theme no? [11:12] yes they do [11:14] Wubbbi: then, the Best Way   ® would be too patch the source to use system icons(which is oxygen for KDE4) [11:14] how to do that? [11:15] no idea :p [11:15] xD [11:15] but api.kde.org certainly knows [11:16] ok ... let us go back to remove the non-free icons. There is one point I dont understand ... foo = the programm ( sysinfo ) ? and where I have to add this line? [11:19] Wubbbi: first, make the get-orig-source work, it has to unzip, then tar czf(== create a tar.gz) sysinfo [11:19] this is basic shell, nothing difficult [11:20] the goal is that when you do debian/rules get-orig-source in a terminal, a sysinfo_1.X.X.orig.tar.gz appears in the directory [11:21] Riddell: some plasmoids don't work anymore here [11:22] Riddell: the folder view for example.... works with the hardy kde4.1 packages... [11:22] Riddell: I investigated, but didn't found the issue [11:22] Riddell: is that known problem ? [11:22] "don't work" "works" I'm confused [11:24] is there any way for kubuntu phonon to support oss4 even tho hal doesnt and therefore the generic phonon doesnt? [11:25] I don't know what oss4 is, but phonon isn't related to hal [11:25] i think phonon checks hal [11:26] for sound devices [11:26] oss open sound system [11:32] Riddell: folder view is seen as an "unknown applet" [11:33] ahh sorry to ask here this isnt the place, but freedesktop.org and phonon are very difficult places to get answers [11:33] Riddell: tried with a clean .kde, doesn't change anything [11:33] Riddell: seen as a correct applet with hardy and kde4.1 packages [11:33] Riddell: does this make sense ? [11:35] Tonio_: do you have kdebase-plasma installed? [11:36] Riddell: yup [11:36] works for me [11:36] hum weird.... I also have a couple of other issues.... [11:36] very strange [11:36] Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture89.png [11:37] that's what I have, all files are present (so and desktop) for the applet... [11:37] also with a new profile/account the problem is still there.... very weird... [11:38] retesting with a new account... [11:40] ouch kde doesn't even start with a new account... [11:40] my all installation seems to be broken.... [11:40] failsafe mode is broken too..... what the hell happens on my machine ?? [11:41] apt-get remove --purge 'kde*' [11:41] and we'll see :) [11:41] Riddell: planning to get konqueror-plugin-searchbar into main ? [11:42] Are we going to package kdebluetooth4 as -kde4 or replace the kde3 version? [11:42] Tonio_: I guess I could just promote that, it was previously in main [11:42] Riddell: I suspect so yes [11:43] Tonio_: could you take a look at the patch on bug #39383 at some point? it's pretty small and may be obsoleted by kdebluetooth4 [11:43] Launchpad bug 39383 in kdebluetooth "No icons in GNOME" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39383 [11:43] Riddell: will look [11:43] (http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84761&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=635cf6e48ecd02666435465b724aa96b) [11:44] Riddell: the autostarter we did with allee does only start with kde, obviously.... [11:44] Riddell: I can change that with the next upload [11:44] Tonio_: (I'm not saying the patch is correct) [11:45] Riddell: I just clicked on about kubuntu it dies. The follow error is shown "the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist." should it read help://? [11:45] ah, docs [11:45] they need rewritten for KDE 4 really [11:46] nixternal: should we put a call out for someone to do KDE 4 docs? [11:47] do you want a report making out as a reminder Riddell? [11:47] davmor2: yeah [11:47] np's [11:50] gah! my bad sorry Riddell I forgot to put the link to Meetings wiki when I did the topic :/ [11:51] Jucato: what's that? [11:52] Riddell: I forgot to link to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings in the topic :/ [11:53] Jucato: it's in this channel too [11:53] i have changed pbuilder-dist/etc/hardy/apt.conf , how i can get pbuilder-dist use it? [11:53] Riddell: heh nvm :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Happy 4.1 Day | Next meeting: Wednesday 30 July, 22:00 UTC at #kubuntu-devel - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [11:55] Riddell: bug 253244 [11:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/253244 [11:56] Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253244 [11:56] Launchpad bug 253244 in kubuntu-docs "Intrepid: About Kubuntu clashes." [Undecided,New] [11:58] Xand3r: try running pbuilder-dist with --override-config [11:58] smarter: thx [11:58] Xand3r: if it doesn't work pbuilder-dist intrepid login, add whatever you needs to /etc/apt/sources.list, exit, launch pbuilder-dist intrepid update --override-config [12:00] hi [12:00] hi danimo [12:01] does anyone know why why kubuntu-kde4-desktop does not seem to depend on libkonq5-templates? [12:01] smarter: thx first solution worked fine [12:01] (or any of its subpackages, e.g. konqueror-kde4 or dolphin-kde4 ? [12:05] danimo: konqueror-kde4 depends on libkonq5 which depends on libkonq5-templates [12:06] smarter: but konqueror-kde4 is installed here, and it didnt't pull the dependency... [12:06] are you using KDE4 PPA or just hardy repos? [12:06] PPA [12:06] for 4.1 [12:07] so apt-cache show konqueror-kde4|grep libkonq5 [12:07] is there plans on adding neon to intrepid in the ear future? [12:07] should return something [12:08] smarter: you most likely need spaces in there [12:08] smarter: it failes there way you haveit [12:08] gnomefreak: I think the schudule might just allow Amarok 2 to slip in. [12:08] gnomefreak: pipes work without space here [12:08] hi there [12:08] i just tested [12:09] just tested too :} [12:09] smarter: it doesnt output anything [12:09] im not using the PPA since im on intrepid [12:09] gnomefreak: there's no konqueror-kde4 in intrepid, just konqueror [12:10] danimo: what's the output of dpkg -l|grep libkonq5 ? [12:10] ah its been changed [12:10] ii libkonq5 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 core libraries for Konqueror [12:10] ii libkonq5-templates 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 data files for the Konqueror libraries [12:11] smarter: (I installed it) [12:11] danimo: apt-cache rdepends libkonq5-templates [12:12] Riddell: the 'kate doesn't quit properly' is bug [12:12] happens on windows as well [12:12] and apparently also for kopete [12:13] Reverse Depends: [12:13] |libkonq5 [12:13] libkonq5 [12:13] strange [12:14] and same thing for libkonq5? [12:14] apachelogger: is known bug? [12:15] didn't look at bugs.kde.org [12:15] danimo: is it a known bug that kate doesn't quit properly? [12:15] danimo: see kate -> file -> quit vs. kate -> kwin's close button [12:16] apachelogger: no idea + out for lunch [12:16] bbl [12:16] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492231 please help me dealing with this strange guys :D [12:17] Debian bug 492231 in general "general: unable to mount fixed drives" [Important,Open] [12:18] this guys are telling me strange things, and are even talking about your distro [12:18] Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libkonq5-templates | kdesktop [12:18] smarter: ^ [12:18] maybe I should count how many of this deps I find [12:19] at least 3 this week already [12:19] Oo [12:19] goto the "Mmmm, i'll ask kubuntu people..." point, if you don't want to read the whole page... [12:21] smarter: hmmm ... sorry I have been away ^^ So is this like this ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/32163/ [12:22] Notch-1: indeed, we patch KDE to allow mounting of NTFS disks, but it's not totally insecure since it requires sudo password [12:22] nono, it's not a ntfs thing [12:22] it's fixed disks thing [12:22] someone messed up when they built akonadi [12:23] in the PPA [12:23] Wubbbi: gzip is for file, tar(.gz) is for directories, you're unziping a directory and gunzipping it without putting it in a tar first, it's not going to work [12:23] smarter, danimo: Uploading to kde4 (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): [12:23] kdebase-kde4_4.1.0-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2.dsc: done. [12:23] this guys are telling me that thanks to the debian policy i can't mount fixed drive with hal... [12:23] libkonq5 fixed [12:23] Notch-1: what is a fixed drive? [12:23] Notch-1: what do you mean by fixed drive? [12:23] heh :P [12:23] smarter: and how should it call now? [12:24] a internal hard-disk [12:24] sorry :P [12:24] read the first post, it's all clearly explained [12:25] well [12:25] it defenitely got to do with permissions [12:26] yes, i think so [12:26] but i tried everything... [12:26] we patched kdebase to launch kdesu to mount drives when you click on them [12:26] smarter: ok ... so that mean ... I unzip it. Then it is a normal folder. And then I have to tar.gz it wo make a orig.tar.gz?! ... Now to write it down to the rules? [12:26] Wubbbi: yes [12:26] and this guys won't tell me where to find a configuration file to change this behavior :D [12:26] Wubbbi: remove the "| gunzip -bla" part [12:27] smarter: "gzip -9fn -c - > \" this? [12:27] smarter: you mean that dolphin is launched with root permission?? [12:27] Notch-1: no [12:27] nice [12:28] you click on the disk, a popup appears and ask for your password, it mount the disks, then you can use it [12:28] ah, i don't have this on my kubuntu [12:28] i just click [12:29] smarter: ok I have removed it ... and now? [12:29] what I need to add? [12:29] Wubbbi: replace it by "&& \" (every line should finish with that, except the last one) [12:29] it's a fresh version, downloaded 2 days ago, when i started to talk with this people :DDD [12:29] Wubbbi: and add a line to create the tar.gz [12:30] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff [12:30] Notch-1: if you have already used kdesu/sudo before, maybe it will not ask for your password a second time [12:30] smarter: ufff ... how should it call? I never done this. I allways make a