[10:39] <james_w> Are there any French speakers who could deal with bug 253150 ?
[10:40] <james_w> the title is a bit silly, but it is kind of a description of the problem.
[10:40] <james_w> I assumed it was a joke when I saw it scroll past
[12:42] <nand> james_w: here you are
[12:43] <james_w> merci
[12:45] <nand> :)
[14:34] <mcas> which package should i select for bugs with kwin?
[17:05] <bdmurray> ogasawara: is bug 253258 kernel related or bonobo?
[17:05] <ogasawara> bdmurray: just a sec, finishing up with support team
[17:14] <bddebian> Boo
[17:46] <bobby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/88746
[17:47] <bobby> hi, did some tried to use usb2.0 hdd, without getting the hdd unmount with that error, with the new ibex
[17:58] <ogasawara> bdmurray: just looked at 253258, that bonobo segfault looks suspicious but I wouldn't mind seeing the dmesg output first
[17:59] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'll post a comment
[17:59] <bdmurray> ogasawara: that'd be in kern.log by now right?
[18:00] <LaserJock> btw all, Ubuntu QA meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 1 minute
[18:00] <bdmurray> ogasawara: great, thanks
[18:00] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'll assume so, but I wonder how reproducible it it
[18:50] <bdmurray> ogasawara: is there a tag for kernel config options?  like maybe kernel-config or is bitesize appropriate?
[18:50] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I can't recall having a kernel-config tag, but bitesize seems appropriate
[20:07]  * marnanel is trying to find where to report a bug.  There is a mistake in the Welsh translation in the GNOME system menu in Ubuntu, but Google codesearch tells me it only knows that string in Fedora's copy of system-config-printer.  Does Ubuntu use s-c-p as a downstream version from Fedora?
[20:07]  * marnanel possibly shouldn't be asking this here
[20:08]  * marnanel goes to #ubuntu-desktop
[20:12] <mcas> marnanel: perhaps this is what you looking for
[20:12] <mcas> http://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[20:15]  * marnanel nods, perhaps.  I kind of wanted to tell upstream about it if it was an upstream problem, but that'll work.  thanks.
[20:17]  * greg-g wonders of marnanel only speaks in the third person
[20:21]  * marnanel speaks in the third person in /me actions, of course
[20:21] <marnanel> otherwise I don't
[20:24]  * greg-g things that is good, because /me actions tend to get ignored, especially when people ask questions in a /me action
[20:30] <marnanel> really?  why do you believe this?
[20:34] <greg-g> because I don't notice them as much as I notice a standrd statment
[20:34] <greg-g> "ignored" in the "not noticed" meaning of theword
[20:34] <greg-g> so, not ignored, but not noticed :)
[20:46] <james_w> marnanel: I don't know if you got an answer on -desktop, but s-c-p is used
[20:53] <marnanel> greg-g: right, but that means they're not noticed *by you*.  it would be an interesting study to find whether everyone doesn't notice them.  it's possible that, for example, your client displays them in a way that makes it harder to notice them than ordinary speech and other people's don't.
[20:53] <marnanel> james_w: I did, but thanks
[20:53] <greg-g> marnanel: right
[20:54] <nhandler> marnanel: I have no issue noticing /me messages in xchat
[21:00] <dooley> When I am using the old 2.6.24 kernel I experience no problems. However, when I use the new 2.6.26 kernel in 8.10a3, my SATA disks makes strange scary noises
[21:01] <pheeror> if (on the lucky days) I manage to boot 2.6.26 beast my wifi card doesn't work
[22:16] <Awsoonn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/224589 I confirm that it is as he says, but can't understand and ill effects of this bug.
[22:17] <Awsoonn> I think it should be set to 'wont fix' but I want another opinion please
[22:18] <bdmurray> It doesn't work the way it is supposed to right?
[22:19] <bdmurray> There is some mismatch between the functionality and the documentation so it is a valid bug.
[22:19] <bdmurray> The ill effect is that it can cause confusion
[22:31] <mrooney> does anyone know of a way to grab a list of all packages in main/universe (separately?)
[22:32] <bdmurray> mrooney: probably
[22:34] <bdmurray> mrooney: I'd have to look up how I did it
[22:34] <oscar__> Hi all, I'm completely new to bug triage but would like to learn and contribute. I took a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/253412. I've set the package to update-manager and think the priority should be wishlist. Can someone tell me if this is this about right?
