[00:17] <ForzaPalermo> what is the default meta key?
[00:18] <Dragnslcr> I believe it's 'alt'
[00:20] <ForzaPalermo> doesnt seem to work :(
[00:22] <dwidmann> meta is probably the one with the logo or such on ti
[00:22] <crimsun> that's super.
[00:22] <ForzaPalermo> cant get it to work with either
[00:23] <dwidmann> ForzaPalermo: try both alts, both controls, maybe?
[00:23] <ForzaPalermo> na :(
[00:25] <dnial> Should I be able to run kubuntu livecd with 128 meg ram?
[00:26] <dwidmann> crimsun: but it is sometimes still referred to as meta ... ie: pull up a kde4 apps shortcut conf window and it will call that meta
[00:26] <crimsun> they're both metas.  the distinction is newish.
[00:27] <ForzaPalermo> where is hte kde4 apps shortcut conf window
[00:28] <dwidmann> ForzaPalermo: most kde4 apps have a settings -> configure shortcuts (same goes for kde3, but they'll call the "logo key" "win", at least for me.
[00:29] <ForzaPalermo> dwidmann, ok found it, but it just says meta
[00:29] <ForzaPalermo> not what key it is
[00:30] <dwidmann> if you want to have something to play with to find your one true meta key, fire up a konsole, and run "xev" and start pushing buttons
[00:34] <Walzmyn> Is there a way to make the task bar ignore a particular program?
[00:34] <ForzaPalermo> tried them all
[00:34] <ForzaPalermo> no meta
[00:47] <Matraca> hum
[01:12] <byteme_> hi all
[01:13] <byteme_> I'm trying to install 8.04 on an HP pre'SORRY'o and I get a kernel panic io aspi timer error
[01:13] <byteme_> can I get around that?
[01:15] <woddf2> Hello
[01:15] <woddf2> KDE 4.1 crashes after login!
[01:16] <Adun> how to get my cool ubuntu ultimate edition loading bar or my ubuntu loading bar back after I install kde?
[01:16] <Adun> its a kidnapping of my loading bar kde did
[01:16] <woddf2> Oh wait...
[01:16] <Adun> it replaced them with kubuntu bars
[01:19] <byteme_> I'm trying to install 8.04 on an HP pre'SORRY'o and I get a kernel panic io aspi timer error
[01:19] <byteme_> can I get around that?
[01:21] <Adun> ask #ubuntu
[01:21] <Adun> more people there
[01:22] <byteme_> thanks I think everyones asleep here
[01:30] <firecrotch> Does anyone know how I can change the Kubuntu desktop background image from the command line?
[01:31] <PhilRod> no, but wait a minute and I'll find out
[01:31] <PhilRod> in fact, wait two minutes, and I'll teach *you* how to find out
[01:31] <PhilRod> firecrotch: oh wait, kde 3?
[01:31] <firecrotch> yes, kde3
[01:32] <firecrotch> I looked on google, couldnt make sense of anything... been a while since I've touched linux in general
[01:32] <PhilRod> right, then let's begin
[01:33] <firecrotch> Alright :)
[01:33] <byteme_> I'm trying to install 8.04 on an HP pre'SORRY'o and I get a kernel panic io aspi timer error
[01:35] <byteme_> can I get around that?
[01:35] <PhilRod> firecrotch: help:/khelpcenter/userguide/scripting-the-desktop.html - put that in konqueror
[01:36] <PhilRod> that's a general guide
[01:36] <firecrotch> PhilRod: Is there an online copy of that anywhere? Not on the linux machine right now
[01:37] <PhilRod> firecrotch: yup: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/scripting-the-desktop.html
[01:37] <PhilRod> (would've linked to it first, but my wifi is having issues)
[01:37] <firecrotch> Thank you very much
[01:37] <miraclemaxim> that was a great lesson you gave!
[01:38] <Adun> how do you change the kubuntu loading bar?
[01:38] <Adun> for another?
[01:38] <Adun> the one it erased by installing kde
[01:39] <PhilRod> miraclemaxim: well, I kinda did give the lesson, since I wrote that documentation :-)
[01:39] <PhilRod> Adun: you mean the one shown on system startup?
[01:39] <PhilRod> or on logging in?
[01:40] <miraclemaxim> byteme, you may have a foxconn mobo that could be part of the problem
[01:41] <byteme_> bummer... not compatible?
[01:42] <miraclemaxim> i don't know if hp's use foxconn boards
[01:42] <miraclemaxim> http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/604521/foxconn-sabotages-bios-to-stop-linux-running.html
[01:43] <byteme_> rc410-m  I'm checking on it now
[01:44] <byteme_> MSI
[01:46] <PhilRod> Adun: anyway, if you mean the one shown on system startup, google for "usplash"
[01:46] <Adun> kk
[01:46] <Jucato> !usplash
[01:49]  * PhilRod considers hacking that to get custom artwork
[01:49] <PhilRod> although my artistic skills are sufficiently lacking that I'd just end up with something horrific
[01:50] <PhilRod> hehe, the win95 boot screen
[01:58] <leba__> Why the Kubuntu installation doesn't read my disk partitions ?
[02:02] <leba__> Do I have to have the disk partitions in linux format in order to the kubuntu installer identify it ?
[02:08] <chrisinajar_> in kde4, how do i change my mouse sensitivity?
[02:31] <Innopeor> How i can install kde 4.1 in gutsy?
[02:31] <chrisinajar_> Innopeor: from source :-P
[02:32] <chrisinajar_> in kde4, how do i change my mouse sensitivity?
[02:32] <flaccid_> chrisinajar_: wrong channel, see topic
[02:33] <Innopeor> chrisinajar, deb packages alternatives? :-)
[02:35] <chrisinajar_> bah, that gets me every time
[02:35] <chrisinajar_> thanks flaccid_
[02:35] <flaccid_> np
[02:36] <nuxil> kubuntu should be kubuntu-kde3 and kubuntu-kde4 to kubuntu :P si much kde4 question in here :p
[02:36] <flaccid> it'll change when intrepid is out
[02:36] <bdizzle> hey, how do I install a .bin file?
[02:37] <flaccid> bdizzle: goto console and do sh /path/to/file.bin
[02:37] <bdizzle> ok
[02:37] <flaccid> you may need sudo if you are installing something
[02:37] <kr00l> hello
[02:37] <nuxil> might need to chmod +x first
[02:37] <kr00l> I need to know what i should go with, kubuntu or ubuntu
[02:37] <flaccid> won't need to if run under sh iirc
[02:37] <bdizzle> is there quick way to have it make an uninstall just in case?
[02:37] <flaccid> kr00l: kubuntu
[02:38] <flaccid> bdizzle: depends on what you are installing. it should say in its documentation
[02:38] <bdizzle> Google Earth
[02:38] <bdizzle> it just gave me the .bin file
[02:38] <flaccid> !googleearth | bdizzle
[02:38] <bdizzle> ah, I didn't know it was in the medibuntu
[02:39] <flaccid> yeah it may not be the full recent version but. check..
[02:39] <flaccid> recent=latest
[02:39] <bdizzle> yeah
[02:39] <nuxil> flaccid, that doesnt change the fact that if the file have a -x it cant be executed. not even with sh ,, if im correct.. thats the way it works for ./file aswell
[02:40] <bdizzle> gotcha, found it in Adept
[02:42] <flaccid> nuxil: if i create file that is just -rw-r--r-- it will execute under sh althought not set, give it a try
[02:43]  * nuxil wounders whats the point in +x then
[02:43] <nuxil> flaccid, that can be exploited :\
[02:43] <flaccid> so you can ./test.sh instead of running it under a shell like sh ./test.sh
[02:43] <flaccid> exploited, how?
[02:44] <nuxil> you can execute a file which is not suppose to be executed
[02:44] <flaccid> nuxil: thats because sh does it. i don't see the exploit/problem
[02:45] <nuxil> i do
[02:45] <flaccid> this is scripts, not compiled binaries thus why its run under sh
[02:45] <flaccid> well it hasn't been a problem and unix is pretty old now
[02:47] <nuxil> flaccid, i have a lot to say about that.. but its a bit offtopic
[02:47] <nuxil> we could arguee for houers :p
[02:47] <flaccid> fari enough
[02:53] <pexi> hi, I have installed kubuntu (kde4.1) in a macbook (intel graphic) but, I can't find the suspend and hibernate buton, how can I make these buttons visibles?
[02:54] <flaccid> pexi: wrong channel, see topic
[02:55] <pexi> ok, thanks
[02:55] <flaccid> np
[02:57] <bradford> what's going on in here?
[02:58] <kbt> i dont now this program. This is a chat
[03:00] <kbt> good bye
[03:00] <dwidmann> kbt: irc = internet relay chat ... konversation is a client for it
[03:03] <bradford> there is not a lot going on in here...
[03:04] <bradford> is anyone logged in?
[03:04] <dwidmann> Considerably fewer than usual by the looks of it, only about 268 people in here right now, most of them idle
[03:04] <bradford> oh
[03:05] <bradford> this is just my first foray into IRC
[03:05] <bradford> I found out about this channel from the ubuntu forums
[03:05] <bradford> so i thought i'd try it out
[03:06] <dwidmann> It's a nice place. Plenty of knowledgable people around if you pop in at the right time, which varies a bit. It tends to be much less busy around this time, this far away from release.
[03:07] <bradford> will KDE 4.1 install on Gutsy?
[03:08] <dwidmann> Ummm, I've no idea if it has been packaged for gutsy or not, one sec while I check
[03:10] <dwidmann> I'm thinking no.
[03:10] <bradford> well that's ok
[03:11] <bradford> I just heard about the release and was wondering if I could install it
[03:11] <bradford> thanks for checking
[03:43] <jimmy51_home> i've just got a creative zen v plus and it's working great with amarok + mtp (gnomad2)
[03:43] <jimmy51_home> i'm going to migrate my mp3 collection to amarok's library (sqllite or whatever)
[03:44] <Jucato> yay
[03:44] <Jucato> :)
[03:44] <bdizzle> heh, its not that har
[03:44] <bdizzle> d
[03:44] <bdizzle> just link it to the folder you have your music in
[03:44] <jimmy51_home> does amarok build and play well enough on windows so i could sync between my work machine (xp pro) and home machine (kubuntu) ?
[03:44] <bdizzle> heck, I'm dual booting and I just have it linked to the My Music folder
[03:44] <jimmy51_home> i'd do that... if it were the same machine
[03:45] <jimmy51_home> i'd like to keep the music collection synced between xp at work and kubuntu at home, using the zen v plus
[03:45] <jimmy51_home> is that feasible?
[03:45] <bdizzle> why does using "scp" clog up so much bandwidth?
[03:46] <nuxil> because you have not set a limit
[03:47] <jimmy51_home> or is there another cross platform media player that will keep a library (id3 tags, album art, etc)
[03:48] <jimmy51_home> what do you guys think?
[03:49] <nuxil> winamp :p
[03:50] <genii> nuxil: I'm tempted to smack you ;)
[03:51] <bdizzle> gah, Google Earth completely froze up my computer
[03:51] <nuxil> i deserve it :p
[03:51] <bdizzle> I feared a BSOD
[03:51] <genii> BSOD = Windows talk!
[03:51] <cadoo> jimmy51_home: even if amarok was working fully on windows that wouldn't mean it would sync all that info
[03:51] <bdizzle> yes, but same effect of cycles being wasted
[03:52] <jimmy51_home> cadoo: if it were syncing the info with the player via MTP, wouldn't it sync playlists, id3 info, album art, etc?
[03:52] <bdizzle> wait, amarok for windows exists? does it work?
[03:53] <nuxil> bdizzle, i about to tell you to check out the -l option with scp.
[03:53] <cadoo> you have to compile it yourself
[03:53] <jimmy51_home> i heard a rumor a while back... haven't tried building it myself though
[03:53] <bdizzle> -l?
[03:53] <nuxil> bdizzle> why does using "scp" clog up so much bandwidth?
[03:53] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:53] <nuxil> but you left
[03:53] <nuxil> hehe
[03:53] <cadoo> jimmy51_home: I'd ask in #amarok
[03:54] <jimmy51_home> hehe, ok
[03:55] <dave14325> kubuntu won't let me into the administrator mode??
[03:55] <nuxil> !sudo
[03:56] <bdizzle> ok, so google earth has crashed twice. I'm uninstalling it
[03:56] <bdizzle> anyway, sorry about that
[03:56] <bdizzle> about the scp -l feature
[03:56] <fiendskull9> I've been using KDE4 for day to day use, and i want to switch back to kde3 now, what is the best and easiest way to install KDE3, and not have the crappy "Random App (KDE3) and Random App (KDE4)" Stuff, but still have KDE4 and KDE3 installed together?
[03:56] <dave14325> in the network settings window
[03:57] <nuxil> bdizzle, look in man scp
[03:57] <nuxil> its all explained there
[03:57] <bdizzle> kk
[03:58] <bdizzle> ah .. interesting
[03:58] <bdizzle> perfect for when I'm at home trying to upload stuff
[03:59] <nuxil> !man | bdizzle
[03:59] <bdizzle> yeah, I read the man page
[03:59] <dave14325> i press the administrator button and it cycles t ot he same screen
[04:00] <dave14325> *to the
[04:00] <fiendskull9> How can I install the KDE3 suite next to KDE4?
[04:00] <nuxil> dave14325, you want to log in as root ?
[04:01] <nuxil> dave14325, dont do that,, use sudo command.. dave14325 if you want to log in as root, you have to make root a password
[04:02] <dave14325> nuxil: no just trying to login to the network administrator window, I click on the administrator button on the bottom and it doesnt ask me for my password???
[04:03] <nuxil> try press ALT F2 and type: kdesu knetworkmanager
[04:04] <dave14325> nuxil: i think it crashed... nothing happens
[04:05] <nuxil> ok try it in console and look at the errors.. but use sudo instead of kdesu
[04:06] <dave14325> nuxil: unable to resolve host
[04:07] <genii> If you've already used sudo a reset of permissions will have to be done before it runs properly again for the regular user
[04:07] <dave14325> nuxil: how do i do that/
[04:08] <nuxil> wait 15 min :p
[04:08] <dave14325> k..:-)
[04:09] <dave14325> nuxil: 15 min ??????
[04:10] <wishie> is there any fix for kaffeine not playing ogg/vorbis audio streams in .mkv videos ? its really frustrating.
[04:13] <fiendskull9> I've just installed kubuntu-desktop, and would like to know how to remove all packages associated with kubuntu-kde4-desktop.
[04:16] <dave14325> nuxil: are you serious?
[04:18] <dave14325> !permissions
[04:20] <wishie> fiendskull9: as for every package, im not too sure.. if you pull out the kdelibs and kdebase for kde4 though, most of the rest will get removed too
[04:21] <genii> dave14325: What is the name of the user which is normally logged in and then I will give you the command for resetting the config files to them.
[04:21] <dave14325> genii: david
[04:22] <genii> dave14325: So in Konsole:   sudo chown -R david:david /home/david/.kde
[04:22] <dave14325> genii: thanks
[04:23] <genii> dave14325: You'r welcome. But remember here in, use kdesu for kde apps to run them for temporary admin. Only use sudo for apps which use just the command line
[04:24] <nuxil> genii, can use sudo on gui apps for debug.
[04:24]  * nuxil had to take a crap
[04:25] <genii> nuxil: Problem is it doesn't know about reverting permissions of config files, rc files and so on back to the user which called sudo when it exits. Whereas kdesu does
[04:29] <dave14325> keeps telling me unknown -R optiion
[04:29] <dave14325> *option
[04:29] <genii> -R means recursive
[04:30] <genii> dave14325: copy and paste from here to Konsole:          sudo chown -R david:david /home/david/.kde
[04:31] <genii> The username has a lowercase d as in david and not an upperc ase
[04:31] <genii> ?
[04:31] <dave14325> im on windows and cant even acess the web on the linux system typing it out
[04:32] <dave14325> genii: i see that
[04:33] <genii> dave14325: make sure like this then:  sudo<SPACE>chown<SPACE>-R<SPACE>david:david<SPACE>/home/david/.kde        <-- note the the period before kde
[04:34] <dave14325> genii: ok
[04:35] <ramon> any girl?
[04:35] <genii> ramon: This is not the channel for trying to find dates
[04:36] <dave14325> genii: "unable to resolve host" again
[04:37] <genii> dave14325: But now knetworkmanager should be able to at least run normally. Does it?
[04:39] <genii> dave14325: Once that happens then we can decide what the core issue might be, like DNS or such
[04:39] <dave14325> genii: it starts, i click on administrator mode, asks me for my password, then cycles back to the same screen
[04:40] <genii> Thats fine
[04:40] <dave14325> genii: ok
[04:40] <genii> dave14325: This is wired or wireless connection?
[04:40] <dave14325> genii: wired
[04:41] <genii> dave14325: OK. You see the knetworkmanager icon as a grey plug thing or as a square icon with small red X in it right now?
[04:43] <genii> ramon: I do not give assistance in private message only in public channel. This is my policy
[04:43] <dave14325> genii: i looking at the network manager window
[04:44] <genii> dave14325: Close the window please and then tell me if in bottom right corner near clock you see either one of the two icons I described.
[04:44] <ramon> ok sorry...
[04:44] <dave14325> genii: ok a grey plug thing
[04:45] <genii> dave14325: OK. This means it is a configured connection. Is it supposed to get an IP automatically from a router or so, or did you manually configure it?
[04:46] <dave14325> genii: i think its dhcp'd
[04:47] <genii> dave14325: Do you know of pastebin service to post text so we can see it on a website?
[04:47] <dave14325> genii: yes
[04:47] <genii> dave14325: To see the contents of your file /etc/network/interfaces is what we need
[04:47] <dave14325> ok, just a sec
[04:47] <genii> ramon: Your web browser cannot use port 80 or so?
[04:48] <ramon> i think yes...why??
[04:49] <genii> ramon: You had asked me some question about ports
[04:49] <ramon> yes...i was asking about some other irc clients
[04:50] <genii> ramon: The standard irc port is 6667    here they prefer 8001
[04:50] <ramon> ahh ok.
[04:50] <ramon> yes i tried to other server that port..but i had problems w/ my nickname...i have to change...but i cant
[04:51] <genii> ramon: Usually the command is like:    /nick newname
[04:51] <dave14325> !paastebin
[04:51] <genii> ramon: If someone already has a password which belongs to the name it will not let you have the name also
[04:51] <genii> !past
[04:51] <dave14325> !pastebin
[04:51] <genii> hehe
[04:52] <rgarcia> so i cannot use that nickname?