right klick and then "archive it to ... " ^^ [12:30] Notch-1: kde4? ;-) [12:30] smarter: nono, even in livecd mode [12:30] Wubbbi: use the man page, or tar --help [12:31] apachelogger: nope :D [12:31] Notch-1: that's normal, there's no password in the livecd [12:31] righto [12:31] ah, right :D [12:31] no password so that users can't lock themselfs out ;-) [12:31] i had istalled it now, let's try :D [12:31] hehehe [12:31] now, tell the Debian people we don't make insecures things ;) [12:32] smarter: forgive me, but still no password, installed mode this time :D [12:32] :DDD [12:32] debian people are very strange [12:32] i'm shamed to use debian, since some days :D [12:32] hmm, strange [12:33] eh, what you can tell me about them? [12:33] Riddell: any ideas on when amorok2 might make it into Kubuntu? [12:33] davmor2: amarok-kde4 [12:33] davmor2: it's already in Intrepid [12:33] hardy as well [12:33] just to undestand if i have to trash my live debian system that cost me 2 years of work to make it run on evry pc, with all i need... [12:33] not on the cd's though [12:34] davmor2: no, they don't want it on the CDs for intrepid [12:35] smarter: tar -cjf archiv.tar.gz ??? [12:35] apachelogger: what does that change? [12:35] Riddell: version typo [12:35] Riddell: Why? Will it not be stable enough or something? [12:36] Riddell: someone replaced any 4.0.98 in the control with 4.1.0 causing the conflict to make the package uninstallable [12:36] ktorrent fits into that doesnt quit properly [12:36] apachelogger: ah [12:36] smarter: i double checked it, it is still not asking anything (in the installed version)... is there a way to flush possible cached password? [12:37] davmor2: no way to tell [12:37] apachelogger: uploaded, thakns [12:37] thanks [12:38] smarter: ok it was cached, now is asking... but i never checked the "don't ask again" ckbox, butmaybe i'm wrong... [12:38] K3b "Unable to find dvd+rw-format executable. K3b uses dvd+rw-format to format DVD-RW's and DVD+RW's. Solution: Install the dvd+rw-tools package." [12:38] should this be installed by default or not? [12:39] davmor2: guess so [12:40] I'll report it then Riddell :) [12:40] davmor2: hmm, actually I have it installed and still get that message [12:40] Bug with K3b then maybe? [12:41] davmor2: yep [12:41] Notch-1: it's always cached for a certain amount of time, no checkbox [12:42] smarter: is that right? [12:42] Wubbbi: tar czf bla.orig.tar.gz bla [12:42] ohh ok thx [12:43] what is the last bla about? [12:43] Wubbbi: The folder. [12:43] and that should be? [12:44] Wubbbi: [12:45] yo yo [12:45] ok [12:46] * Riddell out for a bit [12:47] Riddell: bug 253253 [12:47] Launchpad bug 253253 in k3b "Intrepid: Kubuntu K3b error message... Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253253 [12:47] smarter: ah,thanks [12:47] i'm new with working systems :DD [12:48] it was so beautiful, when i asked why i had to do things by hand they told me that linux in not windows :DDDDDDDD [12:50] Oo [12:50] linux is not awkward either [12:50] * apachelogger shudders [12:51] i'm about to trash debian shit and make my system work on kubuntu :D [12:51] i have some strange needs, like loop device mounted root, and so on... i spent much time so set all up, what a waste of time... [12:53] are there significant things i better know about kubuntu, before the exorcism? :DD [12:53] any different way to handle things... [12:54] re [12:54] (in a few words, will be enough) [12:54] Riddell: I just purged k* and reinstalled kubutu-desktop, didn't change anything on my side [12:54] Riddell: would be interesting that you create a new user and test... [12:54] Riddell: I can't even open a kde session with a new user in the first place [12:55] or any other person interested in testing.... [12:56] although, now I reinstalled everything, my kde3 apps using the systray don't go in the tray anymore.... I just get small windows including the icon.... I may miss a kde3 package [12:57] Riddell: any idea of the package required for this ? [12:59] !info libfacile-dev intrepid [12:59] Package libfacile-dev does not exist in intrepid [13:00] apachelogger: do you experience any problems with the folder view plasmoid ? [13:00] * apachelogger doesn't use folderview ;-) [13:00] Nightrose: you use it, don't you? [13:01] i do [13:01] Nightrose: and it works ? [13:01] jep [13:01] no problems here [13:01] though this is not a fresh install [13:02] Tonio_: what is the problem? [13:02] apachelogger: some applets are dead and just don't work [13:02] apachelogger: I suspect a problem with xdg [13:03] apachelogger: with my "tonio" account, my desktop folder is /home/tonio/Desktop [13:03] apachelogger: when I create a new account, the desktop folder is translated /home/tonio/Bureau [13:03] apachelogger: kde doesn't even start [13:03] that can make sense [13:04] would be quite strange [13:04] folderview should use kstandarddirs I guess [13:04] apachelogger: the point is that I kde doesn't start when I create a new account [13:04]