[22:37] <mrooney> bdmurray: for EeeBotu, the only reason it has to fetch and scrape the bug page is to grab that. I would rather cache it and update nightly or weekly or something, so it only relies on the atom feed for normal operation
[22:38] <bdmurray> mrooney: how is EeeBotu getting the description etc?
[22:38] <james_w> mrooney: you can pull Sources.gz files from the archive
[22:38] <james_w> mrooney: if you want I can knock up some python to do this
[22:39] <mrooney> bdmurray: http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/latest-bugs.atom
[22:40] <bdmurray> mrooney: I'd wait for the new API it should be easy to get the component with that
[22:40] <mrooney> james_w: that could be great! basically I am thinking to build a dictionary like {'python-feedparser': True, 'universe-package': False}, with the values being if they are in main
[22:40] <mrooney> oh, okay
[22:41] <mrooney> bdmurray: I guess the issue is that there are too many new APIs
[22:41] <mrooney> and I have to rewrite how it gets stuff, so I would rather depend on something more stable
[22:50] <bdmurray> oscar__: I'm looking at it now
[22:51] <chrisccoulson> where do we assign bugs that describe problems with a particular repository? i'm looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/253441, where the reporter is saying they get a 403 error installing a mono package. i doubt the problem is actually a bug in mono (i can download and install it fine using a different mirror), but a problem with the mirror that they are using. i was going to ask the reporter to try aga
[22:51] <james_w> mrooney: python-debian allows you easily pull out a list of packages from each of main, universe, restricted and multiverse, but it's quite slow operating on the whole Sources.gz files, so I normally do that once and write out package lists
[22:52] <james_w> mrooney: then given a package name you can look in to the lists and find it
[22:52] <james_w> mrooney: however, if your process is long running then the dictionary may be better
[22:52] <mrooney> james_w: yeah, that is the general approach I was thinking, updating nightly or weekly or something, whatever is appropriate
[22:52] <james_w> nightly is probably right
[22:53] <james_w> does it need restricted/multiverse, or are these folded in to main/universe?
[22:53] <bdmurray> oscar__: I think the bug would be about software-properties-gtk because that is where you set how often for it to check
[22:54] <bdmurray> oscar__: where as update-manager performs the updates
[22:55] <oscar__> bdmurray: but you can't set an option for a non-existing feature right?
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> oscar_; The bug you're looking at should probably be assigned to both software-properties-gtk and update-notifier. It is update-notifier that is responsible for downloading package lists / downloading packages / performing unattended upgrades (depending on your configuration). update-notifier would need the functionality to be able to set individual upgrade policies for packages from *-updates and *-security, which is basically what
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> software-properties-gtk would then need changing to expose the extra settings
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> i think that's right anyway:S
[23:09] <bdmurray> That sounds about right to me too
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think so. i just had a look on my machine here - the upgrade policies are stored in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic, which belongs to update-notifier. i just tried adjusting the upgrade settings in software-properties-gtk, and it seems to modify that file directly
[23:13] <mrooney> james_w: honestly I don't understand that very well, except that bugs in launchpad seem to only be either main or universe?
[23:14] <bdmurray> they also exist in restricted and multiverse
[23:14] <mrooney> oooh.
[23:14] <james_w> yeah, I've not seen the bot say "multiverse" as far as I remember, but I wondered whether it might
[23:14] <bdmurray> bug 40515
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray: oscar_ seems to have signed out now, so I have re-assigned bug 253412 to the correct packages as discussed a few moments ago. would you be able to set the status to 'wishlist' (or any other member of bug-control)? Thanks
[23:36] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: the update-manager task could have been renamed instead of invalidated, but thanks for doing that
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> no problem. i'll bear that in mind in future
[23:37] <bdmurray> I've updated the bug as we discussed
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[23:57] <LimCore> hi my firefox hanged in wait for FUTEX. how to get all info about that. (i.e. add stats, info from /proc/, dpkg -i uname etc)
[23:58] <infinitycircuit> LimCore, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox describes how what to report for a firefox bug
[23:59] <LimCore> hmm or perhaps it just overstepeed ulimit? but then it would be killed?