[00:13]  * Pici rolls his eyes
[00:13] <tomaw> Pici: what's that away stuff in #ubuntu about?
[00:14] <Pici> tomaw: Oh, just some people accidentally replying to RichiH instead of the user RichW (who is active) and getting notices back from RichiH that hes away/.
[00:14] <tomaw> ah
[00:15] <tomaw> I know he using a script that sends a notice if you address him while he's away
[00:16] <Myrtti> atleast he's not pm'ing
[00:16] <tomaw> a few staff find it useful but I don't really understand the attraction myself
[00:18]  * Myrtti shrugs
[00:34] <Myrtti> since when has the ban on shellium.org been lifted?
[00:35]  * Pici greps
[00:36] <Pici> Looks like for at least a month...
[01:37] <Flannel> How can we help you jryvoan? djs?
[01:38] <jryvoan> Oh, Forgot I was still here.. was going to report some spam I got when I joined the #ubuntu channel, but it's been like 15 minutes
[01:38] <djs> Hello.
[01:38] <djs> I tried to join and it did not give me the channel immediately.
[01:39] <djs> I wanted to try and introduce our growing community whose goal is to hold a linuxfest in the SE United States.
[01:39] <djs> Our channel is #southeastlinuxfest , and our website is http://www.southeastlinuxfest.com/wiki
[01:39] <djs> I did not want to just channel spam, so I wanted to ask how would be best to spread the word most effectively.
[01:39] <Flannel> djs: You should try talking to LoCo teams in the area
[01:40] <elky_work> djs: check who is in the access list for the channels, and ask their permission if you're worried
[01:42] <djs> I have been, but I just want to make sure I won't make some angry mentioning this.
[02:09] <xim> can someone test me for this dcc bug deal?
[02:10] <xim> i switched to port 8001 and it still wont let me in
[02:10] <stdin> did you get sent to #ubuntu-read-topic ?
[02:10] <xim> yes
[02:10] <Pici> Did you read the topic? especially the test me part?
[02:10] <xim> hmm ive tried it, ill try it again
[02:10] <xim> maybe i messed ups somehow
[02:11] <xim>  xim: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type « /topic » to find out how).
[02:11] <stdin> @bansearch xim
[02:11] <stdin> are you sure you're banned from #ubuntu?
[02:12] <Pici> yes, he is.
[02:12] <xim> i dont know if im *banned* its just forwarding me to #ubuntu-read-topic
[02:12] <Pici> xim: I'll try the manual test instead then.
[02:12] <stdin> yep, bot's just being silly
[02:12] <Pici> xim: ignore any strange characters you get from me.
[02:13] <stdin> (and please don't post them back)
[02:13] <Pici> xim: well, if you're still connected, you pass.
[02:13] <xim> i got your pm, but just some zeros
[02:13] <Pici> yep
[02:13] <xim> k sweet thanks it works now
[02:14] <Pici> xim: You can rejoin #ubuntu now, sorry for the inconvenience
[02:14] <xim> should it be permanently fixed?
[02:15] <stdin> unless you change back to the old port, you're safe
[02:16] <xim> cool thanks
[02:51] <nickrud> what does this mean: armrp has quit (Killed by LoRez ())
[02:53] <Pici> nickrud: lorez is a staffer, it appears to be some sort of connection kill, I dont know if its a k-line or not.
[02:54] <nickrud> Pici thanks, /whois lorez didn't return anything. Heh. /whois is case sensitive, who'd a thunk it ;)
[02:54] <Pici> nickrud: Are you sure you spelled it right? its not case sensitive afaik.
[02:55] <nickrud> armrp was complaining about pm spam, I sent him to #freenode and I saw that in a pm. (and I did mispell, can't read. It's been a loong day)
[03:17] <nalioth> please note that that is NOT how you report a spammer
[03:17] <nickrud> nalioth who do you report them to?
[03:17] <nalioth> nickrud: you report them in #freenode, just not like that
[03:18] <nickrud> nalioth I didn't see how he reported. Was he an ass?
[03:20] <nalioth> he pasted the exact spam message
[03:20] <nalioth> klineage ensued
[03:20] <nickrud> I'll make a note to tell people I haven't seen not to paste there ;)
[03:21] <nickrud> or maybe not, depending :)
[06:15] <Flannel> nalioth: What do you think we ought to do re: RootSudo wiki page?  get rid of the "how to disable password prompts" bit? or just slap a huge warning?
[06:16] <Flannel> er, nickrud.
[06:16] <Flannel> sorry nalioth
[06:16] <nickrud> I haven't looked for a long time ... going there
[06:17] <Flannel> Just scroll down to the bottom.
[06:17] <Flannel> Looks like it was added in a few revisions by kevin-neobalance
[06:19] <Flannel> I'm not sure which one I prefer.  Downsides to both.
[06:19] <nickrud> I'm not sure what I would say there. I had that setup in debian, but never set it up in ubuntu.
[06:20] <nickrud> It's a security risk, I think that should be mentioned. something like  "If you disable the sudo password for your account, keep in mind that anyone sitting at your unattended machine will have root access.'
[06:20] <Flannel> as well as anyone connected remotely
[06:21] <nickrud> true, to that account.
[06:21] <nickrud> But if they get access that far, they probably already have the password
[06:21] <Flannel> Unless youre set up SSH via keys, I guess.
[06:22] <Flannel> or even a bot exploit
[06:22] <Flannel> or some other daemon/service/whatever run as a user
[06:23] <nickrud> yes
[06:23] <nickrud> "If you disable the sudo password for your account, you will seriously compromise the security of your machine, by both physical and remote access"
[06:25] <nickrud> "If you disable the sudo password for your account, you will seriously compromise the security of your machine. Anyone sitting at your unattended machine will have complete root access,  and remote exploits become much easier for malicious crackers."
[06:26] <nickrud> "If you disable the sudo password for your account, you will seriously compromise the security of your computer. Anyone sitting at your unattended, logged in account will have complete root access,  and remote exploits become much easier for malicious crackers."
[06:27] <nickrud> poke flannel
[06:28] <Flannel> nickrud: aye
[06:29] <nickrud> or simply cut it back out. I'm of two minds here
[06:34] <Flannel> Check that out
[06:34]  * Flannel couldn't find a page with a big warning icon thing, although he knows thats addable.
[06:35] <Flannel> I originally had both things bold, but figured the monotony would lose its effect, so... one gets yellow!
[06:35] <nickrud> I was just thinking about that. Yellow is good ;)
[06:35] <Flannel> Its not in HelpOnEditing, and... I know I've seen a page recently with them, but couldn't remember which
[06:36] <nickrud> Flannel attachment:IconsPage/IconWarning3.png
[06:37] <Flannel> just... insert?
[06:37] <nickrud> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage , warning1.png looks ok to
[06:37] <nickrud> *too
[06:38] <Flannel> Ah lovely.
[06:38] <Flannel> stop.png?
[06:38] <Flannel> IconDialog-Warning1.png
[06:39] <nickrud> yeah, either. The hand is emphatic for sure though
[06:40] <Flannel> Hmm, doesn't seem to want to work.
[06:40] <Flannel> Oh, I'd have to attach it to that page... is there no way to just... link?
[06:41] <nickrud> {{attachment:IconWarning3.png}} I think is the syntax
[06:41]  * nickrud has not edited the wiki in a long time <hangs head>
[06:41] <Flannel> heh
[06:41] <Flannel> I tried that, in and otuside the table... doesn't want to work.
[06:41] <Flannel> I'll keep fiddling.
[06:42] <nickrud> the yellow is pretty solid, anyway
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> XKCD rocks today, again.