[04:52] <genii> rgarcia: Not if someone alse has already made a password for it by registering
[04:53] <dave14325> genii: i cant copy it to pastebin because offline but i can type it in
[04:53] <rgarcia> a guy told me that i must have the same nickname as mine at ther server
[04:55] <genii> dave14325: Basically if there is any entries other than one for the interface called  lo           remove them
[04:55] <[GuS]> hi guys... i am trying to compile Qt4.4 with phonon support (susing qt4.4 repository source) and i have this after make dpkg-buildpackage: /bin/sh: -phonon: not found
[04:56] <genii> dave14325: When the network manager sees something in there for an interface, it thinks they are manually configured and does nothing with them.
[04:56] <dave14325> http://paste.ubuntu.com/32464/
[04:56] <[GuS]> and i think there is a problem with the debian files since if i do make, it start to build
[04:57] <[GuS]> debian rules* i mean
[04:57] <genii> dave14325: In your case remove the last 2 lines regarding address and netmask
[04:57] <dave14325> genii: ok
[04:57] <genii> dave14325: To edit the file from kde, use:   alt-f2      kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[04:58] <dave14325> ok
[05:00] <dave14325> genii: typed that in and nothing happened
[05:01] <genii> dave14325: Have patience please.
[05:01] <dave14325> ok ill try again
[05:01] <dave14325> im calm
[05:01] <genii> Did you click on the "Run" button after that?
[05:01] <dave14325> just a sec
[05:02] <genii> space between kate and /etc/network/interfaces  also :)
[05:04] <dave14325> genii: typed it in three times clicked run and nothing happened
[05:05] <genii> [GuS]: It's not really an issue which qualifies for support since it's not an application which comes bundled with Kubuntu. But regarding makefiles or debian-ifying things they might know in #kubuntu-devel channel
[05:05] <[GuS]> genii: right, thanks
[05:05] <[GuS]> and yes... is related to that...
[05:06] <genii> dave14325: Ok. So then open Konsole and do instead:   sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces         and make the change of removing bottom two lines. Then ctrl-x to exit. Choose Y when asked to save. Hit Enter when asked for filename.
[05:07] <fiendskull9> I just rebooted my Kubuntu box, and it is suddenly freezing at "Configuring network interfaces". And upon rebooting into recovery mode it freezes on "Setting up console font and keymap". Could somebody please help me with a solution (Im booted into a LiveCD right now)
[05:07] <dave14325> o ill try that
[05:07] <dave14325> *ok
[05:07] <genii> dave14325: Just remember the mouse does not work in there, just keyboard :)
[05:08] <genii> fiendskull9: Did it have an unexpected shutoff or quit during an upgrade?
[05:08] <fiendskull9> genii: Nope, just a voluntary reboot.
[05:08] <dave14325> genii: ive dragged and dropped commands in there though if that counts..lol
[05:09] <genii> dave14325: the nano program does not normally know about the mouse however
[05:09] <dave14325> genii: ok
[05:10] <dave14325> wearing out my source button on my monitor..lol
[05:11] <genii> dave14325: Were you successful yet in applying the changes to the file?
[05:11] <dave14325> genii: still getting unable to resolve host
[05:11] <genii> dave14325: Patience :)
[05:12] <dave14325> :-)
[05:13] <dave14325> genii: o im in!!! how do i save the changes?
[05:13] <genii> dave14325: In nano?
[05:14] <dave14325> genii: yes
[05:14] <genii> dave14325: ctrl-x     then Y when asked to save file. Then Enter to choose same file name
[05:15] <dave14325> genii: seemed to work
[05:15] <viper> helo
[05:15] <viper> can anybody help a newbie out?
[05:15] <dave14325> !ask
[05:16] <genii> dave14325: Good. Now right-click on network icon. Choose Manual Configuration. Enter usual password. What interfaces it sees there? Hopefully eth0
[05:17] <viper> Hi I have installed ubuntu on 2 machines. my wife and mine ver 8.04 wife is loving it but she wants to access my printer that is on my machine. how do I network the 2 boxes to share the printer (and files)? i am familiar with windows networking but not ubuntu.
[05:18] <dave14325> genii: nothing happens afterI click on manual installation
[05:19] <dave14325> genii: more patience?
[05:19] <dave14325> :-)
[05:19] <genii> dave14325: Reboot the box
[05:19] <dave14325> genii: ok
[05:19] <genii> Nicely :)
[05:22] <dave14325> genii: lol
[05:23] <dave14325> rebooted with no network icon down by clock
[05:24] <Guest64031> Can i get help installing the new KDE 4.1?
[05:24] <genii> viper: System Settings...Sharing...File Sharing... Administrator Mode...Enable Simple Sharing                    This for files. The printer might be found by her box if you just try to install it
[05:24] <genii> Guest64031: In #kubuntu-kde4
[05:25] <genii> dave14325: Thats OK, we can manually start it
[05:25] <viper> sorry i forgot to mention i am usuing gnome
[05:25] <genii> viper: #ubuntu then please
[05:25] <dave14325> genii: ok
[05:27] <corigo> Any opinions: inetd or xinetd?
[05:27] <genii> corigo: inetd is no more anyhow. So xinetd
[05:31] <corigo> gracias
[05:31] <aib_> what's the fastest way nowadays to get a smörgåsbord of plugins installed for firefox?
[05:32] <genii> The same as the old days
[05:32] <aib_> one by one?
[05:32] <aib_> lame!
[05:32] <[GuS]> anyway... no answer on kubuntu-devel.. but i've fixed
[05:32] <[GuS]> is the symlink of sh to dash the problem..
[05:33] <genii> aib_: Sad but true
[05:33] <dr_Willis> aib_,  i seem to recall some extension archiver extension... :)
[05:33] <genii> [GuS]: Yes that often is an issue for some reason
[05:34] <aib_> dr_Willis, i mean plugins (flash, java etc...) and not extensions
[05:34] <dr_Willis> aib_,  I just write my own little script that installs the various bits i want for a new ubuntu install.
[05:35] <[GuS]> genii: yep.. i saw it many times... but weird, the package source has a patch for that inside the debian rules genii
[05:35] <dr_Willis> kubuntu-restricted-extras grabs a lot of them
[05:35] <[GuS]> but seems is not being applied
[05:35] <[GuS]> *kubuntu_03_use_bash_in_configure.diff
[05:36] <aib_> dr_Willis, i've just installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and it doesn't add any entries to about:plugins in firefox
[05:36] <aib_> maybe someone maintains a handy dandy package selection file for this?
[05:36] <dr_Willis> aib_,  there ubuntu-restricted extras and kubuntu-restricted extras also.
[05:37] <dr_Willis> I dont even rember what all they install.  I was thinking java, flash, and some codecs
[05:37] <aib_> ahh.. the kubuntu guy also has libk3b2-extracodecs libtunepimp5-mp3 libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:38] <genii> aib_: Some of those are in medibuntu
[05:39] <tobe> hey guys having xorg.conf questions when you are ready
[05:40] <dave14325> genii: sory hit the power button by accident..xo
[05:40] <tobe> after installing 8.04.1 my xorg.conf file looks very generic, there are no modules listed and it doesnt look anything like my gutsy xorg.conf
[05:41] <genii> dave14325: Ah. I thought I had stressed "nicely" .... ;)
[05:41] <genii> tobe: Normal
[05:41] <dave14325> :-)
[05:41] <tobe> i am running an older satellite toshiba with ati radeon mobility 7000
[05:42] <dave14325> *bumped
[05:42] <tobe> i understand genii but is there any info i can go read on right now
[05:42] <genii> dave14325: Did it boot all right ?
[05:42] <genii> !laptop
[05:42] <dave14325> genii: yea but with no icon
[05:42] <corigo> Intalling perl?
[05:43] <corigo> (how to)
[05:43] <genii> tobe: PErhaps find your model in the list there for known issues
[05:43] <tobe> thank you i will check that
[05:43] <tobe> is it ok if i stay logged in while searching that area
[05:43] <tobe> in this irc
[05:44] <genii> tobe: Only offensive types get booted from here usually :)
[05:44] <tobe> ok thats good to know,
[05:44] <genii> corigo: add/remove    then look for package called  perl   and install it
[05:44] <tobe> im not scared of cli and i have manners
[05:45] <genii> dave14325: Ok. So to try running it by: alt-2      then:    knetworkmanager
[05:45] <dave14325> genii: k
[05:45] <genii> dave14325: Note there is NOT a kdesu there
[05:45] <dave14325> ok
[05:46] <aib_> medibuntu provided me the acroread firefox plugin
[05:46] <aib_> that was a fair amount of work for a single plugin :( :( :( :(
[05:46] <dave14325> genii: ok got the icon back
[05:47] <tobe> genii this list looks very up to date on the laptop models
[05:47] <corigo> Don't see a perl package
[05:48] <genii> corigo: Then in Konsole:   sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install perl
[05:48] <tobe> would an old working xorg.conf from gutsy work for accerelation for compiz and such
[05:48] <dave14325> genii: went to manual configuration, entered password.................nothing :-(
[05:48] <genii> corigo: Close the graphical package manager first
[05:48] <tobe> sorry take care of dave first
[05:48] <genii> dave14325: Something seems messed with it.
[05:48] <tobe> mine is purely cosmetic
[05:49] <dave14325> tobe: thanks
[05:49] <corigo> some files failed to download 0 updated, 0 installed. etc.
[05:49] <dave14325> genii: reinstall?
[05:49] <kr00l> So i'm not sure if I installed KDE 4.1 or not
[05:49] <dave14325> feels hacked
[05:50] <kr00l> how can i tell if 4.1 is in or not?
[05:50] <genii> dave14325: In Konsole can you do: ping google.com               let it run a few lines if it is successful, then hit ctrl-c to stop it. If it doesn't start pinging google in maybe 30-40 seconds use ctrl-c to halt it also. In either case let me know what it says
[05:50] <dave14325> genii: ok thanks
[05:51] <genii> tobe: Conceivably the old xorg.conf will work. But back up the original in case.
[05:52] <azl> hello... Is there a protocol for asking questions in here?
[05:52] <tobe> inconceivably i did wipe and clean first cuz there was a windows partition
[05:52] <genii> !ask | azl
[05:52] <genii> kr00l: Perhaps ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[05:53] <tobe> but i have tried to run aticonfigure --initial and it says not installed
[05:53] <tobe> run dpkg blah . blah and no luck again
[05:53] <dave14325> genii: ping www.google.com...unknown host www.google.com
[05:53] <genii> dave14325: OK
[05:53] <azl> great. Long time Windows user. I have a NVidia 8800GT with a 6200 alongside. I tried to config the drivers to enable a dual-display. Now I'm in a strict 800x600 environment and can't get out of it. Suggestions?
[05:54] <tobe> might you know of a an area where i can find an xorg.conf that i could piggy back some from
[05:54] <genii> tobe: Not offhand :(
[05:54] <tobe> thats ok
[05:54] <ubuntu_> hi
[05:55] <tobe> do you think if i reinstall gutsy and save the xorg.conf and then install hardy and slap in the old xorg. it might work
[05:56] <genii> tobe: Yes. But convoluted
[05:56] <tobe> totally off topic but the neighbors have a Great Pyrenees Dog and hes taller than chewbacca and looking in my window
[05:56] <dave14325> oops
[05:56] <genii> dave14325: Bumped power plug again?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> I need a little assistance with the installer
[05:57] <tobe> by convoluted you mean that xorg has jumped passed some of these issues my old lappy loves
[05:57] <dave14325> genii: no sorry for thw spam
[05:57] <ForgeAus> how do I know which hard drive (hd0) is?
[05:57] <azl> OK... fixed the resolution issue. Is there any way to restart the display server without killing X (and all running applications)?
[05:57] <dave14325> *links
[05:58] <genii> ForgeAus: for bios and grub (hd0) is first hard drive it finds in the order of looking: ide0master ide0slave ide1master ide1slave           sometimes before ide it is the sata bus but same idea
[05:58] <ForgeAus> I want grub on the boot sector of my SATA drive but theres also an IDE drive there...
[05:59] <genii> ForgeAus: Depends then on if your bios scans sata or ide first
[05:59] <ForgeAus> genii that doesn't help I have both 1 IDE master + 1 SATA drive (and the SATA is the one I want the boot partition on)
[05:59] <ForgeAus> genii: how do I determine that?
[05:59] <genii> ForgeAus: When both exist sata bus is *usually* scanned first
[05:59] <tobe> genii you must get tired after a good session in here :)
[06:00] <genii> tobe: Yes
[06:00] <ForgeAus> ok so SATA will be hd0??? (its set to boot off that drive)
[06:00] <genii> ForgeAus: If it's the boot drive then yup it's definitely it
[06:00] <tobe> genii but very satisfying when you fix a botched install >>>>>>:)
[06:01] <ForgeAus> ok what happens if its not? how do I restore the boot sector of my other drive?
[06:01] <ForgeAus> (I don't want it touched if possible)
[06:01] <genii> azl: alt-f2 kwin --replace
[06:01] <tobe> azl gailed
[06:01] <genii> azl: This is if you are not running compiz
[06:01] <tobe> sorry bailed
[06:01] <genii> tobe: He returned
[06:02] <tobe> and the arkansan can see again lol
[06:02] <azl> thank you genii!
[06:02] <genii> ForgeAus: You installed grub to the drive which is not the one set to boot from?
[06:02] <genii> azl: You're welcome
[06:02] <ForgeAus> (I realize better to not touch it in the first place of course, but  I'm not leaving our estimate of hd0 to chance, this is not my PC and I want it to function as it did before my Kubuntu install later)
[06:02] <ForgeAus> (although I might add a kubuntu option to ntldr if possible)
[06:03] <ForgeAus> genii I havn't installed at all yet
[06:03] <genii> ForgeAus: Then you should not need to do anything to the boot sector of any drive but the one which is hd0
[06:03] <ForgeAus> I'm in the process of doing so, in the ready to install (this is feisty btw - will upgrade it soon) after repartitioning, I clicked advanced and grub says (hd0) is where its going
[06:04] <ForgeAus> genii I agree, but is there something I can do before-hand to make a backup of hd0's boot sector to restore easily if something goes wrong there?
[06:05] <genii> ForgeAus: There IS some dd command which will yank out the MBR and put it to a file. But as to exact command I do not know. It might be found by google
[06:05] <ForgeAus> (note I am booting from the live CD)
[06:05] <ForgeAus> yeah I think its dd
[06:05] <ForgeAus> but I'm not sure how to use it either
[06:06] <ForgeAus> brb, checking #Linux someone there might know
[06:06] <ForgeAus> I think I might, just to be safe put BOTH drives MBR's into a file
[06:06] <genii> dave14325: OK so ping by name does not work. try:    ping 64.233.187.99
[06:06] <genii> dave14325: This is google.com IP
[06:06] <dave14325> ok
[06:07] <tobe> i know that the new kubuntu 8.04 will slightly mess up your xorg.conf but i want my old stuff back
[06:08] <genii> tobe: They are using now some new system where the X settings are preset somewhere earlier. The details I do not know however
[06:08] <dave14325> genii: operation not permitted over and over again
[06:08] <genii> dave14325: Hmm
[06:08] <genii> dave14325: Something is horribly wrong with your box.
[06:09] <dave14325> thats what i thought..:-/
[06:09] <tobe> hey genii if you know a user with my "" presets "" lol let me know
[06:09] <genii> dave14325: Wait. Is this the first username that was made on the computer, or a username which was made afterwards?
[06:09] <corigo> How can I update to KDE 4.1?
[06:10] <dave14325> genii: the only one ive made.. the original
[06:10] <tobe> corigo dont do it yet
[06:10] <genii> tobe: All xorg.conf files are identical now in the way of "Configured Video Device" etc etc
[06:10] <corigo> ok
[06:10] <tobe> ahhh
[06:10] <genii> dave14325: OK. Users made afterwards have to be added into certain groups to allow them to do things...is why I asked
[06:11] <tobe> yes your user groups are very important
[06:11] <dave14325> genii:  i see
[06:11] <tobe> once more off topic
[06:12] <tobe> nancy grace was born of the devil
[06:12] <genii> dave14325: Since this seems to be some deeper issue than just involving knetworkmanager or your network setup, I would recommend a reinstall (if you can stand it)
[06:13] <dave14325> genii: ok thats what i thought, thanks for the extended help
[06:13] <tobe> actually she is the first born of some evil anime demon that destroys the human moral
[06:13] <tobe> you are welcome :)
[06:13] <genii> dave14325: Doing forensics to find exact cause could consume us for more time than just a reinstall. I normally don;t recommend this but in your case, to make an exception.
[06:13] <tobe> sorry all love should go to genii
[06:14] <genii> !helpersnack | genii
[06:14] <tobe> again that giant dog is in my window
[06:14] <dave14325> genii: ok thamks again :-)
[06:14] <genii> dave14325: You're welcome. Sorry not to be of more assistance
[06:14] <tobe> i swear to the norwegian gods its a GIANT DOG 225 lbs
[06:14] <genii> Weird, the bot seems to be offline
[06:14] <genii> !ping
[06:14] <mr---t-> !botsnack
[06:15] <tobe> hey genii
[06:15] <genii> tobe: Yes?
[06:15] <mr---t-> yup
[06:15] <tobe> seriously should i regress to gutsy
[06:15] <genii> tobe: No, Hardy is much better. However certain specific issues like tweaking video are still (as they have always been) problemmatic
[06:15] <tobe> this is an old laptop toshiba satellite S1062
[06:16] <genii> tobe: If it has more than 256 ram Hardy is still a better option if possible
[06:16] <tobe> i upped it to 512 WHOOOO HOO
[06:16] <genii> !ping
[06:16] <tobe> but it has the guts to do what i need
[06:17] <tobe> wardrive anyon
[06:17] <tobe> e
[06:17] <genii> Hmm bot is here but seems not responding
[06:17] <stdin> genii: give it a while to sync
[06:17] <tobe> its sad but i drilled a giant pigtail into my psp and i get like half mile connection lol
[06:17] <genii> stdin: Ah, thanks
[06:18] <tobe> and genii
[06:18] <tobe> for your help tonight which is alot more than most any user gives
[06:18] <tobe> please im me so i may speak to you
[06:18] <genii> I like to help
[06:18] <tobe> privately
[06:19] <ForgeAus> can a liveCD mount NTFS?
