=== elkbuntu is now known as elky === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [06:35] Oh hey, how can I make a persistent mount with fstab, yet ensure that if it doesn't mount, things can't write to where the mount would be? [06:38] DanaG, mount a readonly tmpfs beforehand? [06:38] Hmm, that's an idea. [06:38] oh actually [06:38] you could just set the permissions [06:38] when the new mount goes up, it uses permissions from the new fs [06:39] so set the only one like 444 or whichever [06:39] er old one* [06:49] oh hey, does nv driver do suspend? [06:50] I'm setting up an older laptop (GeForce 420 Go) as a server, so I want it to run X to be vnc'able, but I don't need fancyness. [06:50] DanaG: No. [06:50] isn't there a hack involving a kernel module? [06:50] DanaG: Not unless you use mjg's nv_bios module :) [06:50] What's that? [06:51] And does it also fix nouveau? [06:51] a kernel module [06:51] A bios module to make nv suspend. [06:51] s/bios/kernel/ [06:51] DanaG: It should fix nouveau*, but didn't work when I tried it. [06:51] Did I show you the HP "BIOS Setup" emulator that seems to be UEFI? [06:52] Speaking of VNC, when will whatever is preventing vino from starting when you enable remote desktop be fixed? [06:52] With a very important *: it doesn't save or restore the 3d state, so if nouveau is providing any acceleration at all, it won't work on resume. [06:52] DanaG: Yeah. Interesting. [06:52] GeForce 420 Go.... is not really much acceleration anyways. [06:52] =þ [06:52] There's _plenty_ of acceleration available on that. [06:52] any acceleration it does offer would be obiterated by VNC anyway since VNC is godawfully slow [06:53] I'm not talking 3d; nouveau uses the 3d engine to accelerate 2d. [06:53] With 32 megs of video RAM... compiz == ouch. [06:53] And only 256 megs of system RAM. [06:53] And you can _really_ notice unaccelerated 2d. [06:53] * crdlb begs to differ [06:53] Oh yeah, is there a more readable sort of CPU ID sort of thingy? [06:53] like CPU-Z? [06:54] crdlb: Ok. _I_ can really notice unaccelerated 2d :P [06:54] anyone know if there are plans to add zsnes to intrepid amd64? [06:54] RAOF: I meant that in response to < DanaG> With 32 megs of video RAM... compiz == ouch. [06:54] crdlb: Ah. Right. [06:55] voidmage: Last time I looked, zsnes wasn't 64bit safe. If you can fix it up so that it'll actually run on x86-64, please attach the patch to a bug ;) [06:55] If I try wobbly with it...... [06:55] can you say, OOM? [06:55] Out Of Memory. [06:55] Wobbly doesn't consume GPU memory. [06:55] Hmm, this is not very useful: [06:55] vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 2 model name : Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.60GHz stepping : 7 [06:56] Umm... tell me.... [06:56] Although nvidia's poor t_f_p support for that card will hinder you a bit. [06:56] is that P3-celeron, or P4 celeron? [06:56] 1.6GHz sounds like a P4 [06:56] Or a Core2 celeron? :) [06:56] Nope. [06:56] With a GeForce 420? [06:56] does it matter? it's a celeron :> [06:56] =þ [06:57] The Athlon XP laptop with the Savage is faster... but it gets hard-lockups. [06:57] * RAOF can remember when celerons were highly sought after performance parts. [06:57] Tualitin P3s topped out abotu about 1.4GHz iirc, Intel just couldn't push P3 higher. What's funny though is at those clockspeeds, P3 was faster than P4 which is why Intel killed tualitin :P [06:58] Of course, that was when they had _no_ L2 cache at all so they could be easily and reliably overclocked. [06:58] I remember seeing Slot 1 "vegetables" with a 66 MHz bus speed. [06:59] Celerons were 66MHz FSB well into the S370 P3 cores [06:59] Actually calling it a "vegetable" is at least a bit funnier than calling it "celery". === lsd_ is now known as stefanlsd === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === RAOF is now known as ROAF [08:38] trying to go from hardy to ibex using update-manager -d but it doesn't give the option, what to do? [08:39] vega--: what does ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release-development show? [08:40] mvo: there's no such file [08:40] the .update-manager-core dir is there [08:41] does /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades