[00:26]  * NCommander just got the best/worst junk mail ever
[00:27] <NCommander> I just got a letter from my own fire department asking for donations
[00:29] <NCommander> The worst part? It's addressed to "Firefighter Michael Casadevall"
[00:29] <NCommander> I dunno what ti make of it, but I think I'm going to stick it on the bulletin board with a note "Check your mailing list"
[01:33] <protonchris> Laney: I am really busy right now.  So please go ahead and work on glom.  Thanks.
[01:54] <Hattory> Hi all... can you take a look at bug 252793
[02:10]  * ApOgEE- away pi opis
[03:45] <AnAnt> doko: ping
[05:41] <eddyMul> I'm working on packaging python-django. Should I submit patches to Debian first? or to Ubuntu first?
[05:42] <wgrant> eddyMul: We already have Django in the archive...
[05:42] <eddyMul> wgrant: yes. I'm working on updating it to 1.0 alpha
[05:42] <wgrant> eddyMul: Have you discussed this with the Debian maintainer? They're probably doing the same thing...
[05:43] <eddyMul> wgrant: discuss: they suggest that I file a bug
[05:43] <eddyMul> I don't know what the "topic"/"subject" of the bug should be
[05:43] <eddyMul> is it... "drive towards python-django-1.0"?
[05:44] <wgrant> 'New upstream version <some version> available' is often used.
[05:44] <eddyMul> ah
[05:45] <eddyMul> so in my case, I'll submit@bugs.debian.org with "python-django: New upstream version 1.0 alpha available'?
[05:45] <eddyMul> (well, actually, it's not straight 1.0 alpha, but a continuous "tracking" of the SVN tree...)
[05:45] <wgrant> Something like that.
[05:47] <eddyMul> wgrant: should I (install and) use reportbug? reportbug-ng? or plain old email should do?
[05:48] <wgrant> eddyMul: A normal email client works fine.
[05:48] <eddyMul> wgrant: great. will do!
[05:57] <stefanlsd> Where can i read about the policy regarding updating of new package versions for ubuntu+1.  Some bug requests for new upsteam versions are asking for a dev version and not always the stable. Is this allowed / normal?  What happens if a package has a 'stable' dev version that has been out for some time?
[06:05] <foxjazz> is this the channel for coders ?
[06:06] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, coders are accepted... but not everybody here is coders
[06:07] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, this is the channel for MOTU https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:07] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, tab once more ;)
[06:07] <ApOgEE-> usually, packager
[06:08] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, are you coders?
[06:08] <foxjazz> well I wasn't asking if everyone was a coder, just asking about contributing to open source
[06:09] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, are you asking me or are you intending to ask foxjazz?
[06:11] <foxjazz> foxbuntu who would I ask about coding stuff for ubuntu?
[06:11] <ApOgEE-> sorry
[06:11] <ApOgEE-> sorry foxbuntu
[06:12] <ApOgEE-> just a quick tab
[06:12] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, no problem
[06:12] <ApOgEE-> i'm tabbing so much
[06:12] <foxbuntu> foxbuntu, coding what in ubuntu foxjazz ?
[06:13] <foxjazz> good question
[06:13] <ApOgEE-> foxjazz, are you coder?
[06:13] <foxjazz> I mostly use c# for work
[06:13] <foxjazz> use to do c++
[06:13] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, are you looking for an IDE?
[06:14] <foxjazz> well that would be a good start huh
[06:14] <foxbuntu> I personally use geany
[06:14] <foxbuntu> works pretty well
[06:14] <foxjazz> very good... I don't have any projects atm, but would like to get involved.
[06:15] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, i wonder which IDE was used to develop OpenOffice.org
[06:16] <ApOgEE-> :D
[06:16] <foxjazz> they did taht with vi
[06:16] <ApOgEE-> only vi?
[06:17] <StevenK> What makes you think they used an IDE?
[06:17] <foxjazz> I have installed ubuntu in the last couple of years 4 or 5 times.
[06:17] <ApOgEE-> I currently use glade, but still searching for other IDE
[06:17] <ApOgEE-> maybe I'll try geany
[06:17] <foxjazz> well why don't we just code geany to fit our special wants
[06:18] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, geany is quite nice
[06:18] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, you could always come pickup some work on the Mythbuntu team!
[06:18] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, we have tons of stuff to do
[06:18] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:19] <foxjazz> is that a myth?
[06:19] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, is it able to design GUI in thet IDE?
[06:19] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, no thats glade
[06:19] <ApOgEE-> hmm... that's the one that i ask
[06:19] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, you could do it in geany but it would be much for difficult than glade
[06:20] <ApOgEE-> for the text editor, I currently use gedit... lol
[06:20] <foxbuntu> foxbuntu, yes...its MythTV + Ubuntu
[06:20] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, ^
[06:20] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, www.mythbuntu.org
[06:21] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, for all your backend code for the GUI apps (scripts and such) geany is very nice
[06:21] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, thanks... Installing now
[06:22] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, no problem
[06:22] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, is it possible to debug inside it?
[06:23] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, i believe so
[06:24] <foxjazz> yea, I am going to install ubuntu on my wife's old computer
[06:24] <foxjazz> right now using vmware on 64bit vista
[06:25] <itai-michaelson> can anyone explain why apt-cache policy wine gives me wine1.0 while apt-cache show gives me wine 0.95?
[06:25] <ApOgEE-> huhuh.. i still got xp in my virtualbox but i haven't boot it for such a long time now
[06:25] <foxjazz> yea, I play wwii online on this machine, nothign beats it
[06:26] <StevenK> itai-michaelson: wine 1.0 is in hardy-updates and you've not installed the updates yet?
[06:26] <ApOgEE-> foxjazz, cool
[06:26] <foxjazz> nothing like shooting down a 110 over a forward base
[06:27] <foxjazz> ok, ubuntu needs to stop doing that
[06:27] <foxjazz> why the hell does the install packager set focuse on the screen when I am typing here
[06:27] <foxjazz> it's quite annoying
[06:28]  * imbrandon waves to StevenK 
[06:28]  * StevenK waves to imbrandon. Long time.
[06:29] <imbrandon> yea, had to "get away from it all" for a bit, but mod_security and eclipse seem to have brought me back
[06:29] <imbrandon> none seems to be keeping them uptodate :)
[06:30] <StevenK> imbrandon: We were saving them for you
[06:30] <imbrandon> so instead of whinge i figured i'd update them , heh
[06:30] <foxjazz> foxbuntu !!! what is mythbuntu?
[06:30] <imbrandon> mythbuntu.org iirc
[06:30] <foxjazz> yea, looking at that already
[06:31] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, a sub Distro of Ubuntu with MythTV Intergrated
[06:31] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, ^
[06:31] <foxjazz> I see
[06:31] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, MythTV is PVR software, kinda like TIVO but much better
[06:31] <foxjazz> yea I use the comcast stuff atm
[06:31] <imbrandon> s/better/diffrent
[06:32] <foxjazz> How can you record stuff from cable?