[06:19] <genii> ForgeAus: Usually, yes
[06:19] <ForgeAus> thx
[06:19]  * genii hugs ubottu for dear life!
[06:20] <genii> ;)
[06:20] <ForgeAus> hehe
[06:20] <tobe> anyone know how to make a Mac read ReiserFS
[06:20] <ForgeAus> ubotu rox!
[06:20] <tobe> i love UBOTU
[06:21] <tobe> best community ever
[06:21] <administrator_> me too
[06:21] <tobe> i just finished a 16 hour shift
[06:22] <ForgeAus> ahh that worked
[06:22] <tobe> i was trying to be civil but i feel stupid now lol, you guys have a good night, but seriously if you figure how to give me my old video
[06:22] <ForgeAus> got sdb1 (NTFS XP partition mounted)
[06:22] <tobe> stuffs hit me up
[06:23] <ForgeAus> argh its read only!
[06:23] <genii> hehe
[06:23] <ForgeAus> um I need to unmount it and fusemount?
[06:23] <administrator_> where are you from/
[06:24] <genii> ForgeAus: I think it might just need correct mount options. But my ntfs-mounting-fu currently eludes me. stdin may know
[06:25] <ForgeAus> I've done all this (well ntfs mounting anyway) before once I just don't remember how
[06:25] <stdin> ForgeAus: there is limited write support in the ntfs driver, but fuse would be better. use the -t ntfs-3g option
[06:26] <ForgeAus> thanx
[06:26] <dave14325> can i format the disk from the prompt?
[06:26] <ForgeAus> unknown filesystem type  '
[06:26] <genii> dave14325: From livecd prompt?
[06:26] <ForgeAus> ntfs-3g'
[06:27] <ForgeAus> its from a feisty liveCD I guess it doesn't have FUSE installed? or ntfs-3g maybe
[06:27] <stdin> ForgeAus: does /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g exist?
[06:27] <genii> ForgeAus: You can sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[06:27] <dave14325> genii: from inside kubuntu install or should  use ubcd?
[06:28] <genii> dave14325: If from kubuntu installcdrom then go for it
[06:28] <dave14325> genii: ill use gparted
[06:28] <ForgeAus> no theres mount.ntfs-fuse and mount.fuse
[06:28] <ForgeAus> but mount.ntfs-3g
[06:29] <ForgeAus> grr but NO mount.ntfs-3g
[06:29] <stdin> what liveCD is it?
[06:29] <genii> ForgeAus: To reiterate: You can sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g            even if on livecd
[06:29] <ForgeAus> like I said its feisty
[06:30] <ForgeAus> yeah genii I think I just needed to apt-get update first
[06:30] <ForgeAus> wasn't finding ntfs-3g package hehe
[06:30] <ForgeAus> still not I guess I need to enable repositories :(
[06:30] <ForgeAus> I hate how this makes the simple things so difficult!
[06:31] <genii> !info ntfs-3g feisty
[06:31] <genii> ForgeAus: Needs universe enabled, looks like
[06:32] <ForgeAus> I know how to enable universe
[06:32] <ForgeAus> just trying to do so
[06:33] <ForgeAus> then again maybe not? whats going on
[06:33] <ForgeAus> when I use manage repositories it doesn't work, instead updates the package list and dumps me back
[06:33] <ForgeAus> thats weird
[06:35] <genii> ForgeAus: echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list            then try install it again (ntfs-3g) after update
[06:36] <ForgeAus> uh wait, before I do that I'm having troubles using the xserver as root
[06:37] <ForgeAus> apt-get install ntfs-3g
[06:37] <ForgeAus> Reading package lists... Done
[06:37] <ForgeAus> Building dependency tree
[06:37] <ForgeAus> Reading state information... Done
[06:37] <ForgeAus> E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g
[06:37] <ForgeAus> oops sorry wrong paste
[06:37] <flaccid> !pastebin | ForgeAus
[06:37] <ForgeAus> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:37] <ForgeAus> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:37] <flaccid> probably because you are not logged in as root. and you do not use root X anyway
[06:38] <ForgeAus> flaccid I'm using a liveCD... however that is organized...
[06:38] <flaccid> same thing
[06:38] <ForgeAus> its not about ME logging in as root or using a rootX its about how the liveCD is set up... hehe
[06:38] <flaccid> no its not.
[06:38] <ForgeAus> so how do I tell it to use the xserver that is up and running?
[06:39] <ForgeAus> I can sudo to root easily enough
[06:39] <flaccid> what are you trying to do?
[06:39] <ForgeAus> well it'd proably be easier if I could have Adept work
[06:39] <ForgeAus> I managed to run itt, but it wasn't working because of errors from Xserver...
[06:39] <ForgeAus> I guess if I don't fix that kate is going to be just as difficult
[06:39] <flaccid> how did you run it?
[06:39] <ForgeAus> I just used sudo adept_manager
[06:40] <flaccid> thats the incorrect way. use kdesudo adept_manager
[06:40] <Jucato> *cough*
[06:40] <Jucato> sudo --> kdesu or kdesudo
[06:40] <ForgeAus> ahh IC thanx
[06:40] <ForgeAus> I shold have known better
[06:40] <ForgeAus> just not thinking about those extra bits right now... I think
[06:41] <ForgeAus> and its making things difficult.. lol
[06:41] <ForgeAus> much better!
[06:42] <flaccid> !enter | ForgeAus
[06:42] <ForgeAus> lol, ok
[06:43] <ForgeAus> ahh ok, just waiting for that to intsall , shouldn't take long, then I can try mounting again :)
[06:45] <ForgeAus> ok mounted :)
[06:47] <ForgeAus> now all I need is the command to backup the bootsectors...
[06:49] <genii> ForgeAus: I'll google for it as well
[06:51] <genii> ForgeAus: http://www.brunolinux.com/01-First_Things_To_Know/Backing_Up_the_MBR.html
[06:51] <ForgeAus> hehe interesting, same page I was just getting to from a search "backing up MBR's" :)
[06:52] <genii> I used:        dd "MBR"        ... first one
[06:53] <ForgeAus> does it matter if the disk is mounted or not?
[06:53] <genii> better for dd not to be
[06:55] <ForgeAus> doh i just noticed something, I thought the old drive was IDE but its sata too
[06:55] <ForgeAus> sda and sdb
[06:57] <ForgeAus> anyway now they're backed up its no trouble
[06:57] <ForgeAus> all I need to do is try and install :) if it all goes wrong I just need to restore the MBR I copied :)
[06:58] <genii> Yup
[06:59] <ForgeAus> it might help after to have also a copy of grub's MBR so I can be tricky and chainboot that in ntldr so that I can hide it in the boot.ini to boot Linux transparently when I want to
[07:00] <ForgeAus> (I'm putting Linux on my dad's computer for him, he's just worried about it interferring with XP or messing with the boot process adding menu's etc to have additional steps beforehe gets to XP so I'm just making it transparent for him, so at first he won't even know its there :) hehe)
[07:01] <ForgeAus> so if I do an MBR of grub and add it to the boot.ini, have that not show by default (you can use f5 or F8 to go there if you want to) ... that way he can have a transparent way into linux
[07:01] <ForgeAus> and mum can use the computer as normal without even knowing Linux is there!
[07:02] <flaccid> ForgeAus: can you consider 1 line responses?
[07:02] <ForgeAus> flaccid?
[07:02] <flaccid> yes
[07:03] <ForgeAus> I was just explaining what I was trying to do
[07:03] <flaccid> ForgeAus: there can only be 1 mbr used in this case on boot. windows or grub for example
[07:03] <flaccid> ForgeAus: try to do it on one line
[07:03] <ForgeAus> flaccid yes, but if I create a file that is a copy of GRUB's mbr, I can chainboot from ntldr to it
[07:04] <flaccid> yes but that doesn't achieve what you want to do..
[07:04] <ForgeAus> doesn't it?
[07:04] <genii> ForgeAus: Actually I did something tricky like this previously
[07:05] <flaccid> actually it probably does (mostly), but we support grub here. goto ##windows for support on windows mbr/boot
[07:05] <ForgeAus> flaccid I don't need help with the ntldr stuff I Don't think and I wouldn't ask here for it anyway
[07:05] <genii> ForgeAus: In that case we had systems normally booting to win98. When floppy booted, went to hd install of Debian and ran a dd of a file.img backup of clean win98 install back.
[07:06] <ForgeAus> genii, essentially yes same concept, just different OS's and boot loaders...
[07:07] <genii> ForgeAus: Anyhow, it's sound and can be done if wanted.
[07:07] <flaccid> it hurts to read it
[07:07] <genii> flaccid: Hehehe
[07:07] <ForgeAus> flaccid? sorry I didn't intend to cause you pain...
[07:07] <genii> flaccid: They weren't quite ready there for linux, unfortunately....
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I'm just trying to fulfill everyones requirements...
[07:07] <flaccid> if you need help ask, otherwise take it to ot :)
[07:08] <ForgeAus> well I'm not sure if I do or don't right now, just finishing the install process for Kubuntu, I just want to get it right now so I don't mess things up for later, you know?
[07:11] <ForgeAus> after this next question for him is what does he like better, linux or OSX .. hopefully he chooses linux, lots less work that way :)
[07:16] <flaccid> !ot | ForgeAus
[07:21] <psycholic> do i need to add my user to a group to be able to read/write to my hpmedia vault?
[07:22] <psycholic> do i need to add my user to a group to be able to read/write to my hpmedia vault?
[07:22] <flaccid> psycholic: no need to repeat
[07:23] <flaccid> psycholic: is this a mounted drive?
[07:23] <psycholic> i think i can mount it
[07:23] <psycholic> i can ping it ok
[07:23] <psycholic> and i have a link to it "remote share"
[07:23] <flaccid> well i don't know what a hpmedia vault is or how its connected, so i can't answer
[07:24] <psycholic> network
[07:24] <psycholic> its a nas
[07:24] <flaccid> consult your manual
[07:24] <flaccid> i still don't know which protocol etc.
[07:24] <genii> flaccid: It's like one of those WD MyBook things
[07:25] <genii> SMB and CIFS
[07:25] <psycholic> cifs
[07:25] <psycholic> i put a line in my fstab
[07:25] <psycholic> let me check it so you can see it
[07:25] <flaccid> hooray some details :)
[07:25] <flaccid> !mount | psycholic
[07:25] <flaccid> oops
[07:26] <flaccid> !samba | psycholic first link
[07:26] <flaccid> i mount like this in fstab for my nas: //nas/PUBLIC\040DISK\0401       /media/nas-1            cifs    users,credentials=/home/flaccid/.smbcredentials,noauto,exec,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000        0       0
[07:27] <psycholic> /HPMediaVault14/Documents/ /mnt/Vault cifs username=<tkienzle>,password=<******>,uid=<timmy>,rw,umask=00  0   0
[07:28] <flaccid> psycholic: and what is the output of ls -ld /mnt/Vault; mount | grep Vault
[07:28] <flaccid> umask=00 doesn't look right
[07:29] <psycholic> its there is
[07:29] <psycholic> drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 0 2008-07-20 04:26 /mnt/Vault
[07:29] <psycholic> //HPMediaVault14/Documents on /mnt/Vault type cifs (rw,mand)
[07:29] <flaccid> psycholic: what happens when you try to write?
[07:29] <stdin> uid should be an ID not a user-name
[07:29] <psycholic> it says permission denided
[07:30] <flaccid> i assumed <timmy> was replaced with a uid
[07:30] <flaccid> psycholic: in which directory are you trying to write to?
[07:30] <psycholic> Documents
[07:30] <psycholic> whats a uid?
[07:30] <psycholic> !uid
[07:31] <stdin> flaccid: it uses IDs because the device with /etc/passwd on it may not be mounted
[07:31] <flaccid> ls -l on that dir to see. check the perms
[07:31] <flaccid> stdin: i dont need to know that...
[07:31] <stdin> well, you do now anyway
[07:31] <flaccid> why? i already did..
[07:31] <flaccid> oh ok
[07:32] <flaccid> im off
[07:37] <psycholic> i'm not sure but i think the user i created on the nas dod not take
[07:39] <ForgeAus> yup I knew I had reason to worry... guess what? wrong disk
[07:40] <ForgeAus> when I reset it sailed nicely into XP with no grub, no Linux, no Kubuntu, but its installed, just on wrong MBR
[07:40] <ForgeAus> I take it I need to reinstall using (hd1) instead?
[07:41] <ForgeAus> then restore the backup of the MBR?
[07:46] <OutoLumo> ForgeAus, install what?
[07:47] <OutoLumo> ForgeAus, it seems like you only need to re-install grub on the primary disk - or change the booting disk from the BIOS settings...
[07:47] <ForgeAus> Kubuntu
[07:47] <ForgeAus> !grub
[07:48] <ForgeAus> so I use that to do that? I still need to restore the other drives MBR, because right now its got grub on it right?
[07:48] <ForgeAus> (Kubuntu has a habit of getting the wrong HDD on me... lol I'm just glad I took the precaution of backing up the MBR first!)
[07:49] <OutoLumo> ForgeAus, That's a good idea since you don't  need it. On the other hand, you could just configure the grub on that disk to do nothing...
[07:50] <ForgeAus> I think I'll just do a full reinstall, that way I will have 2 grubs, but at least I won't need to discern alternate confusing stuff like hd0 and hd1 from sda and sdb
[07:50] <OutoLumo> ForgeAus, how about the BIOS trick?
[07:50] <ForgeAus> I kinda want to tuck grub as far away as possible... mostly..
[07:51] <OutoLumo> use lilo?-)
[07:51] <ForgeAus> I could just switch drivesin the bios that would load grub, right, I know, but I don't want that... in fact I want to (later) chainload grub from ntldr
[07:52] <ForgeAus> (Ideally having ntldr as both drives primary boot manger like it was would suit, that way I maintain transparency of XP, that way myself and dad can use the F key to go into the menu to chainboot to grub to run linux, and the rest of the PC remains unaffected...)
[07:53] <ForgeAus> so right now i got 1 ntldr and 1 grub (but the wrong ones, I gotta switch that backwards)
[07:57] <OutoLumo> Ok... well that's another issue...
[07:57] <OutoLumo> Sorry, can't help you there :-/
[07:58] <ForgeAus> well first step I think should be getting grub on the right disk
[07:58] <ForgeAus> then I swap the drives over in the bios and fixmbr with windows (thats non-linux stuff of course)... hopefully that fixes that...
[07:59] <ForgeAus> after that dd a bootsect.grb file from in linux, and add a reference to that as an entry in ntldr's boot.ini
[07:59] <ForgeAus> that way both drives retain their ntldr's as default boot manager, and the right one will chainload grub... right???
[08:00] <ForgeAus> before I do any of that better restart into liveCD, can't do much from in XP about all of that :)
[08:08] <OutoLumo> I cannot tell - I don't know ntldr :-/
[08:09] <ForgeAus> I'm not expecting you to...resetting... just still trying to get my head around this :) I think I'm getting it.. slowly
[08:12] <OutoLumo> That's the way to become an expert =)
[08:18] <Grleaf> any software out there to use like yahoo messenger for ubuntu?
[08:20] <OutoLumo> Greyhound, gaim, kopete
[08:20] <OutoLumo> hmh
[08:23] <genii> gaim now is pidgin
[08:24] <genii> ForgeAus: How goes the MBR thing?
[08:34] <spire> anyone awake
[08:34] <Jevsan> yes
[08:34] <pag> spire, just ask – it's more likely that someone will aswer to a support question than to generic "anyone here" ;)
[08:35] <spire> just ask what... ? im only tryin to chat
[08:35] <spire> ;P
[08:35] <pag> !offtopic
[08:35] <spire> gee sorry
[08:36] <spire> where can i get a list of efnet servers?
[08:36] <spire> im using konversation
[08:36] <spire> i cant find them
[08:36] <flaccid> spire: not the place to ask
[08:36] <flaccid> google is a good bet
[08:37] <flaccid> spire: http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers thats how easy it is with google :)
[08:37] <tacoman> has anyone heard any issues with ubiquity freezing the system during install?  I checked quite a few bugs that turned up in google but none seemed to cover my issue
[08:37] <spire> well fuck ill leave then... i cant seem to say the right thing
[08:37] <pag> tacoman, you have enough ram?
[08:37] <tacoman> pag:  4GB
[08:37] <tacoman> it freezes at different points
[08:38] <flaccid> spire: sorry mate. its kubuntu support in this channel
[08:38] <tacoman> sometimes it doesn't fire, sometimes it will go to 33%, once it went to 50%
[08:38] <tacoman> this is before any options are presented, during its initial load
[08:38] <tacoman> it happens with both the standard kubuntu disc and the kde4 disc
[08:39] <tacoman> I was trying to do this through wubi if that helps
[08:52] <greeklegend> ok, kde4 packages from ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4 are broken?
[08:52] <greeklegend> i can't install kwin-kde4
[08:52] <greeklegend> because it depends on libkdecorations4
[08:52] <pag> greeklegend, #kubuntu-kde4 probably knows better ;)
[08:53] <greeklegend> :P righto thanks
[08:57] <rudyerazo> espanol
[08:57] <patrick02> salut$
[08:57] <Jevsan> thanks <pag>, I had the same problem
[08:57] <genii> !es
[08:58] <genii> hi pag
[08:58] <patrick02> y a t'il des français?
[08:58] <ForgeAus> hehe back
[08:58] <ForgeAus> hmmm...
[08:58] <ForgeAus> ok now grub doesn't recognise the kubuntu partition
[08:58] <genii> ForgeAus: Got the MBR thing figured out finally?
[08:58] <genii> Hmm
[08:58] <chairman> help
[08:58] <flaccid> specify error ForgeAus
[08:59] <ForgeAus> hehe genii getting there
[08:59] <genii> !ask | chairman
[08:59] <ForgeAus> flaccid I might not need help yet, I'm goina check it out first... brb..
[08:59] <chairman> i need to conffiggure my kmail
[09:00] <flaccid> chairman: and what is the specific problem?
[09:02] <ForgeAus> restarting...
[09:08] <spike_> well got Kubuntu booting without the livecd :)
[09:08] <ForgeAus> hehe :)
[09:08] <ForgeAus> ok Kubuntu works, now gotta make another copy for bootsect.grb
[09:08] <ForgeAus> for some reason when I was installing it had to be hd1, but in grubs menu.lst had to be hd0 ...