[06:42] <Flannel> ah, there we go.
[06:42] <Flannel> {{attachment:IconsPage/IconDialog-Warning1.png}}
[06:44] <nickrud> yeah, I copied from the same page, it didn't need the PAGE ref ;)
[06:47] <Flannel> Alright, I'll let someone else deal with the cell border, since my attempts were fruitless
[06:47] <Flannel> Looks pretty good though
[06:47] <nickrud> yep. Wanna poke Bogus, or should I
[06:48] <Flannel> nickrud: Go aheda
[06:50] <Flannel> nice tonyyarusso
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> Meanwhile in not-so-nice land, yet ANOTHER news story about cops assaulting cyclists for no reason making waves, via Digg.
[06:52] <nickrud> http://www.jazzandblues.org/programming/listen/links/?path=kkjz1.pls for real listening pleasure
[07:08] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes?
[08:26] <jussi01> Huomenta!
[08:28] <jussi01> xim: Is there anything else we can help you with?
[08:28] <jussi01> !idle > xim
[09:29] <jussi01> huomenta Myrtti
[09:30] <Myrtti> good morning
[09:30] <Myrtti> you've got psychic skills
[09:33] <jussi01> how so?
[09:33] <Myrtti> how did you know to say good morning to me when I had just connected?
[09:34] <Myrtti> notify?
[09:34] <jussi01> no Idea, but this reminded me:
[09:34] <jussi01> [11:02:48] --> Myrtti (i=myrtti@murjottava.myrtti.fi) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[09:34] <jussi01> [11:02:48] *** Mode #ubuntu-ops +v Myrtti by ChanServ
[09:34] <jussi01> [11:02:48] --> Myrtti (i=myrtti@murjottava.myrtti.fi) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[09:34] <jussi01> [11:02:48] *** Mode #ubuntu-ops +v Myrtti by ChanServ
[09:34] <jussi01> crap...
[09:34] <Myrtti> ah
[09:34] <Myrtti> kapsi had some connection problems
[09:35] <jussi01> :)
[09:35] <jussi01> Im off to lunch, so see you late
[09:35] <jussi01> r
[09:35] <Myrtti> or - calkins had
[09:36] <Myrtti> seeya
[09:38] <Flannel> Myrtti: You connceted 27 minutes before jussi01 said morning.
[09:38] <Flannel> connected, even.
[09:38] <Flannel> oh, and that's aleady been said.
[09:38]  * Flannel ignores himself.
[09:40]  * Myrtti pokes Tm_T 
[09:51] <nickrud> Insomnia, Flannel ?
[09:52] <Flannel> nickrud: What?  Its only 150?
[09:52] <nickrud> heh. your day must start late most of the time
[09:52] <Flannel> eh, well, not working tomorrow, so I can stay up later than usual, but 2ish is usually when I go to bed anyway
[09:55]  * nalioth loves insomnia
[09:56] <nickrud> texans. What can you say?
[09:57] <nalioth> insomnia strikes w/o thought to all (wo)men
[09:57] <nalioth> even caligornians
[09:57] <Flannel> all nighters are a wonderful thing.
[09:57] <nickrud> yep. I was infected while in texas. It flares on days we have earthquakes
[09:58] <Flannel> heh
[09:58] <nickrud> first time I wasn't on the ground floor for an quake. Only 5 floors up, but it was interesting
[09:58] <Flannel> Where abouts in the state?
[09:59] <nickrud> by LAX.
[09:59] <Flannel> Ah, pretty close.
[10:00] <nickrud> yeah. biggest I've been in, but the most effect
[10:01] <Flannel> Was pretty tame all the way down here, lasted for a while though.
[10:01] <Flannel> People still freak out, sort of sad.
[10:04] <nickrud> it was a long one. I did find a doorway to stand in.
[10:04] <Flannel> nickrud: In Ubuntu you just use pinning to pin versions
[10:04] <ikonia> who's in texas ?
[10:04] <Flannel> ikonia: texans
[10:05] <nickrud> Flannel I used pinning extensively when I was running a mixed unstable/experimental system. But it's been a long time, I don't have the fu anymore
[10:05] <nickrud> ikonia nalioth is a true East Texan.
[10:05] <nalioth> no
[10:05]  * nalioth is from Houston
[10:05] <Flannel> nickrud: Just don't look at the wiki page.  Someone perverted it rather aptly.
[10:05] <nickrud> nalioth may not be by birth, but you have the taint ;)
[10:05] <nalioth> "east Texas" is northeast
[10:06] <Myrtti> I lived in Cosa Mesa for few months
[10:07] <Myrtti> favorite place - Barnes and Nobles
[10:07] <Myrtti> (or Huntington Beach)
[10:08] <nickrud> huntington beach is only a few miles down the road. I usually end up in Santa Monica or Venice when I head for the beach though
[10:10] <bazhang> fake> how to say,  ubuntu is worst linux disto
[10:11] <nickrud> you'd say, "Ubuntu is the worst distro."
[10:11] <Flannel> heh
[10:11] <Myrtti> I'll mute him for next unproductive poke
[10:11] <bazhang> right; at least spell distro correctly :)
[10:12] <bazhang> hello srinux
[10:12] <srinux> hello
[10:13] <srinux> i go to sleep  i am from panama XD
[10:13] <bazhang> how may we assist you
[10:13] <srinux> 4:13am bye
[10:13] <stdin> mmm, k
[10:13] <Myrtti> okies
[10:14] <nickrud> polite visitor :)
[10:31] <Flannel> awwww... can someone look up the gutsy winehq sources.list entry? my DNS decided to crap out on my at the exact wrong time
[10:31] <Flannel> oh, nevermind
[10:32] <Myrtti> what's the official policy on naming deb packages made of _git_ pulls?
[10:34] <Myrtti> surely the release isn't "git4c7b196a929658c958c7f08a8b77cd707086d3fb" >__<
[10:34] <Flannel> probably version~git[date]
[10:35] <Flannel> or something.  Definately tilde involved
[10:36] <Myrtti> Jul 28 18:22:37 2008 ... so shell-fm_0.5_~git20080728 ?
[10:36] <Flannel> version~ to make sure when version is put into the real repos, it gets favored over the non-official one
[10:36] <Myrtti> shell-fm_0.5~git20080728 ?
[10:37] <Flannel> and then after that... I suppose you could do whatever.  prevu does version~[target]prevu1
[10:37] <Flannel> and I'm sure the 1 on the end changes
[10:37] <Flannel> -motu probably could tell you (and actually know)
[10:38]  * Myrtti shrugs
[10:38] <Myrtti> I roll only for my personal use with checkinstall
[10:39] <Flannel> then do whatever you'd like after the tilde.  version~thisishowIfeeltoday
[10:49] <gnomefreak> who broke the bot? :(
[10:49] <Myrtti> !ping
[10:49] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i cant add factoids
[10:49] <Myrtti> !fail | gnomefreak
[10:49] <gnomefreak> !ultramatix is <reply> ultramatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please join #ultramatix for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultramatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[10:49] <Myrtti> @login
[10:49] <gnomefreak> @login
[10:49] <gnomefreak> !ultramatix is <reply> ultramatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please join #ultramatix for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultramatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[10:50] <jussi01> gnomefreak: leave out the reply
[10:50] <jussi01> then add it in a sec
[10:50] <gnomefreak> huh? leave it out than add it?
[10:50] <jussi01> gnomefreak: watch
[10:51] <ikonia> gnomefreak: thank you !
[10:51] <jussi01> !ultramatix is ultramatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please join #ultramatix for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultramatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[10:51] <gnomefreak> ikonia: np
[10:51] <jussi01> hrm.. /me waits...
