[00:00] <JontheEchidna> oh
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> we also need to disable installing plasmoids from the internet
[00:00] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I'd go for show dashboard because it exposes fancy new functionality
[00:00] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: i have both here but rarely use show desktop
[00:00] <seele> Nightrose: oh wow.. that's pretty useful once you told me about it
[00:00] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: why?
[00:00] <Xand3r> Nightrose: there is also an desktop button in the plasma-addons
[00:00] <Nightrose> seele: ;-)
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> doesn't work
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> kde-look isn't ready for it
[00:00] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: I think show dashboard is not needed. I have never used it :/ because it doesen't make sence to use it
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> nor would any applets be able to use it because they're all c++
[00:00] <Nightrose> Xand3r: tht is what we are talking about ;-)
[00:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: fancy doing the main inclusion report for quickaccess?
[00:01] <seele> Nightrose: would probably be useful if they put the work "Plasmoid" in the description though :)
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is that what MIR means?
[00:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> any wiki I should read?
[00:01] <Nightrose> seele: which description?
[00:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportTemplate
[00:02] <seele> Nightrose: Add Widgets description for Dashboard.  Otherwise how do i learn that Dashboard means all the widgets
[00:02] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: how doesn't it make sense?
[00:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: now you're in kubuntu-members you can commit to kubuntu-default-settings
[00:02] <Nightrose> seele: ah ok yea
[00:02] <Wubbbi> Nightrose: ???
[00:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so go ahead and commit and we'll get this in for the next alpha
[00:02] <Riddell> I'm out of time
[00:02] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: you said show dashboard doesn't make sense
[00:02] <Riddell> any other business?
[00:02] <Nightrose> how?
[00:02] <yuriy> Riddell: for k-d-s is it just commit to bzr or do you have to then fix the package?
[00:02] <seele> who all is going to be at akademy?
[00:03]  * Nightrose is
[00:03] <seele> we should have a kubuntu dinner
[00:03] <Xand3r> so emm is the meeting finished?
[00:03] <Nightrose> oh yea we should
[00:03] <Riddell> yuriy: it needs to be uploaded too
[00:03] <Tm_T> seele: I have to skip, unfortunately
[00:03] <Wubbbi> Nightrose: yes ... why do you have to hide your dashboard? what is it good for? ( to hide the dashboard )
[00:03] <Riddell> seele: ooh, yes
[00:03] <yuriy> Wubbbi: show not hide
[00:03] <Nightrose> Wubbbi: ? you don't use it to hide your dashboard
[00:03] <seele> Wubbbi: brings the plasmoids up on top of your windows
[00:04] <Nightrose> Riddell, seele: let's get together for dinner one evening then
[00:04] <seele> Nightrose: yepper
[00:04] <Wubbbi> seele: Nightrose: yuriy: ohh ... wasn't that the plasmoid to hise the dashboard??? well what ever ... sorry xD
[00:05] <smarter> the previewer plasmoid is pretty cool too
[00:05]  * Nightrose hasn't really used it yet
[00:05] <Nightrose> probably should give it a try
[00:05] <Wubbbi> I love the Comic Plasmoid ... dont remove it!
[00:05] <Wubbbi> ;)
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> previewer plasmoid as released on kde-look has licensing problems
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> otherwise I'd have a package already
[00:06] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: elaborate?
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> it's in playground though
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: just a sec
[00:06] <Wubbbi> Is the weather plasmoid as default?
[00:06] <Riddell> ok, thanks for a good meeting, time for me to go shopping
[00:06] <Nightrose> shopping? *g*
[00:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, where are you now?
[00:07] <Nightrose> have fun Riddell
[00:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: on the sofa
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: missing GPL in tarball
[00:07] <Riddell> with an empty fridge in the kitchen
[00:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: I mean, shopping, ah, food, right
[00:08] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: that's the only issue?
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I think
[00:08] <Tm_T> ok, good
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> upstream hasn't replied to my email though ;(
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> maybe we could package all of playground?
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> while it still compiles with 4.1?
[00:08] <Tm_T> anyway, thanks you all, have fun and good night, this old hermit needs her sleep now ->
[00:08] <Nightrose> nini Tm_T ;-)
[00:09] <smarter> JontheEchidna: some things in playground are really too experimental and crashy
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> smarter: we could disable those, I suppose
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> or we could pick out the best
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> and package them separately
[00:10] <GreySim> For what it's worth, I'd love the heck out of the RSS applet for 4.1 if it's relatively stable.
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> rssnow?
[00:11] <GreySim> Yeah.
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> I'd like the CIA.vc applet...
[00:11]  * GreySim saw it in screenshots everywhere, but only just realized yesterday that it isn't actually available yet.
[00:12] <mornfall> Re.
[00:12] <Nightrose> 'lo mornfall :)
[00:13] <yuriy> hey mornfall
[00:16] <mornfall> yuriy: Hey.
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> Now I have to remember all the bribes...
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> note plasmoid to the rescue!
[00:17] <yuriy> mornfall: got your laptop fixed?
[00:19] <mornfall> yuriy: Yes, all good now.
[00:19] <mornfall> They changed the motherboard (ie. almost all of it, as it's a 12")
[00:21]  * mornfall is currently working on adept...
[00:22] <yuriy> yay! let me know if you need anything tested
[00:23] <mornfall> yuriy: I have apparently made a deal with Tonio to have alpha 5 tomorrow evening, so that will need testing. :)
[00:25] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: don't worry - seele and I will poke you again and again until it is done :P
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:28] <mornfall> Aye. Xapian index update GUIfied.
[00:32] <yuriy> mornfall: and with seele, she's been asking for something to look at
[00:33] <yuriy> mornfall: GUIfied? I hope the user doesn't have to do anything about it...
[00:34] <mornfall> yuriy: What I mean, if the xapian index does not exist is out of date, it'll be rebuilt on startup, with a progress meter.
[00:34] <mornfall> +or
[00:34] <yuriy> ah, nice
[00:34] <mornfall> Instead of adept crashing... : - )
[00:34] <mornfall> (When it's not there, it used to do weird things, IIRC.)
[00:34] <yuriy> yep
[00:35] <smarter> mornfall: do you expect Adept3 to be ready before intrepid release?
[00:38] <mornfall> smarter: Hope might be a better term... : - )
[00:38] <smarter> ok ;)
[00:39] <smarter> Adept2 is currently completely b0rken under intrepid, cause the konsole part does not exist anymore
[00:39] <mornfall> Well, there are more problems than that, really, with 2.
[00:40] <smarter> mornfall: are you going to release a new alpha soon?
[00:41] <mornfall> smarter: Tomorrow.
[00:41] <smarter> cool ;)
[00:41] <mornfall> Well, actually, today.
[00:41] <smarter> thanks
[00:41] <mornfall> My time, at least. : - )
[00:41] <smarter> :P
[00:41] <yuriy> mornfall: packaged for intrepid?
[00:41] <smarter> yuriy: he has a PPA
[00:42] <yuriy> smarter: I know, but intrepid kde packaging is different from hardy
[00:42] <mornfall> I have, but I think Tonio will manage that for me. ;) I'm not sure that was part of the agreement tho.
[00:42] <mornfall> I upload to Debian experimental first of all.
[00:43] <mornfall> If someone can pick up the ball afterwards, that'd be great.
[01:11] <Nightrose> does ktorrent-kde4 start for anyone in 4.1 final?
[01:12] <Nightrose> seems to crash instantly here
[01:12] <Nightrose> on hardy
[01:12] <Nightrose> worked fine in 4.1 rc 1
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> works for me (tm)
[01:13] <vorian> Nightrose: it was never updated to the new paths
[01:13] <Nightrose> vorian: hmmm is it going to be updated anytime soon? ;-)
[01:13] <vorian> nevermind
[01:14] <vorian> i'll take a look at it :)
[01:14] <Nightrose> thanks vorian :)
[01:14] <vorian> no problemo
[01:17] <vorian> goodness!
[01:17] <vorian> it's sooooo old
[01:17] <Nightrose> ?
[01:17] <vorian> 3.0.1
[01:17] <vorian> when 3.1.1 just got released
[01:17] <Nightrose> eww
[01:18] <vorian> that package is from april 13th :)
[01:18] <Nightrose> hehe
[02:12] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Can i query you?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: sure
[02:27] <jtechidna> blah, hackergotchi too big..
[02:41] <seele> jtechidna: you need to cut your head out so it looks like it's floating :)
[02:41] <jtechidna> how do I do that?
[02:43]  * Jucato hands jtechidna an axe
[02:44] <vorian> i want to see jtechidna's head
[02:44] <vorian> ah
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> http://planet.ubuntu.com/ <- my head is here
[02:45] <vorian> i see it
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> 3rd post down
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:45] <vorian> :)
[02:45] <vorian> nice work
[02:45] <Jucato> hah!! I knew that "echidna" sounded familiar
[02:45] <Jucato> from one of my animal books when I was young(er)
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> Think Knuckles the Echidna from Sonic the Hedgehog
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[02:46] <Jucato> oh I didn't know knuckles was an echidna, though not surprised to learn that
[02:46] <Jucato> but what does that make Tails?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> a two-tailed fox?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:46] <Jucato> :D
[02:51] <Jucato> seele: I think a lot of people (me included?) got sidetracked in the comments about implicit save. I guess everyone just presumed you were talking about configuration dialogs, because of the examples you gave :P
[02:51]  * Jucato grabs a cup of hot choco before the meeting starts
[02:52] <jjesse> we have a meeting?
[02:52] <jjesse> yay i might be able to make it
[02:52] <Jucato> in ~5 minutes, yes
[02:52] <vorian> erm, like 4 hours ago
[02:52] <Jucato> er?
[02:52] <Jucato> what? noooo
[02:52] <vorian> 22:00 utc
[02:52] <jjesse> argh bummer
[02:52] <Jucato> oh sh*t
[02:52] <Jucato> damn I miscalculated
[02:52] <seele> Jucato: i gave those examples because those are the ones people notice (for better or ill)
[02:52] <vorian> but, JontheEchidna is now a Kubuntu Member
[02:52]  * Jucato headdesks
[02:53]  * jjesse wishes google caledar would automatically parse time zones when adding events to it
[02:53] <seele> Jucato: no one *notices* implicit save when it is done properly
[02:53] <Jucato> fsck fsck fsck :(
[02:53] <Jucato> seele: indeed
[02:54] <jjesse> implict save is one of things i love in microsoft one note... never have to worry about saying notes i'm taking in it
[02:54]  * Jucato is deeply ashamed of failing to parse UTC
[02:54] <seele> jjesse: it makes sense in that context because of the type of information you are working with
[02:55] <jjesse> seele; i wish there was a comparable product in linux
[02:55] <jjesse> i love how well one note and outlook integrate
[02:55] <seele> jjesse: i think basket was striving to do something like that, but it's not very good
[02:55] <Jucato> basket is a usability expert's dream :)
[02:55] <jjesse> seele: agreed i've tried basket several times, but it keeps missing the boat
[02:55] <Jucato> right seele? :)
[02:56] <jjesse> right-click on an appointment in outlook -> send to one  note and then start taking notes
[02:56] <seele> Jucato: in terms of work?
[02:56] <Jucato> seele: hehe yes :)
[02:56] <seele> hah.. yeah
[02:57] <seele> i think someone was working with basket a while ago, but then they disappeared
[02:57] <seele> one of the OU kids
[02:57] <Jucato> well basket practically disappeared off the radar
[02:57] <Jucato> oh well, I guess there's nothing else to do now except upgrade to intrepid... :(
[03:00] <Jucato> JontheEchidna: would you know if I need to turn off the KDE4 PPA if I'm upgrading from hardy to intrepid?