[09:10] <AQ_LIVE> anyone here who's sing skype with kubuntu?u
[09:11] <jussi01> me
[09:11] <AQ_LIVE> which installer pack did you get?
[09:11] <jussi01> !medibuntu
[09:11] <jussi01> from that repo
[09:11] <AQ_LIVE> I can't seem to get it installed with the ubuntu pack
[09:12] <jussi01> AQ_LIVE: try installing from the medibuntu repo
[09:12] <AQ_LIVE> wow I thinks I'll need some helåp with that
[09:12] <jussi01> AQ_LIVE: there is a tutorial on the site
[09:12] <AQ_LIVE> do you know a guide somewhere
[09:12] <jussi01> under repositiry how to
[09:12] <AQ_LIVE> medibuntu.com ??
[09:13] <jussi01> no, medibuntu.org....
[09:13] <AQ_LIVE> great thanks a lot take care
[09:13] <Jevsan> AQ_LIVE i had that problem, for me the problem was that i had the package in a folder with a not english name, after i moved to my home it installed without problem
[09:13] <usamahashimi> today i installed kde-4.1, when i go to system setting > login manager, it does not allow me to change?
[09:13] <jussi01> usamahashimi: please use #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support :)
[09:18] <ForgeAus> hmmm I can't seem to mount /dev/sdb1 :(
[09:22] <ForgeAus> ok umounting it seemed to work
[09:23] <Miles> guise i just installed on a laptop, the livecd worked fine. but x doesn't work
[09:24] <Miles> i think the resolution/regresh is too high, but i don't know what modeline to use
[09:24] <Miles> it's not my computer >.>
[09:24] <Aranel> is anyone here having problems with kwin compositing after package update?
[09:24] <ForgeAus> ok now I need to know how to restore the backup MBR images
[09:25] <Miles> dd
[09:26] <chairman> help!
[09:27] <flaccid> !help | chairman
[09:27] <flaccid> oops
[09:27]  * flaccid hands chairman a lifesaver
[09:28] <chairman> i need help w my kmail
[09:28] <ForgeAus> heheh crossing fingers :)... this should work! ... I should boot up into XP smoothly... (but have the option to go to boot menu and select kubuntu)
[09:28] <flaccid> chairman: what in particular?
[09:28]  * Heller tests
[09:29] <chairman> conffiguring my gmail account w/Kmail
[09:30] <flaccid> chairman: google returns lots of results
[09:31] <chairman> i don't copy
[09:32] <flaccid> chairman: search google: kmail gmail
[09:34] <Jevsan> chairman this is for gmail IMAP https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78799&topic=12920
[09:34] <Jevsan> and this for POP https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287&topic=12917
[09:34] <Jevsan> thats all
[09:35] <flaccid> this as well: http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/11/howto-configuring-kmail-with-gmail-imap-and-disconnected-imap/
[09:38] <Aranel> How can I start an application in other language ? for example In Turkish KDE I want to start system settings app in English ?
[09:41] <PhilRod> Aranel: KDE_LANG=en systemsettings
[09:42] <Aranel> PhilRod: thanks :)
[09:42] <Aranel> PhilRod: but still starting in Turkish.
[09:43] <PhilRod> try just LANG instead of KDE_LANG
[09:43] <Aranel> PhilRod: tried it too
[09:44] <PhilRod> Aranel: oh wait, in the help menu there's a "switch application language" option
[09:44] <Aranel> PhilRod: help menu?
[09:45] <Aranel> PhilRod: (i'm using kde4 system settings)
[09:47] <PhilRod> ah
[09:47] <PhilRod> not sure about that then
[09:47] <PhilRod> oh, did you try LANG=C ?
[09:48] <Aranel> PhilRod: tried now, and doesnt working.
[09:48] <Aranel> PhilRod: are you using KDE4 ?
[09:48] <PhilRod> not right now, although I have subversion trunk installed
[09:48] <Aranel> PhilRod: but you can open system settings app now?
[09:49] <PhilRod> yeah, just a sec
[09:49] <PhilRod> ah, there is no menu
[09:49] <chairman> how do i import my emails to kmail form my gmails
[09:50] <PhilRod> chairman: you can access your gmail account from kmail using imap
[09:51] <PhilRod> or if you really want to import your mail, use whatever export feature gmail has, and just export to a format that kmail supports (mbox, maildir)
[09:51] <PhilRod> then file->import messages in kmail
[09:51] <chairman> ok i'll try tht
[09:52] <Aranel> PhilRod: can you look at this image (http://imaj.at/45702-46cc) and tell me the english string of "Doğrudan Hazırlama"
[09:57] <ForgeAus> looks like the problem is nobody knows enough about ntldr to fix/use it effectively
[09:57] <ForgeAus> I got the linux stuff sorted out already
[09:57] <ForgeAus> I just have an error saying that it can't find hal.dll which I don't want it to load anyway! ...
[09:58] <ForgeAus> but thats nothing you guys can help with, just keeping you updated lol :)
[10:03] <chairman> what host do i put?
[10:04] <chairman> caan someone automatically do this for me
[10:04] <flaccid> nope
[10:04] <PhilRod> Aranel: "direct rendering"
[10:04] <rasmus> i need help uninstalling parts of the "KDE 4 network module"
[10:05] <chairman> flaccid what host do i use
[10:05] <Aranel> PhilRod: thank you , its really important for me :)
[10:05] <flaccid> chairman: for what?
[10:05] <flaccid> chairman: do yourself a favour and read the links we post you.
[10:05] <chairman> so i can import my emails to Kmail to configgure with it
[10:06] <flaccid> chairman ^^
[10:06] <chairman> i did tht .nothing happened
[10:06] <rasmus> I upgraded to feisty fawn yesterday and unforunatley i got some programes i dont want automaticly installed. Those are for example Kppp, Krdc.
[10:07] <rasmus> If i look for them with adept they are not checked, but they appear in my programes-menu
[10:07] <flaccid> chairman: sounds like you have a user problem
[10:09] <chairman> wrong username?
[10:09] <flaccid> chairman: no, you.
[10:10] <rasmus> is there somebody hwo can help me?
[10:10] <chairman> or can i use the username on my emaail address
[10:10] <PhilRod> chairman: google for "gmail imap" and you'll almost certainly find something relevant
[10:10] <flaccid> chairman: follow this [18:35] <flaccid> this as well: http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/11/howto-configuring-kmail-with-gmail-imap-and-disconnected-imap/
[10:11] <flaccid> PhilRod: we have provided enough links. i think the user has an intellectual limitation
[10:11] <PhilRod> flaccid: ah, ok - I was late to the party
[10:11] <flaccid> yeah
[10:12] <rasmus> Some body got some time left?
[10:12] <chairman> thks flaccid
[10:12] <chairman> appreciate tht
[10:12] <flaccid> np
[10:13] <flaccid> its a good idea to read/listen here :)
[10:13] <chairman> i'm new to the linux world but i love the stability
[10:15] <PhilRod> rasmus: sounds like you have the kdenetwork package installed, which will include all those apps you mentioned
[10:16] <PhilRod> it sounds like what you want is to remove the kdenetwork package and install the apps individually. That only works if individual packages are available though. Not sure if that's the case
[10:24] <staven> How to save a view in konqueror?
[10:25] <rasmus> PhilRod: i won't loose my internetconnection if i do so?
[10:35] <chairman> thks gguys
[10:40] <leba__> why kubuntu installer doesn't recognize my disk partitios ?
[10:50] <Schijnn> I'm trying to install a theme from SVN, and it keeps saying I don't have CMake installed, but I do.
[10:57] <ForgeAus> whats error 22 for grub?
[11:03] <leba__> why kubuntu installer doesn't recognize my disk partitios ?
[11:03] <ForgeAus> uh leba what type are they?
[11:05] <leba__> ForgeAus, all made by windows
[11:06] <ForgeAus> well then kubuntu shouldn't have any trouble
[11:06] <ForgeAus> it should recognise any NTFS or FAT partitions windows makes
[11:06] <ForgeAus> (not sure about Vista tho)
[11:07] <ForgeAus> hey flaccid :) wb
[11:07] <flaccid> thanks
[11:07] <leba__> the file manager and partition tools can recognize it but installer doesn't.
[11:07] <leba__> hey flaccid !
[11:07] <flaccid> hi
[11:08] <ForgeAus> flaccid you wouldn't happen to know what grub error 22 is?
[11:08] <leba__> I got a problem here with kubuntu installer recognizing my disk partitions.
[11:08] <flaccid> ForgeAus: not from memory. bug google will
[11:08] <flaccid> bug=but
[11:08] <TimoX> Leba_, Vista uses NTFS as default, it should recognize. you did remember to check Manual config, and not let Kubuntu install use the entire disk? -asking from hard earnt experience.. =P
[11:08] <ForgeAus> leba, I don't know how to help you I can only suggest you get another copy of the installer and try that?...
[11:09] <flaccid> its possible the partition type is not normal
[11:09] <leba__> flaccid, do you mean the mbr table ?
[11:10] <flaccid> leba__: no the partition type of the partition in question. what does it show as in the installer?
[11:10] <leba__> if my hdd is set to legacy insted of enhances or vice versa coud be it ?
[11:10] <flaccid> i don't know what they are
[11:11] <leba__> flaccid, it shows, manually, just the option to set the hole hdd for linux, ignoring the partitions already made, doesn't even identify it.
[11:11] <leba__> TimoX, ok dude, I won't forget it, ;)
[11:13] <flaccid> leba__: that doesn't make sense. but yeah you can either submit a bug for it or try the alternate cd to see if the installer there can do it (which is probably not likely)
[11:13] <TimoX> how did you change the partition size?
[11:14] <leba__> TimoX, I partionated and formated using windows installer.
[11:16] <DrPlacebo> quick question if i may... when i select the 64 bit version of kubuntu for download, i get a file called AMD64... Im on intel, is that all okay?
[11:17] <PolitikerALT> yes
[11:17] <DrPlacebo> thank you :)
[11:17] <PolitikerALT> AMD was the first one to have 64bits on desktop, so the architecture is called after amd (IMHO)
[11:17] <PolitikerALT> I mean: AFIK
[11:19] <DrPlacebo> okay, thanks PolitikerALT, the selection does say "Intel OR AMD 64 Bit system"... just wasnt sure because of the file name
[11:19] <phil_> hi
[11:19] <phil_> I have installed a package called "adobe flash installer" do I need to do something now to activate it?
[11:22] <TimoX> Leba_, strange, I did it the same way on my previous install, Kubuntu found the partitions without problems. I had to choose Manual partitioning, not Guided or "standard" set up. (ate my Vista partitions with "standard" setup on current install) I did log into Vista before rebooting to install Kubuntu, but that shouldnt matter.
[11:26] <TimoX> phil_, if it installed correctly, it should be activated.
[11:30] <leba__> TimoX, maybe I will try to install kubuntu from inside Vista.
[11:32] <DrPlacebo> if i install kubuntu, how will i get drivers for all my gear? :|
[11:33] <flaccid> DrPlacebo: it will be done automatically for your devices unless they are not supported
[11:35] <DrPlacebo> flaccid, and if they are not? :| then it simply doesnt work?
[11:35] <flaccid> DrPlacebo: yes unless you find 3rd party support
[11:35] <DrPlacebo> aha
[11:35] <flaccid> !hcl | DrPlacebo
[11:35] <DrPlacebo> thank you :)
[11:35] <flaccid> a test of the livecd should be good enough
[11:36] <DrPlacebo> i think i will be dual booting anyways, need to keep XP for certain things...
[11:36] <DrPlacebo> live CD, of course! :)
[11:36] <DrPlacebo> thanks
[11:36] <flaccid> np
[11:37] <sajuuk> hey guys, memory stick wont work in KDE but will work in GNOME, i insert it and nothing happens
[11:37] <Schijnn> I've been trying to install themes from KDE-Look, but I haven't had any success
[11:38] <sajuuk> btw Hardy install
[11:38] <TimoX> How do I see hardware thats proven Not to work with Kubuntu/Linux?
[11:39] <flaccid> TimoX: google might help but other than that i know of no resource
[11:39] <Jucato> Schijnn: what exactly are you trying to install? could you give a link?
[11:39] <TimoX> flaccid, thanks
[11:41] <Dillizar> where can i find MORE info on the mid ubuntu for mobiles ?
[11:41] <Schijnn> This is what I'm trying to install:  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928
[11:41] <mariof> !list
[11:42] <Dillizar> mariof that was for me
[11:43] <mariof> sorry error
[11:43] <mariof> the first use for program.....
[12:04] <Guest29129> how would i enable other apps besides kde only in add and remove
[12:06] <Jucato> Guest29129: there's a drop down list menu at the top letting you choose KDE only, Gnome only, or All, I think
[12:06] <l3d2> yes i see that and all is selected
[12:06] <l3d2>  but all other apps are blacked out
[12:11] <MrKennie> anyone using fail2ban?
[12:11] <MrKennie> seems it only starts after re/installing it
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> holla y'all
[12:39] <thefish> hello
[12:40] <mlLK> is kde for whatever reason somewhat more robust than gnome in handling massive file transfers?
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: messages in what way
[12:43] <thefish> mlLK: i very much doubt it - i don think there will be a difference because of the desktop
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: annoying nick btw
[12:43] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: lol ty
[12:43] <david_> hi sorry to bother you all, but is the 'remix' version of 8.04 the kde4.0 version?
[12:43] <thefish> ActionParsnip: hehe totally, i had to use the mouse :O
[12:43] <david_> or is remix meaning something else?
[12:43] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: but ya, gnome kept freezing up and doing random if nots etc
[12:44] <mlLK> now, w/ kde it's flawless
[12:44] <richard> david_: the remix is the kde4.0 version
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> david_: pretty muh afaik, kde4 is ok but some apps still use kde3
[12:44] <thefish> mlLK: what kind of transfers? windows? ftp?
[12:44] <mlLK> literally 10x faster
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: if kde works for you, use it
[12:44] <mlLK> cross hd transfers
[12:44] <david_> afaik?
[12:44] <mlLK> like taking something from one fs moving it to another fs
[12:45] <richard> david_: afaik = 'as far as i know'
[12:45] <david_> oh sorry my bad
[12:45] <thefish> mlLK: wierd, not experienced that - must be something with dolphin/konq vs nautilus
[12:45] <mlLK> thefish: just local stuff mostly
[12:45] <david_> thanks
[12:45] <richard> no problem
[12:45] <mlLK> thefish: gnome would hang on one file for awhile
[12:46] <thefish> could be a nautilus bug
[12:46] <mlLK> ya
[12:46] <thefish> and ye, your nick is impossible to autocomplete!
[12:46] <mlLK> lol
[12:46] <thefish> whats the 2nd char?
[12:46] <mlLK> l = I
[12:46] <mlLK> i = L
[12:46] <mlLK> l
[12:46] <thefish> ah
[12:46] <mlLK> L lowercase
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: ahh
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: so its MLL
[12:47] <thefish> i was trying pipes
[12:47] <mlLK> MLLK
[12:47] <mlLK> lol
[12:47] <mlLK> yay
[12:47] <thefish> swine
[12:47] <mlLK> i know
[12:47] <mlLK> i guess it'd depend on your character set
[12:48] <mlLK> but this file-transfer ordeal presents a good reason to try kde over gnome
[12:48] <mlLK> is kde easier to develop into?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: so transfer between ntfs-3g and ext3 is slow in gnome?
[12:49] <mlLK> ya i've noticed w/ vbox
[12:49] <david_> does kde 4 run slower on machines than 3.5?
[12:49] <thefish> mlLK: one way around that would be fuse
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> david_: 4 is supposed to be lighter in ram
[12:49] <mlLK> i tried fuse
[12:50] <thefish> david_: im running kde 4.1 here, and its nice and snappy
[12:50] <mlLK> i don't know if i configured it correctly tho
[12:50]  * ActionParsnip runs fluxbox
[12:50] <thefish> david_: no difference i can notice in speed from gnome or kde 3.5x (havent used kde for ages though)
[12:50] <david_> thefish: thats really amazing, since it looks so much better
[12:50] <mlLK> it showed up in df
[12:50] <mlLK> so i guess it was mounted
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> david_: if you dont like it you can always install kde3.5
[12:51] <thefish> david_: totally, really impressive eh - ive been on gnome/ubuntu for ages, but swapped over to kubuntu this morning
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> david_: if it doesnt do what you want, some apps dont fully use kde4 so you may ave kde3.5 installed alongside
[12:51] <thefish> still some annoying things, but in general i really like it
[12:51] <mlLK> still tho, the mouse+keyboard interface wasn't very transperant w/ applications
[12:52] <david_> ActionParsnip: how does that work, do you need to log in/out for them the work?
[12:52] <thefish> david_: it wil just use the libs for what it wants, no need to log off/on afaik
[12:52] <mlLK> would it make sense to run linux server from a laptop if i had a domain hosted elswhere?
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> david_: if you want to switch, yes
[12:53] <thefish> mlLK: as a test server, yes
[12:53] <mlLK> like how many gigs?
[12:53] <david_> thefish: just to use kde 3.5 aps
[12:53] <thefish> mlLK: check out jeos for an amazing server distro
[12:53] <david_> thefish: so i just install kde3.5 alongside 4.1
[12:53] <mlLK> how big is it?
[12:53] <thefish> mlLK: small
[12:53] <mlLK> ::checking::
[12:54] <david_> thefish: how will it know what window manager to log into when kubuntu boots up
[12:54] <thefish> david_: you should be able to choose what "session" you want
[12:55] <david_> thefish: ahh i see
[12:55] <thefish> david_: just choose KDE :) - if you have swapped from gnome/ubuntu, you may want to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" and choose kdm
[12:55] <david_> thefish: thanks
[12:55] <thefish> :)
[12:55] <thefish> anyone here running kubu 8.10? Im having some crashes i want to compare :)
[12:55] <david_> im still on feisty fawn
[12:55] <david_> haha
[12:56] <thefish> david_: do you have a separate /home partition?
[12:56] <david_> i dont want to upgrate until rt61 drivers actually work
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> david_: id do a clean install and restre yur data from backup
[12:56] <david_> im going to install it on vmware
[12:56] <thefish> rt61 wireless?