[10:51] <ikonia> gnomefreak: needed doing ahead of the mess this time
[10:51] <jussi01> hrm
[10:52] <gnomefreak> yeah i figured no one else had added it i will :)
[10:52] <Flannel> isn't it ultamatix?
[10:52] <Flannel> not ultramatix
[10:52] <jussi01> yeah it is
[10:52] <Flannel> !ultamatix
[10:52] <Flannel> right, I aliased it earlier today just as a place holder
[10:52] <gnomefreak> who linked it
[10:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:52] <jussi01> !-ultamatix
[10:53] <Flannel> this morning!
[10:53] <gnomefreak> !no ultamatix is <reply> ultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please join #ultramatix for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultramatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[10:53] <gnomefreak> damn
[10:53] <gnomefreak> !no ultamatix is <reply> ultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please join #ultramatix for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultamatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[10:53] <Flannel> Theres a few ultras in there :)
[10:54] <gnomefreak> fixed them
[10:54] <Flannel> !ultramatix is <alias> ultamatix
[10:54] <Flannel> since, that'll get typod a lot :)
[10:54] <Flannel> gnomefreak: not the channel
[10:54] <gnomefreak> why didnt he remember the fixed one :(
[10:54] <Flannel> he did.  You just missed one
[10:54] <stdin> gnomefreak: you know there's no need for <reply> there?
[10:54] <gnomefreak> stdin: im used to it
[10:55] <bazhang> !ultamatix
[10:55] <jussi01> should capitalize that first u
[10:55] <jussi01> and #ultramatix
[10:55] <Flannel> !ultamatix =~ s/ultramatix/ultamatix/
[10:55] <gnomefreak> jussi01: i did but i thought that is what was causing the failure
[10:55] <Flannel> !ultamatix =~ s/ultamatix is/Ultamatix is/
[10:56] <Flannel> !ultamatix
[10:56] <bazhang> channel is spelled right?
[10:56] <Flannel> I think I got them all
[10:56] <gnomefreak> Ultamatix! It is actually based on Automatix, therefore it looks and acts exactly the same. The good news is that Ultamatix is designed to work with Ubuntu Ultimate Editon 1.8, Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and the unstable branch of Debian Linux.This is a new automatix alternative.
[10:56] <bazhang> aha
[10:56] <Flannel> there is no #ultamatix, by the way.
[10:56] <gnomefreak> Flannel: yeah its not there
[10:56] <jussi01> !ultimatix is <alias>ultamatix
[10:56] <gnomefreak> Flannel: im looking right at it
[10:57] <gnomefreak> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ultamatix-install-101-applications-in-one-click-including-gamescodecsapplications.html
[10:57] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Eh?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> oh god no tell me its not true :(
[10:57] <bazhang> no such channel
[10:58] <gnomefreak> of all people
[10:58] <gnomefreak> bazhang: im looking for it
[10:58] <gnomefreak> and or the way support is done
[10:58] <Flannel> forums
[10:58] <Flannel> http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1365
[10:58] <Flannel> just tell them to see http://ultamatix.com/ for support?
[10:59] <bazhang> the banlist is about to grow methinks
[10:59]  * Flannel *whines* at life not being fair.
[10:59] <Flannel> we just got rid of automatix.  sigh.
[10:59] <Flannel> Wheres Myrtti to sigh when I need it.
[11:00] <Flannel> is ubuntugeek site run by imbrandon?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> Flannel: its based on automatix
[11:01] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I'm well aware of what it is.  I originally, regretfully, informed this channel about it.
[11:01] <bazhang> heh
[11:01] <Flannel> gnomefreak: but, I meant the fact that they stopped.  We had a brief honeymoon period (the last what, two months?) without any super-malice scripts
[11:01] <bazhang> read about it elsewhere first.
[11:02] <gnomefreak> !no ultamatix is <reply> ultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please go to ubuntuforums or to www.ultamatix.com for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultamatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[11:02] <wgrant> Oh wtf.
[11:02] <gnomefreak> Flannel: true
[11:02] <wgrant> Why is it being propagated by the forum god?
[11:02] <Flannel> anyone know if ubuntugeek is imbrandon? since he... should know better.
[11:02] <Flannel> or, at least, I would think he would know better.
[11:02] <wgrant> Or is it just a misleading site name?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> wgrant: scroll i tired #ultamatix and you know as well as anyone it will end up on forums
[11:03] <wgrant> Flannel: whois says no.
[11:03] <bazhang> right; I foresee the "but ubuntuforums told me to do it!!" posts
[11:03] <Flannel> oh...
[11:03] <gnomefreak> no but i know imbrandon this is aassuming he didnt get an acount there
[11:03] <Flannel> wgrant: Sorry, it was his regular Ubuntu mirror
[11:03] <wgrant> Wow. That logo is foul.
[11:04]  * Flannel grumbles at a misleadingly stupid screenshot.
[11:04] <gnomefreak> well where do we send them?
[11:04] <Flannel> wgrant: no its *superduperawesomerific* dude!
[11:04] <Flannel> gnomefreak: The ultamatix forums.
[11:04] <Flannel> NOT the ubuntu forums
[11:04] <wgrant> Flannel: Oh, I see where you got the idea it was imbrandon, right. I hadn't ventured that far into the article yet.
[11:04] <Flannel> the you-have-to-register-to-view-at-all forums
[11:04] <gnomefreak> Flannel: where are they? im looking atm
[11:04] <Flannel> gnomefreak: ultamatix, middle top button "forums"
[11:05] <wgrant> Can we talk to the ubuntuforums people to get a ban placed on Ultamatix references and the like?
[11:05] <Flannel> its a long string, I suppose we could tinyurl it
[11:05] <Flannel> wgrant: I'll poke Vorian about it
[11:05] <wgrant> I thought the world was safe from Automatix.....
[11:05] <Flannel> wgrant: it was for a little!
[11:05] <ikonia> wgrant: as long as it does get it's own sub forum like automatix did, I think that will be a big step
[11:05] <gnomefreak> im sending them to the register link since you have to register it looks like
[11:05] <Flannel> but, some automatix user thought it'd be cute to resurrect it.
[11:05] <Flannel> gnomefreak: you do
[11:05] <wgrant> Flannel: Right... /me cries
[11:06] <gnomefreak> !no ultamatix is <reply> ultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please go to http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1365 for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultamatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[11:06] <bazhang> seems that is not strong enough
[11:06] <wgrant> Interesting apt sources in http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/ulta/25.png
[11:06] <Flannel> wgrant: And they're even sort of kinda trying to use launchpad, at that.
[11:06] <Flannel> wgrant: I like the "harty" one
[11:07] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i can say alot of things to make it stronger but how strong "use it and die unhappily"?
[11:07] <wgrant> Flannel: That's the one I was talking about.
[11:07] <wgrant> Flannel: WHo is trying to use LP?
[11:07] <wgrant> And where?
[11:07] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Let me see if I have some of the old automatix ones, before we were forced to neuter them
[11:07] <ikonia> gnomefreak: its fine as it, spells it out clear and simple
[11:07] <bazhang> something like "ultamatix will break your system. You will lose all support here and be prompted to fresh install.
[11:07] <ikonia> wgrant: there is a blueprint for ultramatix which is a mgaret blog - its an annoying waste of resources, I'm tempted to speak to someone in #launchpad about it
[11:08] <Flannel> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~theemahn is the guy doing ultacrapix (and yes, he has no real name, even in the deb), and https://launchpad.net/theemahn2003 is the "ultamatix" project
[11:08] <gnomefreak> well im thinking about the warning,remove,ban line atm it should have ubuntu channles but what about kubuntu xubuntu so on
[11:08] <wgrant> Good to see that they capitalise UBUNTU properly. They know their stuff.