[03:00]  * JontheEchidna hasn't upgraded yet
[03:00] <Jucato> you're still in hardy? O.o
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> I have an extra intrepid partition
[03:00] <Jucato> ah
[03:01] <Jucato> oh well... I guess I can always *cough* reinstall *cough*
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> I'll probably dist-upgrade sometime soon though
[03:14]  * JontheEchidna turns in for the night
[03:14] <vorian> nn JontheEchidna , and congrats again!
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> thx
[03:17] <Jucato> grats JontheEchidna
[03:20] <mornfall> Ha.
[03:21]  * mornfall fixed a bunch of 3.0 blockers
[03:31] <manchicken> Howdy folks.
[03:34] <mornfall> Hm. It seems I actually fixed all the release blockers other than status-based filtering.
[03:35] <Jucato> howdy manchicken
[03:35] <Jucato> mornfall: adept?
[03:35] <mornfall> Yes.
[03:35] <mornfall> Well, I release alpha5 in the afternoon and we'll see how hard people can press it.
[03:36]  * Jucato presses adept's buttons until it crashes
[03:36] <mornfall> The installer is super-slow to read in all the desktop files tho, dunno why.
[03:36] <mornfall> Let's callgrind for a bit.
[05:06] <[GuS]> hi guys... i am trying to compile Qt4.4 with phonon support (susing qt4.4 repository source) and i have this after make dpkg-buildpackage: /bin/sh: -phonon: not found
[05:06] <[GuS]> and that happen after make the configure part, which has no errors
[05:06] <[GuS]> even if i do make by hand, it start to make
[05:13] <mornfall> Okey, it's some order of magnitude faster now. I guess I'm content with that.
[05:14] <yuriy> mornfall: as far as release blockers, I think the most important thing to make sure works is error handling
[05:15] <mornfall> yuriy: I have done some work on that as well today.
[05:15] <mornfall> yuriy: It's about half million times better than Adept 2 already.
[05:16] <yuriy> nice
[05:16] <mornfall> (Well, it's been reasonably better in alpha 4, too.)
[05:16] <yuriy> to whom it may concern: kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) which is a virtual package.
[05:16] <yuriy>   kde4-devel: Depends: kdebase-dev-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) which is a virtual package.
[05:16] <yuriy>               Depends: kdesdk-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) which is a virtual package.
[05:17] <mornfall> But yes, giving those error handlers a good ride in alpha 5 would be welcome. I'm fairly out of fantasy how to make things fail creatively, yet with reasonable effort. : - )
[05:18] <yuriy> anybody running intrepid should be able to find some package breakage to test
[05:23] <mornfall> yuriy: As for your crashes from some time ago, the recovery one should be fixed (I can't reproduce it anymore after the fix).
[05:23] <mornfall> yuriy: The second, I'm hunting down (I have much improved the load time of the list as well, in installer).
[05:25] <mornfall> (It seems there are more crashes when closing in-progress of something. Hmh.)
[05:25] <mornfall> Ah. It apparently crashes if the window is closed inside one of those processEvents.
[05:27] <yuriy> mornfall: /home/yuriy/adept/adept-3/adept/dpkgpm.cpp:265: error: no matching function for call to ‘fmt(const char [39], std::string&)’
[05:28] <mornfall> yuriy: I have to push ept.
[05:28] <yuriy> (may be my bad for missing some libraries installed since upgrading to intrepid) oh.
[05:28] <mornfall> yuriy: Can you pull now?
[05:29] <mornfall> (I have pushed to collab-maint, where there now is a libept repo as well, but not to my own...)
[05:30] <yuriy> yay warning fixes
[05:30] <mornfall> Yeah, there are still quite some to go.
[05:30] <mornfall> It's boring and sometimes dangerous, but it's finally started to annoy me enough to do something about those zillions of warnings.
[05:39] <mornfall> yuriy: So does it compile now?
[05:39] <yuriy> yes but doesn't run, may be linking against the wrong ept or something:
[05:40] <yuriy> adept: symbol lookup error: adept: undefined symbol: _ZN3ept4core12aptTimestampEv
[05:40] <mornfall> I run with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set.
[05:40] <yuriy> ah
[05:40] <mornfall> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/srv/build/pkg/adept-3/default/lib in my case
[05:41] <mornfall> Ah and if you run through sudo, you need to make it
[05:41] <mornfall> sudo sh -c "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=... /path/to/adept"
[05:42] <mornfall> (sudo will for security reasons clear that)
[05:43] <yuriy> hmm scrollbar in download progress for some reason
[05:44] <mornfall> In the list area? Yeah, those scrollbars hate me. I have it on should-fix for 3.0.
[05:44] <mornfall> But alas I have fixed the progressbars not cleaning up properly sometimes (especially with pdiff updates).
[05:45] <yuriy> I think I've asked this before, but is no menu intentional?
[05:46] <mornfall> Not really, although there isn't much to put there. The common stuff (Quit, Help, Settings) would be useful though.
[05:47] <yuriy> OK, I'll look into that
[05:47] <mornfall> Shouldn't be hard, we really just use KXmlGuiWindow.
[05:48] <yuriy> yep, so should be just write up an xml file and choose which to use based on the tool
[05:48] <mornfall> So it should be just question of some standardised call to something, somewhere.
[05:48] <mornfall> And that xml, yes.
[05:58] <yuriy> er, was there a statusbar before I did that?
[06:02] <mornfall> No, I think there wasn't.
[06:03] <yuriy> will have to figure out why KDE thinks there should be
[06:06] <yuriy> uhoh, it doesn't use KActions at all
[06:06] <mornfall> What do you mean? Adept?
[06:07] <mornfall> Well, there aren't really any "actions".
[06:07] <yuriy> yes, Adept. also I don't think the current scheme allows a way to provide a different rc file for different tools
[06:07] <mornfall> Although I guess the buttons could be wired to KActions, in changes and such.
[06:09] <yuriy> they probably should be.  from what I understand from reading what seele says, everything should be in menus if makes sense at all
[06:10] <mornfall> Guess so. But it's not that easy, since people complained extra-loud that the application let them commit changes without going to preview. If you add commit to menu, you are possibly screwed again.
[06:11] <yuriy> mornfall: perhaps add the sidebar tabs to a menu?
[06:11] <yuriy> and methinks not the view menu although that's the first obvious choice
[06:11] <mornfall> Maybe. I wouldn't make that much of a priority though.
[06:12] <mornfall> We can just as well live with a skeleton menu: File -> Quit and Help.
[06:12] <yuriy> yeah, no biggie
[06:16] <yuriy> k,night
[06:16] <mornfall> Yeah. : - ) I should go to bed real-soon-now.
[07:06] <Jucato> hm.. upgrading from hardy 4.1 to intrepid 4.1 doesn't install kdm, kdm-kde4 is left installed, but /usr/lib/kde4/kdm stuff don't exist anymore. uninstalled kdm-kde4, installed kdm, but sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart is saying that it is not the default display manager
[07:07] <Jucato> what is supposed to reconfigure/rewrite /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
[07:25]  * apachelogger did miss the meeting -.-
[07:25] <apachelogger> see what 4.1.0 does to me
[07:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, about bzr + newbies -> changes will have to be reviewed by a core developer, who can actually take care of the bzr pushing
[07:29] <apachelogger> besides, most newbies will not change very much in the KDE core distributions ;-)
[07:37] <Tm_T> apachelogger: sure? ;-)
[07:39] <apachelogger> Tm_T: if any noob understands the cdbs magic used in KDE... we can make them motu right away :P
[07:39] <Tm_T> heh
[08:42]  * txwikinger looks up and finds himself mentioned
[09:08] <Nightrose> morning :)
[09:08] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ah good point about bzr yea
[09:16] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: I have a question. are you online?
[09:17] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: I have a suggestiont for you
[09:17] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo
[09:17] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo/README?view=markup
[09:18] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: what is that? ... The same that I have or an other version ?
[09:18] <apachelogger> I would assume a different one
[09:19] <apachelogger> + it is meant to incorporate distro specific theming
[09:19] <apachelogger> which is exaclty what we want
[09:19] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: and the icons are free?
[09:19] <apachelogger> most probably ;-)
[09:19] <Wubbbi> wow ... great :)
[09:20] <Wubbbi> should I use this now?
[09:20] <apachelogger> -.-
[09:20] <apachelogger> yes
[09:20] <Wubbbi> xD
[09:20] <Wubbbi> ok
[09:20] <Wubbbi> how to download this?
[09:21] <apachelogger> you will have to do an SVN snapshot ;-)
[09:21] <Wubbbi> oO
[09:21] <Wubbbi> how to do that?
[09:22] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo
[09:22] <Wubbbi> ok thx
[09:22] <apachelogger> any typo in that URL is copyrighted (c) 2008 Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> :P
[09:22] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: then you will need to create a get-orig target for that ;-)
[09:22] <apachelogger> best to google for svn snapshot get-orig-source
[09:22] <apachelogger> or something
[09:23] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: why a get-orig target?
[09:23] <apachelogger> here goes the redundancy again
[09:23] <apachelogger> one needs to be able to update the tarball
[09:24] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: maybe you should take notes
[09:24] <apachelogger> you asked me at least 3 times why a get-orig-source is necessary
[09:24] <apachelogger> 3 times the same answer as there is exaclty one use of get-orig-source: recreating the tarball
[09:56] <Nightrose> vorian: thanks for ktorrent :) works now
[10:09] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: you know what? I let it be with the kio-sysinfo. I mean thats to much work for me. From now on I will just upload or upgrade plasmoids and such easy things. But thank all you guys for helping me with it :). Maybe when I have learned more about c++ and Qt I can help here again :) ... Of course I will report bugs and I will be in this channel. but the kio-sysinfo is to big for me :). Maybe someone other can do this? that
[10:09] <Wubbbi> would be nice. :). btw. I have updated the Teacooker plasmoid to the current version ( 0.3.0 ) :)
[10:42] <Xand3r> hey ho folks
[10:42] <Riddell> hola
[10:45] <etretyak> Hi
[10:45] <etretyak> Riddell, do we plan to enable user disk mounting feature for ntfs drives in Intrepid?
[10:46] <Riddell> hi etretyak, if someone says what needs done sure
[10:46] <etretyak> Riddell, ok -- i'll prepare a patch.. :)
[10:47] <Riddell> great!
[10:47] <Riddell> etretyak: did you ever look at system-config-printer-kde?
[10:48] <etretyak> Yes.. I've done some work.. but if you remember, there is a GSoC project.. and we need to know will it replace system-config-printer in GNOME (and Ubuntu)
[10:50] <Riddell> etretyak: where is the stuff you've done?
[10:51] <Riddell> Nightrose: where are you staying on the friday for akademy (assuming you're in a youth hostel the rest of the week)
[10:52] <etretyak> Riddell, on my laptop :) i need to push my changes to bazaar
[10:52] <Nightrose> Riddell: i got a room for all days in roosdendaal
[10:52] <Riddell> etretyak: push push!
[10:52] <Nightrose> Riddell: if you are still looking you might want to ask in #akademy
[10:55] <Xand3r> akademy? what i have missed?
[10:56] <Nightrose> Xand3r: only a little more than a week left until akademy in belgium
[10:56] <Nightrose> \o/
[10:56]  * Nightrose is excited
[10:56] <Xand3r> akademy?
[10:56] <Xand3r> whats going on there?
[10:56] <Nightrose> akademy.kde.org
[10:56] <Xand3r> hmm
[10:57] <Nightrose> hacking, talks and world domination planning :P
[10:57] <Nightrose> Riddell: you could also ask on https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/akademy-participant if someone is still looking for someone to share a room who already booked
[11:01] <Jucato> Xand3r: you *DON'T* know what akademy is? O.o
[11:01]  * Jucato couldn't believe his ears :)
[11:01] <Xand3r> Jucato: now i know about it
[11:01] <Xand3r> nothing for me
[11:01] <Jucato> welcome to the KDE world :)
[11:01] <Jucato> Xand3r: something every KDE hacker dreams about though :)
[11:01] <Jucato> well, except those you get to go *everytime*
[11:02] <Xand3r> i think i would be wrong there
[11:03] <Jucato> hm.. even Windows hackers would not be wrong there (KDE Windows) :)
[11:04] <Nightrose> Jucato: ;-)
[11:04] <Xand3r> Jucato: i am not new on the stuff but i dont know much more than i have stared, i am a realy noob, i cant programm and i just started packaging
[11:05] <Xand3r> so what i can do on such a meeting?