[12:56] <david_> yeag
[12:56] <mlLK> thefish: wow 100M
[12:56] <thefish> mlLK: told you so ;)
[12:56] <mlLK> thefish: as an iso
[12:56] <david_> thefish: my home partition is on the same as everything else
[12:56] <thefish> mlLK: specifically built for virtualising
[12:57] <mlLK> thefish: i'm all about it.
[12:57] <thefish> david_: next time you do an install, check out having a separate /home - then you can just reinstall the OS, but keep all your settings and data
[12:57] <david_> thefish: i shouldnt really care about rt61 now as i put my server on the lan
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> or have a backup
[12:57] <thefish> mlLK: its very minimal, i love it
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> much easier
[12:58] <david_> thefish: yes that to- i should have thought more about my partitions
[12:58] <mlLK> anyone else hear of this Singularity OS ms is coming out w/.
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: got a link?
[12:58] <david_> ActionParsnip: i havent really found a great linux backup system
[12:58] <thefish> david_: ive used an rt driver here for kismet and it worked fine, that was on 8.04
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> david_: just cron a cp job to run at 5am
[12:58] <mlLK> ycombinator.com search 'microsoft'
[12:58] <mlLK> lol sry so lazy
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> david_: you dont "need" software
[12:59] <mlLK> http://ycombinator.com
[12:59] <thefish> david_: or even better, read up about rsync and hard links
[12:59] <david_> ActionParsnip: haha good call
[12:59] <mlLK> http://www.sdtimes.com/MICROSOFT_S_PLANS_FOR_POST_WINDOWS_OS_REVEALED/About_CLOUDCOMPUTING_and_MOBILEDEVELOPMENT_and_NET_and_SOASAAS_and_SOFTWAREDEVELOPMENT_and_WINDOWS_and_MICROSOFT/32627
[13:00] <Pici> !ot
[13:00] <mlLK> ya ya ActionParsnip asked.
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: doesnt sound new, i dont get it
[13:01] <mlLK> i dunno either; i lost interest like half-way thru
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: accessing distributed apps as well as local apps, isnt that citrix?
[13:02] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: package-management
[13:02] <mlLK> ?
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: sounds like a lot of hot air to me
[13:02] <david_> thefish: does fakeraid work on most onboard raid devices?
[13:02] <mlLK> windows will never play well w/ system clouds
[13:02] <flaccid> take this convo to the ot chan please i don't wanna hear it
[13:03] <mlLK> as soon as vm's really pickup windows will be pointless
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> flaccid: cool man, np
[13:03] <flaccid> mlLK: stop.
[13:03] <flaccid> :)
[13:03] <thefish> david_: no idea mate, i wouldnt bother with those crappy onboard ones though, the built in linux md stuff is *much* better
[13:03] <mlLK> flaccid: go.
[13:03] <richard> does anyone here know anything about kopete's translator plug in?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> richard: i dont use kopete sorry
[13:05] <david_> thefish: linux 'md' ?
[13:05] <thefish> david_: i guess you will want to set up a mirror - with a lot of those onboard ones, if there is a fail, you must shut down, replace, rebuild, and then only power up again. With mdadm, you can do it all while working, and even have fancy stuff like hot spares etc
[13:05] <richard> ActionParsnip: thanks anyway
[13:05] <Barbadillo> hi all
[13:06] <Barbadillo> after a version upgrade my fonts are disapeeared
[13:06] <david_> thefish: im going to set up an ldap/sama server and its the domain controller, but i want to backup the users data nightly. they will be winxp boxes
[13:06] <david_> thefish: i was thinking a raid 5 might be OK as its redundant
[13:07] <Barbadillo> how to reinstall the previously existent fonts?
[13:07] <david_> but maybe something different might be a better idea
[13:07] <thefish> david_: ok, i would not compromise on this, use a good adaptec controller
[13:07] <david_> thefish: yes, i was thinking perhaps that. i dont think i would need rsync in this case as the raid 5 is itself a backup system
[13:08] <david_> thefish: well kindof in that its redundant
[13:08] <thefish> david_: the user data to back up is *from* the xp boxen, or from homes on the samba box?
[13:08] <david_> thefish: you know what i mean
[13:08] <thefish> david_: noooooo
[13:08] <thefish> david_: you *NEED* a separate backup
[13:08] <david_> thefish: if something fails i can just replace a drive though surely
[13:09] <david_> thefish: unless i delete something by accident i guess
[13:09] <thefish> david_: consider: user A makes a doc called important.doc
[13:09] <Barbadillo> now i have a Xgl process that didn't run within the previous version
[13:09] <thefish> david_: user B then opens this, and replaces all text with "Sod you lot, I quit", then saves it
[13:09] <david_> thefish: yes. thats a valid point
[13:09] <thefish> david_: you now have that on all your disks, there is no escape
[13:09] <david_> thefish: what would you suggest?
[13:10] <thefish> david_: another one... a single file becomes corrupted because a user is working on it and the app crashes
[13:10] <david_> thefish: i was considerring having each users mydocuments on the server
[13:10] <thefish> david_: separate storage
[13:11] <thefish> david_: thats a cool plan, remember you can "veto" files on samba as well, ie prevent the buggers saving their entire mp3 collection to your server ;)
[13:11] <david_> it would be great if there was some kind of subversionish solution
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> thefish: or have space quotas
[13:11] <david_> they save it and it makes a new version
[13:11] <david_> not sure if thats possible though
[13:11] <david_> oracle application server maybe
[13:11] <david_> haha
[13:11] <thefish> david_: as for backups, I would invest in some more disks, maybe build another storage server, and then investigate rsync and hard links, this way you can have historical backups with little waste of space
[13:12] <Barbadillo> anyone can help me about reinstalling fonts?
[13:12] <david_> thefish: any easy to understand articles you have read?
[13:12] <mlLK> how does windows server store users?
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> !fonts | Barbadillo
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: in the SAM
[13:13] <mlLK> SAM?
[13:13] <david_> thefish: rsnapshot maybe...
[13:13] <mlLK> that's not Documents\ and\ Settings, is it?
[13:13] <thefish> david_: i should make one, i have just implemented a nice solution at a small architect shop. They have the spare-box backup, with read only shares for 1,2,3,4,5 etc (each day of month), so they can recover files without calling me. Then there are tapes that go offsite in case of EPIC FAIL
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: no thats the user profile
[13:14] <david_> thefish: thefish... love to read it... =]
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/reskit/distrib/dsbg_dat_udnu.mspx?mfr=true
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> but this is offtopic
[13:15] <thefish> david_: ive not heard of rsnapshot, there are so many really good solutions about..
[13:17] <thefish> i get a crash whenever i try to add a widget to the desktop in kubu 8.10, anyone having the same?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> thefish: sorry i use fluxbox
[13:17] <thefish> no worries :)
[13:17] <thefish> ActionParsnip: you had a play with kde 4.1 yet?
[13:18] <mlLK> lol that reads way to complicated
[13:18] <mlLK> especially for what it is; users w/ permissions
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> thefish: yeah, looked too busy. i like minimalist
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> thefish: i have kde apps, but my gui is fluxbox
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> best of both worlds
[13:19] <thefish> cool
[13:19] <thefish> might try that
[13:19] <thefish> i like the kde way of doing things though
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> thefish: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[13:19] <thefish> hehehe
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> then log off, log onto fluxbox session
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> takes seconds
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> you can always sudo apt-get --purge remove fluxbox if you dont like it
[13:21] <ocs> hi.  I had to replace an nvidia video card with a newer one, since the old one is broken. Kubuntu is already installed (I didn't make a backup or reinstalled the operating system), i only changed the video card. Now kde doesn't start, i can access the system only by console. If i execute startx I obtain an error. what should i do in order to make the operating system update to the new card ?
[13:21] <richard> ocs - when you boot, can you choose to boot the recovery version of kubuntu?
[13:21] <thefish> ActionParsnip: i run it on a server or two that gui-users need, i like the eye candy for my laptop :)
[13:21] <mlLK> thefish: whats the smallest gui
[13:21] <ocs> richard: let me check
[13:22] <richard> cheers
[13:22] <thefish> mlLK: flux is pretty small mate
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> ocs: go into xorg.conf and change the driver to vesa
[13:22] <richard> ocs: its on the grub menu just below the normal one usually i think
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> thefish: eyecandy gets in the way, i dont even have wallpaper
[13:22] <thefish> cool, each to their own
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> thefish: indeed
[13:22] <mlLK> !flux
[13:22] <thefish> i like impressing windows fanboys with it :)
[13:22] <thefish> mlLK: fluxbox
[13:22] <mlLK> !tell ubottu rawr
[13:23] <mlLK> !fluxbox
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> thefish: then get compiz and put the vista skin on your windows
[13:23] <mlLK> compiz is crazy
[13:24] <richard> i cant get compiz to work :(
[13:24] <mlLK> on gnome or kde?
[13:24] <richard> kde
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: compiz is a waste of time
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> imho
[13:25] <richard> i think the fact that the PC was free has something to do with it :P
[13:25] <thefish> ActionParsnip: but i dont want to copy windows, i want something better :)
[13:25] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: it is, but it's fun for photoshopers
[13:25] <mlLK> i mean c'mon your desktop can be a cube
[13:25] <mlLK> and you can rotate it
[13:25] <richard> although it does now have a 1.2gh athlon, 768mb ram and a 32mb graphics card
[13:25] <ocs> richard: great.
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> it causes all sorts of issues with outputs to screen too
[13:25] <richard> ocs - is it there?
[13:25] <ocs> richard: but in this way, i'm not using the nvidia driver, right ?
[13:26] <richard> when it boots im not sure what youre using
[13:26] <richard> it just loads into a terminally type thing
[13:26] <richard> but it has an option to fix the x server
[13:26] <richard> that worked for me everytime i switched my two nvidia cards over
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> ocs: personally id change your xorg.conf to use vesa which will make your system boot with nvidia goodness, then work from there
[13:27] <cidco> Anyone have a guess on when new version of alsa would be released for kubuntu?  I have this bug https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3837 and it only affect 1.0.16 which seems to be somewhat old.
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> cidco: we might not have accouts
[13:28] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: can you even imagine how code behind compiz tho; all that math and x, y, z axis
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> can you pastebin the detail
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: its opengl so its not too complex but yeah i can imagine its tuff
[13:28] <ForgeAus> uh what should b the default lines for kernel and initrd for kubuntu feisty ?
[13:28] <cidco> ActionParsnip: you can hit viewonly Guestlogin link at the bottom
[13:28] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: given all it can do
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: each app gets mapped to a graphical space
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: i just dont rate prettys, i click something and i want it to happen, not wait while some effect happens
[13:29] <cidco> The bug has to do with no sound on my lenovo x300 with intel-hd audio
[13:30] <ocs> thnks all
[13:31] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: i think an emacs+compiz project would be cool
[13:31] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: like as an ide
[13:31] <Assurbanipal> hi everyone!
[13:31] <mlLK> Assurbanipal: oye!
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> cidco: http://koo.fi/tech/2008/06/05/lenovo-thinkpad-x300-ubuntu-804-installation-notes/
[13:31] <Assurbanipal> anybody upgraded to kde 4.1 in kubuntu?
[13:31] <ForgeAus> argh I'm in XP I need to find out what lines to put in grub4dos to boot my Kubuntu! but I don't know what goes in kernel and initrd lines
[13:32] <thefish> Assurbanipal: im using it now, but in 8.10
[13:32] <ForgeAus> assurban I am intending to soon
[13:32] <timmytron> wicd or network-manager?
[13:32] <Assurbanipal> thefish, how is it?
[13:32] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: emacs is like the yang to compiz
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs not the text editor?
[13:33] <mlLK> ya the text editor
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: i prefer nano
[13:34] <mlLK> it can be used for so many different things tho
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: or good ol kate
[13:34] <thefish> vi vi vi
[13:34] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: you should give emacs a trial
[13:34] <ForgeAus> its not like I can copy/paste ext filenames from in XP lol
[13:34] <ForgeAus> (unless I install ext2fs driver or that other one) and reset, etc..)
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: nano is very intuitive and comes with a standard install
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: i find vi to be weird but elitists will swear by it
[13:36] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: i love nano too, but you can literally turn emacs into a powerful tool when you setup to what you do
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: edit text files is all id use it for
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: i pretty much chat and browse on my system
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> with a bit of frets of fire / urban terror thrown in
[13:41] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: emacs is borderline terminal: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/chirico/emacs_ref.html
[13:41] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: all you need to know is it's vocabulary
[13:41] <thefish> using emacs may cause your genitalia to explode
[13:41] <mlLK> thefish: mine grew 8ft!
[13:41] <thefish> real men use vim (TM)
[13:41] <david_> pico?
[13:41] <thefish> or vi
[13:42] <mlLK> omg here we go
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> real men use cat with pipes
[13:42] <david_> vi is vim now
[13:42] <david_> copy con
[13:42] <david_> hehe
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> and redirection
[13:42] <thefish> :)
[13:42] <david_> man i remember making bat files with copy con
[13:42] <david_> how crap
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> copy con?
[13:43] <david_> i wonder if you can still use copy con
[13:43] <david_> its a dos thing
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> well yeah ive used dos lots
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> not seen copy con
[13:43] <david_> man youve missed out
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> is it worse than edlin?
[13:43] <david_> hahahaha
[13:43] <ForgeAus> is this right? kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash ???
[13:43] <david_> holy crap balls!
[13:43] <david_> edlin
[13:44] <david_> hahaha
[13:44] <david_> awesom
[13:44] <mlLK> i'm just sayiing emacs is more than editor since it's straight lisp
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> david_: the pain...hey copy con looks ok
[13:44] <mlLK> it can do anything you want it as a long as its a function
[13:45] <mlLK> function being your keystroke
[13:45] <david_> copy con helloworld.txt
[13:45] <david_> hello world
[13:45] <david_> control z
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: i launch firefox3 and pidgin and im away
[13:45] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: rawr!
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: i dont need it :D
[13:45] <thefish> david_: ECHO hello world no?
[13:45] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: i know, and i don't know why i'm attempting to make a case for you to..
[13:45]  * ActionParsnip thinks thefish is being pedantic
[13:45] <david_> yeah
[13:46] <kaminix> Anyone know how to use imagemagick to scale an image to 35% of it's original size?
[13:46] <mlLK> ActionParsnip: stopping
[13:46] <david_> nah
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> mlLK: i can see your passion dude, must be awesome if it fits your needs
[13:46] <david_> type helloworld.txt
[13:46] <david_> hello world
[13:46] <david_> =P
[13:46] <david_> helloworld.bat though
[13:46] <david_> perfect
[13:46] <david_> or maybe
[13:46] <david_> @echo
[13:46] <david_> instead
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> anyone compiled kreigger yet?
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> thats fun
[13:47] <david_> dont want that crazy command echo to show up
[13:47] <thefish> ActionParsnip: wassat?
[13:47] <david_> edlin
[13:47] <david_> wow
[13:47] <david_> ouch@edlin
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> thefish: in windows its a full opengl shooter taking up 8kb
[13:47] <david_> i thought i was in edit heaven after using vi from edlin
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> all textures are mathematically generated
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> its not much of a game but it does what it says on the tin
[13:48] <berto> ciao a tutti
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> weapons, monsters, walls, doors
[13:49] <berto> salut
[13:49] <thefish> http://xkcd.com/378/
[13:50] <cidco> ActionParsnip: Thanks alot sound is now working!
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> cidco: google is your friend
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> cidco: please try to use it
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> cidco: glad its working now
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> does anyone play frets on fire?
[13:51] <cidco> sorry i was using cuil
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> cidco: any good?
[13:51] <cidco> no
[13:51] <cidco> obviously not couldnt find that :)
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> cidco: i tried to get no yesterday, theres some google bods on the team
[13:52] <sea_> Where's firefox's temp folder?
[13:53] <david_> ActionParsnip: isnt cuil.com the gnu google?
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> sea_: ~/.mozilla/firefox/"something".default/Cache
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> david_: no idea, its god awful, i just looked at it
[13:54] <cidco> I think cuil is trying to hard to seperate themselvs from google they need to just copy them. that would be good enough
[13:54] <david_> ActionParsnip: but it indexes more than google- its on their site so it must be tru!
[13:54] <cidco> the images arent realy necesary.
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> sea_: try about :cache in the addy bar
[13:54] <berto> come si fa per entrare  nei canali?
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> !it | berto
[13:55] <sea_> ah
[14:03] <rami> hello all. could someone help me with XChat that comes with latest Ubuntu?
[14:03] <Assurbanipal> hey guys
[14:04] <Assurbanipal> i just installed kde 4.1!
[14:04] <Assurbanipal> the desktop itself looks beautiful, but the programs' interface is ugly
[14:04] <Assurbanipal> why is that?
[14:04] <thefish> Assurbanipal: what program?
[14:05] <thefish> Assurbanipal: you are probably running a gtk app
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: not all apps are kde4 savvy yet
[14:05] <Assurbanipal> mozilla for example
[14:05] <Assurbanipal> firefox
[14:06] <thefish> Assurbanipal: there is an extension to fix that, lemme find it for you...
[14:06] <thefish> Assurbanipal: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[14:07] <thefish> install that ;)
[14:07] <thefish> you need to log in cos is beta still - if you like it, please leave a comment and rate it
[14:07] <rami> seems I should look help for my XChat problem elsewhere. any suggestions?
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> rami: whats your issue?
[14:08] <Assurbanipal> thefish, and what about the rest programs that look ugly? like xchat ?
[14:08] <rami> ActionParsnip: I would need two different idents. Konversation can do this, xchat propably not
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> why do you need 2 idents? if konversation does what you need, i'd use it
[14:10] <rami> i have one psybnc account that requires different ident that im using normally
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> rami: i use pidgin to centralise all chatting to 1 app
[14:10] <thefish> Assurbanipal: try konversation, its very similar
[14:11] <rami> konversation is bit slow and pidgin is bit large. I was wondering is there anyway to have multiple idents under one account
[14:11] <sea_> kopete!
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> rami: not sure sorry man, do you not use any other PM accounts?
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> !info pidgin
[14:12] <jussi01> #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support, thanks :)
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> 1.8mb is ok
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: will that room eventually die?
[14:12] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: that doesnt include libpurple etc
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: when kde4 is the norm
[14:12] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: yes - next release
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> !info libpurple
[14:13] <jussi01> !find purple
[14:13] <rami> thx all, i mean that pidgin and such are universal IM apps, not IRC clients. How about oidentd?