[06:32] <foxbuntu> imbrandon, ok...let me quantify that...
[06:32] <foxbuntu> more feature rich
[06:32] <imbrandon> foxbuntu: witha tv ccard
[06:33] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, ^
[06:33] <imbrandon> foxbuntu: :) yea overkill for the job IMHO but thats just me /me prefers XBMC > *
[06:33] <imbrandon> doh wrong fox, foxjazz : with a tv card
[06:34] <foxjazz> so you use a tv card to record stuff from cable? how woud it make sense in comcast situation
[06:34] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, I use cable TV
[06:34] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yes, but you're a heathen
[06:34] <foxbuntu> StevenK, +1 lol
[06:34] <foxjazz> I mean I have a digital box that has 2 receivers that handles recording in the box
[06:34] <imbrandon> foxjazz: depends on your setup, could be as easy as putting the coax on the computer vs the cable box
[06:34] <foxjazz> no, it's not it's digital
[06:35] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, yes, you use the TV outputs into a TV card on the PC
[06:35] <foxjazz> so you make it change channel?
[06:35] <foxjazz> for recording?
[06:35] <foxjazz> and then hope you don't have anything programmed on the dvr?
[06:35] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, yes, ir blasters or serial cable depending on your STB hardware
[06:35] <imbrandon> foxbuntu: i said "could" in your case to get the same functionality you would need 2 tv cards , an ir send/rec to relay the remote info to the comcast box and still use a non-dvr digital comcast box between the coax and the tv
[06:35] <foxjazz> that will take affect.
[06:36] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, you wouldnt use the DVR from comcast anymore
[06:36] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, MythTV is a replacement to that
[06:37] <imbrandon> a replacement for "part" of that, he would still need a comcast box to get the digital channels
[06:37] <imbrandon> e.g. above 70 iirc
[06:37] <foxbuntu> right
[06:37] <foxjazz> I am wondering how many knives my wife would stab me with before it's over
[06:37] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, Mythbuntu is a pretty good distro for it making things easy
[06:38]  * foxbuntu is about to insert an advertising moment
[06:38] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, ...or you could get one from this great online store ready to go, when they open up soon... www.foxmediasystems.com
[06:38] <imbrandon> foxjazz: honestly you'll spend aobout $300 USD on the hardware min then about 2 days of hooking it up / learning the software and you only gain 2 advantages ( abet big ones ) #1 full OSS software #2 you can freely move your recordings to .mpeg / dvd / vcd etc etc etc
[06:39] <foxbuntu> imbrandon, thats cutting things short a bit
[06:39] <foxjazz> I have the computer hardware already
[06:39] <foxbuntu> automatic commercial skipping
[06:39] <foxjazz> I like the automatic commercial skipping, vs the stupid dvr box
[06:39] <foxbuntu> media playback (dvd/music/video/internet radio/ect ect)
[06:40] <foxbuntu> unlimited expandability
[06:40] <imbrandon> foxjazz: you have two myth compatable TV cards and the IR send/rec relay + remote ?
[06:40] <foxjazz> yes I undersand the media playback stuff.  And all that.
[06:41] <foxjazz> Basically I would need the tv card... and I should be good to go.
[06:42] <foxjazz> thanks foxbuntu ... have to split for sleep
[06:42] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, the HDHomeRun is great for ATSC/QAM stuff
[06:42] <foxbuntu> foxjazz, no problem
[06:42] <foxbuntu> later
[06:42] <foxjazz> k later
[06:44] <itai-michaelson> StevenK, sorry ,took so long to answer, no i havent updated yet, so apt-cache show gives me the pre-updated version?
[06:44] <StevenK> itai-michaelson: apt-cache show should actually show both versions.
[06:45] <itai-michaelson> StevenK, let me check.
[06:45] <itai-michaelson> you are correct, i understand
[06:46] <itai-michaelson> thanks
[07:00] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, I've tested geany. it's great!!
[07:02] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, yeah..its pretty good
[07:04] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, yeah... i compile and build without makefile.... hehe
[07:05] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, do you know any good tutorial on geany?
[07:06] <foxbuntu> ApOgEE-, nope, sorry
[07:06] <ApOgEE-> foxbuntu, nevermind... thanks anyway
[07:07] <ApOgEE-> i'm still figuring out on the suggestion features
[08:16] <laga> can someone from motu-sru please look at bug #241402 (and ACK it)?
[09:16] <huats> morning everyone
[09:16] <warp10> bug #245633
[10:13] <laga> \sh: sad to see you stepping down from motu-sru. glad to see you staying to work on the rest :)
[10:16] <\sh> laga: yes...as the time allows, I'll do my normal motu work :) but SRU is too important, and having one guy with no or less time is much more bad then having a new guy with time
[10:18] <laga> yeah. motu-sru seems a little slow at the moment
[10:19] <wgrant> motu-sru seems a little absent at the moment.
[10:19] <laga> oh, is there a sprint?
[10:22] <wgrant> laga: No, there's just almost nobody left.
[10:22] <laga> ah, that explains a few things.
[10:24] <laga> "5 active members" - but one of them is still sh ;)
[10:28] <slytherin> geser: I have downloaded jboss 4.2.3 source yesterday. It looks like the Debian packaging split all the source in different packages which might not be necessary. And the same seems to be reason behind circular build dependencies. I will try building 4.2.3 in next few days. Let us see what happens.
[10:28] <laga> i'll probably write to the motu mailing list to get my SRU ack'ed then
[10:48] <SWAT> what is the best/usual way to get my packages reviewed and advocated? I need a couple of reviews and 2 advocates
[10:50] <pmjdebruijn> REVU
[10:51] <pmjdebruijn> probably... for a start...
[10:53] <SWAT> pmjdebruijn: it's out there already, didn't I mention getting reviews? (that's only possible when it's already reviewable in REVU)
[10:55] <pmjdebruijn> sorry
[11:01] <slytherin> SWAT: the best way is having patience. :-)
[11:03] <jmehdi> I've uploaded a new version of my package "Webstrict" (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webstrict) but I don't see it... could someone see what's wrong?
[11:12] <SWAT> slytherin: I have lots of it, but I just do not want to be 'forgotton' or get bit-rot. I do not know exactly what happens with packages in REVU which have 0 comments and 0 advocates for example. What is the best course of action?
[11:13] <slytherin> SWAT: when did you upload it?
[11:14] <SWAT> slytherin: 5 days ago
[11:15] <slytherin> SWAT: I think this is low traffic time currently. You may find someone to review it after 3-4 hours
[11:16] <SWAT> slytherin: any tips on getting reviewers/advocates? Is sending an e-mail to the motu list the best thing to do?
[11:17] <SWAT>  q: when I edit the REVU packages (because of comments), do I need to increase my version number or just change the packages use the same version number as before and upload the packages to REVU again?
[11:18] <slytherin> SWAT: No need to increase version number. Just do 'dput -f *.changes'. It will be good if you can add comments on revu telling what all has changed.