[11:05] <Jucato> listen? participate? give input? :)
[11:05] <Jucato> meet Nightrose?
[11:05] <Nightrose> Jucato: I already met Xand3r a few times ;-)
[11:05] <Jucato> meet Nightrose *agan*?
[11:05] <Nightrose> Xand3r: I am not going to program there...
[11:05] <Nightrose> but doing a lot of world domination planning :P
[11:05] <mornfall> *yawn* Good morning.
[11:06] <Xand3r> hi
[11:06] <Nightrose> and prepare next amarok release
[11:06] <Nightrose> heya mornfall :)
[11:06] <Jucato> Xand3r: think of it this way, by the next akademy, you're probably more than "just started" :)
[11:06] <Xand3r> Nightrose: you could do something i am not, i expired it in berlin, i have realy no clue what the otheres are talking about
[11:07] <Xand3r> Jucato: i am now 2 years just started
[11:07] <Nightrose> mornfall: will you honor us with your attendence at akademy btw? ;-)
[11:07] <mornfall> Nightrose: Unfortunately not.
[11:07] <Jucato> Xand3r: ditto
[11:07] <Jucato> well, 2.5 years
[11:07] <Nightrose> :(
[11:08]  * Nightrose should really prepare her slides...
[11:08] <Xand3r> first thing i focus on packaging and becom motu^^
[11:09] <Xand3r> and preparing world domination
[11:10] <Xand3r> Nightrose: you preset someting?
[11:10] <Nightrose> jep
[11:10] <Nightrose> "How to rock the show with KDE"
[11:10] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:11] <Xand3r> you not afraid to speek in front of these "rockstars"?
[11:12] <Nightrose> hehe I met enough of them to not be intimidated anymore
[11:12] <Nightrose> believe me they are human :P
[11:12] <Nightrose> but sure
[11:13] <Nightrose> giving a talk at akademy will be a little...
[11:13] <Nightrose> different ;-)
[11:13] <Nightrose> but well if everthing goes well Franz will be giving it together with me
[11:14] <Xand3r> is it possible only sitting there and listen?
[11:15] <Xand3r> so is it open for everyone?
[11:15] <Jucato> it has an entrance fee
[11:15] <Jucato> oh wait, that's Guadec
[11:16]  * Jucato can't wait for Akademy to also have gobby or live (audio) streaming like UDS :)
[11:17] <Riddell> Xand3r: it's free to all, sitting and listening is entirely welcome, before long you'll get annoyed at something and find you have something to say :)
[11:17] <Nightrose> yea akademy is free - guadec is the one with a fee
[11:18] <Xand3r> Riddell: no i am afraid of asking something stupid
[11:19] <Riddell> Jucato: we've had live video streaming before, very nearly did last year, but it's not actually used much (compared to watching the videos afterwards) so it's not really worth the excessive hassle
[11:19] <Jucato> hehehe I can dream, can't I? :P
[11:19] <Jucato> but yeah. I guess it's not really worth it that much
[11:19] <Jucato> better post-conference vids > live vids
[11:20] <Xand3r> i think it would be nice to see the humans behinde the nicnames, but it is not in the holidays, and i have no money
[11:20] <Riddell> Xand3r: don't ask and you'll feel stupid forever :)
[11:20] <Jucato> ok that does it! Word of the day "Hassle"
[11:20] <\sh> Xand3r: no question is stupid...it's stupid not to ask
[11:20] <Xand3r> \sh: hi
[11:21] <Xand3r> \sh: i realy felt stupid in berlin
[11:21] <Nightrose> why?
[11:22] <\sh> Xand3r: you weren't...and you aren't ... no need to put you down yourself
[11:23] <davmor2> well Xand3r ws stood next to stupid all day so it was inevitable :)
[11:23]  * \sh sends via the holy irc a bit of self-assurance to Xand3r
[11:23] <Xand3r> \sh: thanks but that was what i have felt, Nightrose if you dont understand anything, and the others understand it, you felt like me
[11:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/485#comment-10556 <- can you have a look and check if it is ok?
[11:24] <Nightrose> Xand3r: they don't understand everything ;-)
[11:24] <Nightrose> i can assure you of that
[11:24] <\sh> Xand3r: but this is jhow it works...nobody knows everything from the beginning...people need to ask how it's working and how you do this and that...
[11:24] <Xand3r> Nightrose: but i thought so^^
[11:24] <Nightrose> and: listen and learn
[11:25] <Xand3r> yea i know, but it is hard for my
[11:25] <Xand3r> *me
[11:25] <txwikinger> Xand3r: Why do you think others understand and you donn't
[11:26] <txwikinger> And even if... why do you think they have taken shorter time to learn than you have?
[11:30] <Xand3r> txwikinger: i dont know, thats me, thats my personality
[11:30] <txwikinger> Well.. you can change this perception
[11:31] <txwikinger> That is something that is totally under your control
[11:31] <Xand3r> txwikinger: yea your right
[11:33] <Xand3r> does such an event exist in germany?
[11:35] <GreySim> I don't know where to go to formally suggest things like this, but somewhere in the repositories is a font package that installs a font called "Domestic Manners" which might be worth considering installing by default, and settings as the default for the post-it note plasmoid.
[11:36] <Nightrose> Xand3r: Akademy is somewhere else every year - next year it will be on the canarian islands
[11:36] <Nightrose> toghether with the gnome conference guadec
[11:36] <Nightrose> -h
[11:36] <Xand3r> aha
[11:37] <smarter> where is kdeplasma-addons/intrepid 4.1.0?
[11:38] <Xand3r> Nightrose: uff how you would pay the fly? boa, i think i will never be on the akademy
[11:39] <smarter> apachelogger: did we forget to upload it?
[11:39] <Riddell> hmm, good question smarter
[11:40] <Nightrose> Xand3r: if you can't afford it you can ask the KDE eV for sponsoring if you are an active contributor
[11:40] <Xand3r> Nightrose: if only^^
[11:43] <Riddell> "Unhandled exception processing upload: jonathan@jonathan-desktop is not a valid email address"
[11:43]  * Riddell eyes up JontheEchidna 
[11:44] <GreySim> The font package I mentioned above is "ttf-dustin", BTW, and at least the particular font I mentioned is GPLed, if not all of them.
[11:45] <Riddell> morning Tonio_, would you be able to stop kdesudo outputting an annoying debugging line, it looks ugly
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[11:45] <Riddell> and you know how I like my command line to be all pretty :)
[11:46] <Nightrose> *lol*
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> LET'S FIX
[11:46] <Tonio_> oups
[11:48] <Xand3r> i want to compile kdeplasma-addons for kde-nightly on hardy, i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/32557/
[11:48] <Xand3r> i dont know what i do wrong
[11:50] <Tonio_> hum..... my kde4 is borked.... I can't figure out why....
[11:50] <Tonio_> even reinstalling all the packages doesn't fix....
[11:50] <Tonio_> I'll have to reinstall my system I suspect
[12:00] <mornfall> Tonio_: Hey.
[12:01] <Tonio_> hi mornfall :)
[12:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what is to be checked?
[12:08] <apachelogger> smarter: apparently we didn't copy it
[12:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: general sanity - that is from the guy that posted alpha 1 packages on kde-apps.org
[12:09] <apachelogger> smarter: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=addons&field.status_filter=published
[12:09] <apachelogger> or we did
[12:10] <smarter> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons
[12:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[12:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: isn't that the very same thing?!
[12:10] <smarter> oh, "Published in intrepid-release 5 minutes ago" :P
[12:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: likely
[12:10] <smarter> apachelogger: Riddell already uploaded it
[12:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: "Is all the menu text being a light blue one of the obvious bugs?"
[12:13] <apachelogger> last comment thread on ako
[12:13] <apachelogger> ...somehow I have the feeling earth is falling apart
[12:14] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: oO
[12:15] <nixternal> the email to the list today got me looking at brainstorm and it has come to my conclusion that brainstorm has become a cess pool with more complaints than ideas
[12:15] <Nightrose> heya nixternal
[12:15] <nixternal> open source is a give-and-take relationship, so stop bitching and start giving :P
[12:16] <Nightrose> nixternal: agreed
[12:16] <Nightrose> i checked some of the amarok ideasa few days ago
[12:16] <Nightrose> oh dear...
[12:16] <Nightrose> yea
[12:16] <nixternal> then again, maybe people are married to open source, hence all the bitching :P
[12:16] <Nightrose> :P
[12:16] <apachelogger> good morning nixternal
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: did I forget to change my email in a package or something?
[12:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yep, I fixed it and uploaded
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> meh, thanks
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> where do I change where it grabs my email from?
[12:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: set export DEBEMAIL= in .bashrc :)
[12:17] <Riddell> also  export DEBFULLNAME=
[12:19] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hey ho
[12:19] <apachelogger> hey Xand3r
[12:21] <Xand3r> rubberband makes me realy angry
[12:31] <Xand3r> ya hooo
[12:36] <apachelogger> poor Xand3r
[12:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ^^, now it works
[12:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but i have to think a lot^^
[12:37] <apachelogger> lol
[12:46] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i think there is a better solution, but it is the only i get
[12:52] <nixternal> Riddell: packaging pinentry-0.7.6+svn187 to include pinentry-qt4
[12:52] <Riddell> nixternal: yay
[12:53] <mornfall> Tonio_: How do you feel about rebuilding some 3 packages from Debian experimental, when I push them there? : - )
[12:53] <mornfall> For Interpid, that is.
[12:54] <Tonio_> mornfall: no pb with me :)
[12:55] <apachelogger> Arby: ping
[12:55] <Arby> apachelogger: pong
[12:56] <apachelogger> Arby: do you want/have time to package kio_sysinfo?
[12:56] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo/
[12:56] <Arby> apachelogger: I'm working now but I should have time this evening or at the weekend
[12:57] <Arby> in between extragear backports :)
[12:57] <apachelogger> Arby: only mldonkey is left
[12:57] <apachelogger> and I think vorian has to do some changes to intrepid first anyway
[12:57] <Arby> oh, someone had fun last night then :)
[12:57]  * Arby looks
[12:57] <apachelogger> vorian, even though I told him to go to bed :P
[12:58] <Arby> well done vorian
[12:58] <Arby> apachelogger: ok I'll do kio-sysinfo tonight
[12:59] <apachelogger> cool
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you know that bug where closing the window doesn't actually quit the application?
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167522
[13:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I do
[13:03] <apachelogger> happens with konqueror
[13:03] <apachelogger> and kate
[13:03] <apachelogger> and kwrite
[13:03] <apachelogger> and kopete
[13:03] <apachelogger> and kmail
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:03] <apachelogger> that's what I noticed so far
[13:03] <apachelogger> and it happens in hardy
[13:03] <apachelogger> in intrepid
[13:03] <apachelogger> and windows
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> you tested in windows too?
[13:03] <apachelogger> of course I did
[13:03] <apachelogger> if I had a mac I would test it there as well
[13:04] <apachelogger> but I don't own one, so...
[13:04]  * apachelogger logs into bko and comments
[13:04] <JontheEchidna> heh
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> do you think the change was committed after we grabbed the tarballs?
[13:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we have the official tarballs
[13:07] <apachelogger> I think that something in the branch state when 4.1.0 was tagged is causing that issue
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> that means they forgot to backport
[13:07] <apachelogger> it apparently changed afterwards
[13:07] <apachelogger> at least in trunk
[13:08] <apachelogger> no idea whether it also changed for the branch though
[13:08] <apachelogger> oh 70th blog post coming up
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi should be notified that his plasmoid he packaged has a new upstream release
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> vorian: also, your adopted plasmoid-system-status is up to 0.5 now
[13:12]  * apachelogger notes that one can subscribe to content updates on kde-apps
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: what exactly did you want me to do with the plasma defaults?
