[00:00] oh [00:00] we also need to disable installing plasmoids from the internet [00:00] JontheEchidna: I'd go for show dashboard because it exposes fancy new functionality [00:00] JontheEchidna: i have both here but rarely use show desktop [00:00] Nightrose: oh wow.. that's pretty useful once you told me about it [00:00] JontheEchidna: why? [00:00] Nightrose: there is also an desktop button in the plasma-addons [00:00] seele: ;-) [00:00] doesn't work [00:00] kde-look isn't ready for it [00:00] JontheEchidna: I think show dashboard is not needed. I have never used it :/ because it doesen't make sence to use it [00:00] nor would any applets be able to use it because they're all c++ [00:00] Xand3r: tht is what we are talking about ;-) [00:00] JontheEchidna: fancy doing the main inclusion report for quickaccess? [00:01] Nightrose: would probably be useful if they put the work "Plasmoid" in the description though :) [00:01] Riddell: is that what MIR means? [00:01] JontheEchidna: yes [00:01] any wiki I should read? [00:01] seele: which description? [00:01] JontheEchidna: wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportTemplate [00:02] Nightrose: Add Widgets description for Dashboard. Otherwise how do i learn that Dashboard means all the widgets [00:02] Wubbbi: how doesn't it make sense? [00:02] JontheEchidna: now you're in kubuntu-members you can commit to kubuntu-default-settings [00:02] seele: ah ok yea [00:02] Nightrose: ??? [00:02] JontheEchidna: so go ahead and commit and we'll get this in for the next alpha [00:02] I'm out of time [00:02] Wubbbi: you said show dashboard doesn't make sense [00:02] any other business? [00:02] how? [00:02] Riddell: for k-d-s is it just commit to bzr or do you have to then fix the package? [00:02] who all is going to be at akademy? [00:03] * Nightrose is [00:03] we should have a kubuntu dinner [00:03] so emm is the meeting finished? [00:03] oh yea we should [00:03] yuriy: it needs to be uploaded too [00:03] seele: I have to skip, unfortunately [00:03] Nightrose: yes ... why do you have to hide your dashboard? what is it good for? ( to hide the dashboard ) [00:03] seele: ooh, yes [00:03] Wubbbi: show not hide [00:03] Wubbbi: ? you don't use it to hide your dashboard [00:03] Wubbbi: brings the plasmoids up on top of your windows [00:04] Riddell, seele: let's get together for dinner one evening then [00:04] Nightrose: yepper [00:04] seele: Nightrose: yuriy: ohh ... wasn't that the plasmoid to hise the dashboard??? well what ever ... sorry xD [00:05] the previewer plasmoid is pretty cool too [00:05] * Nightrose hasn't really used it yet [00:05] probably should give it a try [00:05] I love the Comic Plasmoid ... dont remove it! [00:05] ;) [00:05] previewer plasmoid as released on kde-look has licensing problems [00:06] otherwise I'd have a package already [00:06] JontheEchidna: elaborate? [00:06] it's in playground though [00:06] Tm_T: just a sec [00:06] Is the weather plasmoid as default? [00:06] ok, thanks for a good meeting, time for me to go shopping [00:06] shopping? *g* [00:07] Riddell: oh, where are you now? [00:07] have fun Riddell [00:07] Tm_T: on the sofa [00:07] Tm_T: missing GPL in tarball [00:07] with an empty fridge in the kitchen [00:07] Riddell: I mean, shopping, ah, food, right [00:08] JontheEchidna: that's the only issue? [00:08] yeah, I think [00:08] ok, good [00:08] upstream hasn't replied to my email though ;( [00:08] maybe we could package all of playground? [00:08] while it still compiles with 4.1? [00:08] anyway, thanks you all, have fun and good night, this old hermit needs her sleep now -> [00:08] nini Tm_T ;-) [00:09] JontheEchidna: some things in playground are really too experimental and crashy [00:09] smarter: we could disable those, I suppose [00:10] or we could pick out the best [00:10] and package them separately [00:10] For what it's worth, I'd love the heck out of the RSS applet for 4.1 if it's relatively stable. [00:11] rssnow? [00:11] Yeah. [00:11] I'd