[11:08] <bazhang> suggesting its use and/or referring to it here will ...etc etc
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ikonia: if you have a contact in #launchpad go for it but wgrant is from there ;)
[11:09] <wgrant> It's intended to run on Debian but he hasn't tested it. Uhuh.
[11:09] <bazhang> wow
[11:10]  * gnomefreak goes for first smoke of morning. im not sure what it should say about #*ubuntu-* channels
[11:10] <Flannel> wgrant: but its *designed* for supercool debianizernessity!
[11:10] <wgrant> Flannel: Ah yes, I trust it now.
[11:11] <Flannel> gnomefreak: this is the best I can do in my logs: Automatix2 is a 3rd-party product attempting to automate installation of additional software. When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (See also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[11:11] <Flannel> but, thats way late in the game. I guess I hadn't started logging queries before that.
[11:11] <Flannel> Oh, we can grep #ubuntu logs
[11:11] <wgrant> I'm glad they show their CSS compliance.
[11:12] <wgrant> Considering they're not even valid HTML 4.01 Strict.
[11:12] <Flannel> wgrant: I thought it was interesting they had a CSS badge, but not an HTML one
[11:12] <ikonia> gnomefreak: I have no contact but as you say wgrant is here, so lets discuss
[11:12] <wgrant> Flannel: I suppose one is better than none.
[11:13] <Flannel> wgrant: If only we could somehow send out a call to all Ubuntu members, and get everyone to post their blogs/etc condemning it.  One giant tidal wave of fail.
[11:13]  * Flannel stops being silly.
[11:13] <wgrant> Flannel: That would be wonderful. But then we'd probably be attacked for inciting CoC violations or similar.
[11:16]  * bazhang is not a member but has already blogdemned it.
[11:16] <Flannel> I love the complete stock responses from the FAQ
[11:17] <gnomefreak> maybe we should add "use at your own risk and see !worksforme  but it is a big long atm
[11:18] <gnomefreak> bazhang: if you give me an outline i can post it to planet but i think factoid should be finished first :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> and how do we handle the why questions
[11:18] <bazhang> the why should be in the !factoid imo
[11:19] <Flannel> gnomefreak: why questions will be handled in person after the factoid
[11:19] <gnomefreak> problem is imbrandon im sure is one of the devs for it so he may debate the factoid or even what we say about it as in warning people and such
[11:19] <Flannel> since, they'll be tailored to the issue at hand
[11:19] <wgrant> gnomefreak: What gives you that idea?
[11:19] <Flannel> gnomefreak: No, imbrandon didn't post that.  Its just his mirror
[11:19] <wgrant> I don't think he'd be foolish enough to get involved... I hope.
[11:19] <gnomefreak> wgrant: he is one of the devs
[11:20] <ikonia> gnomefreak: maybe worth talking with him ?
[11:20] <Flannel> gnomefreak: that site isn't his, its just using his ubuntu mirrors... rather annoying and confusing (even to me)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Flannel: either way he is connected to it if not a dev he supports it
[11:20] <Flannel> gnomefreak: what gives you that idea?
[11:20]  * Flannel please don't say "because you said so".
[11:20]  * Flannel emotes random sentences without verbs.
[11:21] <wgrant> Hm. This guy is stupid.
[11:21] <wgrant> He has his phone number and address in whois.
[11:21] <gnomefreak> Flannel: if he didnt support it it wouldnt use his mirrors nor his screenshots
[11:21] <wgrant> And is writing stupid breakable software.
[11:21] <wgrant> Not a good combination for him.
[11:21] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Huh?
[11:21] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Anyone can use his mirrors, they're public mirrors.
[11:21] <bazhang> ultamatix will break your system. It is not supported here and is completely unneccesary. Install !gnome-do !ubuntu-tweak and ubuntu-retricted-extras from synaptic package manager. Use of ultaborkage *will* necessitate a fresh install.
[11:21] <gnomefreak> hold on
[11:21] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Its ok, until recently, I was confused in the same way you were :)
[11:21] <ikonia> wgrant: from a launchpad perspective is there any guidelines for what must be in place to open a project ?
[11:22] <wgrant> ikonia: It needs to be Free, and that's about it.
[11:22] <gnomefreak> see screenshots of terminal http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ultamatix-install-101-applications-in-one-click-including-gamescodecsapplications.html
[11:22] <ikonia> wgrant: so there is nothing contect related as in "you must be a spec, you must have a statment of work, a publicised contact" etc etc
[11:22] <gnomefreak> use his mirrors but use his terminal
[11:22] <gnomefreak> he has to be connected
[11:23]  * Myrtti wails
[11:23] <wgrant> gnomefreak: What do you mean by 'use his terminal'?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> i doubt someone would hack him for screenshots
[11:23] <wgrant> The only imbrandon reference I can see is mirror.imbrandon.com
[11:23] <gnomefreak> wgrant: see the screenshots on the link i gave
[11:23] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Which part of them? There are an awful lot.
[11:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm i missed mirror
[11:24] <wgrant> You did.
[11:24] <wgrant> Which we've been trying to tell you for a while.
[11:24] <wgrant> But I think we were all confused for a time.
[11:24] <gnomefreak> so he oked them to use his mirrors but doesnt support it (thats kind of a long shot)
[11:24] <wgrant> gnomefreak: It's a public Ubuntu mirror...
[11:25] <Flannel> !mirrors
[11:25] <gnomefreak> wgrant: he gave password and such to everyone
[11:25] <gnomefreak> that is a ?
[11:25] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Huh!? What!?
[11:25] <wgrant> Why does one need a password to access a HTTP mirror?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> hold on let me see something but an http mirror but who can add to it?
[11:26] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Those are just regular Ubuntu packages
[11:26] <wgrant> gnomefreak: ... it's an Ubuntu mirror.
[11:26] <Flannel> its basically doing an apt-get update right there
[11:27] <gnomefreak> someone has to have access to upload to mirror no?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> it cant be just ubuntu packages
[11:27] <wgrant> gnomefreak: archive.ubuntu.com, yes.
[11:27] <Flannel> gnomefreak: no.  Its a stock Ubuntu mirror.
[11:27] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Why not?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> wgrant: not everyone can upload to there. imbrandon can and im not sure who (themann) is
[11:27] <Flannel> gnomefreak: basically, they add to your sources.list, apt-get update, and with the update, grab both regular safe ubuntu, and dangerous third party
[11:28] <wgrant> gnomefreak: It syncs from archive.ubuntu.com!
[11:28] <gnomefreak> im sure not a whole lot of devs will support this so that makes alot less people to uplaod to it
[11:28] <Myrtti> Here goes wubi installation...
[11:28] <gnomefreak> its basd on automtix and the devs were highly against it
[11:29] <gnomefreak> based
[11:29] <wgrant> gnomefreak: How is this relevant to which Ubuntu mirror the screenshotter was using?
[11:29] <Flannel> gnomefreak: There's no doubt no one will support this except autoamtix users and new innocents
[11:30] <gnomefreak> Flannel: someone has to be
[11:30] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Why?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> example you have to be a ubuntu-dev to post to ubuntu archives (not motu) but if there are unsupported apps that we DONT carry how do they get on the mirror?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> they sync with us for official packages
[11:31] <wgrant> gnomefreak: They don't! mirror.imbrandon.com is just one of the mirrors that was already in sources.list!
[11:31] <wgrant> That screenshot shows no link between mirror.imbrandon.com and Ultamatix.