[11:26] <SWAT> slytherin: ok thanks. The mail to the motu list is a good idea?
[11:26] <slytherin> SWAT: not really because we will then be flodded by such mails.
[11:28] <SWAT> so what can I do (or anyone else for that matter) to actually get reviews/advocates? Or do I need to sit in the corner for the next 2 weeks and then look if it has been approved?
[11:30] <slytherin> SWAT: mostly that. :-)
[11:31] <slytherin> SWAT: and keep watch on revu to see if there is any comment.
[11:31] <SWAT> slytherin: ok, thanks. I will do that. I'll also keep it in mind for the next time.
[11:31] <pmjdebruijn> SWAT: as most rooms have only 4 corners, and there are more than 4 people waiting for reviews/advocates... you technically won't be sitting there alone :p
[11:32]  * pmjdebruijn runs and hides
[11:34] <RainCT> Does rmadison work for you for Debian packages?
[11:36] <stefanlsd> Anyone running a debian system virtualized in vbox or kvm?  Any issues? Does it replicate the environment correctly for most tasks?  I would like to run a debian system to just test functionality / version differences between ubuntu / deb for packaging purposes...
[11:37] <broonie> stefanlsd: It should work fine.
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> stefanlsd: for most packages, a chroot will probably be sufficient, and easily be built using debootstrap
[11:40] <pmjdebruijn> stefanlsd: why wouldn't vbox/kvm not replicated the system? it's full virtualization, good replication is the whole point
[11:42] <geser> RainCT: besides that it's outdated?
[11:43] <RainCT> geser: okay, so it's not only me :P
[11:45] <geser> RainCT: have you tried asking in #debian-devel on oftc already?
[11:49] <RainCT> 12:48:43 <jcristau> RainCT: < 12h normally, but it's broken at the moment
[11:49] <RainCT> 12:49:09 <Rhonda> RainCT: Not long usually, Ganneff is already taking a look into the issue though, it's broken since apparently friday or saturday.
[11:51] <stefanlsd> broonie, pmjdebruijn - thanks. answers the question. I like the idea of vbox or so to make snapshots before i install something and mess it up.  Else yeah, might go the chroot option
[12:10] <sebner> apachelogger: don't like our country anymore? :P
[12:10] <apachelogger> sebner: ?
[12:11] <sebner> apachelogger: ~chan~
[12:31] <geser> slytherin: I've looked at the libjboss-microcontroller-java <-> libjboss-aop-java build-dep cycle: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/32165/ looks sane to you to break the cycle?
[13:02] <AnAnt> doko: ping
[13:02] <doko> AnAnt: ?
[13:03] <AnAnt> doko: regarding the bug 249158
[13:04] <AnAnt> doko: Martin Pitt mentioned something about eclipse, and your name was in it
[13:05] <AnAnt> [BLACKLISTED] swt-gtk_0 swt-gtk # doko, superseded by eclipse
[13:05] <AnAnt> eclipse is still at 3.2 (even on Debian), and swt-gtk is at 3.4 on Debian
[13:06] <doko> I don't mind, we'll have to readjust the conflicts once a eclipse-3.4 is available as a package
[13:07] <AnAnt> doko: can you mention this in the bug report?
[13:10] <AnAnt> doko: Hello ?
[13:16] <doko> AnAnt: replied
[13:22] <slytherin> geser: Looks ok. but can you give me few days to evaluate how jboss 4.2.3 works out. I want to see if it is can be built without the source split. Frankly I don't know why they have split the source in differene packages.
[13:24] <geser> slytherin: sure, but wouldn't that mean we have to maintain jboss for a long time as we can't use the Debian pacakges anymore?
[13:24] <slytherin> geser: Of course I may be wrong and need to look in details. Will take 1-2 days
[13:26] <geser> ok, will wait till monday with continueing trying to "bootstrap" all jboss packages
[13:44] <slytherin> geser: Please go head with your fix. Looks like circular dependency is upstream problem and it will take more time to investigate. By continuing what we are doing we will be out of deadlock soon.
[13:44] <geser> good
[14:09] <bmm> Hi. I would like to try the new empathy on AMD64 but the build log shows a failure: Could not create directory /buildd : Permission denied
[14:09] <bmm> Is this a common problem with builds? Something that can be fixed easily, anything I can do about it?
[14:14] <geser> my guess would be a packaging error
[14:23] <slytherin> bmm: is latest empathy not available in backports?
[14:23] <bmm> geser: the i386 version was packaged and correct.
[14:23] <Iulian> Anybody knows why 'http://sf.net/salasaga/salasaga-([0-9]+\.[0-9]*[02468])\.tar\.bz2' doesn't work?
[14:23] <bmm> slytherin: not really sure, let me check....
[14:24] <slytherin> Iulian: do you really need that bug expression?
[14:25] <Iulian> slytherin: Bug expression?
[14:25] <bmm> slytherin: not according to packages.ubuntu.com, .23 is in intrepid and .22 is in hardy, nothing in backports
[14:26] <Iulian> slytherin: I'd like to avoid dev versions which are odd numbered
[14:27] <Iulian> slytherin: Dev versions are 0.7.x, 0.9.x, 1.1.x and stable 0.8.x, 1.0.x, 1.2.x
[14:29] <slytherin> Iulian: s/bug/big
[14:30] <slytherin> bmm: then which version do you want? AFAIK, 0.23 is latest
[14:30] <bmm> Iluian: don't forget the alpha
[14:30] <bmm> slytherin: yes 0.23 is the latest and build find on i386, but the AMD64 version doesn't build and the buildlog shows a failure I mentioned earlier.
[14:31] <bmm> slytherin: I hope to get it working and because it does work on i386 I though it might be a common problem that maybe I could help with.
[14:31] <bmm> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/empathy
[14:31] <slytherin> bmm: any link to build log?
[14:32] <bmm> slytherin: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/0.23.3-1ubuntu1/+build/642825
[14:32] <Iulian> bmm: Any idea how to do that?
[14:32] <slytherin> Iulian: does this work for you - http://sf.net/medit/mooedit-(.*)\.tar\.bz2
[14:32] <AnAnt> doko: thanks
[14:33] <geser> I'm not sure if calling scrollkeeper-update during build in normal/usefull, try asking that in #ubuntu-desktop
[14:33] <bmm> Iulian: nope, but you might use something like "no number (to stop versions) and then anything": [^0-9].+
[14:33] <Iulian> slytherin: If I do that, it will not avoid development versions.
[14:34] <slytherin> geser: But then it should have failed on i386 also
[14:37] <slytherin> but you are right, scrollkeeper update should go in post install
[14:42] <kdubois> how can you make sure a package will work on 'fresh' machines?
[14:43] <slytherin> kdubois: what do you mean?
[14:43] <kdubois> as in, how can i make sure my package will work on pretty much any machine someone tries to install it on?
[14:43] <kdubois> is there any tests i can do to that effect?