have anything to do with this? ie. enforcing some strict "LTS policy" ... [08:42] vega--: you need -c as well [08:42] -c is needed to get "away" from LTS, -d is for non-releases [08:43] Flannel: nope, sudo update-manager -c -d didn't do it [08:44] hardy is also fully up to date [08:44] vega--: it does (/etc/update-manager) but it unless you have put "never check" there, it should still work with updat-emanager -d [08:44] mvo: it's set to normal [08:45] vega--: are you behind a proxy ? [08:45] yes [08:45] but normal upgrades to hardy work [08:45] vega--: are you in a gnome-terminal? if not, could you please open one? [08:45] open already [08:46] vega--: what does echo $http_proxy print? anything useful? [08:46] empty [08:47] vega--: do you have the proxy set in gnome-network-preferences ? [08:47] system -> preferences -> network proxy ... hmm no it's not [08:48] vega--: aha, but it is set in synaptic I suppose? that sounds like the error [08:48] not set in synaptic either [08:48] but in apt.conf as i usualy run from command line [08:48] ok wait.. [08:49] yes, now it works after setting it in synaptic [08:50] vega--: ok, thanks - I will fix that [08:50] update-manager COULD say something about not being able to check for upgrades.. instead of being silent [08:50] ok [08:51] anyway, time to test hardy -> intrepid, thanks for helping [08:51] vega--: if you could wait ~1-2h then a new version of the upgrade wil be available [08:52] sorry, already started the upgrade :) [08:53] there is a "cancel" button in the download window ;) [08:53] does it restore sources.list etc.? :) [08:53] there might be a bug in the current version that causes a crash for some people, this is why I mentioned it [08:53] yes [08:53] it will restore the original system state [08:53] ok, canceled, it's a test machine anyway [08:54] i can wait [08:56] does "new version of the upgrade" mean a new update-manager package for hardy or some other component behind the scenes? [08:57] ie. how do i know when it's safe to start upgrading.. [08:59] vega--: some component behind the scene (a new upgrader) [09:09] vega--: the new version got just upload to intrepid, it will take a bit until it gets published, but feedback on this one is very welcome :) the way it works is that the updat-emanager in hardy downloads the "release-upgrader" component from intrepid, so nothing new in hardy is required [09:09] what the heck.... the keyboard on this toshiba just got screwed up. [09:09] d^[[2~esg [09:09] That sure doesn't look like an 'm' to me. [09:11] mvo: ok i see, it's the intrepid.tar.gz that update-manager downloads? [09:11] vega--: yes [09:11] i'll upgrade after lunch in a few hours.. i'll report any problems [09:11] vega--: great, thanks! [09:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217504 [09:29] Launchpad bug 217504 in linux "acpi_fakekey stopped working for certain keycodes" [High,In progress] [09:29] Just noticed that today. [09:36] wow, envy suggested the wrong video driver for that GeForce 420 Go. [09:36] It suggested legacy; the regular non-legacy works fine. [09:50] argh, where's cubeaddons? [09:52] ... and staticswitcher? [09:59] So does anybody know if synaptic is still being actively developed? [10:00] sanzanric: yes it is [10:01] Their last release was in 2005 [10:01] sanzanric: synaptic as in the package manager gui? the last release (0.62.1) was within the last couple of weeks :) the website may be badly out of date though [10:02] Oh, ok. Yeah not a very good web site. No offense. [10:03] none taken, it is indeed not great, the biggest problem is that the developer(s) like to develop instead of updating the web-page that is a PR problem :/ [10:04] Of course. Do you know what new feature they have been adding? [10:04] sanzanric: the latest was fast search (search as you type) that is in intrepid now [10:05] sanzanric: it searches over the full description, name, summary space === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [10:05] oh, but its seams to be disabled in my current intrepid. [10:06] sanzanric: could you please try to install apt-xapian-index ? its a helper that should be pulled in automatically, looks like there is a bug somewhere if it is not [10:07] ah, your