[11:32] <Flannel> gnomefreak: When you added automatix.com to your sources.list, you still fetched updates from archive.ubuntu.com
[11:32] <gnomefreak> Flannel: only for official packages
[11:32] <Flannel> gnomefreak: yes.  Thats what he's doin in the screenshot.
[11:32] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Which is what is happening here.
[11:32] <gnomefreak> we cant update un-official packages how are they being handled?
[11:33] <Flannel> gnomefreak: What?
[11:33] <wgrant> By another entry in sources.list!
[11:33] <gnomefreak> Flannel: and it would be?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> imbrandons mirror
[11:33] <Flannel> gnomefreak: no.
[11:33] <gnomefreak> than where
[11:33] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Imbrandon is syncing hardy/main hardy/universe etc
[11:34] <gnomefreak> Flannel: ONLY FOR OFFICIAL PACKAGES
[11:34] <gnomefreak> where do unofficial come from?
[11:34]  * Flannel is so not following gnomefreak right now.
[11:34] <Flannel> gnomefreak: some other repo?
[11:35] <Flannel> looks like ubuntusoftware.info
[11:35] <gnomefreak> repoubuntusoftware.info it seems
[11:36] <Flannel> but, the deb itself is just a download from his site, no repo for that.  I'm sure all the crap programs come from all sorts of "secure" thrid parties.
[11:37] <Flannel> So... this guy see's himself as a patriot: I would like to start off by saying the software if you so choose is based off "Automatix", but sold out to pioneer linux no such thing anymore. What started as the same script / software is the same, but on steroids. I won't sell out on you as they did.
[11:37] <gnomefreak> they have broken link on website
[11:38] <gnomefreak> he will just like automatix
[11:38] <gnomefreak> its bound to happen
[11:39] <Flannel> the forums are... interesting. to say the least
[11:39] <gnomefreak> link isnt broke it send you to homepage
[11:41]  * gnomefreak wonders why they synced with brandons mirror instead of using the ubuntu repos already in the sources.list
[11:41] <gnomefreak> seems like extra work
[11:41] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Because they use imbrandon's mirror normally?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> wgrant: it doesnt make sense. they should just enable ubuntu repos instead of adding a whole noew mirror with same package
[11:43] <gnomefreak> s
[11:44] <wgrant> gnomefreak: You mean to say that you use archive.ubuntu.com on all of your machines?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> wgrant: yes
[11:44] <wgrant> That's rather irresponsible.
[11:44] <wgrant> We have hundreds of mirrors.
[11:44] <gnomefreak> wgrant: doesnt matter what ones ar eused but if the mirror is already there why add another that is the same
[11:45] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Perhaps to get less awful speeds?
[11:45] <wgrant> To get more up to date packages?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> wgrant: ubuntu installs with main archives for your area when installed ok use mirrors but the packages in any mirror is the same so why add another repo that has same packages as ubuntu repos
[11:45] <wgrant> To get redundancy?
[11:45] <wgrant> EPARSE
[11:45] <gnomefreak> its extra work that isnt needed
[11:46] <wgrant> It has benefits, but is not strictly needed.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> bebefits with redundancy? i just think it should scan sources.list and add what is needed but not extra
[11:46] <gnomefreak> but im not a dev for them
[11:47] <wgrant> It's not the damn app doing it!
[11:47] <wgrant> The person running it just happened to have imbrandon's mirror in their sources.list before they decided to destroy their system.
[11:47] <gnomefreak> im gonna have to assume you are right because i havent used it
[11:48] <bazhang> I'm thinking of doing a fresh hardy install and seeing just how fast it will break with !utlraborkage
[11:48] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Neither have I, but it wouldn't add an obscure mirror like that.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> bazhang: automatix on steroids makes me think breakage happens faster
[11:48] <gnomefreak> wgrant: IIRC automatix did
[11:48] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Not that I ever heard.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> it commented your list and added 2 or 3 repos/mirrors
[11:49] <bazhang> gnomefreak, certainly; and since someone has to try it..(offers self as guinea pig) :)
[11:49] <gnomefreak> bazhang: goog luck
[11:49] <gnomefreak> good
[11:50] <gnomefreak> wgrant: my point is there is no way of knowing what it does until used and im not crazy enough to use it
[11:50] <gnomefreak> no offence bazhang ;)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> damn missed becker again
[11:50] <bazhang> :) none taken
[11:52] <gnomefreak> hm journal doesnt have wordpress support yet
[11:52] <Flannel> What do you mean there's no way of knowing what it will do?
[11:52] <Flannel> it'll take the first one, if that fails, the second, etc.
[11:53] <wgrant> Flannel: I think he means what mangling Ultamatix will perform on the sources.list.
[11:53] <Flannel> oh.  yeah.  not touching that.
[11:53] <gnomefreak> Flannel: can you prove it breaks or doesnt break your system and how it handles things?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> that was my point
[11:53] <Flannel> gnomefreak: multiple repos? yes.  It doesn't break anything.  It handles stuff.. like normal
[11:54] <gnomefreak> the mirrors or ultamatix doesnt break anything?
[11:54]  * gnomefreak talking about ultamatix not the mirrors
[11:54]  * Flannel has no idea what ultamatix does.
[11:56] <bazhang> amarok2 nightly build? whoa
[11:57] <jpds> bazhang: The Kubuntu team does that service.
[11:57] <jpds> !neon
[11:57] <Flannel> the sources.list line added is this: deb http://repoubuntusoftware.info/ harty
[11:57] <Flannel> er, harty all
[11:57] <bazhang> jpds, referring to what !ultamatix installs :)
[11:59] <jpds> -> http://www.kubuntu.org/node/28
[11:59] <bazhang> jpds, thanks :)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> well that kind of sucks :(
[12:13]  * Flannel is amused at GPL code author of automatix pondering attribution in ultamatix.
[12:13] <Flannel> someone doesn't understand the difference between GPL and BSD!
[12:15]  * Flannel is obviously getting a little loopy, having been up for 21 hours now.
[12:17] <bazhang> o.0
[12:25] <gnomefreak> stdin: if your not here can you get intouch with me later its about some of your packages in kde4 testing packages
[12:26] <stdin> gnomefreak: you mean the ones in the PPA?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:26] <stdin> what about them?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> you named they with ~hardy but the changelog as intrepid
[12:27] <gnomefreak> can think of the word im looking for
[12:27] <gnomefreak> target is intrepid
[12:27] <gnomefreak> s/named/versioned
[12:27] <stdin> well I didn't actually do the 4.1 final packages, but let me look
[12:28] <gnomefreak> well it has you as uploader so i figured you packaged them
[12:28] <stdin> which packages?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> akinadi automoc(nixterna) cmake ect it looks like all intrepid packages have ~hardy
[12:29] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/
[12:30] <gnomefreak> nixternal even
[12:31]  * gnomefreak waiting to get 4.1 final packages
[12:34] <stdin> I'm not sure why they build in intrepid when the changelog has hardy, but it doesn't matter as there are newer version in the hardy repo
[12:35] <stdin> I know sometimes I upload to intrepid by accident because debchange defaults to it, but I usually catch that and re-upload to hardy
[12:36] <gnomefreak> stdin: i just thought i would let you know ;)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> be back breakfast
[13:45]  * Myrtti sighs
[13:45] <Pici> hi Myrtti
[13:46] <Myrtti> hi Pici
[13:46] <Pici> same old stuff?
[13:46] <Myrtti> basically yes
[13:46] <Myrtti> apart that I'm feeling quite pink instead of the past blue
[13:47] <Pici> Pink is good.... isnt it?