[14:45] <bmm> slytherin: I have no idea what I'm talking about, but matching up the logs the actual problem might be that the i386 build machine is missing some files. The i386 machine has a "Cannot stat file: ///usr/share/gnome/help/empathy/C/empathy.xml : No such file or directory" before the place where the amd64 fails
[14:46] <bmm> So maybe because the amd64 has those files (it doesn't have the same error) it then goes on to try to create the directory and fails while i386 build keeps going
[14:46] <slytherin> bmm: that itself is a problem then.
[14:46] <Zdra> bmm: I have that problem when building empathy on ibex 386
[14:46] <Zdra> the fix is installing scrollkeeper
[14:46] <Zdra> which should have been replaced by something else now
[14:46] <bmm> btw.. I was comparing: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15662715/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.empathy_0.23.3-1ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16372360/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.empathy_0.23.3-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:46] <slytherin> kdubois: as long as dependencies are correct, there shouldn't be any problem.
[14:46] <Zdra> bmm: on hardy it works
[14:47] <kdubois> thanks slytherin, i guess it was a bit of a paranoid question anyways
[14:47] <Zdra> I suppose this is a bug with ibex's rarian-compat since that's the replace for scrollkeeper
[14:49] <bmm> Zdra: just to be sure we are talking about the same, I was comparing i386 ibex and amd64 ibex builds, so how can the dependency be a problem?
[14:50] <emgent> evening
[14:51] <Iulian> I'm trying to fix arch-dep-package-has-big-usr-share. I have created a -common package (http://iulian.devzero.co.uk/tmp/control) but how do I move all files from /usr/share to this package?
[14:52] <Iulian> These are the contents of my -common package: http://iulian.devzero.co.uk/tmp/contents
[14:52] <Iulian> It should move all files from /usr/share to that package. Am I missing something?
[14:54] <Zdra> bmm: when compiling empathy (from upstream, not packaging) on my ibex 32bits I get that error: http://pastebin.be/13077
[14:54] <Zdra> on hardy 64bits it works
[14:54] <LucidFox> Iulian> Are you using CDBS or just debhelper?
[14:54] <Zdra> If I install scrollkeeper it works on ibex
[14:55] <Iulian> LucidFox: dh
[14:55] <Zdra> scrollkeeper get replaced by rarian => that's a bug in ibex's version of rarian
[14:55] <LucidFox> Iulian> Then you should install your files to debian/tmp and use debian/*.install files and dh_install to move the files for each package
[14:56] <bmm> Zdra: weird, the log for i386 shows the installation just running over that problem and continuing. Still, can't compete with a new test as the build logs are probably just old. Do you want me to file a scollkeeper to rarian bug in launchpad?
[14:56] <Iulian> LucidFox: Ah-ha, thanks.
[14:57] <slytherin> LucidFox: when using debian/*.install, the files should go in debian/<packagename> right?
[14:58] <LucidFox> slytherin> Yes
[14:58] <slytherin> LucidFox: you told him to use debian/tmp
[14:58] <Zdra> bmm: yes, there is obviously a bug to fill somewhere :)
[14:59] <bmm> Zdra: k, on it. Thank you for the help!
[15:00] <LucidFox> slytherin> eh
[15:00] <LucidFox> well
[15:00] <Zdra> bmm: thank for filling bugs :D
[15:00] <LucidFox> dh_install moves files to debian/<packagename>
[15:00] <LucidFox> and it's used to move files _from_ debian/tmp
[15:00] <bmm> np
[15:01] <LucidFox> so if he's splitting a package into two, he should install to debian/tmp and then use install files to move the files from there for each package
[15:01] <blondie1> http://blonde-dude.net/forum/index.php
[15:02] <LucidFox> slytherin> I don't know if my voice counts or only council voices do, but I've posted a +1 for your Ubuntu Contributing Developers application
[15:03] <slytherin> LucidFox: Thanks. Of course sponsors voice counts.
[15:09] <LucidFox> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/libjna-java-0807301410/libjna-java-3.0.4/debian/changelog <-- A Russian girl working at Sun? o_O
[15:12] <james_w> LucidFox: what's so strange about that?
[15:15] <LucidFox> james_w> Nothing, except that it breaks, like, five Russian stereotypes at once :p
[15:16] <bmm> Just filed #253295 about the build problems with empathy mentioned earlier. Thanks for the help all.
[15:23] <tuxmaniac> hi. if there is a new upstream release, which is not packaged in Debian and the debian maintainers seemed to be not so active what do you think is the best way to rsolve the issue? Package it for ubuntu or rise a bug in Debian and wait for sometime until the maintainers get back to you?
[15:24] <tuxmaniac> or rise a bug in LP and wait
[15:24] <james_w> tuxmaniac: there's nothing stopping you from doing both at the same time
[15:24] <tuxmaniac> ?
[15:24] <james_w> you can package a new upstream for Ubuntu, and file a bug in Debian requesting that they update, and point to your package if the update isn't simply changing the version number
[15:25] <tuxmaniac> james_w: no. LAst time I got flamed for trying to package a software in debian for which I was upstream. there was some misunderstanding that I was trying to hijack the package. So didnt want to repeat something similar here. So asked for advice.
[15:26] <james_w> there's no harm in filing a bug in Debian
[15:28] <tuxmaniac> james_w: thanks
[15:52] <tuxmaniac> What if there is a new package in Debian and it is not present in Ubuntu until date. Is that enough if I rise a sync request? or is there some other procedure?
[15:53] <tuxmaniac> Debian unstable I mean
[15:53] <geser> tuxmaniac: just a simple sync request
[15:54] <tuxmaniac> geser: thanks
[15:57] <Iulian> LucidFox: Hmm, how do I dh_install the files? I need to install all files from /usr/share to the -common package. I have create a .install file which contains debian/tmp/usr/share/* but don't know how to use dh_install.
[15:57] <geser> perhaps also add a small rationale why it should get added now if you need sponsoring
[15:58] <tuxmaniac> yeah I am adding that. geser is it necessary (essential) to check whether it builds under interpid pbuilder before rising such a request?
[15:58] <tuxmaniac> intrepid
[16:00] <tuxmaniac> hmm LaserJock is debian uploader for that.
[16:00] <geser> tuxmaniac: sure, I only sponsor sync request that build in intrepid
[16:00] <LucidFox> Iulian> Is dh_install called in your debian/rules file already?
[16:00] <geser> why should we sync something that doesn't build in intrepid?
[16:01] <LucidFox> Iulian> By the way, the install file for the common package should be named debian/[packagename]-common.install
[16:02] <Iulian> LucidFox: I didn't call dh_install. All I have to do is call 'dh_install' ?
[16:03] <Iulian> LucidFox: Well, I only call it when I have to install some file to a specific dir.
[16:03] <Iulian> LucidFox: Oh and yes, I called it twice but not for the -common package.
[16:04] <LucidFox> Iulian> yes, you call dh_install without parameters
[16:05] <LucidFox> and calling dh_install with parameters isn't good, you should move such calls to your *.install files
[16:06] <Iulian> LucidFox: Ohh, that explains it.