like the CIA.vc applet... [00:11] * GreySim saw it in screenshots everywhere, but only just realized yesterday that it isn't actually available yet. [00:12] Re. [00:12] 'lo mornfall :) [00:13] hey mornfall [00:16] yuriy: Hey. [00:17] Now I have to remember all the bribes... [00:17] note plasmoid to the rescue! [00:17] mornfall: got your laptop fixed? [00:19] yuriy: Yes, all good now. [00:19] They changed the motherboard (ie. almost all of it, as it's a 12") [00:21] * mornfall is currently working on adept... [00:22] yay! let me know if you need anything tested [00:23] yuriy: I have apparently made a deal with Tonio to have alpha 5 tomorrow evening, so that will need testing. :) [00:25] JontheEchidna: don't worry - seele and I will poke you again and again until it is done :P [00:25] :P [00:28] Aye. Xapian index update GUIfied. [00:32] mornfall: and with seele, she's been asking for something to look at [00:33] mornfall: GUIfied? I hope the user doesn't have to do anything about it... [00:34] yuriy: What I mean, if the xapian index does not exist is out of date, it'll be rebuilt on startup, with a progress meter. [00:34] +or [00:34] ah, nice [00:34] Instead of adept crashing... : - ) [00:34] (When it's not there, it used to do weird things, IIRC.) [00:34] yep [00:35] mornfall: do you expect Adept3 to be ready before intrepid release? [00:38] smarter: Hope might be a better term... : - ) [00:38] ok ;) [00:39] Adept2 is currently completely b0rken under intrepid, cause the konsole part does not exist anymore [00:39] Well, there are more problems than that, really, with 2. [00:40] mornfall: are you going to release a new alpha soon? [00:41] smarter: Tomorrow. [00:41] cool ;) [00:41] Well, actually, today. [00:41] thanks [00:41] My time, at least. : - ) [00:41] :P [00:41] mornfall: packaged for intrepid? [00:41] yuriy: he has a PPA [00:42] smarter: I know, but intrepid kde packaging is different from hardy [00:42] I have, but I think Tonio will manage that for me. ;) I'm not sure that was part of the agreement tho. [00:42] I upload to Debian experimental first of all. [00:43] If someone can pick up the ball afterwards, that'd be great. [01:11] does ktorrent-kde4 start for anyone in 4.1 final? [01:12] seems to crash instantly here [01:12] on hardy [01:12] worked fine in 4.1 rc 1 [01:13] works for me (tm) [01:13] Nightrose: it was never updated to the new paths [01:13] vorian: hmmm is it going to be updated anytime soon? ;-) [01:13] nevermind [01:14] i'll take a look at it :) [01:14] thanks vorian :) [01:14] no problemo [01:17] goodness! [01:17] it's sooooo old [01:17] ? [01:17] 3.0.1 [01:17] when 3.1.1 just got released [01:17] eww [01:18] that package is from april 13th :) [01:18] hehe [02:12] Hobbsee: Can i query you? [02:12] rbrunhuber: sure [02:27] blah, hackergotchi too big.. [02:41] jtechidna: you need to cut your head out so it looks like it's floating :) [02:41] how do I do that? [02:43] * Jucato hands jtechidna an axe [02:44] i want to see jtechidna's head === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [02:44] ah [02:44] http://planet.ubuntu.com/ <- my head is here [02:45] i see it [02:45] 3rd post down [02:45] heh [02:45] :) [02:45] nice work [02:45] hah!! I knew that "echidna" sounded familiar [02:45] from one of my animal books when I was young(er) [02:46] Think Knuckles the Echidna from Sonic the Hedgehog [02:46] ;) [02:46] oh I didn't know knuckles was an echidna, though not surprised to learn that [02:46] but what does that make Tails? [02:46] a two-tailed fox? [02:46] :P [02:46] :D [02:51] seele: I think a lot of people (me included?) got sidetracked in the comments about implicit save. I guess everyone just presumed you were talking about configuration dialogs, because of the examples you gave :P [02:51] * Jucato grabs a cup of hot choco before the meeting starts [02:52] we have a meeting? [02:52] yay i might be able to make it [02:52] in ~5 minutes, yes [02:52] erm, like 4 hours ago [02:52] er? [02:52] what? noooo [02:52] 22:00 utc [02:52] argh bummer [02:52] oh sh*t [02:52] damn I miscalculated [02:52] Jucato: i gave those examples because those are the ones people notice (for better or ill) [02:52] but, JontheEchidna is now a Kubuntu Member [02:52] * Jucato headdesks [02:53] * jjesse wishes google caledar would automatically parse time zones when adding events to it [02:53] Jucato: no one *notices* implicit save when it is done properly [02:53] fsck fsck fsck :( [02:53] seele: indeed [02:54] implict save is one of things i love in microsoft one note... never have to worry about saying notes i'm taking in it [02:54] * Jucato is deeply ashamed of failing to parse UTC [02:54] jjesse: it makes sense in that context because of the type of information you are working with [02:55] seele; i wish there was a comparable product in linux [02:55] i love how well one note and outlook integrate [02:55] jjesse: i think basket was striving to do something like that, but it's not very good [02:55] basket is a usability expert's dream :) [02:55] seele: agreed i've tried basket several times, but it keeps missing the boat [02:55] right seele? :) [02:56] right-click on an appointment in outlook -> send to one note and then start taking notes [02:56] Jucato: in terms of work? [02:56] seele: hehe yes :) [02:56] hah.. yeah [02:57] i think someone was working with basket a while ago, but then they disappeared [02:57] one of the OU kids [02:57] well basket practically disappeared off the radar [02:57] oh well, I guess there's nothing else to do now except upgrade to intrepid... :( [03:00] JontheEchidna: would you know if I need to turn off the KDE4 PPA if I'm upgrading from hardy to intrepid? [03:00] * JontheEchidna hasn't upgraded yet [03:00] you're still in hardy? O.o [03:00] I have an extra intrepid partition [03:00] ah [03:01] oh well... I guess I can always *cough* reinstall *cough* [03:01] I'll probably dist-upgrade sometime soon though [03:14] * JontheEchidna turns in for the night [03:14] nn JontheEchidna , and congrats again! [03:15] thx [03:17] grats JontheEchidna [03:20] Ha. [03:21] * mornfall fixed a bunch of 3.0 blockers [03:31] Howdy folks. [03:34] Hm. It seems I actually fixed all the release blockers other than status-based filtering. [03:35] howdy manchicken [03:35] mornfall: adept? [03:35] Yes. [03:35] Well, I release alpha5 in the afternoon and we'll see how hard people can press it. [03:36] * Jucato presses adept's buttons until it crashes [03:36] The installer is super-slow to read in all the desktop files tho, dunno why. [03:36] Let's callgrind for a bit. [05:06] <[GuS]> hi guys... i am trying to compile Qt4.4 with phonon support (susing qt4.4 repository source) and i have this after make dpkg-buildpackage: /bin/sh: -phonon: not found [05:06] <[GuS]> and that happen after make the configure part, which has no errors [05:06] <[GuS]> even if i do make by hand, it start to make [05:13] Okey, it's some order of magnitude faster now. I guess I'm content with that. [05:14] mornfall: as far as release blockers, I think the most important thing to make sure works is error handling [05:15] yuriy: I have done some work on that as well today. [05:15] yuriy: It's about half million times better than Adept 2 already. [05:16] nice [05:16] (Well, it's been reasonably better in alpha 4, too.) [05:16] to whom it may concern: kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) which is a virtual package. [05:16] kde4-devel: Depends: kdebase-dev-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) which is a virtual package. [05:16] Depends: kdesdk-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) which is a virtual package. [05:17] But yes, giving those error handlers a good ride in alpha 5 would be welcome. I'm fairly out of fantasy how to make things fail creatively, yet with reasonable effort. : - ) [05:18] anybody running intrepid should be able to find some