[13:47] <Pici> or at least better than blue?
[13:55] <Myrtti> it is
[14:48] <Myrtti> as gord said in -ot about https://edge.launchpad.net/auto-ndiswrapper , I find the caption somewhat disturbing
[14:48] <Myrtti> "This program automatically looks at what Wi-Fi card you have, it disables any wireless driver currently installed, fetches the correct Windows driver from the Internet and installs it with NDISwrapper"
[15:44]  * Myrtti sighs again
[15:44]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[15:44]  * Pici hugs everyone
[15:45] <jussi01> Myrtti: why is that disturbing?
[15:45] <Myrtti> disables _any_
[16:10] <Pici> meh
[16:13] <Myrtti> couldn't say it better myself
[16:38] <Pici> hrm...
[16:39] <Pici> #ubuntu-br is +rR
[16:42] <Pici> zbrahead91: Good afternoon, how can we help you today?
[16:43] <jpds> Pici: He's harassing the bot in -uk.
[16:43] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[16:43] <jpds> No, he has no bans (they I know of)
[16:51]  * jpds wonders is any -uk ops are around.
[16:53] <jpds> if*
[17:32] <lolbarn> http://JennyTheBitch.com/?id=55c519ca
[17:32] <lolbarn> lol
[17:33] <gnomefreak> lolbarn: please leave
[17:33] <lolbarn> oh come on, its funny
[17:33] <gnomefreak> please leave
[17:33] <jpds> ...actually no.
[17:33] <lolbarn> oh come on, its funny
[17:34] <[twisti]> :(
[17:34] <[twisti]> woops
[17:34] <jpds> gnomefreak: ^
[17:35] <gnomefreak> i know
[17:35]  * gnomefreak was trying to be nice about it
[17:43] <ikonia> [COCKMASTER] nick ? what to do with it ?
[17:43] <gnomefreak> ban it
[17:43] <gnomefreak> to here and tell him
[17:44] <Myrtti> pm'ing him
[17:44] <gnomefreak> ban it to here i mean ban forward him
[17:44] <gnomefreak> or pm him
[17:44] <jpds> Did it.
[17:44] <gnomefreak> im thinking its not gonna help
[17:44] <ikonia> jpds: your ahread of me
[17:44] <gnomefreak> but who knows
[17:44] <ikonia> ahead even
[17:44] <jpds> gnomefreak: I saw him when he came in and thought... WTH.
[17:44] <gnomefreak> name in caps like that is normally i meant to do this
[17:45] <gnomefreak> he also went through the trouble to add []
[17:45] <ikonia> jpds: I sent a minute to see what his first comment was to decide what to do
[17:46] <jpds> ikonia: OK.
[17:47] <ikonia> sent ???? waited I ment
[17:47] <jpds> :)
[17:47] <nalioth> note the coutnry of origin
[17:48] <ikonia> what was it
[17:48] <jpds> .pt
[17:49] <ikonia> I want to bring kevin0 in here, his attitude an "homo" comment is getting annoying
[17:49] <ikonia> he was kicked and is saying "I'll speak what I want" ?
[17:49] <ikonia> is that acceptable
[17:49] <nalioth> ikonia: you're hte op
[17:50] <ikonia> he's not said anything offensive yet, but a user has just pointed him at the guidelines and he wasn't interested
[17:50] <ikonia> nalioth: just asking for experience
[17:50] <gnomefreak> someone might want to pm kevin if he wasnt warned about what he said to the above nick
[17:50] <ikonia> gnomefreak: the homo comment ?
[17:50] <gnomefreak> yeah
[17:50] <ikonia> delt with
[17:50] <gnomefreak> k
[17:50] <ikonia> hence why I wanted to bring him in
[17:50] <ikonia> as he's still "I'll say what I want"
[17:50] <gnomefreak> sorry i get smarter when im smokeing :(
[17:50] <ikonia> but hs'e not said anything yet
[17:50] <ikonia> so it seemed a bit pre-empt
[17:51] <gnomefreak> most likely but time will tell
[17:51] <ikonia> I'll leave him but keep an eye
[18:06] <ikonia> enough now
[18:06] <ikonia> debating it persistantly
[18:10] <Myrtti> 19:44 [[COCKMASTER]] yes
[18:10] <Myrtti> 19:45 [[COCKMASTER]] freedom of speech
[18:12] <gnomefreak> same user?
[18:12] <gnomefreak> the one from pm with ikonia
[18:13] <ikonia> the last 5 minutes have been a trouble-fest
[18:13]  * gnomefreak lucky i didnt get a pm yet
[18:13] <gnomefreak> i pmed the person that i removed by accident
[18:14] <ikonia> 18:10 <abbazabba> but when you have it, theres nothing like it you get excited.
[18:14] <ikonia> 18:10 <abbazabba> that's what my last call out to you was, now settle down =D
[18:14] <ikonia> 18:10 <abbazabba> so now i'm gonna rap to your ass through pm
[18:14] <ikonia> 18:10 <abbazabba> traces of love, long ago, that didn't work out.
[18:14] <ikonia> 18:12 <abbazabba> are you fucking serious?
[18:14] <ikonia> 18:12 <abbazabba> i'm in the middle of helping someone and you boot me because  i'm rapping to you
[18:15] <jussi01> oh gorgeous ikonia
[18:15] <ikonia> he was like that in the channel
[18:15] <ikonia> but without the language
[18:16] <gnomefreak> dont you hate that :(
[18:16] <ikonia> he'd been removed once and a few other users had gentle nudged him to get with the program
[18:16] <ikonia> he seemed all giddy with the other painful users that where going on
[18:20] <Pici> I think that went on for far too long. We should be asking the users to join here or approaching them in pm if they don't listen after a brief warning in channel.
[18:20] <ikonia> I approached him in pm
[18:20] <ikonia> hence why he got offensive
[18:21] <ikonia> Pici: I assume you meant abbazabba
[18:21] <Pici> ikonia: I meant kevin0 actually.
[18:22] <ikonia> ahh
[18:22] <ikonia> yes, I should have delt with him when I first sugggested
[18:22] <ikonia> I wasn't sure if it seemed harsh
[18:22] <ikonia> ahhh rats I meant to forward abbazabba to here and I only kicked him - sorry
[18:23] <ikonia> that was scrappy
[18:23] <Pici> I'm only halfway paying attention here.
[18:31] <gnomefreak> kevein is back
[18:32]  * jpds mutes
[18:32] <jussi01> yay for excitement today
[18:33] <gnomefreak> in coming
[18:33] <gnomefreak> maybe
[18:38] <Myrtti> mweep
[18:39] <gnomefreak> hes mad because i said damn
[18:39] <gnomefreak> he relates it to the same as you homo
[18:42] <jpds> Looks like my timed mute went away.
[18:43] <nalioth> jpds: he was klined, and is now proxy hopping
[18:43] <jpds> nalioth: Oh, I see.
[18:45] <gnomefreak> i guess since kevin isnt joining us here i can go for smoke
[18:53] <gnomefreak> kevinO: he didnt say pm but he did say it was delt with
[18:54] <kevinO> yeah ive been banned
[18:54] <kevinO> lol
[18:54] <gnomefreak> who banned kevinO ?
[18:54] <gnomefreak> nick change but that shouldnt matter
[18:54] <kevinO> my nick is the same, i have 2 units on same router
[18:55] <kevinO> KevinO and KevinOO
[18:56] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes, dear?
[18:57] <gnomefreak> your nick shouldnt matter
[18:58] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: dad you fighting with mom again?