[16:06] <Iulian> LucidFox: Thanks
[16:08] <slytherin> geser: LucidFox: An update to 'electric' pending for long time. And you are the only java experts here. Can anyone of you find time today?
[16:09] <tuxmaniac> slytherin: thanks for that :-)
[16:09] <LucidFox> slytherin> Bug link?
[16:09] <slytherin> tuxmaniac: I am hoping that once it is updated in Ubuntu I can make a call for adoption in D-Java list
[16:10] <tuxmaniac> slytherin: I am ready to take it up. though I dont know much of Java, I am very interested in that package
[16:10] <slytherin> LucidFox: bug 242720
[16:10] <geser> slytherin: don't exaggerate :) I'm not a java expert
[16:11] <slytherin> geser: Well, the problem is that I am not a MOTU yet. :-P
[16:11] <LucidFox> doko> So I guess openjdk is now preferred to gcj for building packages?
[16:12] <tuxmaniac> slytherin: btw, did you succeed in making it build under gcj?
[16:12] <slytherin> tuxmaniac: nope
[16:13] <slytherin> tuxmaniac: looks like gcj problem.
[16:13] <slytherin> geser: FYI ... lucene2 still fails to build with GCJ. The unit test failure is same. Do you think we should report bug in GCJ? I heard OOo 3 is going to make use of GCJ.
[16:14] <slytherin> LucidFox: Why not try building with GCJ?
[16:15] <slytherin> I mean GCJ, openjdk, Sun jdk should be sequence
[16:16] <LucidFox> slytherin> doko posted on ubuntu-devel-announce that it's now preferable to depend on default-jdk
[16:17] <slytherin> LucidFox: yes that I know. default-jdk in turn depends on GCJ for most arch.
[16:17] <LucidFox> Does it?
[16:17] <LucidFox> "Recently Openjdk6 was promoted to main; with today's upload of java-common, OpenJDK6 is the default java runtime / development kit in main, on all architectures."
[16:22] <slytherin> LucidFox: Oh, I didn't read that.
[16:23] <tuxmaniac> geser: pakcage builds under intrepid pbuilder. Rising the request now
[16:25] <tuxmaniac> if someone has time please sponsor package for bug 253324. thanks in advance
[16:34] <ivoks> anyone from ubuntu motu-sru here?
[16:35] <Iulian> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg57295.html tells me to not ship BitstreamVera but depend on it. I added ttf-bitstream-vera to Depends and created a patch which removes the fonts/ directory. Isn't it the right way for doing this?
[16:35]  * Iulian feels confused
[16:35] <geser> ivoks: motu-sru seems to be awol
[16:36] <ivoks> :) ok
[16:38] <slytherin> Iulian: can you do it this way if possible. The package must be including fonts directory form somewhere like in debian/*install. So simply remove it.
[16:38] <slytherin> tuxmaniac: what is avagadro about?
[16:40] <tuxmaniac> slytherin: straight from the name. Molecules, atoms etc.
[16:40] <tuxmaniac> :-)
[16:40] <Iulian> slytherin: Vincent told to not ship BitstreamVera, that confuses me.
[16:40] <slytherin> Iulian: which package is it?
[16:40] <Iulian> I thought adding ttf-bitstream-vera to depends will fix it.
[16:41] <Iulian> slytherin: salasaga
[16:41] <slytherin> Iulian: I mean the fonts from source will go in the package only if you specify somewhere to include it. So instead of writing a patch to delete directory, do not include the fonts
[16:42] <Iulian> slytherin: Oh, will think after supper how to do that.
[16:42] <slytherin> tuxmaniac: right, avagadro sounded familiar but was not able to remember the context.
[16:42] <slytherin> damn, I loved chemistry.
[16:43] <tuxmaniac> slytherin: how can you forget the great Avogadro number.
[16:43] <geser> Iulian: you could also patch the Makefile to not install them or rm them after make install again from debian/tmp/...
[16:44] <slytherin> tuxmaniac: I forgot many things form school. I was expert in maths and chemistry and now I don't remember half the things.
[16:44] <geser> Iulian: which way you choose it's up to you as long as the fonts don't get included in the binary deb
[16:44] <tuxmaniac> slytherin: why does our gnusim8085 still having local changes on Ubuntu? I think it can be directly merged from Debian. Do you know any reasons?
[17:01] <slytherin> tuxmaniac: sorry, I was away. See if all the patches in Ubuntu have been merged in Debian. If yes then sync otherwise merge
[17:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[17:17] <Iulian> geser: Will try to patch the Makefile
[17:17] <Iulian> Hi bddebian.
[17:17] <bddebian> Hello Iulian
[17:17] <foxjazz> hellooo
[17:31] <geser> Hi bddebian
[17:32] <bddebian> Heya geser
[17:32] <LaserJock> hi Barry
[17:36] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, how have you been?
[17:36] <LaserJock> sorry gotta run
[17:36] <LaserJock> bddebian: bug good
[17:48] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: heya
[17:49] <bddebian> Hi tuxmaniac
[17:53] <foxjazz> how come ubuntu runs sooo slow on vmware
[17:56] <poningru> foxjazz, use jesus os
[17:56] <poningru> err jeos
[17:56] <LaserJock> poningru: lol
[17:56] <poningru> ;)
[17:56] <LaserJock> poningru: I thought that was called Ubuntu CE ;-)
[17:57] <poningru> naah its obviously the MID edition
[17:57] <poningru> or whatever the mobile edition is called
[17:57] <poningru> you know compete with the jesus phone
[17:57] <poningru> you gotta have the jesus os
[17:57] <LaserJock> heh
[17:58] <tuxmaniac> if a FTBFS is fixed in Intrepid, the status of the bug should be fix committed?
[17:58] <poningru> jesus phone == iphone btw
[17:58] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: should be Fix Released, no?
[17:58] <cody-somerville> Fixed Released
[17:58] <LaserJock> btw all, Ubuntu QA meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes
[17:58] <tuxmaniac> Relesed? I thought it is for current releases only
[17:58] <cody-somerville> No
[17:58] <cody-somerville> The opposite
[17:58] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: no, when it's fixed in the archive somewhere
[17:59] <tuxmaniac> ok. 1 bug down yay!
[18:00] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Avogadro sync request rised :-)
[18:01] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: awesome, I hadn't had a chance to do it myself
[18:02] <poningru> while we are talking bugs... *cough* bug 245672 *cough*
[18:12]  * cody-somerville coughs poningru over to the kernel team.
[18:14] <huats> norsetto: !
[18:14] <huats> (sorry I got to run now, but I'll connect tonight)
[18:14] <huats> (and count this point ;))
[18:25] <poningru> cody-somerville, lol true
[18:26] <poningru> advice please
[18:26] <poningru> need to find a good iso repackager
[18:26] <poningru> reconstructor??