[14:13] <jussi01> !info libpurple0
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> so all in all its about 2.4mb
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> woot
[14:13] <jussi01> rami: try quassel
[14:14] <jussi01> rami: #quassel and quassel-irc.org
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> !irc
[14:14] <rami> thanks jussi and ubottu
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> haha
[14:14] <jussi01> !me
[14:15] <jussi01> :(
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> i love people talking to ubottu
[14:15] <rami> lol. irssi would do the job just fine
[14:15] <rami> oh a bot :P didnt notice
[14:15]  * rami is ashamed
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> rami: indeed
[14:16] <jussi01> :)
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> haha
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> !coffee
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> etc
[14:16] <rami> !google irssi
[14:17] <jussi01> rami: nope, no google plugin, sorry
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> !irssi
[14:17] <rami> !oident
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> !women
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> wow, that was unexpected
[14:18] <rami> http://freshmeat.net/projects/oidentd/ looks suitable too, but never installed or used it
[14:18] <jussi01> !botabuse
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> was expecting that, however
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[14:22] <berto> come si fa ad andare kubuntu.it
[14:22] <jussi01> !it
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> does anyone play frets on fire?
[14:28] <strog_> how can u find out the version of your kubuntu?
[14:28] <strog_> and the graphics card driver
[14:28] <strog_> ?
[14:29] <kozz> strog_: I would use "lsb_release -a" to detect the version of (k)ubuntu
[14:31] <leba__> What am I supposed to do when kubuntu doesn't recognize my disk partitions ?
[14:33] <strog_> and the installed graphics driver?\
[14:35] <strog_> kozz: how can i find out what driver for the graphics are installed?
[14:37] <kozz> strog_: yeah, I wonder what the easiest way to find that is, one option is to look in the X.org logfile (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[14:38] <kozz> not sure if there is any better alternative
[14:39] <Assurbanipal> thefish: ok, i am through konversation now and not xchat
[14:39] <Assurbanipal> thefish: do i have to replace all my progs now in kde 4.1?
[14:39] <leba__> Do I need to pre instantiate the linux partition in order to install it ?
[14:39] <thefish> Assurbanipal: no
[14:39] <thefish> Assurbanipal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-qt-engine-kde4/+bug/193538
[14:40] <thefish> Assurbanipal: read that for some ideas :)
[14:40] <leba__> Why the installer doesn't read windows partitions ?
[14:40] <leba__> !partition | leba__
[14:42] <mike3> Hey guys, what's the difference between kubuntu and kubuntu remix?
[14:43] <kalorin> remix is kde4
[14:43] <kalorin> normal is using kde3
[14:43] <kalorin> remix seems to have most of the kde3 software installed and some stuff that has kde4 versions, you'll have a 4 verison installed as well
[14:43] <kalorin> like kopete and konsole
[14:43] <kalorin> several others
[14:44] <kalorin> kde4 btw rocks uR socks
[14:44] <kalorin> that said
[14:45] <kalorin> if you're not really versed with kubuntu/linux I wouldn't install remix yet
[14:45] <mike3> so kde 4 is installed but along with kde 3 applications
[14:45] <kalorin> it's solid but not quite ready for casual users I think
[14:45] <kalorin> right
[14:45] <kalorin> if there's a 4 app, it'll be installed but also they'll install the 3 apps
[14:45] <kalorin> you can use either of course
[14:46] <kalorin> I like it pretty well but it's on my laptop
[14:46] <kalorin> the new kicker replacement is kind of buggy
[14:46] <kalorin> you can't put it on the side of the screen without the things in it losing all sorts of perspective
[14:47] <kalorin> which sucks because you'd think verticle on the side of the screen would be the most popular way to do things with all the 16:9 screens around that already don't have enough verticle resolution
[14:51] <bryan> #ubuntu-fr
[14:55] <david_> bi folks
[14:55] <arturo-xinerama> hi everyone. I'm reading cool things about the FolderView plasmoid, but I can't find it anywhere on my system
[14:55] <Assurbanipal> thefish: should i uninstall kde 3.5.9? would that be wize?
[14:55] <arturo-xinerama> I even installed the extragear-plasma package but still cn't find it
[14:56] <thefish> Assurbanipal: no need
[14:56] <thefish> Assurbanipal: and some kde apps still need it
[14:56] <Assurbanipal> thefish: i would save some disk space though...
[14:56] <kalorin> is there a kde4.1 remix out yet?
[14:57] <Jucato> arturo-xinerama: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[14:57] <arturo-xinerama> Thanks, my bad
[14:57] <Jucato> kalorin: if you mean a CD, no I don't think so (don't know if we'll even have a cd now)
[14:57] <Jucato> no worries
[14:58] <kalorin> no cd?
[14:58] <kalorin> I've considered doing the "upgrade" to apt-updater
[14:58] <kalorin> but I'm afraid
[14:59] <kalorin> :)
[14:59] <thefish> Assurbanipal: i would not recommend it, but hey give it a shot - i think you will break things thoug :)
[15:00] <engineer> anyone here keen on sed
[15:02] <kalorin> KDE 4.1 Released
[15:02] <kalorin> Submitted on Tue, 2008-07-29
[15:02] <kalorin> KDE 4.1 has been released and packages are available for Kubuntu 8.04, the Hardy Heron. These packages install to /usr/lib/kde4 and can be installed along side your existing KDE 3 installation.
[15:04] <yousef> how come u can't just overwrite kde3
[15:05] <kalorin> jucato, you think the kde4 stuff is ready enough to use on a daily basis as your main workstation?
[15:05] <Jucato> kalorin: for *me* it has been since april :)
[15:05] <Jucato> YMMV of course
[15:05] <Jucato> kalorin: and #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 help and discussion :)
[15:05] <kalorin> right
[15:06] <kalorin> I was using it 2 months ago on my laptop but found it frustrating at times
[15:06] <kalorin> ie. take the start menu and try to put it on the left side of the screen and watch it become unusable
[15:06] <kalorin> I'll update the laptop tonight and re-eval
[15:07] <Jucato> well I almost never use the k menu :)
[15:08] <kalorin> i was hoping to have it on a right click mouse context type menu
[15:08] <kalorin> I LOVE some of the desktop shortcuts that it has
[15:08] <kalorin> simply amazing
[15:18] <Jckl> i am tring to install synce-trayicon and getting an error when i type make.
[15:18] <Jckl> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[15:19] <leba__> Is there a way to install kubuntu in a given partition or it has to be intalled into primary partition ?
[15:19] <yousef> ya it lets you choose the partition
[15:20] <leba__> yousef, do I have to have the partition I intend to install into it already formated or something ?
[15:21] <yousef> yeah, use gparted partition editor livecd
[15:21] <yousef> make 2 partitions one in ext-3 for kubuntu
[15:21] <yousef> and a small swapfile
[15:22] <yousef> find gparted and burn to cd
[15:22] <yousef> then boot with it
[15:23] <leba__> yousef, swap has to be whicj size more or less ? and which format ext-3 also ?
[15:23] <yousef> no it will say swapfile has its own format
[15:23] <yousef> the swapfile is usually around a gig in size
[15:23] <leba__> yousef, and how about the windows partitions ?
[15:24] <yousef> you keep them
[15:24] <leba__> yousef, ok, let me try it. Thank you by now ;)
[15:24] <emilsedgh> !leet
[15:24] <yousef> when u use gparted it will let you covert some of the empty windows partition into ext-3 or wtv u want
[15:24] <yousef> bye
[15:28] <trappist> <3 ubottu
[15:29] <spud_> ok big problem...  i just deleted my desktop
[15:29] <spud_> on accident of course
[15:29] <yousef> ubluntu <\\\\\\\>
[15:30] <trappist> spud_: ouch, thank goodness for backups, right?
[15:30] <spud_> umm... sure whatever
[15:30] <spud_> what's the command to open trash
[15:30] <yousef> lol
[15:31] <spud_> im hoping if i can just click some magic undo button and ya
[15:31] <spud_> presto change-o
[15:32] <yousef> were u serious
[15:32] <yousef> how do u delete ur desktop?
[15:33] <spud_> there were two icons in my little desktop box thing and i just dragged over em
[15:33] <spud_> pressed delete and said ok
[15:33] <spud_> i guess i dragged two far
[15:33]  * spud_ facepalms
[15:33] <spud_> too*
[15:34] <yousef> shit
[15:34] <yousef> i dont know why it would even let u do that
[15:34] <trappist> yousef: language please
[15:34] <spud_> although that is a serious bug
[15:35] <trappist> linux isn't real big on protecting you from yourself.  it's more of a design philosophy than a bug.
[15:36] <spud_> ok,  so i found trash but theres just the two files and no "restore files" button
[15:36] <spud_> gnome has it...
[15:37] <yousef> you're in the trash
[15:37] <spud_> im looking at it in dolphin
[15:38] <yousef> u can't just right click>restore?
[15:38] <spud_> there were only two files in there
[15:38] <spud_> i just restored them
[15:38] <yousef> ok so, problem solved?
[15:38] <spud_> they are gone but my desktop is still gon
[15:39] <yousef> lol exactly what do u see on ur screen
[15:39] <spud_> blackness, chatzilla dolphin and kopete
[15:40] <yousef> did u try rebooting
[15:40] <spud_> no, i'm scared
[15:40] <yousef> lol
[15:40] <yousef> kubuntu right
[15:40] <spud_> ya
[15:41] <spud_> restarting x doesn't save anything about the session right.  i think that might be my best option
[15:41] <yousef> type
[15:41] <yousef> katapult
[15:41] <yousef> in command
[15:42] <spud_> i don't have that installed
[15:42] <yousef> fail
[15:42] <spud_> i just created a user and installed kde 4 for this user cuz i'm curious
[15:42] <yousef> you sure its not installed?
[15:43] <yousef> it is by default
[15:43] <jussi01> spud_: #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support :)
[15:43] <spud_> ty
[15:43] <jussi01> np
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:46] <Barbadillo> help! my dist-upgrade hangs at
[15:46] <Barbadillo> Generating locales...
[15:46] <Barbadillo>   en_AU.UTF-8...
[15:47] <Barbadillo> i don't even want the australian locale
[15:47] <Barbadillo> 91.8  3.5  35:51.15 localedef
[15:48] <Barbadillo> 90% cpu???
[15:51] <Barbadillo> help me please
[15:51] <Barbadillo> how can i get rid of generating locales?
[15:53] <trappist> Barbadillo: sudo apt-get install localepurge
[15:54] <trappist> actually I don't think that'll prevent it
[15:56] <Pici> Barbadillo: take a look at bug 249340
[16:03] <Barbadillo> ok thank you all, it's going on
[16:09] <maeva> how can I minimize programs to my taskbar in KDE 4.1 ?
[16:16] <Lupus-SLE> Hey, i have a bit of an odd/easy question maybe... how do I type 'e' with an accept
[16:16] <Lupus-SLE> accent*
[16:16] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: u mean accents as in french language?
[16:17] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: accents,graves,cedillas etc?
[16:17] <Lupus-SLE> Sort of...
[16:17] <Lupus-SLE> Well yes they're the same
[16:17] <Lupus-SLE> I'll go find one to paste here
[16:17] <Lupus-SLE> é
[16:18] <Lupus-SLE> Like Café
[16:18] <putin> how do i save my current session?
[16:18] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: i get it
[16:18] <putin> i need to reboot to add ram
[16:18] <putin> and i don't want to have to fiddle with all my widgets etc again
[16:18] <Lupus-SLE> putin: Hibernate I think does that for you.
[16:19] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: what is your keyboard setup? which country is it set to?
[16:19] <Lupus-SLE> abhishek: UK-GB
[16:19] <putin> !hibernate
[16:19] <putin> hmm
[16:19] <Lupus-SLE> !session
[16:19] <Lupus-SLE> Have fun putin
[16:20] <putin> i don't see a "save session"
[16:20] <putin> is this a kde4 problem?
[16:20] <Lupus-SLE> putin: It's likely
[16:20] <Lupus-SLE> putin: Are you on kde 4.1 ?
[16:20] <putin> i believe so
[16:21] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: have you tried changing it to international ?
[16:21] <Lupus-SLE> Why would I want to do that?
[16:21] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: i know in international there is ashortcut for graves and accents ...i don't remember the shortcut ..i guess its ctrl + e
[16:21] <Lupus-SLE> Then I wouldn't have the keys in the right place.
[16:22] <Lupus-SLE> I can use alt-gr for things like € (4) and ` (|) ¹²³€½¾{
[16:22] <Lupus-SLE> Doesn't work for 'e'
[16:23] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: changing ur keyboard setup to international will not affect the location of ur keys
[16:23] <Lupus-SLE> How won't it?
[16:24] <abhishek> putin: saving current session can be done in system settings >advanced >sessions manager >restore manually saved sessions whenever u wanna save d session and clicking apply will save at that point
[16:24] <Lupus-SLE> What is the 'international' key setup called?
[16:25] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: its just international ...i guess it mebbe US-international
[16:26] <Lupus-SLE> abhishek: But that's the US keyboard layout
[16:26] <abhishek> Lupus-SLE: kindly check this out http://www.starr.net/is/type/kbh.html
[16:27] <Lupus-SLE> abhishek: It's not the right one
[16:27] <Lupus-SLE> there's nothing wrong with my keyboard setup
[16:28] <Lupus-SLE> It's a UK keyboard with a UK keymap
[16:28] <Lupus-SLE> Nevermind I'll ask someone else.
[16:28] <Lupus-SLE> Thanks anyway
[16:31] <maeva> how can I minimize programs to my taskbar in KDE 4.1 ? (like gnome)
[16:32] <ForgeAus> hmm just curious grub error 17 doy ou need to fix the grub boot record for that or can it be fixed with a menu.lst edit alone?
[16:36] <Nyad> hi. I am using 64bit kubuntu, how do I compile for a 32bit cpu with gcc?
[16:41] <sigma> what font is used in the kubuntu logo?
[16:41] <sigma> can i download it anywhere? preferably in a deb file?
[16:52] <reya276> how can I install the flash plug in for Konqueror
[16:52] <bogdan> hi
[16:53] <reya276> also when I visit www.yaoo.com all the images don't show
[16:53] <bogdan> i don't see the videos on youtube:|
[16:54] <w8tah> if i install libqt4-dev and the associated packages -- will my qt3 programs still work right - - im on hardy and fluxbox
[17:03] <pteague_work> how do i get konqueror to open things like pdfs in a new window with the relevant viewer rather than inside konqueror?
[17:04] <ubuntu__> i just want to install kubuntu
[17:05] <ubuntu__> i made a little 10GB partition to save important data there
[17:05] <maeva> you can use firefox 3.0
[17:05] <ubuntu__> what is the mount point of that partition?
[17:05] <maeva> type pdf in synaptic
[17:05] <maeva> there are programs to open pdf files
[17:05] <ubuntu__> where should i mount that partition to easily copy data to this partition?
[17:05] <maeva> i think home is for your own data
[17:06] <maeva> then you got swap
[17:06] <ubuntu__> maeva: i know that :)
[17:06] <ubuntu__> maeva: my home is 130GB
[17:06] <maeva> oh
[17:06] <maeva> do you use kde ?
[17:06] <ubuntu__> maeva: i just need another partition to save data
[17:06] <ubuntu__> yes
[17:06] <ubuntu__> kde3
[17:06] <maeva> i want to know how you are able to minimize programs so that they don't dissapear but that the windows come in your taskbar
[17:07] <maeva> i'm in kde 4.1 to try
[17:07] <maeva> i believe in ubuntu like Mandela quoted it :)
[17:07] <ubuntu__> some weeks ago i installed kubuntu (/, swap and /home AND the 10GB partition)
[17:07] <maeva> but no one seems around to help us :)
[17:07] <ubuntu__> but i didn't wrote any mount point for that partition
[17:08] <ubuntu__> so i couldn't move data to that partition
[17:08] <maeva> did you tru the forum
[17:08] <maeva> or type your problem in google
[17:08] <maeva> often you find other people with same prob or question
[17:10] <ubuntu__> ok
[17:11] <Mr_Sonoma> the show desktop button on my KDE desktop after having installed the GNOME desktop... suggestions on where to look?
[17:13] <maeva> To add the show desktop button to the KDE toolbar, you have to right click on the toolbar. If you dig a bit you'll see an "Add special button" menu item. Go in there, and there's a lot of special buttons that you can add. One of them is the show desktop button
[17:13] <maeva> in kde 3.5 i have it left down rechts to the K button and system button
[17:14] <maeva> Right-click the Panel; Click on "Add" then "Special Buttons" and Choose "Desktop Access".
[17:14] <maeva> After this you can drag it anywhere you want by right-clicking it and choosing "Move Desktop Access Button". I like mine beside the menu launcher. By the way CTRL-ALT-D does the same thing.
[17:14] <maeva> oops sorry :)
[17:15] <maeva> i did tab because i thought it would show the whole nickname
[17:16] <reya276> so no flash plugin for konqueror
[17:17] <reya276> not even after installing Kubuntu Restricted
[17:17] <maeva> adobe flash player
[17:18] <engineer> flashplugin-nonfree
[17:19] <maeva> reya: install flashplugin-nonfree with synaptic
[17:19] <reya276> oops it says
[17:19] <reya276> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[17:19] <maeva> sudo apt-get install konqueror-nsplugins
[17:19] <maeva> then
[17:19] <maeva> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[17:19] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder,
[17:19] <hellcattrav> Ello
[17:19] <maeva> Settings->Configure Conqueror..... Plugins..... Scan for new plugins
[17:19] <yao_ziyuan> what does the 'ubuntu' portion mean in a package's version number
[17:19] <reya276> yes did that too
[17:19] <maeva> just type your question in google, you find answers, i'm a noob too lol
[17:20] <Mr_Sonoma> maeva, the problem isn't that its not there, but that it no longer works...but maybe i should try removing it then putting it back and see if that helps.
[17:20] <engineer> firefox ftw
[17:20] <hellcattrav> Hiya
[17:20] <yao_ziyuan> e.g. i'm upgrading from dolphin 0.9.2-ubuntu6 to ﻿0.9.2-ubuntu6.1
[17:20] <hellcattrav> how can I get kde4?
[17:20] <engineer> !hi | hellcattrav
[17:20] <maeva> yao i think the most recent programs like 8.10 is coming out it will have more or other programs with it and newer kernel
[17:20] <hellcattrav> I just installed form teh 8.04 live cd?