[13:13]  * JontheEchidna forgot to use the notes plasmoid :P
[13:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: edit kubuntu-default-settings to use them
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: can I just download the sources and change the stuff?
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> I heard something about bzr
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> is there a bzr branch that I'd need to edit?
[13:15] <Riddell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[13:15] <Riddell> bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> cool
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> amarok2 is looking sexy these days, btw
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> neon is late though :(
[13:20] <ScottK> \sh: Would you please take up the conversation in Bug 253245 - I understand what we have is correct, but I'm not a QT developer, so I expect you could explain it better.
[13:21] <\sh> ScottK: I'll have a look :)
[13:21] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:21] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: there are build problems right now - and noone wants to fix them before Qt 4.4.1
[13:22] <Nightrose> :(
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> "a lone tear runs down my cheek..." :(
[13:22] <Nightrose> but that should be released "any day now"
[13:22]  * Nightrose hopes
[13:22]  * JontheEchidna hopes too
[13:28] <\sh> ScottK: done, but I don't find this discussion on pyqt@riverbank ML...and I'm really following it closely :)
[13:29] <ScottK> \sh: Thanks.  I suspected you'd be a better person than I.
[13:30] <ScottK> \sh: Did you subscribe to the bug or should I ask again if I need further followup?
[13:30] <\sh> ScottK: I'm now :)
[13:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:37] <smarter> why does kde-l10n-xx only contains doc files?
[13:37] <apachelogger> launchpad
[13:37] <smarter> launchpad strips the translations?
[13:38] <apachelogger> well
[13:38] <apachelogger> kinda
[13:38] <apachelogger> they get imported into lp
[13:38] <apachelogger> and then exported as part of new packages
[13:38] <apachelogger> language-base-stuff or something
[13:38] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please review digikam, ithink now is everything nice http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4
[13:38] <smarter> apachelogger: language-pack-kde-xx ?
[13:39] <apachelogger> smarter: guess so
[13:39] <smarter> apachelogger: it's 3.5 stuff
[13:39] <apachelogger> but
[13:39] <Xand3r> vorian: you had testbuild it, please give a comment that it works, and alle files are there
[13:39] <apachelogger> smarter: exactly
[13:40] <smarter> so? :p
[13:41] <Riddell> smarter: it's 3.5 stuff because currently kde 4 packages don't generate .pot files
[13:41] <Riddell> smarter: I just uploaded a kdelibs which does generate .pot files using the all new kde4.mk from cdbs
[13:41] <smarter> cool
[13:42] <smarter> by the way, all packages should switch from debian/cdbs to kde4.mk?
[13:42] <Riddell> I need to upload everything kde 4 to use kde4.mk and then launchpad will have the new translations
[13:42] <smarter> okay
[13:42] <Riddell> smarter: yes
[13:43] <smarter> what's dh_sameversiondeps for?
[13:45] <Riddell> to get the right version depends on some packages
[13:46] <smarter> some packages = kde core modules?
[13:46]  * ScottK notes that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/GuestAccount is one feature he'd prefer Kubuntu not try to 'catch up' on.
[13:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should just do the change along the 4.0.1 update?
[13:46] <Riddell> ScottK: why not?
[13:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: considering we will have to touch every package anyway
[13:47] <ScottK> Because I put the accounts on my system I want people to have access to.  I don't want others.
[13:47] <ScottK> It seems a very Windows thing to do.
[13:48] <Riddell> ScottK: then don't log in with the guest feature
[13:48] <Riddell> smarter: kde4libs uses it, see kdelibs5-dev
[13:48] <smarter> ok
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd rather the .pots were generated before launchpad starts making new language-pack exports, which I think is any day now
[13:48] <ScottK> Riddell: The point is if my laptop is sitting at a conference table I don't want other people to be able to do it.
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[13:49] <Riddell> ScottK: they wouldn't, unless you give out your password
[13:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I think providing that class of account that one could add if wanted would be reasonable.  Adding the account by default, not.
[13:50] <ScottK> Sigh. One more thing to remove after install.
[13:54] <Xand3r> i a gree with ScottK suche a account has to be no default
[13:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: can i ignor this error? unstripped-binary-or-object ./usr/bin/rubberband
[13:59] <Riddell> if you read the spec, it's not actually an account
[14:02] <mornfall> First of all, Enrico has uploaded apt-xapian-index 0.14 into unstable just now, if someone could sync that when it hits the block, that'd be great, thanks. (Should be hopefully accept'd in a few minutes.)
[14:08] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: 4.4.1 seems to be released \o/
[14:08] <Nightrose> apachelogger: neon! :-)   ^
[14:08]  * Nightrose would love to have new packages again
[14:09] <Riddell> Nightrose: qt?
[14:09] <Nightrose> yes
[14:10] <Xand3r> i realy proud that i solved rubberband allone :D please review it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=rubberband
[14:15] <Xand3r> Riddell: have you some time left for reviewing digikam? it would be realy nice http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4
[14:21] <seele> will the kde4 networkmanager Bille is working on be ready for intrepid?
[14:23] <Riddell> seele: I guess you'd need to ask Bille
[14:24]  * seele shrugs.  didn't know if anyone talked to him regularly
[14:33] <mornfall> Tonio_: apt-xapian-index (0.14) has landed in unstable and libwibble (0.1.20) in experimental -- these are the first two
[14:34] <Tonio_> mornfall: ok downloading !
[14:34] <mornfall> Tonio_: libept is in incoming and will get there in a minute and I'll upload adept in a second.
[14:34] <Tonio_> oki
[14:37] <mornfall> (You still need to fetch them from incoming.debian.org, no idea when they hit the pool, really.)
[14:40] <smarter> hmm, kdebase-plasma seems to need a rebuild
[14:40] <smarter> folderview does not work(it's black)
[14:41] <smarter> after a rebuild it works, but it does not install cleanly because it needs kde4libs-bin(maybe related to my system, I did not try to pbuild it)
[14:41] <smarter> Riddell: ^
[14:41] <smarter> bbl
[14:47] <[GuS]> Hi guys.. when i try to build the packge of Qt4.4 (using repository source) with phonon support, at the end of the build process (using dpkg-buildpackage) i have: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for libphonon.so.4
[14:47] <[GuS]> how can i fix that? and, is thee a way to continue building from that part? cause the compilation was tooo long to start again :S
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> I know that if you used debuild to build the package you could use the command "debuild -nc" to do that
[14:50] <[GuS]> mmm ok
[14:50] <[GuS]> and the dependency problem?
[14:51] <[GuS]> is there a way to... not check for that one?
[14:54] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the copyright search help from your hp is gone, can you give it to me? cause i dont know it
[14:58] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[14:58] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[14:58] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i didnt get to watch your screencast yet
[15:01] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: when will you watch it? I will probable leave in some minutes (~15 mins) but will be back in about 2-3 hours
[15:02] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: once i get this project for work done, so maybe this afternoon after lunch
[15:03] <Artemis_Fowl> ok. then we will talk about it tomorrow?
[15:04] <[GuS]> JontheEchidna: yeah, thanks that works for dpkg-buildpackage too... just now i am looking how to avoid that dependency check
[15:05] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: yes, that will be better
[15:06] <ScottK> [GuS]: I suspect (without looking) that's actually a problem in the phonon packaging and you won't be able to work around it if you want phonon support.
[15:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm off to a few highland games for the weekend, I'll be back Monday.
[15:07] <[GuS]> ScottK: i can imagine that, since by default is -no-phonon in the configure rule... but i need  phonon for PyQt aswell...
[15:07] <[GuS]> since i need Qt phonon and no kde phonon
[15:08] <[GuS]> cause i now i make directly make install will install all... buti need the packages...
[15:08] <ScottK> Right.  Trying to point you in the right direction.
[15:08] <[GuS]> thanks :)
[15:08] <mornfall> Tonio_: You can has Adept now.
[15:09] <[GuS]> i will try to figure out how to skip that check...
[15:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: I don't know if you got to checking your email, but someone sent in an email asking that we better explain the differences between 'Kubuntu 8.04' and 'Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 Remix' on the download page... if you want to make changes to whats in the actual download box itself, you'll need to poke Matt Nuzum since that section is an iframe pointing to ubuntu.com
[15:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: the what?
[15:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: nevermind, i have solved it on my own, but thx
[15:20] <mornfall> Tonio_: Drop me a note when you have something (and tell me where), so I can prod people to test, please, thank you. : - )
[15:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: have you some time left for digikam or rubberband or both?that would be realy great, i think it is everything great, but i am not the master http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4 http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=rubberband
[15:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ask in #ubuntu-motu
[15:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ok thx
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> seele: that runner plasmoid off of kde-look is too old for KDE 4.1 :(
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> it hasn't been updated for 4.1's api changes
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> you're going to have to pick something else for the bribe ;-)
[15:38] <seele> JontheEchidna: lol i'll have to think about it :)
[15:41] <Nightrose> ohhhh do i get mine first then JontheEchidna? ;-)
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: yeah
[15:41] <Nightrose> \o/
[15:41] <Nightrose> sorry seele ;-)
[15:45] <mornfall> seele: Heya.
[15:46] <mornfall> seele: From time to time a rumour reaches me that you want to talk to me?
[15:49] <[GuS]> JontheEchidna: do you know a way to avoid dpkg-shlibdeps when building a package? (or inside the rules for a certain lib) ? I am asking in #ubuntu-motu... but no reply so far
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> nope, no clue
[15:49] <[GuS]> ok thanks
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: pbuilding for intrepid now
[15:51] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: sweet :)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> they're really easy to package
[15:52] <mornfall> [GuS]: Why would you do that?
[15:54] <mornfall> [GuS]: Sounds like a problem somewhere else... Are you sure your libphonon.whatever comes from a package. Is your system clean? Tried pbuilder?
[15:54] <[GuS]> mornfall: cause i am building Qt4.4 with phonon support.. an failts checking that lib
[15:55] <[GuS]> mornfall: i am not going to upload the package and nothing... i only need that...
[15:55] <mornfall> [GuS]: dpkg -S /path/to/libphonon... says? (Use the path you get from ldd /path/to/built_qt_4.4)
[15:56] <[GuS]> mornfall: default qt4.4 rules is not being build with phonon... ad the only libphonon i have in my sys, comes from kde
[15:56] <mcas> apachelogger: ping
[15:57] <[GuS]> and says libphonon-dev... but that one is from kde
[15:58] <mornfall> [GuS]: And your partially-built qt is linked against, umm, something from liphonon-*dev*?
[15:58] <ScottK> [GuS]: Mixing upstream tarballs and Kubuntu packages is not generally a recipe for success.
[15:58] <[GuS]> ?
[15:59] <[GuS]> mornfall: is not
[15:59] <[GuS]> ScottK: mixing?
[15:59] <[GuS]> i am not mixing....
[15:59] <ScottK> I thought you said you were trying to modify a packaged QT4.4 to work with an upstream phonon.
[15:59] <mornfall> [GuS]: So what it *is* linked against?
[15:59] <[GuS]> guys... Qt4.4 is finished to compile... i only have problems building the package...
[15:59] <[GuS]> ScottK: no man...
[15:59]  * ScottK decides it's too confusing and goes back to $WORK.
[16:00] <mornfall> [GuS]: Dude, we understand. But dpkg-shlibdeps probably has *some* reason to fail, don't you think?
[16:00] <[GuS]> i am building Qt4.4 with -phonon in the configure rule
[16:00] <[GuS]> which by default Qt4.4 is bveing building with -no-phonon
[16:00] <[GuS]> and i need qt phonon.. and no kde phonon..