right! Odd its listed under recommends, maybe that should be changed to suggested? [10:08] or depends === ROAF is now known as RAOF [10:10] yeah, I need to check that. out of curiosity, what features do you miss in synaptic? [10:11] Hm, I probably would first say that somebody really needs to update that "Mark All Updates" Icon. [10:11] heh :) if you have a good icon, I'm sure it would be taken! [10:12] sadly im no artist [10:13] but also, although this might require changes in apt, pictures in the descriptions. [10:14] I would also move the top panel, the one which provides the apply options etc., to the bottom. [10:15] Because if someone is reading a description, they shouldn't have to move their mouse form the bottom of the screen to the top [10:19] i would also redo the interface slightly by have the version number, maintainer, and kinda unimportant information (un)collapsible under neath the package name. [11:28] does intrepid have 3d support for the radeonhd driver and r520gl cards ? how is it running these days ? [11:49] mvo: /win 12 [11:49] err, did not intend to do that.. [11:50] mvo: upgrade is running now with 5min remaining, no problems so far.. started 30min ago [12:10] mvo: the upgrade procedure went well, itself.. although after boot there were serious problems with graphics [12:10] but that's another story [12:11] vega--: thanks, happy to hear that the upgrade went ok. the kernel in intrepid seems to have issues on some hw, I have seen similar things [12:12] went into low graphics mode, and after a little arguing with the display configurator i got it working [12:13] it didn't use my old working config from hardy.. [12:13] also keyboard settings got reset, no more scandinavian characters [12:25] vega--: what video card do you use? is that a nvidia? or something else? [13:00] my display is going off with intrepid default kernel .. whats the problem [13:06] kallu: what video card are you using? [13:09] mine is onboard G33 [13:10] did you upgrade from hardy to intrepid? [13:10] jonpackard, yeah [13:12] kallu: checking LP to see if it's been reported ;-) [13:15] kallu: when you say "going off". what do you mean exactly? [13:15] it behaves as if there is no signal .. and hard drives are working [13:16] jonpackard, some time later x is starting but no kdm and no shell for alt+F1 [13:17] kallu: That is strange.. so what do you get once X starts? [13:18] jonpackard, just a plain screen with totally brown color [13:18] kallu: and you said Ctrl-Alt-F1 does not do anything? [13:19] yup [13:19] its a strange problem .. i have seen this bug on launchpad 3 days ago .. but i was unable to find it [13:21] kallu: do you have the Alpha3 live CD by chance? [13:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/249037 [13:22] Launchpad bug 249037 in usplash "After upgrade, nothing shows up on screen during and after boot" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:24] kallu: did you try removing 'splash' from your kernel line? This disables usplash (the fancy loading bar on boot) [13:25] jonpackard, yeah.. seems usplash is the bad guy here .. i will remove it [13:27] kallu: it sure seems odd that usplash would cause such a critical problem =X === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [14:45] i am not able to go to my desktop. . i put a tar.gz file in /usr/share/icons using root menu in pcmanfm . it got restarted and i am not able to boot into my desktop also sudo doesn't have any permissions in root . i.e sudo apt-get instal xxxx doesn't install anything saying sudo has no permission [14:45] gdm too doesn't start [14:46] how to recover my system using alternate cd / [14:47] there is an rescue mode , but i am not able to make it out since it seems to be installing the whole system in the drive === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [14:49] anyone ? [14:50] anyone ? [14:52] murlidhar: can you still boot into the recovery mode in the grub menu ? [14:52] hm, too impatient it seem [15:04] what happened to tacacs+ on ubuntu, it's not in the repository anymore [15:38] how come i only get 2 work spaces with compiz enabled ? [15:41] anybody get more then 2 workspaces with compiz enabled ? [15:43] use ccsm [15:46] ccsm, whats that ? [15:46] looks like it's compiz-config-settings-manager, or similar [15:48] yep, which one adds more workspaces ? [16:02] wd4lko: in compizconfig-settings-manager (aka Preferences - Advanced Desktop Effects Settings), go to general options, then desktop size [16:15] jonpackard: I dont have a "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" in System>Preferences, how do I get it ? [16:18] wd4lko: Are you running Intrepid? [16:18] Pici : yes [16:19] I don't mean to sound rude, but you shouldnt be using the development version if you can't find these simple things by yourself. [16:19] !ccsm [16:19] To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion [16:23] I'm using nvidia 173 and I have ccsm but when I enable desktop effects my workspaces go from 4 to 2 and workspace prefs won't change it. [16:24] Pici: that should have hardy taken out if it [16:24] s/if/of [16:24] wd4lko: file a bug [16:24] gnomefreak: because? [16:25] Pici: its the same in intrepid and factoids shouldnt be versioned [16:25] gnomefreak: but not the same in Hardy... [16:25] er, Gutsy [16:25] Pici: gutsy doesnt have same packagess [16:26] maybe it is a bug, other people on the forum seem to have same prob, Thanks anyway [16:26] wd4lko: file a bug [16:26] wd4lko: You should be filing bugs if you're using intrepid. [16:28] I have Hardy and it works fine, can get upto 16 workspaces, I do file bugs, I thought I missed something. [16:29] wd4lko: can you give me abug number for this issue so i can look into it [16:30] Havent filed one on this yet, thought it might have been something I over looked. [16:31] wd4lko: ok just remember a bug maybe the differnce between bug being fixed or not being fixed so its up to you. [16:31] Hi. I'm running Intrepid fully updated. Everytime I logout or reboot I have to re-enable desktop effects. How can I fix this? I'm using the "ati" driver [16:33] negge: you cant unless you know your way around and since you are asking that question you dont. file a bug or use hardy. if you havent already noticed you have to shut down 2 times in intrepid to get pc to shut down [16:33] gnomefreak: chill out, I was just asking if there was an easy fix [16:34] gnomefreak: how exactly do I file bugs? I've looked at Launchpad a hundred times but it makes no sense [16:34] its possible that the shutdown/reboot is not saving settings [16:34] negge: tell me your kidding [16:34] not really [16:35] negge: what de? [16:35] make that what DE [16:36] :D [16:36] gnomefreak: I'm gonna file one now [16:36] I've always just looked at bug reports, never really gotten around to filing one myself before. And so far Intrepid has been working pretty flawlessly for me [16:37] negge: than you are not using anything with it [16:38] gnomefreak: I'm using it just like I use Hardy [16:38] torrenting, listening to music, using pidgin and browsing the Web [16:39] negge: gcc was borked until late last week shutdown still is borked a major breakage with X drivers atleast nvidia but i have heard its other drivers [16:39] gnome apps are crashing is another one [16:39] how mount usb pendrive in intrepid ? [16:39] * gnomefreak can rattle them off all day [16:40] aguitel: same way you did in hardy [16:40] aguitel: hint. insert it [16:40] aguitel: it gives you warnings/error but wait long enough [16:40] gnomefreak, is not mounted [16:40] aguitel: mine mounts after errors [16:41] aguitel: if it doesnt mount file a bug [16:41] 8.10 is that broken? [16:41] the error is:DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.NotFound: The given volume was not found [16:42] ok really look people this is not the time to be using intrepid if you cant do simple things like file a bug answer what DE your using ect... if you want system that runs and has little bugs use hardy for another month or 2 [16:42] k [16:42] dfgas: read topic [16:42] aguitel: oh and dbus is borked that is why i get the errors/warning and that goes for yours as well [16:43] gnomefreak, how force mount with console [16:43] thanks for remindnig me [16:43] aguitel: file a bug, btw force mounting isnt gonna help you [16:43] gnomefreak: I tried compiling the newest deluge from svn and it seemed to work (didn't manage to get the program running though)... the