[17:20] <reya276> with synaptic, I though KDE did not use Synaptic
[17:20] <maeva> kde 4.1 is just released
[17:20] <engineer> hellcattrav you're asking us if you installed using the live cd
[17:20] <engineer> ?
[17:20] <enzo_> hello
[17:21] <hellcattrav> sorry, no I have installed from live cd, and have the defualt gnome setup but want kde4.x
[17:21] <maeva> yes
[17:21] <engineer> hellcattrav http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1
[17:21] <maeva> go to a console
[17:21] <maeva> sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[17:22] <maeva> there you go, thanks to google
[17:22] <hellcattrav> Oh thanks
[17:22] <maeva> maybe true a gui can also be possible like synaptic
[17:22] <maeva> sudo apt-get install kde4
[17:23] <hellcattrav> yer I looked at synaptic and saw the kde desktop enviroment catigory but was confused
[17:23] <maeva> i have both
[17:23] <TheGentleman> in kubuntu which is the REAL difference between "opening a new session" and "stopping a session and openening a new one" ?
[17:23] <maeva> but i can't minimize windows in my kde 4.1 taskbar
[17:23] <maeva> they dissapear :s
[17:24] <bbeck> Does anyone know the path to the Qt libraries for Kubuntu, or how I would find them?
[17:24] <maeva> i have my in other language thegentleman
[17:24] <yao_ziyuan> what difference does it make to upgrade from dolphin 0.9.2-ubuntu6 to ﻿0.9.2-ubuntu6.1?
[17:24] <reya276> oh I take that back flash does not work on Yahoo's website but it works everywhere else, very weird
[17:24] <yao_ziyuan> i mean, a "ubuntu" minor version upgrade
[17:25] <TheGentleman> mine too maeva... mine is a hytopesys for a translation how it should be the text in english
[17:25] <maeva> is it this bbeack http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-324853.html
[17:26] <maeva> o configure the Qt library for your machine type, run the
[17:26] <maeva> ./configure script in the package directory.
[17:26] <maeva> By default, Qt is configured for installation in the
[17:26] <maeva> /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.2.2 directory, but this can be
[17:26] <maeva> changed by using the -prefix option. Alternatively, the
[17:26] <maeva> -prefix-install option can be used to specify a "local"
[17:26] <maeva> installation within the source directory.
[17:26] <Administrator_> hi
[17:26] <maeva> cd /tmp/qt-x11-opensource-src-4.2.2
[17:26] <maeva> ./configure
[17:26] <Pici> !paste
[17:26] <maeva> yao try out
[17:26] <maeva> look on website of product n newest release notes yao
[17:26] <maeva> it stays 2.6 so isn't major update i think
[17:26] <bbeck> maeva: thanks.
[17:26] <madagascar> how do i check which version of KDE i am using in kubuntu
[17:26] <yao_ziyuan> maeva: ok
[17:27] <maeva> widgets and plasma is kde4 otherwise 3.5
[17:28] <TheGentleman> maeva, in other words, when you swithch from a user's session to another user's session. you can do it in two ways
[17:28] <TheGentleman> gosh, i'm the king of typos today
[17:28] <maeva> good question madagascar
[17:28] <maeva> how can we know which version of kde we use
[17:28] <madagascar> thx
[17:28] <maeva> hold on gonna check
[17:29] <maeva> bingo
[17:29] <maeva> i clicked 'about kde'
[17:29] <maeva> system monitor :d !
[17:29] <maeva> Version 4.1.00 (KDE 4.1.0)
[17:30] <madagascar> ?
[17:30] <madagascar> how
[17:30] <maeva> allright i'm using the latest new one KDE 4.1
[17:30] <maeva> :-)
[17:30] <madagascar> what do i check
[17:30] <maeva> system monitor
[17:30] <maeva> in system menu
[17:30] <madagascar> then
[17:30] <maeva> yeam im from belgium so i need to translate in english :)
[17:30] <madagascar> o
[17:30] <maeva> system - system monitor
[17:31] <madagascar> thx
[17:31] <maeva> windows is to expensive and full of viruses and require money for yearly anti virus upgrades so linux is good alternaztive. oppen office recognises .doc format like office
[17:32] <maeva> thegentleman: ok
[17:33] <TheGentleman> -
[17:38] <engineer> !enter
[17:40] <tsuna27> Hi
[17:40] <selena> hi )
[17:40] <tsuna27> how do i get flash
[17:40] <tsuna27> plugin 4 fireofx
[17:41] <selena> nsplugin-netscape
[17:41] <tsuna27> im mew
[17:41] <tsuna27> new*
[17:41] <tsuna27> what should i do
[17:42] <selena> keep your mind
[17:42] <Darkhound> Hello, i have ubuntu on my laptop i have a few questions
[17:42] <Darkhound> 1. how do i import PST fies into Evolution
[17:42] <selena> okay lets see it
[17:43] <selena> it at all?
[17:46] <tsuna27> when I install stuff from the adept installer where so they go
[17:48] <maybeway36> tsuna27: lots of places, usually somewhee in /usr
[17:48] <maybeway36> actual progams in /usr/bin
[17:50] <Bman87> hi, I have a problem where I will be typing in a document and the keyboard cursor changes to a different line randomly. I am not touching the mouse, and this also happens in other programs, just trying to search on google then the cursor dissapears like it was clicked outside of the box
[17:51] <tsuna27> now that i downloaded KDE 4.1 whats new
[17:52] <selena> 2Bman are u typing on the notebook?
[17:52] <engineer> !google
[17:52] <Bman87> selena: yes
[17:52] <tsuna27> how do i use KDE PIM is back
[17:52] <tsuna27> i mean KDE PIM
[17:54] <selena> 2Bman i know the reason - or have big hands or big touchpad =)
[17:54] <Bman87> selena: I know i am not touching the touchpad. I already thought thats why it was doing it
[17:57] <tsuna27> how do i use KWIN
[17:57] <leba__> !kwin | tsuna27
[17:57] <tsuna27> ?
[17:57] <leba__> !partition | leba__
[17:57] <tsuna27> whats !kwin
[17:58] <leba__> tsuna27, it's the way you use the channel bot.
[17:58] <selena> where is another mean - any program write in /dev/mice =) , or deck have a preassure on touchpad
[17:59] <tsuna27> how do i configure Kwin
[18:00] <Bman87> selena: I dont understand. sorry
[18:00] <tsuna27> "The Coverswitcher makes switching applications with Alt+Tab a real eye-catcher. You can choose it in KWin's desktop effects settings."\
[18:00] <tsuna27> thats from the KDE website
[18:01] <tsuna27> i was wondering how do i get into the Kwins desktop effect settings
[18:02] <lee__> guys!!!
[18:04] <Bman87> hi, I have a problem where I will be typing in a document and the keyboard cursor changes to a different line randomly. I am not touching the mouse, and this also happens in other programs, just trying to search on google then the cursor dissapears like it was clicked outside of the box. This is on a Dell Vostro laptop. I am not touching the touchpad at all.
[18:05] <tsuna27> hello?
[18:05] <lee__> has anyone got dialup-admin to work properly
[18:05] <lee__> on Ubuntu desktop
[18:05] <lee__> hello tsuna27
[18:06] <lee__> you new?
[18:06] <tsuna27> yes
[18:06] <lee__> sweet
[18:06] <lee__> me too
[18:06] <lee__> you know anything about free radius
[18:06] <tsuna27> nope
[18:06] <tsuna27> do u know how to use Step
[18:06] <lee__> no
[18:06] <lee__> whats step
[18:07] <tsuna27> its 4 physics
[18:07] <tsuna27> how about Kwin
[18:07] <lee__> nope sorry dude
[18:07] <lee__> not that either
[18:07] <tsuna27> k
[18:07] <tsuna27> so whats new in KDE 4.1
[18:07] <lee__> what you need that for
[18:07] <lee__> nothing much
[18:08] <tsuna27> in Kwin when u press Alt+Tab it looks nicer
[18:08] <lee__> sweet, will have to remember that
[18:09] <lee__> is ther anyone on here that can help me with freeradius and dialup-admin
[18:10] <tsuna27> im trying 2 delete a game I downloaded
[18:10] <tsuna27> but its not letting me
[18:12] <mattelacchiato> hi
[18:13] <tsuna27> hi
[18:13] <mattelacchiato> i've wrote my own udev-rule to run automatically a script. this script should mount the device. but it doesn't work
[18:14] <mattelacchiato> the command "mount /media/Backup" works, if i execute it by hand
[18:14] <mattelacchiato> but not insede the bash-script
[18:14] <yakuzi> anyone has expierience with newest ati driver (catalyst download 8.7) and flightgear? because if i try to play, my pc freezes at "initializing subsystems" just before i can start flying and i have 3d acceleration because i can play Nexuiz without problems
[18:15] <leba__> how do I check my partition table using linux ?
[18:15] <mattelacchiato> i've also put an echo-command in the script to see, if the script was run
[18:16] <mattelacchiato> leba__: what do you mean?
[18:16] <leba__> mattelacchiato, I want to verify the hdd mbr file, I guess...
[18:16] <trappist> leba__: sudo parted check <device>
[18:17] <trappist> leba__: the mbr isn't the same as the partition table
[18:18] <mattelacchiato> sudo fdisk /dev/<discname> and then "v" is also possible
[18:18] <leba__> trappist, kubuntu installer aren't able to recognize the hdd partitions.
[18:18] <tsuna27> hello how do i use Kwin
[18:18] <tsuna27> how do i get into the program
[18:18] <mattelacchiato> kwin is the window-manager
[18:18] <tsuna27> where do i find that
[18:18] <mattelacchiato> you are using it, when kde is running
[18:19] <tsuna27> so its on
[18:19] <mattelacchiato> i guess...
[18:19] <tsuna27> k then how do i edit the prefrences
[18:19] <mattelacchiato> ps aux | grep kwin
[18:19] <tsuna27> just type that in terminal
[18:20] <mattelacchiato> control center -> appereance
[18:22] <tsuna27> do you know how to use the The Coverswitcher
[18:23] <tsuna27> it says you can choose it in Kwin's desktop effect settings
[18:23] <mattelacchiato> no, never heard about coverswitcher, tsuna27
[18:24] <tsuna27> http://kde.org/announcements/4.1/
[18:30] <w8tah> hi folks -- i installed libqt4-dev and its deps on my hardy laptop to compile and run kvirc 4 -- all works great except that i have no sound support -- any suggestions what i need to install?
[18:45] <evangelions> how i can repair my grub
[18:50] <Guest54096> how can i install cmake 2.6.0 to finnish installing kde-4?
[18:51] <blue__> evangelions: you could try an request a reinstall, back up your bootlist first though
[18:51] <Guest54096> i AM ADDING kde 4 TO kDE 3
[18:52] <Guest54096> ALL DONE BUT SAYS NEED 2.6.0
[18:52] <evangelions> im  try with sgd
[18:53] <Guest54096> FILE IS ON DESKTOP BUT CANT SEEM TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT
[18:53] <jparishy> Hm, I reinstalled Kubuntu yesterday and got kde4.1 going and it's working great. except that it doesn't seem to recognize my cd's
[18:54] <jparishy> I put in a Music CD and it isn't coming up, is there some package I need to install to get it to do so?
[18:54] <andrei> hy
[18:55] <yousef> kde4.1 is not a good idea right now
[18:55] <Guest54096> WHAT COMMAND FOR CONSOLE TO INSTALL CMAKE-2.6.0 FROM MY DESKTOP FILE?
[18:55] <jussi01> !caps
[18:56] <jill> Hi everyone, during boot after choosing os (auto) BlackSOD with white rectangle red lettering "Input not Supported"
[18:56] <Guest54096> i AM NOT SHOUT
[18:56] <jill> Then starts normally
[18:56] <Guest54096> just typing
[18:56] <jussi01> Guest54096: please use normal case then
[18:56] <Guest54096> ok
[18:56] <Guest54096> well i build just to build
[18:57] <jussi01> Guest54096: Are you looking for kde 4 support ?
[18:57] <Guest54096> not the end of world if fail
[18:57] <Guest54096> but somebody has to try this crazy stuff
[18:57] <jussi01> Guest54096: if so, please try #kubuntu-kde4
[18:58] <Guest54096> the support said to install cmake 2.6.0
[18:58] <Guest54096> i have it andf am try to install it
[18:58] <Guest54096> it does not understand
[18:58] <jussi01> Guest54096: the #kubuntu-kde4 please :)
[18:58] <Guest54096> ok thanks bye
[19:03] <jill> Hi everyone, during boot after choosing os (auto) BlackSOD with white rectangle red lettering "Input not Supported".  Then starts normally. Note I do not see a vid driver in hardware.
[19:04] <blue__> jill: so whast the problem?
[19:04] <Pici> jill: Thats your monitor complaining that the resolution or refresh rate being sent to it is unsupported.
[19:04] <ubuntu__> Error: Can't have overlapping partitions.
[19:04] <ubuntu__>                First       Last
[19:04] <ubuntu__>  # Type       Sector      Sector   Offset    Length   Filesystem Type (ID) Flag
[19:04] <ubuntu__> -- ------- ----------- ----------- ------ ----------- -------------------- ----
[19:04] <ubuntu__>  1 Primary           0   209712509     63   209712510 HPFS/NTFS (07)       Boot
[19:04] <ubuntu__>  2 Primary   209712510   976751999      0   767039490 W95 Ext'd (LBA) (0F) None
[19:04] <ubuntu__>  5 Logical   209712510   419425019     63   209712510 HPFS/NTFS (07)       None
[19:04] <ubuntu__>  6 Logical   419425020   629137529     63   209712510 HPFS/NTFS (07)       None
[19:04] <ubuntu__>  7 Logical   629137530   976751999     63   347614470 HPFS/NTFS (07)       None
[19:04] <ubuntu__>    Pri/Log   976752000   976768064      0       16065 Free Space           None
[19:05] <jill> During boot screen goes black I think there is a video driver missing but have not been able to locate one
[19:05] <ubuntu__> this is the partition table
[19:05] <Pici> ubuntu__: Please dont do that.
[19:05] <Pici> !paste | ubuntu__
[19:05] <ubuntu__> ok
[19:05] <jill> Pici, hello again, will check resolution but I have an ati vid card no driver.
[19:06] <ubuntu__> Pici, can you help me please ?
[19:07] <Pici> ubuntu__: What are you doing that is giving you that error?
[19:08] <ubuntu__> Pici: sudo cfdisk -Ps /dev/sda
[19:09] <Pici> ubuntu__: Is there a reason you are using cfdisk over qtparted/gparted?
[19:09] <ubuntu__> Pici: the problem is very much like this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/103794
[19:10] <ubuntu__> Pici: I am using a kununtu desktop cd and I am trying to install it but the installer doesn recognize my hdd partitions.
[19:11] <Pici> ubuntu__: There should be a graphical parition editor on the the liveCD.  I personally don't use KDE so I'm not sure where it puts it.
[19:12] <gnumm> yes, there is a grafical partition editor on the kbuntu livecd
[19:12] <gnumm> i guess it's qtparted
[19:17] <ubuntu__> Pici: I couldn find any disk partition tool on this live cd. Just a app called Disk & Filesystems - System Settings, where I am not sure if it just checks the dis or edit it.
[19:18] <ubuntu__> gnumm: do you know where is it locatewd please?
[19:19] <gnumm> on the live cd?
[19:19] <gnumm> startthe installation
[19:20] <ubuntu__> the installatio doesnt recognize my hdd partitios
[19:20] <blue___> ubuntu__: you could try puppy linux live CD it has loads of tools for partitioning
[19:21] <ubuntu__> blue___: yes? where from ?
[19:22] <blue___> ubuntu__: google it
[19:29] <benbread> Whoa - What's with the Crazy/Awesome way linux shows the file structure of Audio CDs?
[19:33] <khaije> heheh
[19:37] <ubuntu__> is there someone here which knows about command like tools to help me please?
[19:37] <sbucat> ubuntu__: ?
[19:38] <ubuntu__> sbucat: I need to check my hdd partition to see if itś fine...
[19:39] <sbucat> ubuntu__: i think fdisk but i am not pretty sure
[19:39] <sbucat> !fidisk
[19:40] <Sevenhill> ubuntu : do you mean something like scandisk ?
[19:40] <ubuntu__> I get this error : Error: Can't have overlapping partitions.
[19:40] <Sevenhill> ubuntu__:  do you mean something like scandisk ?
[19:41] <ubuntu__> after using : Error: Can't have overlapping partitions.
[19:41] <ubuntu__> sudo parted /dev/sda5 check
[19:42] <ubuntu__> Sevenhill: what ?
[19:42] <denys> haaa
[19:43] <denys> :
[19:43] <jparishy> Alright, this is kind of annoying. I opened konqueror and pointed it at audiocd:/, but there is nothing in any of the folders accept Full CD but I don't want the entire CD in one file :|
[19:43] <giulia> ciao
[19:44] <denys> chau
[19:44] <giulia> speak italian
[19:44] <PhilRod> jparishy: that is odd. Do you have libvorbis installed?
[19:44] <PhilRod> !it | giulia
[19:45] <ubuntu__> can I donwload and use a partioning tool when I am running a live cd  ??
[19:45] <PhilRod> jparishy: oh wait, kde 3 or  4?
[19:45] <jparishy> 4
[19:50] <slow-motion> hi
[19:50] <ubuntu__> Where is the helpers on this channel today ?
[19:50] <ubuntu__> Holyday ?
[19:51] <Pici> #ubuntu is active if you need help thats not necessarly KDE specific.
[19:52] <Lynoure> ubuntu__: helpers are volunteers, so might be actually so.
[19:52] <StucKman> hi all. I'm tring to fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/45427, modifying the patch I mention here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/45427/comments/7
[19:52] <StucKman> any way to contact developers so we can figure this out once for all?
[19:53] <ubuntu__> I want to install kubuntu, could somone help m pelase ?
[19:53] <jparishy> StucKman: #kde-devel maybe?
[19:53] <genii> ubuntu__: Are you on ubuntu already?
[19:53] <StucKman> jparishy: no, the patch is kubuntu only
[19:53] <ubuntu__> genii: I am on Kubuntu
[19:53] <StucKman> ubuntu__: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[19:54] <StucKman> ubuntu__: ah, then click on the "install" icon in the desktop
[19:54] <ubuntu__> StucKman: it happens the installer doesn recognize my hard drive partitions!!!
[19:55] <StucKman> ubuntu__: tell us about your machine
[19:57] <Kasle> ?