[16:00] <[GuS]> mornfall: is why i am asking
[16:00] <mornfall> [GuS]: And are you sure you have modified the debian/ directory to get the qt libphonon installed?
[16:01] <mornfall> (Or even created a binary package for it?)
[16:01] <mornfall> (It would have helped to say that the Qt build creates a new phonon library, though ;).)
[16:03] <[GuS]> mmm but this is not complaining about other check?
[16:03] <[GuS]> lets see.. i have this when fails: http://pastebin.com/m30619d0f
[16:07] <mornfall> [GuS]: Well, you have to make sure that your libphonon.so.4 from Qt is installed into a binary package. You should probably study a packaging guide of some sort on how to do that.
[16:07] <mornfall> [GuS]: If it is not, the packages cannot work correctly, and it seems that the build also fails just because of that.
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose, apachelogger, vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-flickr
[16:08] <Nightrose> \o/
[16:08] <txwikinger> hmmm.. das Konqueror-kde4 printing is not optimal yet :D
[16:18] <mornfall> yuriy: Hi, https://code.launchpad.net/~yuriy-kozlov/adept/adept-qt4 is obsolete, I gather?
[16:19] <yuriy> mornfall: yes, that's the "take the code and fix errors until it compiles with qt4" version
[16:20]  * mornfall is cleaning up his local branches and had a copy of that one...
[16:30] <Riddell> sorry for ignoring everyone this afternoon, I'm just deep in kconfig code for this launchpad translations stuff
[16:37] <seele> mornfall: i was just asking about adept 3 the other day, that's it
[16:37] <seele> mornfall: i saw your comment that youre going to be working on it again
[16:38] <seele> hum.. Artemis' screencast isnt working
[16:45] <Xand3r> what sais the @@ -26,6 +26,7 @@ line of a patch?
[16:51] <mornfall> Xand3r: File offsets. Don't touch it. Don't touch the diff at all. : - )
[16:52] <Xand3r> mornfall: kk
[16:58] <seele> there we go
[17:03]  * mornfall pokes Tonio_ in the ribs in a friendly manner.
[17:03] <Tonio_> mornfall: :)
[17:04] <Tonio_> mornfall: yep ?
[17:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: that's about all the packages you asked to be uploaded ?
[17:05] <mornfall> Tonio_: Indeed. : - )
[17:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: if so that'll be done toonight
[17:05] <mornfall> Tonio_: Great.
[17:05] <mornfall> Tonio_: I luv you.
[17:05] <Tonio_> I'm not available yet (phone), but will do it :)
[17:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: we all love you too :)
[17:06]  * mornfall will disappear in a pub in a while, but tomorrow when I wake up, I'll blog about that miserable alpha5.
[17:06] <mornfall> ;)
[17:06] <smarter> can someone confirm this? folderview does not work(plasmoid is black), after a rebuild of kdebase and install of kdebase-plasma, it works fine
[17:27] <apachelogger> mcas: pong
[17:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are taking Nightrose way too serious
[17:28]  * apachelogger is drinking coffee
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it took 10 minutes
[17:28] <apachelogger> should have done that yesterday, snoozed away in a documentation about chinese politics ;-)
[17:33] <smarter> apachelogger: can you confirm the folderview bug ^
[17:38] <apachelogger> smarter: -addons isn't built yet?
[17:38] <apachelogger> maybe
[17:38] <smarter> it's not in -addons
[17:38] <smarter> folderview is in kdebase
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> addons should be built except in the obscure archs because of dependency issues
[17:39] <apachelogger> smarter: oh
[17:39] <apachelogger> this
[17:39] <apachelogger> is
[17:39] <apachelogger> not
[17:39] <apachelogger> good
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> but yeah, it is in kdebase-plasma
[17:39]  * apachelogger should stop that one word writing
[17:41] <apachelogger> hm
[17:41] <apachelogger> smarter: there is something awfully broken
[17:41] <mornfall> Riddell: (When you emerge from the depth of KConfig -- could you add me to the roll on planetkde? The goes like, Petr Ročkai (mornfall), http://blog.mornfall.net/, http://web.mornfall.net/planet/kde.rss -- thanks.
[17:42] <smarter> apachelogger: it works after a rebuild, so it's not that broken
[17:42] <apachelogger> smarter: I restarted plasma and now I can't even add it
[17:42] <apachelogger> findServiceByDesktopPath:  not found
[17:43] <smarter> I get these errors too
[17:43] <smarter> but it works
[17:43] <smarter> try to rebuild kdebase
[17:44] <apachelogger> smarter: I am interested in the cause not in how to fix it :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> fixing without knowing the cause of the problem isn't future proof ;-)
[17:45] <smarter> probably kdebase was built before kdelibs or something like that
[17:45] <apachelogger> well
[17:45] <apachelogger> kdelibs was rebuilt
[17:45] <apachelogger> or
[17:45] <apachelogger> no
[17:45] <apachelogger> that is very very strange
[17:46] <smarter> plasmoid-* also seem to need rebuild
[17:46] <apachelogger> those do for sure
[17:47] <apachelogger> but the main distribution packages have versionied deps on >= 4.10
[17:47] <apachelogger> so kdebase can't have been built before libs
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> plasma did break binary compat pretty consistently throughout the prerelease cycle
[17:48] <mcas> apachelogger: hi i handle the launchpad bug without you i heard you have a lot to do
[17:48] <mcas> thanks anyway
[17:50] <apachelogger> mcas: what bug?
[17:50] <apachelogger> smarter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32655/
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: With kubuntu-default-settings, is Intrepid still using the rc files in the kde4 folder?
[17:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: unless someone changed it ;-)
[17:51] <apachelogger> eventually we should switch paths
[17:51] <mcas> about closing kate, i linked it to bugs.kde.org
[17:51] <apachelogger> move the kde4 stuff into main and the kde3 stuff in one single subdirectory
[17:51] <apachelogger> mcas: please subscribe me :)
[17:51] <smarter> apachelogger: other strange thing: systemsettings -> sound -> backend, there's only gstreamer, and it does not seem to work(dragonplayer does not work)
[17:52] <apachelogger> smarter: for some yet unknown reason Riddell switched to gstreamer
[17:52] <apachelogger> already told him it's broken
[17:52] <smarter> I'm going to use good old kaffeine then :)
[17:53] <apachelogger> smarter: just install the xine backend
[17:53] <apachelogger> hm
[17:53] <mcas> apachelogger: you are listed under "notified"
[17:53] <apachelogger> I think the folderview issue is related to findServiceByDesktopPath:  not found
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it is
[17:53] <apachelogger> and that error message is the suck
[17:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why?
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> I get that error message all the time
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> and folderview works fine
[17:54] <smarter> I get it too
[17:54] <apachelogger> mcas: ok, cool
[17:54] <smarter> and it works fine after a rebuild
[17:54] <mcas> so i should not subscribe you?
[17:54] <smarter> most of the time it is "findServiceByDesktopPath: systemsettings not found"
[17:55] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:55] <apachelogger> mcas: I am already ;-)
[17:55] <smarter> or findServiceByDesktopPath: /home/smarter/.kde/bla/Recentfiles/bla.desktop not found
[17:55]  * apachelogger is subscribed to half of KDE 
[17:55] <apachelogger> which is probably the reason I have 734 unread mails
[17:55] <apachelogger> smarter: that actually makes sense
[17:55] <smarter> yep
[17:56] <mcas> ok
[17:57] <apachelogger> KDE 4 - Enjoy the fragility!
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: should I update desktoptheme in the kde4 artwork folder too?
[17:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I don't think we use it
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> just delete it then?
[17:57] <apachelogger> nah
[17:58] <apachelogger> maybe we use it someday :P
[17:58] <apachelogger> you know every year got a 1st April
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> heh
[17:58] <apachelogger> smarter: poke the jr for a rebuild if that fixes the issue
[17:58]  * apachelogger gives up on plasma debugging
[17:58] <smarter> apachelogger: can you try to rebuild it and see if it fix it for you too?
[17:59] <smarter> argh
[17:59]  * smarter sucks at kgoldrunner
[18:00]  * JontheEchidna does too
[18:00] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeplasma-addons-data_4%3a4.1.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[18:00] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/fifteenpuzzle.svgz', which is also in package kdeplasmoids-data
[18:00] <apachelogger> uhhhhh
[18:00] <smarter> uh oh
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> does bzr automatically handle file deletion?
[18:00]  * apachelogger grabs the bazooka
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> or is there a bzr remove command?
[18:01] <smarter> JontheEchidna: bzr rm
[18:01] <apachelogger> bzr rm
[18:01] <smarter> but if you remove and commit, it rm automagically
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> cool
[18:01] <smarter> but it does not add files automagically, you have to use bzr add
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> ^that's why I wanted to ask
[18:05] <apachelogger> uh
[18:05] <apachelogger> strange things going on
[18:06] <apachelogger> apparently in .98 I renamed the packages and add conflicts on << .98 ... upgrade done using transitional packages
[18:06] <apachelogger> so how did I get a .98 -data deb which actually includes data?
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> by doing said renaming process while you were falling asleep? :P
[18:07] <apachelogger> no
[18:08] <apachelogger> look at the packaging
[18:08] <apachelogger> everything is fine
[18:08] <apachelogger> besdies JontheEchidna somehow managing to make a << 4.1.98
[18:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you currently working on something?
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-default-settings
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> trying to figure out what I need to change
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> (what else
[18:11] <apachelogger> everything :P
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> so far I've taken out everything from kde4/ and put their equivalents in kde3/
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> and replaced the TODO stub for plasma-appletsrc with plasma-appletsrc
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> and made an entry in the changelog
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> bzr added the new contents of the files for everything
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> what I'm wonder now is
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> what else do I need to change to make things work?
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> or is it going to be automagically taken care of?
[18:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Makefile
[18:16] <apachelogger> oh, that said
[18:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if you are a real sweety, you could introduce cmake
[18:16]  * JontheEchidna freezes in fear
[18:17]  * apachelogger always starts getting visions when working on plain makefiles
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> VERSION = 5.03
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> itsn't it 8.04 now?
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> *8.10
[18:17] <apachelogger> don't think so
[18:17] <apachelogger> and I don't think it matters :P
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> heh
[18:18] <apachelogger> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-dbg_4.1.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[18:18] <apachelogger> meh
[18:18]  * apachelogger burns his local repo down
[18:18]  * JontheEchidna thinks he'll just touch as little as he has to to avoid breaking things
[18:18] <apachelogger> wrong attitude
[18:18] <emunkki> come on baby light my fire ;)
[18:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: right now you can break stuff, you just shouldn't do couple of days before a release ;-)
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> heh
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> yay for alphas
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> Are we still installing wallpapers?
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> that comes in kdebase now
[18:26] <smarter> apachelogger: you think we could use cmake for kubuntu-* things?
[18:27] <apachelogger> smarter: why wouldn't we?
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> make is failing in building usplash :(
[18:29] <apachelogger> btw
[18:29] <apachelogger> if anyone is feeling like it
[18:30] <apachelogger> qt 4.4.1 was released
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> oh, I need a dependency I don't have
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> apparently all make does is build usplash
[18:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: exactly
[18:33] <apachelogger> well
[18:33] <apachelogger> and install the files
[18:33]  * JontheEchidna guesses running make install on a hardy system wouldn't be the best idea
[18:35]  * JontheEchidna knows he should just dist-upgrade
[18:36] <apachelogger> upgrades ftw
[18:37] <smarter> apachelogger: cmake is a bit overkill for what we do imho
[18:37] <apachelogger> smarter: why?
[18:38] <apachelogger> cmake is more handy
[18:38] <apachelogger> currently we have to much copy'n paste going on defautls
[18:38] <apachelogger> oh
[18:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: try to clean up the directory structure a bit
[18:38] <smarter> bbl
[18:39]  * apachelogger found it a bit confusing last time
[18:40]  * JontheEchidna is trying to commit but can't ...