package breakage to test [05:23] yuriy: As for your crashes from some time ago, the recovery one should be fixed (I can't reproduce it anymore after the fix). [05:23] yuriy: The second, I'm hunting down (I have much improved the load time of the list as well, in installer). [05:25] (It seems there are more crashes when closing in-progress of something. Hmh.) [05:25] Ah. It apparently crashes if the window is closed inside one of those processEvents. [05:27] mornfall: /home/yuriy/adept/adept-3/adept/dpkgpm.cpp:265: error: no matching function for call to ‘fmt(const char [39], std::string&)’ [05:28] yuriy: I have to push ept. [05:28] (may be my bad for missing some libraries installed since upgrading to intrepid) oh. [05:28] yuriy: Can you pull now? [05:29] (I have pushed to collab-maint, where there now is a libept repo as well, but not to my own...) [05:30] yay warning fixes [05:30] Yeah, there are still quite some to go. [05:30] It's boring and sometimes dangerous, but it's finally started to annoy me enough to do something about those zillions of warnings. [05:39] yuriy: So does it compile now? [05:39] yes but doesn't run, may be linking against the wrong ept or something: [05:40] adept: symbol lookup error: adept: undefined symbol: _ZN3ept4core12aptTimestampEv [05:40] I run with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set. [05:40] ah [05:40] LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/srv/build/pkg/adept-3/default/lib in my case [05:41] Ah and if you run through sudo, you need to make it [05:41] sudo sh -c "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=... /path/to/adept" [05:42] (sudo will for security reasons clear that) [05:43] hmm scrollbar in download progress for some reason [05:44] In the list area? Yeah, those scrollbars hate me. I have it on should-fix for 3.0. [05:44] But alas I have fixed the progressbars not cleaning up properly sometimes (especially with pdiff updates). [05:45] I think I've asked this before, but is no menu intentional? [05:46] Not really, although there isn't much to put there. The common stuff (Quit, Help, Settings) would be useful though. [05:47] OK, I'll look into that [05:47] Shouldn't be hard, we really just use KXmlGuiWindow. [05:48] yep, so should be just write up an xml file and choose which to use based on the tool [05:48] So it should be just question of some standardised call to something, somewhere. [05:48] And that xml, yes. [05:58] er, was there a statusbar before I did that? [06:02] No, I think there wasn't. [06:03] will have to figure out why KDE thinks there should be [06:06] uhoh, it doesn't use KActions at all [06:06] What do you mean? Adept? [06:07] Well, there aren't really any "actions". [06:07] yes, Adept. also I don't think the current scheme allows a way to provide a different rc file for different tools [06:07] Although I guess the buttons could be wired to KActions, in changes and such. [06:09] they probably should be. from what I understand from reading what seele says, everything should be in menus if makes sense at all [06:10] Guess so. But it's not that easy, since people complained extra-loud that the application let them commit changes without going to preview. If you add commit to menu, you are possibly screwed again. [06:11] mornfall: perhaps add the sidebar tabs to a menu? [06:11] and methinks not the view menu although that's the first obvious choice [06:11] Maybe. I wouldn't make that much of a priority though. [06:12] We can just as well live with a skeleton menu: File -> Quit and Help. [06:12] yeah, no biggie === Igorot is now known as Knightlust [06:16] k,night [06:16] Yeah. : - ) I should go to bed real-soon-now. === peller is now known as Guest39165 [07:06] hm.. upgrading from hardy 4.1 to intrepid 4.1 doesn't install kdm, kdm-kde4 is left installed, but /usr/lib/kde4/kdm stuff don't exist anymore. uninstalled kdm-kde4, installed kdm, but sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart is saying that it is not the default display manager [07:07] what is supposed to reconfigure/rewrite /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? [07:25] * apachelogger did miss the meeting -.