[18:35] <slayton> when a newer version of a package is available and installed automatically, does the postrem script get called on the old package before the newer version is installed?
[18:37] <norsetto> slayton: ah, I see you have not attended the maintainer scripts lecture ...
[18:38] <slayton> norsetto... alas i have not... I was not aware of them
[18:38] <slayton> norsetto, where can I go to get information about the various lectures that are offered?
[18:39]  * geser waits on norsetto pointing slayton to the lecture log
[18:40] <norsetto> slayton: they are announced on all devel m.l.
[18:40] <norsetto> slayton: there is also the motu school wiki pages
[18:41] <slayton> oh... that class was 2 days ago...
[18:44] <porthose> slayton:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/MaintainerScripts
[18:45] <BUGabundo_work> is steve langasek here?
[18:45] <slangasek> yes, but you have to squint to see him
[18:45] <slayton> porthose: ty
[18:45] <porthose> slayton: np
[18:46] <BUGabundo_work> hy there
[18:46] <BUGabundo_work> I was discussing with gnomefreak in #ubuntu+a
[18:46] <BUGabundo_work> #ubuntu+1
[18:46] <norsetto> slayton: for quick reference you can just read the dpkg man page, otherwise refer to the debian policy, ch. 6
[18:46] <BUGabundo_work> about my system today broke
[18:47] <BUGabundo_work> I think it might be PAM slangasek
[18:47] <slangasek> well, that's possible
[18:47] <BUGabundo_work> GDM fails to start
[18:47] <BUGabundo_work> and from a shell with root
[18:47] <BUGabundo_work> I can't do "su bugabundo"
[18:47] <slangasek> hmm, gdm failing to start is probably not PAM's doing
[18:47] <BUGabundo_work> says /bin/bash: permition denied
[18:48] <slangasek> ... and a permission error on /bin/bash is probably also not PAM's doing
[18:48] <porthose> slayton:  norsetto gave a very good lecture, a lot of good info :)
[18:48] <slangasek> what does ls -l /bin/bash show?
[18:48] <BUGabundo_work> well GDM will not stat 'cause I can't even login to any other user other then root
[18:48] <slayton> i'm reading it now.
[18:48] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: are you sure that GDM failing to start isn't an X problem?
[18:49] <BUGabundo_work> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root .....
[18:49] <BUGabundo_work> startx as root works fine
[18:49] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: aside from having to load the library (and I see no evidence that's broken), PAM only comes into play with GDM after it's started and you're trying to log in
[18:49]  * gnomefreak thinks its not pam to be honest
[18:49] <BUGabundo_work> lol gnomefreak
[18:49] <BUGabundo_work> ok... let me see the update log again
[18:49] <BUGabundo_work> and see if I see any package that could damage my boot
[18:49] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: if pam you wouldnt be only one seeing it
[18:50] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: do you have selinux configured?
[18:50] <BUGabundo_work> I didn't ever activate it slangasek
[18:50] <BUGabundo_work> only if comes by default now
[18:50] <slangasek> ok; then I don't know what's causing your permission denied error on /bin/bash, but I don't see any way other than selinux that it could be related to PAM.
[18:50] <BUGabundo_work> humm GDM also got an update... where is Martin Pitt...
[18:50] <slangasek> heh
[18:51] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: its not gdm or everyone would se eit
[18:51] <gnomefreak> its something local
[18:51] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[18:51] <slangasek> gnomefreak: possibly only the people who have logged out of GDM :)
[18:51] <BUGabundo_work> help me debug it
[18:51] <BUGabundo_work> where would you guys look next?
[18:51] <gnomefreak> slangasek: i have rebooted since the gdm update
[18:51] <slangasek> gnomefreak: ok. :)
[18:51] <cody-somerville> BUGabundo_work, you might attempt filing a bug report like most people.
[18:52] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: can you describe more precisely /how/ gdm fails to start?
[18:52] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: does it fail to bring up the login screen completely?
[18:52] <BUGabundo_work> I know this suck saying... but I have already filed my share of bugs...
[18:52] <gnomefreak> i know works for me isnt really a test
[18:52] <cody-somerville> gnomefreak, just because no one else has reported it yet doesn't mean a highly popular package can't inherently have a bug.
[18:52] <BUGabundo_work> I want to track down this one first before just assuming its some package...
[18:53] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[18:53] <BUGabundo_work> like I said on #ubuntu+1
[18:53] <BUGabundo_work> today I instaled a propietary app
[18:53] <BUGabundo_work> x-lite3 a voip app
[18:53] <cody-somerville> BUGabundo_work, this is why bug reports are useful - you don't have to repeat yourself
[18:53] <gnomefreak> cody-somerville: very true
[18:53] <BUGabundo_work> after an half an hour I rebooted my system
[18:54] <BUGabundo_work> I know cody-somerville
[18:54] <BUGabundo_work> but since I first mention it, I've learned a bit more
[18:54] <BUGabundo_work> after reboot, GDM failed to appear
[18:54] <cody-somerville> BUGabundo_work, what appears instead?
[18:54] <BUGabundo_work> blank
[18:54] <BUGabundo_work> it seems we are going to have a new GUTSY TTY prob
[18:55] <BUGabundo_work> Nvidia binary 173 and vga=773
[18:55] <slangasek> what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show?
[18:55] <BUGabundo_work> let me see
[18:55] <norsetto> geser: who do you usually bother to have patches uploaded?
[18:56] <slangasek> if GDM fails to appear, it's not a PAM problem; if startx works, it's probably not an X problem either; but the log should still probably show something explaining what went wrong with GDM
[18:56] <BUGabundo_work> slangasek: I'll paste is on a pastebin
[18:56] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: yes, thank you
[18:56] <BUGabundo_work> oh.. no network... I have to ifconfig up and dhclient
[18:56] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[18:56] <norsetto> BUGabundo_work: you can also ask gdm to output debugging info, it helps to see where the problem comes from
[18:57] <slangasek> norsetto: how do you ask gdm to do that?
[18:57] <cody-somerville> BUGabundo_work, Can you pastebin /var/log/gdm/:0.log as well?
[18:57] <slangasek> frankly, I'm disappointed that no one has found a real bug in the new pam upload yet ;P
[18:57] <BUGabundo_work> slangasek: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/32292
[18:57] <norsetto> slangasek: have to search for that, its a long time I did it. There was a key to be set in a conf file IIRC
[18:59] <BUGabundo_work> cody-somerville: : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/32293
[19:00] <BUGabundo_work> cody-somerville: : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/32294 looks more intersing gdm0.log.1
[19:00] <cody-somerville> Can you switch to console and /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[19:00] <BUGabundo_work> sure
[19:01] <BUGabundo_work> but I won't be able to access the machine after
[19:01] <BUGabundo_work> since I can login as my reguler user
[19:01] <BUGabundo_work> I can't open ssh to it
[19:01] <BUGabundo_work> so no more logs ... lol
[19:01] <cody-somerville> ...
[19:01] <cody-somerville> You can or can't login as a regular user?