shutdown bug doesn't bother me that much, sudo reboot reboots instantly and that's what I mostly do (I don't shutdown). The ATI proprietary drivers don't work but the "ati" driver works better than in Hardy for me right now [16:44] it seemed to work? [16:44] how did it work if you couldnt get it running? [16:45] negge: and yes i know how to use cli to shutdown but its still a bug and people that cant read bugs or file them need not run alpha software [16:46] i suggest everyone read the topic and point out wher eit says this is a support channel for intrepid [16:46] where it [16:46] its too early to support anything with it [16:47] gnomefreak: atleast it compiled, I don't know if I was missing some dependency or something. [16:47] gnomefreak: anyway I'm filing a bug about the desktop effects issue now... [16:48] gnomefreak: simple-ccsm did the trick, added desktop colums for choices, Thanks for the help. [16:48] negge: can make any app build/compile depending on what you are doing ut it needs to run [16:48] yeah whatever [16:48] I didn't bother investigating it [17:00] Why did I just join this channel? [17:01] I may use Intrepid but meh. [17:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217504 [17:31] argh. [17:31] Launchpad bug 217504 in linux "acpi_fakekey stopped working for certain keycodes" [High,In progress] [17:34] hi, did someone test the usb2.0 issue with the new ibex? [17:36] bobby: dbus issue? [17:36] gives you dbus errors? [17:36] no, the usb2.0 bug sec seachring bug id [17:36] other than that you would have to be alot less general [17:39] gnomefreak, well,https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/195762 , that and a bunch of similar problems [17:39] Launchpad bug 195762 in linux "USB Mass Storage Devices not mounting, device not accepting address, error -32" [Undecided,Fix released] [17:39] bobby: and ? [17:40] well, i wanted to now if some one tried to use a usb 2.0 device [17:40] without, that that usb2.0 device gets unmounted [17:41] bobby: does it fix it for you? [17:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/88746 [17:41] Launchpad bug 88746 in linux "ehci_hcd module causes I/O errors in USB 2.0 devices" [High,Confirmed] [17:41] if not than you either have a different issue or it wasnt fixed for everyone [17:41] gnomefreak, i dont know, thats why im asking [17:41] bobby: try asking in #ubuntu-bugs [17:42] Here's a USB issue I have: if I try to use bluetooth audio with a bluetooth adapter plugged into a USB 2.0 port.... I get a panic! [17:42] bobby: there are more people there [17:42] If I use a USB 1.1 port............... it doesn't panic, but it still doesn't work. [17:43] * gnomefreak goes for smoke hoping someone might think of dbus and than look into it [17:45] worst laptop keyboard evar: http://cgi.ebay.com/keyboard-for-Toshiba-satellite-laptop-2430/2435-M35-M45_W0QQitemZ200234011515QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL0806241399r6298#ebayphotohosting [17:46] Don't you just love Toshiba? [17:54] I get a regular error, btw [17:54] Its quite odd [17:54] fetching now... [17:56] http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/1947 [17:58] zbrahead91: most of time an error without how you get the error is kind of not helpful [17:58] It just happens [17:59] zbrahead91: during? [17:59] zbrahead91: what do you see when it happens? [17:59] zbrahead91: anything broken? [18:00] hi [18:00] error can be harmless as in it doesnt affect anything but for devs it mean something is failing [18:00] Nothing breaks [18:00] did todays updates mess GDM to anyone else? [18:00] It happens during normal usage [18:00] BUGabundo_work: no gdm updates today [18:00] Nope: BUGabundo_work [18:00] There was [18:00] that was yesterday [18:00] Oh [18:00] :P [18:01] I'm back on a shell as root, and it says "cannot execute /bin/bash: permition denied" [18:01] btw [18:01] I have about 2 megs of this error in a log file -.