- [07:25] see what 4.1.0 does to me [07:29] Nightrose: btw, about bzr + newbies -> changes will have to be reviewed by a core developer, who can actually take care of the bzr pushing [07:29] besides, most newbies will not change very much in the KDE core distributions ;-) [07:37] apachelogger: sure? ;-) === mcas_away is now known as mcas [07:39] Tm_T: if any noob understands the cdbs magic used in KDE... we can make them motu right away :P [07:39] heh === mcas is now known as mcas_away [08:42] * txwikinger looks up and finds himself mentioned [09:08] morning :) [09:08] apachelogger: ah good point about bzr yea [09:16] apachelogger: I have a question. are you online? [09:17] Wubbbi: I have a suggestiont for you [09:17] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo [09:17] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo/README?view=markup [09:18] apachelogger: what is that? ... The same that I have or an other version ? [09:18] I would assume a different one [09:19] + it is meant to incorporate distro specific theming [09:19] which is exaclty what we want [09:19] apachelogger: and the icons are free? [09:19] most probably ;-) [09:19] wow ... great :) [09:20] should I use this now? [09:20] -.- [09:20] yes [09:20] xD [09:20] ok [09:20] how to download this? [09:21] you will have to do an SVN snapshot ;-) [09:21] oO [09:21] how to do that? [09:22] Wubbbi: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo [09:22] ok thx [09:22] any typo in that URL is copyrighted (c) 2008 Harald Sitter :P [09:22] Wubbbi: then you will need to create a get-orig target for that ;-) [09:22] best to google for svn snapshot get-orig-source [09:22] or something [09:23] apachelogger: why a get-orig target? [09:23] here goes the redundancy again [09:23] one needs to be able to update the tarball [09:24] Wubbbi: maybe you should take notes [09:24] you asked me at least 3 times why a get-orig-source is necessary [09:24] 3 times the same answer as there is exaclty one use of get-orig-source: recreating the tarball [09:56] vorian: thanks for ktorrent :) works now [10:09] apachelogger: you know what? I let it be with the kio-sysinfo. I mean thats to much work for me. From now on I will just upload or upgrade plasmoids and such easy things. But thank all you guys for helping me with it :). Maybe when I have learned more about c++ and Qt I can help here again :) ... Of course I will report bugs and I will be in this channel. but the kio-sysinfo is to big for me :). Maybe someone other can do this? that [10:09] would be nice. :). btw. I have updated the Teacooker plasmoid to the current version ( 0.3.0 ) :) === mcas_away is now known as mcas [10:42] hey ho folks [10:42] hola [10:45] Hi [10:45] Riddell, do we plan to enable user disk mounting feature for ntfs drives in Intrepid? [10:46] hi etretyak, if someone says what needs done sure [10:46] Riddell, ok -- i'll prepare a patch.. :) [10:47] great! [10:47] etretyak: did you ever look at system-config-printer-kde? [10:48] Yes.. I've done some work.. but if you remember, there is a GSoC project.. and we need to know will it replace system-config-printer in GNOME (and Ubuntu) [10:50] etretyak: where is the stuff you've done? [10:51] Nightrose: where are you staying on the friday for akademy (assuming you're in a youth hostel the rest of the week) [10:52] Riddell, on my laptop :) i need to push my changes to bazaar [10:52] Riddell: i got a room for all days in roosdendaal [10:52] etretyak: push push! [10:52] Riddell: if you are still looking you might want to ask in #akademy [10:55] akademy? what i have missed? [10:56] Xand3r: only a little more than a week left until akademy in belgium [10:56] \o/ [10:56] * Nightrose is excited [10:56] akademy? [10:56] whats going on