[18:40] <apachelogger> cool :P
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/m17a04868
[18:40]  * apachelogger add workspace ppa2 featuring a kwin transitonal package
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> I thought commit was supposed to change your local copy?
[18:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you actually push using your lp user?
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> I'm commit -m'ing right now
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> not pushing
[18:42] <apachelogger> why would that complain about the remote location then?
[18:42] <apachelogger> ah
[18:42] <apachelogger> smarter will know
[18:43]  * apachelogger deletes 738 mails related to package uploads/builds
[18:43]  * apachelogger also marks the remaining 177 as read
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> this is how I checked out, if it would make a difference: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[18:45] <DRebellion> apachelogger, did you get round to looking at monkeystudio?
[18:45] <apachelogger> not yet
[18:45] <apachelogger> still quite busy with 4.1
[18:46] <apachelogger> DRebellion: did you still not find any other motu to look at it?
[18:46] <DRebellion> apachelogger, I haven't asked. It's a lot easier when you already have an advocation under your belt. I will ask here and in #ubuntu-motu now.
[18:46] <Xand3r> gaaa
[18:46] <Xand3r> i worked on a package now i am nearly finished, i see it is a kde3 app
[18:47] <Xand3r> -.-
[18:47] <apachelogger> vorian: *poke* take a look at monkeystudio - Qt 4 IDE
[18:47] <DRebellion> Any MOTUs with a bit of free time ---> monkeystudio is a Qt4 IDE that needs reviewing in REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=monkeystudio ;)
[18:47] <DRebellion> apachelogger, is kubuntu-kde4-desktop stable?
[18:48] <apachelogger> DRebellion: of course it is
[18:48] <DRebellion> great
[18:50] <apachelogger> smarter: rebuild fixes folderview
[18:50] <apachelogger> for whatever reason
[18:50] <apachelogger> smarter: thinking about it - it might well be that kdebase was built before -workspace finished
[18:50]  * apachelogger checks the logs
[18:52] <apachelogger> Get:9 http://ftpmaster.internal intrepid/main libplasma2 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu6 [1533kB]
[18:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: please upload a build1 for kdebase
[18:52] <apachelogger> it was built against the old libplasma causing breakage
[19:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, I have the impression gnomelovers are successfully converting amarok users with troubles to rhythmbox/banshee via LP answers
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> How dare they!
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> oh, I think my bzr problems were caused by me using a bzr co instead of bzr branch
[19:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I hate that ... it is a workaround, and I hate workarounds :P
[19:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:20] <apachelogger> uhm
[19:20] <apachelogger> bug 210287
[19:20] <apachelogger> who is maintaining the ps3 port?!
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> Die sony!
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> bug 253707
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> I knew just placing it in the computer tab wasn't a good idea
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> [/personal_vendetta] :P
[19:27] <apachelogger> well
[19:27] <apachelogger> one can delete it
[19:27] <apachelogger> which is an issue
[19:27] <apachelogger> just wanted to confirm that one
[19:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but if you want ;-)
[19:27] <apachelogger> seele: what do you think of bug 253709
[19:29]  * Arby commences work on kio_sysinfo
[19:30] <seele> apachelogger: that is a general plasma issue
[19:30]  * apachelogger nods
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> resizing using the icon on the handle works
[19:30] <apachelogger> well
[19:30] <Arby> first up we need to make an about/kubuntu directory
[19:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it is pretty unexpectable
[19:30] <seele> apachelogger: i think it either hard or impossible to get that working in plasmoids atm, but i dont remember the discussion well because it was too technical
[19:31] <apachelogger> seele: do you know whether there is a KDE bug about that?
[19:31] <seele> apachelogger: the other problem with the resize icon is it is center-based instead of using it as a corner drag tool
[19:31] <seele> apachelogger: there are probably tons :)
[19:31] <apachelogger> figured ;-)
[19:31]  * apachelogger confirms the bug
[19:31] <seele> well.. i think it is more of a Wish than a bug
[19:32] <seele> but yeah, works as intended -- just doesnt work very well
[19:33] <apachelogger> I think we might dump something in ~/Desktop by default
[19:33] <apachelogger> apparently people have no idea what that transparent frame is for ;-)
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> isn't the fix bug 253718 supposed to be implemented as part of the Intrepid defaults spec?
[19:33] <seele> apachelogger: i thought we were dumping the Desktop file in general?
[19:33] <Arby> apachelogger: for kio_sysinfo, any idea what image we should use to replace http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9505/backgroundav7.png
[19:33] <Arby> for kubuntu
[19:33] <seele> because now there are the default folders for Pictures and Documents created in ~/
[19:34] <Arby> obviously a kubuntu logo
[19:34] <Arby> but which one and where can I grab them from
[19:34] <apachelogger> seele: only on the livecd
[19:34] <seele> ah ok
[19:35] <apachelogger> the installed system doesn't have the example stuff nor anything in ~/Desktop
[19:35] <apachelogger> maybe some nice promotional video introduction to kubuntu
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> aren't we hurting for disc space as it is?^
[19:35] <apachelogger> Arby: I guess you figured to add a new subdirectory in that about folder?
[19:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: in KDE 3 we did ;-)
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> how much smaller is kde4?
[19:36] <apachelogger> well that is the question
[19:36] <apachelogger> eitherway
[19:36] <apachelogger> we could just make it depend on the avilablility of internet
[19:36] <Arby> apachelogger: yes I basically just copied what fedora had.
[19:36] <apachelogger> if intarwebs access is available we download the video deb
[19:37] <Arby> there are only two images we need to change
[19:37] <apachelogger> otherwise just dump a text file
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> we could make an introductory plasmoid that grabs/plays the intro video!\
[19:37] <apachelogger> Arby: and the css I guess?
[19:37] <Arby> as far as I can tell, background.png and inner-bcg.png
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> maybe I could work on that for Intrepid+1
[19:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that wouldn't resolve the folderview issue though :P
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:37] <apachelogger> Arby: ok, fair enough
[19:37] <Arby> apachelogger: yes I suppose so. although I don't speak css
[19:37] <Arby> or cpp
[19:37] <apachelogger> emunkki does
[19:38] <Arby> this is going to be fi
[19:38] <apachelogger> css
[19:38] <Arby> fun
[19:38] <Arby> I was hoping to just get something built that works first
[19:38] <Arby> then fix the cosmetics
[19:38] <apachelogger> Arby: sure
[19:38] <apachelogger> Riddell, ryanakca: do we have an SVG of the kubuntu logo used on the website?
[19:39] <Arby> apachelogger: now I need a crash course in packaging from scratch with cmake
[19:39] <Arby> know any good tutorials
[19:39] <apachelogger> Arby: ubuntu wiki
[19:39] <Arby> doh
[19:39] <emunkki> apachelogger, pong
[19:39] <apachelogger> Arby: you could just use the cdbs anyway ;-)
[19:39] <emunkki> Arby, ding
[19:40] <apachelogger> oh
[19:40] <apachelogger> gotta get the dog in
[19:40] <Arby> apachelogger: meh, I don't know cdbs either
[19:40] <emunkki> user[name="emunkki"] { visibility: visible; }
[19:40] <Arby> apachelogger: I've always done merges before when the debian directory is already created
[19:40] <emunkki> Arby, just query/ping me if you need some help w/ css
[19:41] <Arby> emunkki: that's exactly what I was about to ask
[19:41] <Arby> you type faster than me :)
[19:41] <emunkki> yes i read your conversation
[19:41] <emunkki> sure
[19:41] <emunkki> ;)
[19:41] <emunkki> i've been hacking drupal for an hour now
[19:41] <emunkki> anything is fast after that
[19:49] <Arby> apachelogger: what is the preferred method of packaging cdbs or cmake?
[19:56] <smarter> Arby: cmake is not for packaging
[19:56] <smarter> Arby: cmake is for creating Makefile et al, it's used by KDE
[19:56] <smarter> Arby: cdbs/debhelper is used to create .debs
[19:56] <Arby> smarter: ah.
[19:57]  * Arby does some head scratching
[19:57] <seele> apachelogger: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164355
[20:04]  * apachelogger starts singing
[20:04] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E12ZcvBDsA0
[20:04] <apachelogger> seele: thank you very much
[20:06] <apachelogger> Arby: doesn't really matter with debhelper you will have to take care yourself of some stuff
[20:06] <apachelogger> bu
[20:06] <apachelogger> t
[20:07] <apachelogger> Arby: having some debhelper-only packages in your motu-like-tasks is a good thing for the motu applicatio
[20:07] <apachelogger> n
[20:07]  * apachelogger has a last character bug
[20:07] <Arby> apachelogger: I'm out of my depth here. could you give me a quick run down on what the steps are please.
[20:07] <Arby> I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#head-66c6b0077e9ea3c900f31d27c6b531c569918c88 now
[20:07] <apachelogger> Arby: dh_make the package
[20:08] <apachelogger> remove .ex .EX and other unnecessary stuff
[20:08] <apachelogger> edit changelog
[20:08] <apachelogger> edit control
[20:08] <apachelogger> edit copyright
[20:08] <apachelogger> edit rules - here you will most importantly have to change ./configure foobar to mkdir build && cd build && cmake ..
[20:08] <apachelogger> the cd build && also needs to prefix make and make install
[20:09] <apachelogger> it ensures out-of-source builds, so you most likely only have to do rm -rf build in the clean target
[20:09] <apachelogger> Arby: too basic? ;-)
[20:09] <Arby> no that's fine
[20:09] <Arby> I'll read the packaging guide for the details
[20:09] <Arby> apachelogger: that's what I needed thanks
[20:10] <Arby> apachelogger: is that all of it? then I attempt debuild?
[20:10] <apachelogger> Arby: well you want to add export DH_VERBOSE=1 to debian/rules
[20:11] <apachelogger> then kill debhelpers (i.e the dh_* things) which don't do anything
[20:11] <apachelogger> mostly these are at the very bottom
[20:11] <apachelogger> e.g. dh_installexamples will probably do nothing thus can be removed
[20:11] <apachelogger> Arby: removing comments and in general unnecessary stuff form rules is for bonus points ;-)
[20:12]  * Arby copies all of this for later
[20:12] <Arby> apachelogger: thanks, that'll get me started, just listen for the screams :)
[20:12]  * apachelogger starts singing louder so he doesn't hear the screams
[20:13]  * Arby cranks up the stereo to protect the neighbours :)
[20:21] <Arby> apachelogger: what is the correct version number for an svn snapshot?
[20:23] <apachelogger> Arby: 0.1~svn3402103403
[20:23] <apachelogger> or 0.0+svn130402301
[20:23] <Arby> where svnBlah is the revision number
[20:23] <Arby> ?
[20:23] <apachelogger> aye
[20:23] <apachelogger> or you can also use the date
[20:24] <Arby> thanks
[20:24] <apachelogger> some people prefer a combination of both
[20:24] <Arby> do we have any rules/guidelines/preferences?
[20:24] <apachelogger> but the date is probably most useful as it enables one to easily see whether an update should be done
[20:25] <Arby> ok so does kio_sysinfo-0.1~20080731 seem sensible?
[20:26]  * smarter likes 0.1~svnYYMMDD
[20:27] <smarter> Arby: but YYYY is great too if you think people will still use Ubuntu in one thousand year :P
[20:27] <Arby> smarter: habit, that format is used by some software at work :)
[20:28] <Arby> and actually it's only one hundred years :P
[20:28] <smarter> we could use YYY for that :p
[20:28] <apachelogger> smarter: YYYYMMDD is the iso way of doing it
[20:28] <Arby> that too
[20:29]  * Arby <- occasional iso tester :)
[20:29] <apachelogger> lol
[20:29] <apachelogger> I meant the ISO ISO not the CD ISO :P
[20:29] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:29]  * apachelogger grabs the revu pencil
[20:30] <smarter> openxml is iso too, that does not make it good :P
[20:32] <Arby> erm, noob question 437: Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs?
[20:32] <Arby> which one ^^ ?