- [18:01] only had 2 updates today not counting the one that wants to remove scrollkeeper [18:02] I haven't got that one yet gnomefreak [18:02] but I can't start GDM with my "regular" user [18:02] zbrahead91: you can try filing a bug since that error is more for devs than users [18:02] startx as root works fine [18:02] BUGabundo_work: what errors are you getting? [18:03] I think it is just my hardware, tbh. [18:03] But I dont know what it means :s [18:03] well, from grub, without splash, it just gets stuck.... after showing "reading files necessary to boot" [18:03] if I go to recovery and get to a shell [18:03] su bugabundo [18:04] will fail with that error message I posted [18:04] so I can't start X [18:04] humm since I got a new kernel [18:04] maybe it mess with X or nvidia [18:04] let me try a dpkg.-rec Xserver [18:06] BUGabundo_work: more than likely [18:06] did it [18:06] didn't fix this [18:06] it seems that some how [18:06] my user can't use bash/dash [18:07] rebooting [18:08] BUGabundo_work: thats not gdm [18:08] gdm doesnt decide what shell a user uses [18:08] I know [18:08] k [18:09] but I first detected that GDM would not start [18:09] now I see a all new problem [18:09] and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it [18:09] that's why I'm here [18:09] if it is a bug, I'll report it [18:10] if it is some problem of my side, I expect to have support from you guys to help me out [18:11] the line: io scheduler cfq registered (default) gets stuck for a while! [18:11] its been there for more than 30 sec [18:11] hey there it goes [18:12] "mkdir: cannot create dir '/lib/modules/--generic/volatile/' readonly file system!!!! [18:13] but / is rw [18:15] any idea gnomefreak zbrahead91 [18:16] BUGabundo_work: you use nvidia drivers? [18:16] yep [18:16] BUGabundo_work: upgraded from hardy? [18:16] from alberto [18:17] 1.73 [18:17] I did upgrade, yes [18:17] BUGabundo_work: but did you install drivers clean? [18:17] or did upgrade do that [18:17] makes me think you used envy in hardy and never removed the modules envy built for you [18:18] when upgrading [18:18] I did a dist-upgrade before alpha1 come out [18:18] 173 is looking in one place and you still have modules in another place [18:18] BUGabundo_work: thats not it than [18:18] but my system was fine for the last two weeks [18:18] with the new schema drivers [18:18] BUGabundo_work: anything else you care to tell me? [18:19] about ? [18:19] feel free to ask [18:19] BUGabundo_work: boot old kernel see if it works [18:19] all awnser the best I can [18:19] no older kernel [18:19] just [18:19] 2.6.26-5-gen [18:19] if you got it before alpha one you should have 3 r so kernels [18:19] heh, b43 doesn't seem to like Hibernate. [18:19] and the new option for safe boot [18:19] that (dev name here) add [18:20] BUGabundo_work: if you removed the older kernels that was your first mistake [18:20] I had 2.6.24.18 [18:20] let me try the new option [18:20] and? [18:20] no not yet [18:20] safemode we will use to fix the issue [18:20] was it seb ?! [18:20] can't remember its name [18:20] seb128? [18:21] ahhh I see I still have 2.6.26-4 [18:21] I can try that [18:21] are we going to have another Gutsy melt down and lose TTYs ? [18:21] hold on [18:21] I can't change to tty with vga=773 [18:22] I see a lot of FAIL while booting [18:22] BUGabundo_work: this is what your grub file should look like if you upgraded before a1 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/504218 [18:22] including GDM [18:22] BUGabundo_work: i suggest with that many issues you reinstall [18:22] or go to hardy for a while longer [18:22] nope [18:23] not that grub [18:23] 2.6.26.5 and .4 [18:23] and "last succefull boot" [18:23] i upgraded less than 3 days after intrepid repos opened [18:23] BUGabundo_work: thats normal [18:23] everyone has that [18:23] it doesnt affect anything that you would see [18:23] and a coule more for recovery and INETBOOT [18:24] 2.6.26-4 failed to boot [18:24] where should I remove old nvidia modules? [18:25] BUGabundo_work: the envy script didnt allow that but its fairly late now since it built another set of them not real sure if envy overwrites the old modules [18:26] if you havent already noticed the new nvidia drivers use envy to get set up [18:26] BUGabundo_work: but its looking like alot more than just driver issues [18:26] I guess gnomefreak [18:27] BUGabundo_work: you need to find out what is wrong with one thing at a time. this is where you would file a bug and continue to work on it if you like [18:27]