[19:01] <geser> norsetto: upload to where?
[19:02] <BUGabundo_work> I can NOT
[19:02] <slangasek> cody-somerville: well, something is preventing his user from executing his login shell
[19:02] <BUGabundo_work> just as root
[19:02] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: have you modified any files under /etc/pam.d?
[19:02] <BUGabundo_work> slangasek: any user
[19:02] <BUGabundo_work> I tried all 3 of them
[19:02] <BUGabundo_work> no I did not
[19:02] <slangasek> same 'permission denied' error for each?
[19:03] <BUGabundo_work> cody-somerville: I terminated my gdm session
[19:03] <cody-somerville> BUGabundo_work, then start gdm with the --no-daemon option
[19:03] <BUGabundo_work> yep
[19:03] <cody-somerville> errr
[19:03] <cody-somerville> -nodaemon
[19:03] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: can you run strace -ff -o su-debugging-log su <username>?
[19:03] <BUGabundo_work> su fernando \n Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
[19:03] <slangasek> and then post the full contents of all su-debugging-log* files somewhere that I can see them?
[19:04] <BUGabundo_work> strace gets me the same error
[19:04] <cody-somerville> copy and paste it
[19:04] <slangasek> yes, I want to see the log files that are created
[19:04] <slangasek> not the error message
[19:04] <BUGabundo_work> I've got two logs
[19:04] <norsetto> slangasek: You must set Enable=false in the [debug] stanza of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[19:04] <BUGabundo_work> let me startx and upload to pastebin
[19:05] <BUGabundo_work> is the content of those files sensitive?
[19:05] <norsetto> slangasek: I mean, true :-)
[19:05] <gnomefreak> norsetto: not default on devel cycle?
[19:05] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: they're a little large for pastebin; I don't suppose you have web space somewhere else you can post them to?
[19:05] <BUGabundo_work> I have some hosts
[19:05] <norsetto> gnomefreak: no, its quite verbose
[19:05] <BUGabundo_work> ill ssh to one and upload
[19:05] <gnomefreak> ah
[19:05] <BUGabundo_work> do I need to change gdm still ?
[19:05] <slytherin> BUGabundo_work: I have seen similar problem. can you check permissions of /dev/null ?
[19:05] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: well, any read()s from /etc/shadow may possibly display parts of your password hashes
[19:06] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: so it would be best to grep out any 'read' calls from the logs, yes
[19:06] <BUGabundo_work> slytherin: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root.....
[19:06] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: which you can do from the commandline with sed -i -e'/read/d' su-debugging-log*
[19:07] <slytherin> BUGabundo_work: ok, then next thing to check is permissions of home folders for the corresponding user accounts. That are the only clus I have.
[19:07] <norsetto> geser: to the repo, for things you have no upload rights
[19:07] <slangasek> slytherin: if he gets me the strace logs, I can see exactly why there's a permission error
[19:07] <slangasek> (it may not make any sense, but it'll at least tell me *why* :)
[19:07] <slytherin> hmm
[19:07] <norsetto> geser: I mean, I subscribed u-m-s but I'm afraid it will die of a natural death there
[19:08] <geser> norsetto: usually dholbach assignes a core-dev for my sponsor requests
[19:08] <norsetto> geser: ah ok, I'll wait until daniel is back then
[19:08] <geser> norsetto: you could try to find a core-dev yourself
[19:09] <norsetto> geser: are you applying any time soon?
[19:11] <BUGabundo_work> slytherin: all user accounts permitions look fine
[19:12] <norsetto> gnomefreak: there is also an utility called gdmsetup which should do that (I'm not on gnome, so I can't check)
[19:12] <gnomefreak> that file scares me
[19:12] <geser> norsetto: I don't know if I'd survive the TB grilling
[19:12] <gnomefreak> but yes been there
[19:12] <norsetto> geser: well, you won't know until you try ;-)
[19:13]  * cody-somerville wonders where our strace logs are.
[19:13] <norsetto> geser: I didn't know the TB was actually asking you to pass an exam :-O
[19:13]  * gnomefreak was hoping to see them as weel before i have ot leave
[19:13] <slangasek> right, so the problem is that something has set BUGabundo_work's root dir to be mode 0700
[19:14] <gnomefreak> i heard they are very strict
[19:14] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[19:14] <BUGabundo_work> let me guess
[19:14] <BUGabundo_work> runing x-lite as sudo
[19:14] <gnomefreak> ok he likes using sudo to run apps
[19:14] <BUGabundo_work> can I change it from a shell or do I need a live cd slangasek ?
[19:14] <gnomefreak> btw thats not good
[19:14] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: just run 'chmod a+rx /' as root
[19:15] <gnomefreak> but i doubt x-lite would cause that much damage
[19:15] <norsetto> lets all call him BADabundo
[19:15] <BUGabundo_work> done slangasek
[19:15] <slangasek> BUGabundo_work: now your system is fixed ;)
[19:15] <BUGabundo_work> let see
[19:15] <BUGabundo_work> reboot
[19:16] <slangasek> well - you probably need to check the permissions on /home too; it's possible that whatever did this left a trail pointing at your home directory
[19:16] <BUGabundo_work> is there a bug for that blank TTY on ibex'
[19:16] <BUGabundo_work> ?
[19:16] <gnomefreak> there used to be
[19:16] <gnomefreak> not sure if it still around
[19:16] <BUGabundo_work> slangasek: boot seems faster
[19:16] <BUGabundo_work> no fails
[19:16] <BUGabundo_work> didn't hang on io cpufreq
[19:16] <BUGabundo_work> D-BUS up and GDM up
[19:17] <BUGabundo_work> auto-login working....
[19:17] <norsetto> gnomefreak: would that be 177658 ?
[19:17] <slangasek> yes, having users other than root being able to access the filesystem usually helps
[19:17] <BUGabundo_work> got a POPUP about "install problem"
[19:17] <gnomefreak> norsetto: i dont remember its been filed since a1 IIRC
[19:17] <BUGabundo_work> "the configuration defaults for gnome powermanager..... bla bla"
[19:18] <gnomefreak> maybe home permissions?
[19:18] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[19:18] <BUGabundo_work> I thinks it has to do with gnome-power schema
[19:19] <BUGabundo_work> ler me see If I find that bug I reported
[19:19] <norsetto> gnomefreak: can't be mine then, its there since December
[19:20] <gnomefreak> i remember a few on hardy but this one im remembering is on intrepid
[19:20] <gnomefreak> oh wait he fixed his
[19:20] <gnomefreak> norsetto: nevermind that bug isnt around he had fixed it due to res. issue
[19:21] <BUGabundo_work> how I hate https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/249342
[19:21] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/242665
[19:21] <BUGabundo_work> it still isn't fixed
[19:21] <slytherin> geser: can you please sponsor this? bug 252384
[19:22] <norsetto> BUGabundo_work: why do you complain? Now we have a wonderfull ui, isn't that enough?