[20:33] <Arby> if I had to guess I'd say cdbs, but it's only a guess
[20:38] <apachelogger> Arby: single, unless you want to use cdbs :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> but since that is not the case ;-)
[20:38] <Arby> told you I was guessing :)
[20:38] <Serega> heya
[20:38]  * apachelogger notes that Xand3r is offline far too often
[20:38]  * Arby starts over
[20:38] <apachelogger> hoy Serega
[20:39] <Serega> how are you guys?
[20:39] <Serega> RL had catched me for long. have escaped, though :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> these real lifes are nasty things, I tell you
[20:42]  * apachelogger does mean drunken reviews
[20:42] <apachelogger> hooray
[20:43] <Serega> soouuuu... I continue my work on gdebi-kde (former gdebi-kde4), right?
[20:44] <apachelogger> aye
[20:45] <Serega> I also would like try my self in kdebase on #253754
[20:45] <Serega> *myself
[20:45] <Serega> gurus?
[20:45] <apachelogger> bug 253754
[20:47] <apachelogger> Serega: #kde-devel
[20:47] <apachelogger> you should also discuss this first there ;-)
[20:48] <Serega> apachelogger: ah, yup, thanks
[20:51] <Arby> apachelogger: what should be set as section: and priority in debian/control?
[20:51] <Arby> just stick with what dh_make sets?
[20:52] <Arby> and next question, how do I find out what the build-deps should be?
[20:55]  * apachelogger pokes jpds
[20:56]  * jpds hadth poketh been.
[20:56] <apachelogger> Arby: section -> kde
[20:56] <apachelogger> Arby: prio -> optional
[20:56] <jpds> What great timing, I just came on.
[20:56] <apachelogger> Arby: deps -> readme/install or trial-and-error
[20:56] <apachelogger> jpds: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-flickr
[20:56] <apachelogger> jpds: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-teacooker
[20:56] <apachelogger> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
[20:56] <apachelogger> search for them :S
[20:58] <jpds> apachelogger: Not in the upload queue or incoming.
[20:58] <apachelogger> it's broken!
[20:58] <apachelogger> -.-
[20:59]  * apachelogger stops reviewing and continues bug triaging
[20:59] <jpds> apachelogger: I suggest poking RainCT in #u-motu
[20:59] <jpds> BRB, supper time.
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> revu is broken...
[21:04] <smarter> apachelogger: we should b-d on libplasma >> X.X to avoid that sort of problems
[21:05] <apachelogger> smarter: I think we did
[21:05] <apachelogger> maybe Riddell changed it to speedup compiling *shrug*
[21:05] <apachelogger> or maybe it was one of those packages which I reviewed half asleep
[21:05] <smarter> yep
[21:05] <apachelogger> smarter: please add a note to the batcave
[21:06] <smarter> looks like JontheEchidna forgot to bump the build-dep :P
[21:06] <smarter> 'kay
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> which package?
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> oh, kdelibs
[21:06] <smarter> no
[21:06] <smarter> kdebase
[21:06] <apachelogger> yah, I didn't catch that one when reviewing either
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> I didn't do kdebase
[21:07] <apachelogger> vorian's fault :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> doesn't matter anyway
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> next time it happens someone gets a batkick
[21:07] <smarter> apachelogger: well, there's already "update the dependencies in debian/control (4.0.98 becomes 4.1.0, ensure to check the versions of all above listed packages)" on the page, maybe we should write it in bigger? :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> maybe
[21:07] <Arby> apachelogger: sorry, phone. there is no readme/install info
[21:07] <apachelogger> smarter: did I actually add a note about the lowerlevel deps?
[21:08] <apachelogger> like soprano
[21:08] <Arby> do I just attempt to build
[21:08] <apachelogger> Arby: yes
[21:08] <Arby> and see what it complains about
[21:08] <Arby> ok
[21:08] <smarter> apachelogger: yep
[21:08] <apachelogger> exactly
[21:08] <apachelogger> smarter: ok, make it bold or something ;-)
[21:08] <apachelogger> maybe we should write a script for that as well
[21:13] <smarter> apachelogger: first, we switch to bzr, then we write scripts, and only then we can start our world domination plans
[21:16] <apachelogger> meh
[21:16] <Xand3r> smarter: i your tut available now?
[21:17] <smarter> Xand3r: hmm?
[21:17] <apachelogger> can someone reproduce bug 253282
[21:17] <Arby> apachelogger: the k-s source doesn't contain a license file
[21:18] <Arby> is there some sort of kde default?
[21:18] <Xand3r> smarter: using bzr for packaging like you told in the meeting yesterday
[21:18] <Arby> i.e. kde is always gpl or some such
[21:18] <smarter> Arby: kde uses lgplv2 iirc
[21:18] <smarter> Xand3r: nop
[21:18]  * Arby browses kde.org
[21:19] <apachelogger> Arby: no
[21:19] <apachelogger> Arby: poke the dirk in #kde-devel
[21:20] <Arby> who is he?
[21:20] <Arby> I usually lurk in channels for weeks before I say anything
[21:20] <apachelogger> opensuse guy and the one who imported the source into kde
[21:20] <Xand3r> smarter: hmm, is it hard to learn it without? but wich package we focus on, not every devel uses bzr
[21:21] <smarter> Xand3r: I think we should use it for every kde4 module(and maybe apps)
[21:21] <Xand3r> smarter: kde uses svn or?
[21:21] <smarter> Xand3r: yes
[21:22] <smarter> and they're probably going to switch to git
[21:22] <Xand3r> so how does it work?
[21:22] <Arby> hmm, doesn't seem to be online right now
[21:23] <Xand3r> smarter: so how we handel it, if we want to use bzr but the upstream uses git or svn?
[21:23] <smarter> Xand3r: we use bzr for packaging(aka, the debian/ dir), what upstream use is irrelevant
[21:23] <Xand3r> we can only use the thing wich the upstream uses
[21:23] <smarter> no
[21:23] <Arby> apachelogger: does dirk==dirk mueller? his e-mail is in the Authors file, I'll mail him
[21:24] <Xand3r> so than i got something wrong with bzr
[21:24] <apachelogger> Arby: aye
[21:24] <Xand3r> i thought bzr is something like svn org git
[21:25] <Xand3r> smarter: could you explain it for me in easy words?
[21:25] <smarter> Xand3r: yes it is
[21:25] <smarter> but, we're going to use bzr for packaging
[21:26] <smarter> we will maintain the debian/ dirs in bzr branches
[21:26] <Xand3r> hä
[21:26] <Xand3r> why this?
[21:26] <smarter> and download the upstream tarballs, so if upstream use svn,git,whatever does not matter
[21:26] <smarter> Xand3r: read the meeting
[21:26] <smarter> I already explained why we should use bzr
[21:26] <Xand3r> smarter: i was there -.-
[21:26] <smarter> then you know why
[21:27] <Xand3r> smarter: hmm i shuld, but i dont
[21:27] <smarter> read the meeting again
[21:27]  * apachelogger pokes Riddell with bug 203349 ... again :P
[21:31] <jpds> apachelogger: Glad to see you got that worked out.
[21:32] <apachelogger> jpds: what did I work out?
[21:32] <jpds> apachelogger: The REVU-upload-eating-thing.
[21:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:33] <apachelogger> well
[21:33] <apachelogger> doesn't matter much, since I lost revu mood
[21:33] <emunkki> apachelogger, so, when will you visit finland :P
[21:34] <apachelogger> when I am president of the KDE e.V. or marketing dude over at canonical or gained world domination :P
[21:34] <apachelogger> I really don't know when
[21:34] <emunkki> >__<
[21:34]  * emunkki throws apachelogger with a cup of finnish coffee
[21:35] <emunkki> no hurry :P
[21:35] <apachelogger> there is always time for a cupoC
[21:36] <emunkki> http://www.suomikauppa.fi/index.php?language=en&cPath=23_55&sort=2a
[21:39] <Xand3r> smarter: i have to use it to know if it is good, so please make a tut, that i can test it easy
[21:39] <smarter> Xand3r: that's what I'm going to do
[21:39] <Xand3r> smarter: thx
[21:42] <Xand3r> so what is with kde3 stuff in intrepid?
[21:43] <Xand3r> i have packaged something but now i recognise it is a kde3 app, was the work use less?
[21:44] <txwikinger> apps that have not been ported yet will be used as kde3 apps
[21:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: did kde-l10n-sl not get catched by the script or did you just not upload it?
[21:44] <Xand3r> txwikinger: ?
[21:45] <txwikinger> Well..kde3 apps work also under kde4
[21:48] <Xand3r> shure
[21:48] <Xand3r> nevermind
[21:52] <Arby> apachelogger: my debian/rules doesn't look like the example http://paste.ubuntu.com/32728/
[21:53] <Arby> I tried to guess where the changes you suggested go
[21:53] <apachelogger> Arby: which example?
[21:53] <Arby> apachelogger: in the packaging guide
[21:53] <apachelogger> lines 2-9 and 11-15 can be killed
[21:53] <apachelogger> line 20 should be cmake ..
[21:54] <apachelogger> it's always cmake <sourcedirectory>
[21:54] <apachelogger> in that case ../
[21:54] <apachelogger> line 41 can be removed
[21:54] <apachelogger> line 42 should be replaced with rm -rf $(CURDIR)/build
[21:55] <apachelogger> line 30 + 32 can go as well
[21:58] <Xand3r> apachelogger: cmake? use the cmake.mk
[21:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: Arby is doing debhelper
[21:59] <Xand3r> ups
[21:59] <Xand3r> sorry
[21:59] <Arby> hmm, I think that's everything
[22:00]  * Arby pokes debuild and hopes
[22:02] <Arby> surprise surprise it fails
[22:03] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/32734/
[22:03] <Arby> apachelogger: does that ^^ mean it needs to build-dep on libhal?
[22:06] <vorian> howdy all
[22:06] <Arby> evening
[22:06] <vorian> :)
[22:06] <smarter> Arby: use http://packages.ubuntu.com to see in which package hal/libhal.h is and add it to the build-deps
[22:07] <smarter> hey vorian
[22:07] <vorian> hello smarter
[22:07] <Xand3r> hey ho vorian
[22:07] <Arby> smarter: I just did the same thing with apt-file but thanks
[22:07] <vorian> smarter: you conviced me to try bzr
[22:07] <vorian> heya Xand3r :)
[22:07] <smarter> vorian: cool :)
[22:07] <Arby> I was just trying to understand _why_ it throws that error
[22:08] <apachelogger> wtf
[22:08] <apachelogger> the kdebase 3 diff.gz is 1.6mib
[22:08] <smarter> we had a lot of patches :P
[22:09] <smarter> and icons too
[22:09] <smarter> xpm and png.uu
[22:09] <Arby> :O it actually built
[22:09] <smarter> Arby: congrats :P
[22:10] <Arby> lintian has had a fit but it's a start :)
[22:12] <vorian> apachelogger: monkeystudio? revu?
[22:12] <apachelogger> yeso
[22:12] <vorian> roger
[22:13] <vorian> DRebellion: I love large builds :P
[22:13] <DRebellion> vorian, 0.o
[22:13] <DRebellion> can't stand them
[22:14] <apachelogger> I need a shell/bash guru!
[22:14]  * apachelogger pokes around
[22:14] <DRebellion> =(
[22:14] <DRebellion> kde 4 epic failed for me
[22:14] <DRebellion> none of the pretty effects worked
[22:14] <apachelogger> DRebellion: get yourself a proper graphics card :P
[22:14] <apachelogger> and get me a shell/bash guru as well
[22:14]  * apachelogger pokes smarter
[22:15] <DRebellion> apachelogger, do they get auto-disabled?
[22:15] <vorian> apachelogger: go to #gentoo :P
[22:15] <apachelogger> DRebellion: graphics cards?
[22:15] <smarter> apachelogger: yes?
[22:15] <DRebellion> no, effects!