[18:58] <Myrtti> my bwain huwts
[18:58] <gnomefreak> lol
[18:58] <Myrtti> Tm_T: Assembly poing
[18:59] <gnomefreak> kevinO: the person that banned you is no long at his keyboard, you may have to wait for him to return i pm'ed him to see what he wanted to do
[18:59] <gnomefreak> yes scrolling in #ubuntu is long and hard
[18:59] <Tm_T> Myrtti: what, where?
[19:00]  * Tm_T is lost
[19:00] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: that makes a bunch of us i think
[19:01]  * gnomefreak running through channels to clean up status bar
[19:01] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: alt-a =)
[19:01]  * gnomefreak scared but does it anyway ;)
[19:02] <gnomefreak> not what i was looking for
[19:02] <gnomefreak> much better
[19:02] <gnomefreak> it grows so fast
[19:03] <gnomefreak> ill wait a bit longer but i have to go to dump than dinner meeting than back hom shower to sleep at drs office for a sleep study
[19:09] <gnomefreak> hes sleeping that explains alot
[19:09]  * gnomefreak cant wait for him to wake up 
[19:11] <Myrtti> meh
[19:15] <mneptok> munt
[19:15]  * Myrtti pokes mneptok to the ribs
[19:18] <Myrtti> I'm so ready to lart ASUS-tek/ ZAXSES to another dimension
[19:18] <Myrtti> I'm slowly getting fed up with the leet-stylish language
[19:20] <kevinO> gnomefreak, here is that log to make things a bit easier to read http://pastebin.com/m50e0f7d
[19:21] <gnomefreak> kevinO: i have #ubuntu logs up
[19:21] <gnomefreak> im still at place of ban
[19:21] <gnomefreak> waiting to hear back but hes gone and i will be soon. nalioth Myrtti mneptok anyone with idea on leave ban or remove it?
[19:22] <Myrtti> I've got no idea what you are talking about
[19:22] <Myrtti> so count me out
[19:23] <gnomefreak> i would say kevinO wait until ikonia is around since he knows most about it
[19:23]  * gnomefreak waiting for an answer to something atm than im gone
[19:23] <kevinO> my stand is that i was punished for language that should have been end of story, then TiredWolf had to rub it in and provoke me.
[19:26] <gnomefreak> hard to tell if he meant you or abb....
[19:27] <gnomefreak> im sure atm it wouldnt be so hard to tell but reading the logs it is. and ikonia did ban you from your comment following
[19:27] <gnomefreak> 13:06 <          kevinO > and gnomefreak i called someone a homo who called  himself cockmaster. And how does your repeating what i said make it  any better than what i did
[19:28] <gnomefreak> i would say because he gave you a chance and you kept fighting it in wrong channel maybe? like i said i dont know what someone else is thinking
[19:28] <kevinO> no he did it because he could
[19:29] <Myrtti> @now mumbai
[19:29] <Myrtti> @now delhi
[19:29] <gnomefreak> i cant believe that since he let you back in after the first offence
[19:29] <kevinO> if he actually read the text, he probably would have noticed that other actions would be better suited for the situation
[19:29] <gnomefreak> within minutes
[19:31] <gnomefreak> atm he is the only one that knows why he banned you i just took a guess but i would say come back in 8-12 hours or so or tomorrow to talk to him, i left hima pm asking what should we do and thats all i can do
[19:31] <nalioth> we're not here to discuss the whys
[19:31] <kevinO> i dont understand why ops can use the bad "word", even if theyare pointing out what i did wrong. If your 3 yr old hears something really bad come out of of you4 4 yr old, would you want your 3 yr old repeating it?
[19:32] <kevinO> nalioth, just as i suspected, i dint have a place to make my case anywhere.
[19:32] <gnomefreak> :(
[19:33] <Tm_T> kevinO: who op used "bad word" and where?
[19:33] <nalioth> kevinO: not w/o ikonia here, anyway
[19:34] <kevinO> sorry gnomefreak, but Jul 30 13:03:40 <gnomefreak>	kevinO: yes your homo comment, and as soon as i was banned the last time, gnomefreak spits out "damn him" but he says he did not direct it at me and i believe him now
[19:34] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: /me said damn him about asac :( but i think hes talking about me explaining
[19:35] <gnomefreak> asac dropped offline from ozilla summit and i needed to talk to him about tbird3 that im working on
[19:35] <gnomefreak> mozilla
[19:35] <Tm_T> I see
[19:36] <gnomefreak> he has a right to know why im asking him to behave IMHO
[19:36] <Tm_T> kevinO: hmm, and you were banned saying "damn" ?
[19:36] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: me no
[19:36] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: he didnt say it in channel
[19:36] <kevinO> im actually pretty down to earth guys, i come on every now and then to look for help, then i staick around and help, every now and then i like to make a joke. this time it got out of hand.
[19:36] <gnomefreak> ikonia: banned him before he had a chance
[19:36] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes, I'm trying to understand this :)
[19:37] <Tm_T> kevinO: I hope this all end up well for all of us, you see my last question, like to answer, so I can understand this all?
[19:37] <kevinO> no i didnt say "d@mn" but i have seen people get banned for less
[19:37] <Tm_T> hmm, have any examples?
[19:37] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i said the above comment about him calling someone a homo that is way he was being warned (i should have done in pm maybe) and i said damn him talkjing about asac
[19:38] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes, I got that :)
[19:38] <gnomefreak> s/way/why
[19:38] <gnomefreak> i was under impressions that pm'ing him wouldnt have made a differnece (atleast at that time)
[19:39] <Tm_T> :)
[19:39] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I'm in "2131.59 < kevinO> i dont understand why ops can use the bad "word" "
[19:39] <Tm_T> because as I understand, ops should be as an example
[19:39] <kevinO> ill will just drop the point about "d@mn" cause it is just confusing
[19:39] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i know i should have done it in pm
[19:40] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes, I was just wondering if there was more in what kevinO said :)
[19:40] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: it started with ikonia and him a long time before any of this
[19:40] <Tm_T> kevinO: so, there's no bigger issue behind that except this one case?
[19:40] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: roger
[19:40] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: please ban me from #ubuntu make my day easier
[19:41] <gnomefreak> and no im not kidding
[19:41] <gnomefreak> can i bring my scroll back down away from logs?
[19:41] <kevinO> basically, forgive my language, but if a person says  F@ck you Mother F@acker. should the op be able to say, im banning you for saying "F@ck you Mother F@acker."
[19:41] <kevinO> i wouldnt think so
[19:42] <Tm_T> kevinO: no, op shouldn't repeat it, atleast not in support channel, I believe
[19:42] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: corrrect
[19:43] <kevinO> Tm_T, basically my issue is after i was already punished for something, some clown had to rub it in like he was somehow there for just that purpose
[19:43] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: but I won't ban you, bacause I didn't follow the situation when it happened, and I haven't seen it in logs either (I didn't look it to be honest)
[19:43] <kevinO> and then while trying to stand up for myself, i earned a ban
[19:43] <Tm_T> kevinO: shouldn't happen
[19:43] <Tm_T> kevinO: but yeah, if one misbehaves, it doesn't judge others misbehaviour
[19:44] <Tm_T> s/judge/justify
[19:44] <gnomefreak> the reason i didnt pm him is because once i heard "i can say what i want" and he complained aboiut it in #ubuntu i forgot to pm him to be honest
[19:44] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: you all make mistakes, dear hu-man
[19:44] <Tm_T> ;)
[19:44] <kevinO> Tm_T, i dont feel as though i was really misbehaving with tiredWolf
[19:45] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: im not in anyway justifying my wrong
[19:45] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I know
[19:45] <gnomefreak> k
[19:45] <Tm_T> because you cant =)
[19:45] <kevinO> he was trying to put me in my place so to speak and i wasnt having it, i was already kicked for my language that should have been end of story
[19:45] <gnomefreak> im kind of on his side in part. i wont remgmber ikonia ban though for any reason
[19:45] <kevinO> (tiredWolf)
[19:46] <Tm_T> kevinO: yes
[19:46]  * gnomefreak couldnt tell if he was talking to you or to abber
[19:46] <gnomefreak> whatever his nick is
[19:46] <Tm_T> kevinO: anyway, I would like to wait ikonia, so he can say his sayings, he's the one who makes the call
[19:46] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i wont be here most likely so please use my logs :)
[19:46] <kevinO> ok thanks guys, sorry to drag you into this gnomefreak
[19:46] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes son
[19:46] <gnomefreak> kevinO: it ok i understand wher eyou were coming from
[19:47] <Tm_T> kevinO: like to return in 8-12 hours or so?