[19:22]  * gnomefreak wants wonderful ui
[19:22] <gnomefreak> ;)
[19:23] <BUGabundo_work> norsetto: humm for me it's a bug... when I press BUGS tag, I expext to be sent to the root of bugs
[19:23] <BUGabundo_work> so I can search for new and unrelated ones
[19:24] <BUGabundo_work> not to search in the same package
[19:24] <slytherin> BUGabundo_work: well, this is not the right place for complaining.
[19:24] <norsetto> BUGabundo_work: actually, thats one of the few things I like about LP
[19:24] <BUGabundo_work> do you norsetto?
[19:25] <BUGabundo_work> I know slytherin... we have #lp
[19:25] <norsetto> BUGabundo_work: I do indeed
[19:25] <BUGabundo_work> how do go to the beginning then?
[19:25] <BUGabundo_work> without manually editing the url?
[19:25] <norsetto> BUGabundo_work: use bookmarks ;-) or go to launchpad (upper left corner)
[19:26] <BUGabundo_work> its not as BIG as BUGs
[19:26] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[19:27]  * cody-somerville scratches behind his ear.
[19:28] <BUGabundo_work> since you guys were so helpful
[19:28] <BUGabundo_work> can I abuse you a bit more
[19:28] <BUGabundo_work> and try to make way with my WiFi?
[19:28] <BUGabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/230844
[19:29] <BUGabundo_work> the only kernel I manage to get "some" work done
[19:29] <BUGabundo_work> was 2.6.24.18
[19:29] <BUGabundo_work> all after that (that's why I keept updating to ibex versions) don't work
[19:29] <ion_> Anyone feel like reviewing http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=compcache-setup? Thanks.
[19:30] <BUGabundo_work> humm no one?
[19:30] <BUGabundo_work> ok... I guess I'll be without wifi for a while more
[19:36] <geser> slytherin: will sponsor later
[19:36] <slytherin> geser: ok.
[20:19] <foxjazz> where can I find the people that work on IM stuff?
[20:30] <ScottK> foxjazz: Depends on exactly what IM stuff you're interested in.
[20:43] <k0p> DktrKranz, are you there?
[20:50] <norsetto> is anyboy OUT there?
[20:51] <Jazzva> norsetto, the truth? :)
[20:51] <norsetto> jazzva: +1 to jazzva ;-)
[20:51] <Jazzva> ah... anybody... not "anything"
[20:52] <norsetto> actually, it is "is there anybody OUT there"
[20:52]  * nhandler waves
[20:53] <Jazzva> Apparently, my English skills are not so good :).
[20:54] <norsetto> Jazzva: hmmm, what about your English music skills then?
[20:54] <Jazzva> English music skills?
[20:54] <Jazzva> norsetto ^
[20:55] <norsetto> yes, that was a quotation from a famous album (ages before you were born ;-))
[20:55] <norsetto> huats!
[20:56] <Jazzva> norsetto, ah... That's the reason why I was confused :).
[20:56]  * Jazzva searches a bit about that...
[20:56] <huats> norsetto !!
[20:56] <norsetto> huats: slow as a snail :-)
[20:56] <huats> :)
[20:56] <huats> ;)
[20:57] <huats> I'd like to ask you: which tool do you use to detect all the trailing whitespaces when you are reviewing a package ?
[20:57] <norsetto> huats: good old kate
[20:58] <huats> ok
[20:58] <huats> so you are opening every files ?
[20:58] <norsetto> huats: but I guess vim should be able too *cough*
[20:58] <huats> one after the other ok
[20:58] <norsetto> huats: hmmm, yes, I'm usually looking at the content of a package when I review it ;-)
[20:59] <huats> :)
[20:59] <huats> I didn't know if you had an automatic tool :)
[20:59] <norsetto> yes, norsettomatic, it just needs a pasteque from time to time
[21:00] <huats> :)
[21:00] <huats> hum
[21:00] <huats> I had one too tonight :)
[21:00] <norsetto> huats: ah! I had two :-)
[21:00] <norsetto> huats: I mean, two slices ...
[21:00] <norsetto> huats: well, BIG slices ...
[21:00] <huats> :)
[21:01] <huats> no I had 1/4 of a small one :)
[21:01] <norsetto> huats: its good for your diet ;-)
[21:01] <norsetto> jazzva: found?
[21:02] <huats> norsetto: it is... I can eat fruits as a dessert for the diner :)
[21:03] <norsetto> huats: about your package, can you ask somebody else to review it? Once you have an ack, I'll just give it a final check and upload
[21:03] <huats> norsetto: sure...
[21:03] <huats> I'll find someone else :)
[21:04] <huats> (in fact I was right now looking for the remaining blanks)
[21:04] <norsetto> huats: everytime you squash one, its good to cry "AH! Another one bites the dust! Die!! Die!!"
[21:05] <huats> :)
[21:05] <huats> I will :)
[21:05]  * norsetto made another attempt at referencing an English song which is apparently lost on jazzva and huats
[21:06] <huats> norsetto: of course I remember this U2 song :D
[21:06]  * norsetto hit the head against the wall ... repeateadly
[21:06] <huats> ;)
[21:07] <norsetto> huats: beside, they are Irish :-O (hmmm, are they?)
[21:07] <huats> (no there are not I think)
[21:08] <Wubbbi> can a Motu take a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker please?
[21:23] <martoss> Hi folks, I am trying to build my first package with pbuilder instead of "on my system".
[21:23] <martoss> my problem is a "virtual depencency". I had to add libglib1.2-dev to the build depencencies in the control file and now I get:
[21:24] <geser> have you universe enabled in the pbuilder?
[21:25] <martoss> geser, oh, maybe not.
[21:30] <martoss> thx, geser that solved this problem.
[21:50] <martoss> "You need the gtkgl library provided by gtkglarea" although I have gtkglarea-dev, gtkgl-dev in my build-deps?
[21:54] <norsetto> martoss: you can check in configure (or configure.in, configure.ac) what upstream is looking for exactly
[21:58] <cody-somerville> Does /var/run get cleared at shutdown?
[21:59] <norsetto> cody-somerville: isn't /var/run mounted as tmpfs ?
[22:00] <cody-somerville> do
[22:00] <cody-somerville> *doh
[22:00] <cody-somerville> yes, sorry
[22:10] <foxjazz> what's anyone doing today
[22:49] <martoss> any ideas what could be wrong here: I have put a --with-blubber-prefix=/usr in front of ./configure in my debian/rules since I can configure with this option by hand inside of  a chroot.
[22:50] <martoss> If i run this with pdebuild, it doesn't find it.
[22:51] <martoss> I've configured pdebuild to drop me a shell inside, there, I can configure it with the library
[22:53] <geser> martoss: please pastebin your debian/rules
[22:54] <martoss> http://pastebin.com/f798a47d6
[22:55] <geser> this looks ok
[22:56] <martoss> I've modified nothing except the two --with...
[22:56] <martoss> the rest has been created from dh_ script
[23:49] <Wubbbi> Is a Motu online?