[22:15] <apachelogger> vorian: last time I entered that channel they almost ate me
[22:15] <vorian> haha
[22:15] <apachelogger> smarter: do you know a bit about shell and bash?
[22:15] <DRebellion> apachelogger, just ask the question, already!
[22:15] <smarter> apachelogger: yes, but bash sucks, zsh 0wnz
[22:16] <apachelogger> I really think we should reimplement everything in python
[22:16] <apachelogger> anyway
[22:16] <DRebellion> smarter, i would use zsh if i could be bothered to set it up.
[22:16] <apachelogger> if [ "$PRELINKING" == yes ]; then
[22:16] <smarter> DRebellion: they're many good zshrc on the net
[22:16] <Arby> can someone advise what to do about that lot --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/32738/
[22:16] <apachelogger> sh is throwing [: 41: ==: unexpected operator out
[22:16] <apachelogger> question is
[22:16] <smarter> apachelogger: use =
[22:16] <apachelogger> will it work though?
[22:16] <smarter> instead of ==
[22:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:17] <apachelogger> question is
[22:17] <apachelogger> does == work as well
[22:17]  * apachelogger tries to evaluate whether this issue qualifies for SRU
[22:17] <smarter> I don't think so
[22:17] <vorian> JontheEchidna: no cloak yet!
[22:18] <smarter> apachelogger: try with dash -x nameofthescript.sh
[22:18] <smarter> apachelogger: and see what it does
[22:18]  * apachelogger is writing a test script
[22:18] <smarter> Arby: use cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_DIR=/usr
[22:18] <smarter> Arby: or it will install stuff to /usr/local, and that's Bad©
[22:20] <apachelogger> b0rkish
[22:20] <apachelogger> god I hate it
[22:20]  * apachelogger patches the shit out of these stupid patches
[22:20] <smarter> which patch? (:
[22:20] <vorian> :o
[22:20] <apachelogger> prelink for kde3
[22:21]  * apachelogger thinks we really have no QA
[22:21] <apachelogger> ah
[22:21] <apachelogger> # KIO Media LUKS Icons
[22:21] <apachelogger> that raises anger!
[22:21] <apachelogger> this stupid luks patch
[22:21] <apachelogger> grrrrr
[22:21] <smarter> what's the bug?.
[22:22] <apachelogger> my system being laggish
[22:22] <apachelogger> and
[22:22] <apachelogger> bug 179631
[22:23] <apachelogger> "A statement explaining the impact of the bug on users and justification for backporting the fix to the stable release"
[22:23] <apachelogger> it took years to discover that issue, how should I justify that update -.-
[22:23] <apachelogger> bah
[22:24] <smarter> and this is caused by an ubuntu patch?
[22:24] <apachelogger> yes
[22:25] <apachelogger> one of the 7 billion we applied on kdebase
[22:25] <Arby> smarter: sorry I don't understand. where in rules  do I put cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL...
[22:25] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what is rule #1 of packaging?
[22:25] <apachelogger> Arby: cmake .. -DCMAKE_I....
[22:25] <smarter> Arby: instead of just cmake ../
[22:25] <apachelogger> that should be in the confiugre target I guess ;-)
[22:26] <smarter> apachelogger: there's no such thing as a configure target for plain debhelper :P
[22:26] <smarter> Arby: why don't you use cdbs?
[22:26] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i forgot it
[22:26] <Arby> smarter: because I want to learn how it works underneath first
[22:27] <smarter> ok
[22:27] <apachelogger> Xand3r: that makes you a perfect candidate for work on kdebase apparently -.-
[22:27] <Arby> then I can use the automagic :)
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I know :(
[22:27] <Xand3r> Xand3r: me kdebase?
[22:27] <Xand3r> you know my upstream power
[22:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what is the first rule?
[22:29] <Arby> rules currently looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/32741/
[22:29] <Arby> and I still get the same lintian errors
[22:29] <Nightrose> Xand3r: #1: patches are bad!
[22:29] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:29] <Xand3r> ah right
[22:30] <vorian> JontheEchidna: might be worth asking again
[22:30]  * Nightrose tries to remember the other rules
[22:30] <Xand3r> Nightrose: no chance i forgot everything
[22:31] <Nightrose> Xand3r: write it down then ;-)
[22:31] <Xand3r> #2 exept the patches comes from upstream, but they still stay mean?
[22:31] <Xand3r> i think
[22:33] <Arby> oh wait I think I see
[22:34] <Arby> no, apparently I don't
[22:35] <apachelogger> Arby: which errors?
[22:36] <Arby> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32738/
[22:36] <apachelogger> well
[22:36] <apachelogger> wrong argument
[22:36] <apachelogger> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[22:37] <Arby> I'm blaming smarter for that one [22:18] <smarter> Arby: use cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_DIR=/usr
[22:37] <Arby> :)
[22:38] <apachelogger> blaming++
[22:38]  * apachelogger hands Arby a cookie
[22:38] <Arby> nom nom
[22:39] <Arby> that gets me down to http://paste.ubuntu.com/32745/
[22:39] <Arby> the copyright stuff is the missing license file
[22:39]  * JontheEchidna has cloak ^_^
[22:40] <Arby> which I'm waiting for a reply on
[22:41] <vorian> shiny
[22:41] <vorian> :)
[22:42] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: oooh, nice shiny new cloak :D
[22:44] <Arby> this seems to come from debian/dirs W: kio-sysinfo: package-contains-empty-directory usr/bin/
[22:44] <Arby> does that mean debian/dirs is not required?
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: :D
[22:44] <apachelogger> hm, do I has a cloak?
[22:44] <vorian> usually not Arby
[22:44] <apachelogger> and is it as shiny as JontheEchidna's?
[22:45] <vorian> haha
[22:45] <Arby> vorian: it doesn't mean that or debian/dirs is not required?
[22:45] <Arby> I thnk you mean the latter
[22:45] <jussi01> apachelogger: his is shiny and new...
[22:45] <vorian> apachelogger: you rokymotion, you
[22:45] <apachelogger> uh
[22:45] <apachelogger> that needs to be changed
[22:45] <apachelogger> how to get that changed?
[22:45] <vorian> apachelogger: to what?
[22:45] <vorian> ;-)
[22:46] <apachelogger> batcave/apachelogger
[22:46] <apachelogger> dunno
[22:46] <apachelogger> something else at least
[22:46] <vorian> unaffiliated?
[22:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: you are an ubuntu member, get ubuntu/apachelogger
[22:46] <apachelogger> vorian: that sounds lam0rish
[22:46] <apachelogger> hm
[22:46] <apachelogger> can one get a kubuntu/apachelogger?
[22:47] <jussi01> Id imagine so - vorian?
[22:47] <vorian> apachelogger: nope, kubuntu falls under the *ubuntu namespace
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> yay, revu unborked itself
[22:47] <apachelogger> bah
[22:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does KDE sell cloaks?
[22:47] <Riddell> it doesn't, it's registered separately
[22:47] <vorian> the powers that be say all *ubuntu shall be ubuntu/member
[22:47] <jussi01> vorian: but he is a ubuntu member - should he not be able to get it?
[22:48] <jussi01> oh
[22:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, talk to njaard
[22:48] <vorian> jussi01: he can get a ubuntu/member
[22:48]  * jussi01 goes back to learning guitar...
[22:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: as Riddell said - talk to njard
[22:48] <Arby> W: kio-sysinfo: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/kde4/kfmclient_sysinfo.desktop kfmclient <- does that mean the .desktop file is broken/missing?
[22:50] <apachelogger> Arby: you should depend on the package including kfmclient
[22:50] <apachelogger> other than that you can ignore the error
[22:50] <Arby> ok
[22:51] <smarter> Arby: launch lintian with -Ii
[22:51] <smarter> to get more infos
[22:51] <Arby> how do I launch lintian independent of debuild?
[22:51] <Arby> or can I pass linitian arguments to debuild
[22:51] <Riddell> "lintian" :)
[22:51] <Arby> yes quite
[22:51] <Riddell> lintian *dsc  or *deb
[22:52] <smarter> or *changes
[22:52] <smarter> one of them contains more info, I never know which :P
[22:52]  * Arby tries them all
[22:54] <vorian> the binary lintian
[22:54] <vorian> run lintian -Ii yourpackage_version_arch.deb
[22:55] <apachelogger> they actually contain different info :P
[22:55] <vorian> werd
[22:57] <Arby> apt-file search kfmclient returns a lot of stuff. is the answer konqueror-kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kfmclient
[22:59] <apachelogger> Arby: yes
[22:59] <Arby> hooray
[23:00] <Xand3r> hey may be some one could advocate my packages
[23:00] <Xand3r> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4
[23:00] <Xand3r> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=rubberband
[23:00] <Xand3r> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=arora
[23:01] <Xand3r> that would be realy nice
[23:05] <SolarWar> hey Xand3r
[23:06] <Xand3r> hey SolarWar
[23:06] <Riddell> Xand3r: what's new in arora?
[23:06] <SolarWar> you were originally assigned to package Qlix, which is in revu now :)
[23:07] <Xand3r> i passed to some one else are you the one?
[23:07] <SolarWar> yep
[23:07] <Xand3r> Riddell: it is the git version, so much bugfixes are done
[23:09] <Xand3r> Riddell: i see it is already in intrepid
[23:10] <Xand3r> why the bug is still open?
[23:10] <Xand3r> gnaa
[23:10] <Xand3r> wasting time
[23:10] <Xand3r> i like it
[23:12] <Xand3r> So i go to bed folks
[23:12] <Xand3r> nini apachelogger Nightrose Riddell smarter vorian
[23:13] <Riddell> night Xand3r
[23:21] <jtechidna> Are we using the KDE default KDM theme for Intrepid?
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> oh well, we don't have anything for it right now anyway
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> so I'll just comment it out of the makefile for now
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> Why is it called cmake?
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> Is it colored-make?
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> :p
[23:28] <Riddell> cross platform make
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> aah, makes sense
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> the colors are nice though
[23:37]  * Arby is confused
[23:37] <Arby> I still get W: kio-sysinfo: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/kde4/kfmclient_sysinfo.desktop kfmclient
[23:38] <Arby> but I have a dependency on konqueror set and have it installed
[23:38] <Arby> based on the result of apt-file search kfmclient
[23:38] <Riddell> Arby: just lintian being silly I expect
[23:38] <Arby> seems to be good at that
[23:39] <mornfall> Re.
[23:39] <Arby> Riddell: the remaining lintian errors I have are http://paste.ubuntu.com/32763/
[23:40] <Arby> apart from the copyright stuff what do I need to care about
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> What is uiserver?
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> and is the kde4 equivalent named differently?
[23:44] <Arby> oh, two more fixed, down to copyright and desktop-command-not-in-package
[23:45] <Arby> is it possible to launch gui apps from inside a chroot
[23:45] <Arby> ?
[23:46] <Riddell> Arby: none of those look important
[23:46] <Riddell> Arby: yes
[23:46] <apachelogger> http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=181
[23:46] <apachelogger> muahahah
[23:46] <Arby> thank god for that
[23:46] <Riddell> mount -t none -o bind /tmp chroot/tmp
[23:46] <Riddell> same for proc and dev
[23:46] <Riddell> xhost +
[23:46] <Riddell> then you can use X from the chroot
[23:47] <Arby> should those be added to a conf file somewhere
[23:47] <Arby> and do I run them from inside or outside the chroot
[23:48] <Arby> ?
[23:48] <Riddell> Arby: outside
[23:56] <Arby> apachelogger: Riddell: kio_sysinfo currently looks like this
[23:56] <Arby> http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7496/currentsysinfoom2.jpg
[23:57] <Arby> now just need to fix it to not think it's on suse
[23:57] <Arby> but at least it builds and is installable
[23:57] <Arby> and runs
[23:57] <apachelogger> I like
[23:58] <Arby> a job for tomorrow I think
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> sexeh