there? [10:56] akademy.kde.org [10:56] hmm [10:57] hacking, talks and world domination planning :P [10:57] Riddell: you could also ask on https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/akademy-participant if someone is still looking for someone to share a room who already booked [11:01] Xand3r: you *DON'T* know what akademy is? O.o [11:01] * Jucato couldn't believe his ears :) [11:01] Jucato: now i know about it [11:01] nothing for me [11:01] welcome to the KDE world :) [11:01] Xand3r: something every KDE hacker dreams about though :) [11:01] well, except those you get to go *everytime* [11:02] i think i would be wrong there [11:03] hm.. even Windows hackers would not be wrong there (KDE Windows) :) [11:04] Jucato: ;-) [11:04] Jucato: i am not new on the stuff but i dont know much more than i have stared, i am a realy noob, i cant programm and i just started packaging [11:05] so what i can do on such a meeting? [11:05] listen? participate? give input? :) [11:05] meet Nightrose? [11:05] Jucato: I already met Xand3r a few times ;-) [11:05] meet Nightrose *agan*? [11:05] Xand3r: I am not going to program there... [11:05] but doing a lot of world domination planning :P [11:05] *yawn* Good morning. [11:06] hi [11:06] and prepare next amarok release [11:06] heya mornfall :) [11:06] Xand3r: think of it this way, by the next akademy, you're probably more than "just started" :) [11:06] Nightrose: you could do something i am not, i expired it in berlin, i have realy no clue what the otheres are talking about [11:07] Jucato: i am now 2 years just started [11:07] mornfall: will you honor us with your attendence at akademy btw? ;-) [11:07] Nightrose: Unfortunately not. [11:07] Xand3r: ditto [11:07] well, 2.5 years [11:07] :( [11:08] * Nightrose should really prepare her slides... [11:08] first thing i focus on packaging and becom motu^^ [11:09] and preparing world domination [11:10] Nightrose: you preset someting? [11:10] jep [11:10] "How to rock the show with KDE" [11:10] ;-) [11:11] you not afraid to speek in front of these "rockstars"? [11:12] hehe I met enough of them to not be intimidated anymore [11:12] believe me they are human :P [11:12] but sure [11:13] giving a talk at akademy will be a little... [11:13] different ;-) [11:13] but well if everthing goes well Franz will be giving it together with me [11:14] is it possible only sitting there and listen? [11:15] so is it open for everyone? [11:15] it has an entrance fee [11:15] oh wait, that's Guadec [11:16] * Jucato can't wait for Akademy to also have gobby or live (audio) streaming like UDS :) [11:17] Xand3r: it's free to all, sitting and listening is entirely welcome, before long you'll get annoyed at something and find you have something to say :) [11:17] yea akademy is free - guadec is the one with a fee [11:18] Riddell: no i am afraid of asking something stupid [11:19] Jucato: we've had live video streaming before, very nearly did last year, but it's not actually used much (compared to watching the videos afterwards) so it's not really worth the excessive hassle [11:19] hehehe I can dream, can't I? :P [11:19] but yeah. I guess it's not really worth it that much [11:19] better post-conference vids > live vids [11:20] i think it would be nice to see the humans behinde the nicnames, but it is not in the holidays, and i have no money [11:20] Xand3r: don't ask and you'll feel stupid forever :) [11:20] ok that does it! Word of the day "Hassle" [11:20] <\sh> Xand3r: no question is stupid...it's stupid not to ask [11:20] \sh: hi [11:21] \sh: i realy felt stupid in berlin [11:21] why? [11:22] <\sh> Xand3r: you weren't...and you aren't ... no need to put you down yourself [11:23] well Xand3r ws stood next to stupid all day so it was inevitable :) [11:23] * \sh sends via the holy irc a bit of self-assurance to Xand3r [11:23] \sh: thanks but that was what i have felt, Nightrose if you dont understand anything, and the others understand it, you felt like me [11:23]