[19:47] <gnomefreak> ok im off to get ready and see if i can shower at someone elses house sinc ei live an hour from dinner and drs is tem minutes from dinner
[19:48] <kevinO> yeah, ill be around :)
[19:49] <Tm_T> kevinO: for meantime, mind to part?
[19:50] <kevinO> sure
[19:50] <Tm_T> :)
[19:50] <Tm_T> wonderful
[19:50] <Tm_T> did it go well?
[19:56] <pikeshouse88> hi all. i cannot for the life of me get through to ubuntu
[19:56] <pikeshouse88> im using the ajax client mibbit.com
[20:00] <Pici> pikeshouse88: hold on a moment.
[20:01] <Pici> pikeshouse88: Can you try rejoining again?
[20:32] <Flannel> er...
[20:33] <Flannel> whats wrong with this?
[20:33] <Flannel> !purexfce is <reply> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[20:56] <ikonia> sorry, was away for a while, whats up
[20:56] <PriceChild> !purexfce
[20:57] <PriceChild> !unforget purexfce
[20:57] <Tm_T> ikonia: case kevinO
[20:57] <PriceChild> !search pure
[20:57] <PriceChild> !purexfce is foo
[20:57] <ikonia> ahhh ok, whats up with him ? did him come back
[20:57] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[20:57] <PriceChild> !purexfce is foo
[20:57] <PriceChild> !purexfce
[20:58] <Tm_T> ikonia: about why banned and what was the situation
[20:58] <PriceChild> jussi01: stdin: ping... editing seems broken? :/
[20:58] <ikonia> Tm_T: he started of with offensive language - was removed for it, seemed quite sorry about it to be honest
[20:58] <ikonia> then made a few sarcastic comments about armish ops or something along those lines
[20:59] <ikonia> a user asked him to drop the topic and stay on topic, he came in with the attitude of "I'll say what I want"
[20:59] <ikonia> a few users tried to advise him to stay on topic, as did gnomefreak which he did for a while
[20:59] <ikonia> but he kept returning to debating if he should be kicked, or how wrong the rules where in channel
[21:00] <ikonia> I'd spoke to him, regular guys spoke to him and gnomefreak spoke to him and he just wanted to row at the time
[21:00] <ikonia> I assume he's cooled off a bit now
[21:01] <Tm_T> ikonia: very, I believe
[21:01] <ikonia> good good, based on what you saw is it worth dropping the ban and letting him back in, ie: he;d clicked that discussing it in #ubuntu wasn't on
[21:07] <maco> civo-something in #ubuntu
[21:07] <maco> language
[21:07] <maco> civodull
[21:07] <ikonia> yes, I see him
[21:07] <maco> kk
[21:16] <Myrtti> 23:15 @,- ZyklonB is now known as BUSH_FROM_HEAVEN
[21:22] <Flannel> PriceChild: not edit, because editing other factoids works.  Might just be a creating factoid thing
[21:22] <PriceChild> !askdjal is foo
[21:22] <PriceChild> jussi01: stdin: what Flannel just said :)
[21:23] <jussi01> PriceChild: stdins been playing with it, we need to wait for him
[21:23] <Flannel> Interesting.  Reply is "I don't know anyything about please see above"
[21:23] <jpds> [Freenode] -Jonnyboy706(n=jonathan@205.144.218.234)- UMUTE MEH!
[21:24] <jpds> ?
[21:24] <Flannel> @btlogin
[21:24] <PriceChild> jussi01: thanks
[21:24] <Tm_T> Flannel: "ubottu: askdjal is foo"
[21:24] <Flannel> Tm_T: "baz" "I don't know anything about please see above" , baz is <reply> foo "I don't know anything about please see above"
[21:25] <Tm_T> hmmm
[21:25] <Flannel> er,sorry.  no reply to "baz is" but then baz again is the dont know anything
[21:25] <Flannel> she is broken, ubottu is.
[21:25] <Tm_T> ubottu: baz is <reply> is foo
[21:25] <Tm_T> er
[21:26] <Tm_T> ubottu: baz <reply> is foo
[21:26] <Flannel> no...
[21:26] <Tm_T> ubottu: !baz is <reply> is foo
[21:26] <Flannel> baz is <reply> foo
[21:26] <Flannel> baz
[21:26] <Flannel> !baz
[21:26] <Tm_T> ubottu: !baz is <reply> foo
 is wrong then
[21:26] <Flannel> ... interest.  Seeing te <reply> as <repl >
[21:26] <Flannel> no, its just not parsing correctly.
[21:26] <Tm_T> interesting
[21:27] <Flannel> er, reply  > foo
[21:27] <Flannel> which explains the "please see above" as well, I believe
[21:28] <Flannel> jpds: He is unmuted (was only ever muted in here)
[21:28] <jpds> Flannel: I talked to him, and appartently he randomly PM'ed me to ask someone to unmute him in #freenode.
[21:29] <Flannel> oh, #freenode
[21:29] <jpds> Freaky, but, oh well
 could somebody help with with a harassment problem? | <UdontKnow> kline is NOT a user education tool | * You may not connect to this server:   please do not harass staff
[21:47] <Idbaaa> staffers prove to talk bullshit :) muahaha!
[21:47] <Idbaaa> OHHH, what now? lots of policy violations? oh my fucking god! self indicated problems. holy shit! LOL! ROFL! LMAOOOOOOO!
[21:47] <jpds> Idbaaa: Please leave.
[21:47] <jpds> That was fast.
[21:47] <Tm_T> erp
[21:49] <PriceChild> Staff are well aware of him.
[22:30]  * Myrtti growls
[22:30] <Pici> hrm
[22:30] <jussi01> ?
[22:30] <Pici> my /away status was messed up, I just got all my messages from today.
[22:30] <Pici> oops
[22:41] <stdin> !purexfce is <reply> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[22:41] <stdin> one word change "and" -> "or" :|
[22:41] <stdin> stupid code(er)
[22:42] <PriceChild> Thanks stdin.
[22:42] <PriceChild> Flannel: ^
[22:55] <mneptok> i used to go codeer hunting.
[22:55] <mneptok> i stopped when the native habitat got too stinky and crammed with Star Trek DVDs.
[22:56] <ikonia> Mmmmmmmmmmmmm star trek
[22:56] <ikonia> make it so
[23:02] <Tm_T> kevinO: hi hi son
[23:02] <Tm_T> ikonia: ^
[23:04] <kevinO> hello
[23:05] <kevinO> i dont think hes here
[23:05] <Flannel> PriceChild: yeah?
[23:05] <Flannel> oh
[23:05] <Flannel> thanks
[23:06] <kevinO> ok bbl
[23:06] <Tm_T> hmmmm