[19:58] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I used to have xp on primary partition. then I erase it and installed Kubuntu. Then I erased it and when I was booting from Ubuntu I tryed to give my partition sda1 a label where label in bsd is a new partition, but incredible it didn erase my windows partition, but when I am inside linux all I see from partition tools is a full empty table.
[19:59] <StucKman> ubuntu__: do you reagard the info in your computer as important? because if not, just erase it all and start over
[19:59] <ubuntu__> StucKman: now I try to reinstall kubuntu and the installer doesn recognize I have any partition on mu hdd.
[19:59] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I was trying to avoid it just now.
[20:00] <StucKman> ubuntu__: "a label where labal in bsd is a new partition" <-- I don't understand that
[20:01] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I don care to loose it, but if I start from the point 0 again it gonna take me a day, where if I fix it it can take 10 minutes or so and lots of fun..
[20:01] <lonran> i have download new plasmoids in kde 4.1 using the "install new widgets" tab but now they dont appear, where can i find them? where are they installed?
[20:01] <StucKman> lonran: see topic
[20:02] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I though label was a volume label, where label is a partition table in linux, no ?
[20:02] <StucKman> ubuntu__: no
[20:02] <lonran> thnks StucKman, and sorry
[20:02] <StucKman> label is file system label, but it actually depends on the tool you were using
[20:02] <StucKman> lonran: np
[20:02] <ubuntu__> StucKman: well itś not just label, but it works like I sayed.
[20:04] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok, never mind about it. What do you think I could do from Linux inside point to try fixing or rebuilding this label/partitioning table (better avoiding trash my windows ones)
[20:04] <StucKman> ubuntu__: open a terminal, run "sudo fdisk -l /dev/<your hard disk>" and paste the output in some pastebin
[20:06] <ubuntu__> StucKman: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f4c64978d
[20:07] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I did run : sudo cfdisk -Ps /dev/sda if you don mind.
[20:07] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I still can run the command youe told me...
[20:08] <tsuna27> hi
[20:08] <tsuna27> I was wondering how I could edit what apps start at startup
[20:09] <StucKman> ubuntu__: ok, lemme see
[20:10] <StucKman> ubuntu__: tell me what's wrong on that output, as I don't know what it should show
[20:10] <StucKman> I mean, I see 4 ntfs partitions that eat up almost all the disk
[20:11] <tsuna27> can someone help me?
[20:12] <StucKman> tsuna27: kubuntu, right? kde?
[20:12] <StucKman> ubuntu__: are you sure it's the right disk?
[20:12] <tsuna27> KDE
[20:12] <tsuna27> yes
[20:12] <ubuntu__> StucKman: you can check the screenshot here : http://imagebin.ca/view/MHI2mH.html
[20:13] <ubuntu__> StucKman: well, it is the hdd, but itś very unorganized right now.
[20:13] <Lynoure> tsuna27: tried using ~/.kde/Autostart yet?
[20:13] <tsuna27> i will now
[20:13] <StucKman> ubuntu__: coming
[20:14] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I can explaine what each partition means if you want..
[20:14] <tsuna27> whats ~ again
[20:15] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok
[20:15] <Lynoure> tsuna27: ~ is just shorthand for your home directory. But this might be a bit tough, then. You can put scripts in that directory, and they'll get run at kde start...
[20:15] <StucKman> ubuntu__: I can't reach the sshot
[20:16] <ubuntu__> http://imagebin.ca/view/MHI2mH.html
[20:16] <ubuntu__> StucKman: no, why not?
[20:16] <StucKman> ubuntu__: I got the link, it's just not working from here
[20:16] <StucKman> dunno, either the image provider did something or my ISP borked its dns again
[20:16] <Lynoure> tsuna27: anyway, http://languor.us/kde-autostart-programs-upon-login has two different ways to go about it
[20:17] <StucKman> ubuntu__: tell me about the partitions
[20:17] <tsuna27> thx
[20:17] <ubuntu__> http://imagebin.ca/view/MHI2mH.html
[20:17] <tsuna27> and how do i make it that my widgets dont move every time i turn on my computer
[20:17] <ubuntu__> StucKman: sorry, ok.
[20:18] <ubuntu__> In the partition #1 I got XP
[20:19] <ubuntu__> the #2 is something I could eliminate if possible, not sure whay itś there...
[20:19] <ubuntu__> #3 is the pertition I intend to install Linux
[20:19] <ubuntu__> I mean #5 not 3.. sorry
[20:19] <ubuntu__> #6 I have vista
[20:20] <StucKman> ubuntu__: you have to change the partition type to 83 (linux)
[20:20] <ubuntu__> #7 I have some crap
[20:20] <StucKman> and you'll need another partition for swap
[20:20] <aib_> how do i get rid of the desktop pager in KDE 3? the context menu has nothing like a delete item!
[20:20] <ubuntu__> StucKman: yes, I tryed to format it but wasn sucessful
[20:21] <Lynoure> (seems my accidental joining here was not totally useless :) )
[20:21] <ubuntu__> StucKman: and the partition Pri/Log text is the problem Ithink
[20:21] <StucKman> so either you changer the partition type, not the label, or you never had kubuntu installed, wich is not consistent with what you said first (or what I understood you said L)
[20:21]  * nikosk is wondering what ppl try 2 do
[20:21] <StucKman> :)
[20:22] <StucKman> ubuntu__: no, not only format, but change partition type
[20:22] <tsuna27> Kate keeps on coming when I log in and i cant stop it
[20:22] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok how do I format it ?
[20:23] <StucKman> ubuntu__: again, change partition type first
[20:23] <ubuntu__> ubuntu, ok, how do I do that ?
[20:23] <StucKman> use any *fdisk you wish
[20:23] <ubuntu__> StucKman: can it be a command line ?
[20:24] <nikosk> ubuntu: in which system are you now windows ?
[20:24] <StucKman> ubuntu__: yes
[20:24] <StucKman> well, there must be some gui app, but I don't use them,
[20:25] <StucKman> ubuntu__: hmm,m did you change the "kabel" from any of your windows'?
[20:25] <StucKman> label*
[20:25] <ubuntu__> StucKman: yes
[20:25] <StucKman> there
[20:26] <ubuntu__> StucKman: thats what I was talking abouit
[20:26] <StucKman> you just did a mistake trusting microsoft :-P
[20:26] <nikosk_> ?
[20:26] <ubuntu__> StucKman: what do you mean ?
[20:26] <StucKman> joke apart, it must have changed the ppartition to ntfs
[20:26] <StucKman> and most probably it also formatted it
[20:27] <StucKman> so I'm mostly confident you just lost your kubuntu instalation
[20:27] <nikosk_> oops this happened to me 2 many times when first starting with linux
[20:27] <nikosk_> :(
[20:28] <StucKman> ms tools are not the best ones to manage partitions
[20:28] <ubuntu__> StucKman: when I did that I had the GParted software showing all my partitions all right, after that I thought I had lost everything because the pasrtition bar became just one big grey bar, but I don know how and fortunatlyt I could kept booting from windwos without loose of data, but always I boot from linux it identify as no partition. weird
[20:28] <nikosk_> StuckMan: partion magis is pretty good
[20:28] <StucKman> I remember MS' fdisk not only touches the partition table, it also overwrites random sector within parittions
[20:29] <nikosk_> partion magic I mean
[20:29] <StucKman> nikosk_: yeap, that one has helped me lots of times
[20:29] <StucKman> i was refering to MS tools, not windows tools :)
[20:29] <ubuntu__> nikosk_: can I download and use from inside a live cd ?
[20:29] <nikosk_> I c
[20:30] <StucKman> ubuntu__: you say that you fiddled with the partitions with gparted, and at some point it showed all the disk as a grey bar?
[20:30] <nikosk_> I think that you can create a rescue disk and boot from that. have never tried it though
[20:30] <StucKman> ubuntu__: there used to be a couple of diskette images...
[20:30] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I am in teminal prompt now. What is the command I should be using to set the format of /dev/sda5 partitoin to ext3 ?
[20:31] <StucKman> ubuntu__: use any of the *fdisk tools you like
[20:31]  * nikosk_ was always wondering what the diffrerence between ext2 and ext3 is (I am sure this is a lame question)
[20:32] <ubuntu__> nikosk_: I think ex3 is journaled
[20:32] <StucKman> nikosk_: basicaly, journal support
[20:33] <nikosk_> aah, ok thanx
[20:33] <ubuntu__> StucKman: fdisk /dev/sda5 or is ther any interesting options ?
[20:33] <StucKman> ubuntu__: sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[20:34] <ubuntu__> StucKman: but this way I will be loosing ll my curently partition table, no ?
[20:34] <ubuntu__> StucKman: and besides what would it be the standart partiton format ?
[20:36] <StucKman> ubuntu__: no, you'll be editing it
[20:36] <StucKman> ubuntu__: it's not format, it's type
[20:37] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok, so I did that..
[20:37] <StucKman> the "format" (in windows terms) in linux has to do with the filesystem you put into the partition, not the partition type
[20:38] <ubuntu__> StucKman: and what would the format of a ext3 filesystem for example ? in windows terms ?
[20:38] <Serega> heya
[20:39] <ubuntu__> StucKman: do you think the partition #2 is beeing used somehow ?
[20:39] <nikosk_> Is the Beryl the 3D desktop ?
[20:40] <joe_> i have a problem whith K9Copy and i am hopeing that someone can help me out?
[20:41] <StucKman> ubuntu__: how may I know? it's your diks....
[20:41] <joe_> everytime i put in a dvd and start up K9Copy it allway's freez's up on me and I can never get K9Copy to run, can anyone help me out???
[20:42] <StucKman> nikosk_: beryl, now compiz fussion, it's the window manager/composer that shows the desktop in a 3D cube, yes
[20:42] <nikosk_> :)
[20:43] <ubuntu__> StucKman: do you think windwos xp/vista uses W95 Ext'd (LBA) anyhow ?
[20:43] <joe_> Is someone gonna help me out or what???
[20:44] <StucKman> ubuntu__: that's a primary partition that has all the logincal inside
[20:45] <joe_> fine if u wanna be dick's to someone that does ask for help & noth'n else then i guess i can be a dick to, fuck u ppl & hope u fuck'n die for not help'n ppl in need of help!!!
[20:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> *again*?
[20:45] <StucKman> ubuntu__: paste the output of "dmesg | grep sda¦ please...
[20:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> he does this about every day
[20:46] <StucKman> Daisuke_Laptop: nevermind him
[20:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> StucKman: i find it an amusing study in childlike behaviour :)
[20:46] <StucKman> Daisuke_Laptop: indeed
[20:47] <nikosk_> me needs some help in installing beryl in KUBUNTU
[20:48] <ubuntu__> StucKman: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f13e2257a
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> nikosk_: personally, i wouldn't bother, beryl is a dead project - compiz-fusion is probably what you're looking for
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> !compiz | nikosk_
[20:51] <nikosk_> ok
[20:51] <nikosk_> :)
[20:51] <StucKman> ubuntu__: where did sda4 go?
[20:52] <ubuntu__> StucKman: don know, I think it never exixted before ..
[20:53] <StucKman> ubuntu__: it should, as sda5 comes after it
[20:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> StucKman: i think 5 is where logical partitions start
[20:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've seen several examples where theres 1-3, then 5
[20:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> nothing serious
[20:55] <ubuntu__> StucKman: all right ?
[20:56] <StucKman> Daisuke_Laptop: oh, yes
[20:56] <StucKman> o'*slap*
[20:56] <StucKman> o\ *slap*
[20:56] <StucKman> ubuntu__: it's ok, as Daisuke_Laptop says
[20:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> hehe, no worries, i have moments like that all the time
[20:56] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok, what I do now then ?
[20:58] <StucKman> ubuntu__: are you still in fdisk? paste me the output of the "p" command
[20:59] <ubuntu__> StucKman: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/dec1613d
[21:01] <ubuntu__> StucKman: if I try "v" it shows me :
[21:01] <ubuntu__> Logical partition 7 not entirely in partition 2
[21:01] <ubuntu__> 21416 unallocated sectors
[21:01] <ubuntu__> maybe thatś a bit problem, no ?
[21:08] <ubuntu__> StucKman: are you there ?
[21:10] <ubuntu__> I think I have a partition #7 which is bigger than what the logic partition #2 describes.
[21:10] <ubuntu__> How can I fix it ?
[21:11] <StucKman> ubuntu__: sorry, I'm back
[21:12] <ubuntu__> StucKman: uhh, ok.. ;)
[21:12] <ubuntu__> StucKman: do you see what I wrote ?
[21:13] <StucKman> ubuntu__: two things: a) you haven't set a linux partition yet! b) yes, partition 2 shoukld contain parts 5, 6 and 7, but only contains the first two
[21:13] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I think my logic partition #2 is with problems. Because my last partition #7 should have 8Gbs and it have hundred and something... bigger than my hdd supports..
[21:14] <StucKman> ubuntu__: lemme see
[21:15] <StucKman> ubuntu__: according to dmesg, your hd has 976773168 sectors of 512 bytes each
[21:15] <StucKman> which makes 500108 MB
[21:15] <StucKman> (roughly)
[21:16] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok, than thats all right
[21:16] <StucKman> (duh, fdisk reports almost the same)
[21:16] <ubuntu__> I jusat cant compreend why it says partition 7 not entirely in partition 2
[21:17] <StucKman> so you have 3 parts 100GB each (1, 5 and 6) and one of ~170GB (7), right?
[21:17] <ubuntu__> yep
[21:17] <StucKman> ubuntu__: check the start and end culinders from p output
[21:17] <StucKman> cylinders
[21:18] <StucKman> part 2 should contain parts 5,6 and 7, but only goes up to the end of part 6
[21:20] <sourcemaker> are there SAP specialists (SAP GUI for Java)?
[21:22] <ubuntu__> StucKman: yes, part 7 comes after the end of 2
[21:22] <ubuntu__> StucKman: and goes further...
[21:28] <StucKman> ubuntu__: you gotta fix that
[21:29] <StucKman> ubuntu__: listen: if you edit anything in fdisk, it won't apply until you save it, so you can play with it. and you will :)
[21:29] <StucKman> ubuntu__: delete partition 2 and recreate it to the sezi it should
[21:31] <ubuntu__> StucKman: but will I be able to change it after all ?
[21:31] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I mean without loosing my actual partitions ?
[21:32] <StucKman> ubuntu__: yes, if you just put the right values
[21:32] <StucKman> the end cylinder for sda2 chould be at least 60800
[21:32] <StucKman> should*
[21:34] <StucKman> if parts 5, 6 and 7 get deleted, don't panic, just recreate them with the same values
[21:35] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok
[21:35] <StucKman> and if you have a pendrive, I suggest you to make a backup of your MBR before saving the new partition table
[21:35] <StucKman> s/pendrive/usb stick/
[21:36] <ubuntu__> StucKman: how do I backup it ?
[21:36] <ubuntu__> I have a pen drive..
[21:36] <ubuntu__> :)
[21:37] <StucKman> ubuntu__: on another terminal, dd bs=512 count=1 < /dev/sda > /pendrive/mount/point/sda.mbr
[21:37] <StucKman> (mount the pendrive first)
[21:40] <ubuntu__> StucKman: hey, it says /dev/sda: Permission denied
[21:40] <ubuntu__> I tryed with sudo already
[21:42] <StucKman> ubuntu__: ah, sully me. "sudo dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sda of=/pendrive/mount/point/sda.mbr"
[21:42] <ubuntu__> from inside /dev/ is I try to type sda bash shows sda: command not found even though sda is present on this folder..
[21:43] <StucKman> ubuntu__: of course, "sda" is not a command
[21:43] <StucKman> is a "file" that represents your whole disk
[21:43] <ubuntu__> sda is actually a copy or my machine mbr ?
[21:43] <StucKman> (is not actually a file, but for practical uses it behaves like one)
[21:43] <ubuntu__> Mmm, ok
[21:43] <reidar> why wont Beryl install? i use  sudo apt-get install beryl emerald-themes
[21:44] <StucKman> unix: everython is a file :)
[21:44] <ubuntu__> Itś a kind of map.. ?
[21:44] <reidar> but get the packages could not be found
[21:44] <StucKman> ubuntu__: it's called a "device". if you open it, you'll be seeing the actual contents of the disk
[21:45] <StucKman> including all the structures in it needed to "build" partitions and filesystems
[21:45] <StucKman> you better don't mess with it much :)
[21:46] <StucKman> so, we're just copying 1 block of 512 bytes starting from the beginning of sda, wich is the place of the mbr
[21:46] <StucKman> reidar: beryl is de[precated, look for compiz-fusion
[21:47] <reidar> thank you
[21:47] <ubuntu__> StucKman: which is the count 1 part of it .. :P
[21:47] <reidar> and whats the install for that+
[21:47] <reidar> ?
[21:47] <ubuntu__> StucKman: do I need to make a dir /mount/point in pendrive firsthand ?
[21:47] <StucKman> reidar: compiz-fusion
[21:48] <StucKman> ubuntu__: no, just put the real mount point
[21:48] <StucKman> (of your already mounted pendrive)
[21:48] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok
[21:48] <reidar> i write sudo apt-get compiz-fusion?
[21:48] <StucKman> reidar: yes you can
[21:48] <reidar> thank you
[21:48] <reidar> new to Linux so learning as i go hehe
[21:49] <StucKman> "yes you can" <-- my english is faling apart
[21:49] <mefisto__> reidar: sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion    don't forget the "install"
[21:49] <reidar> thanx
[21:50] <reidar> but stil i get on my norwegian kbuntu that it cant find the packages
[21:51] <mefisto__> reidar: try compiz-kde instead
[21:51] <ubuntu__> StucKman: if = from of = to ?
[21:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> !compiz | reidar
[21:52] <reidar> thank you
[21:52] <StucKman> ubuntu__: yes, input file and output file
[21:52] <StucKman> (man dd)
[21:52] <ubuntu__> StucKman: because it says : dd: opening PD/mount/point/sda.mbr' : No such file or directory
[21:53] <reidar> compiz-kde worked
[21:53] <StucKman> ubuntu__: of course, I told you to use your real mount point
[21:53] <StucKman> I guess I just assumed you understood that
[21:54] <ubuntu__> StucKman: /PD/ is my mount point
[21:55] <StucKman> then just /PD/sda.mbr
[21:56] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I forget to add the dir /media/PD...
[21:57] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok, I have the backup now.
[21:57] <StucKman> ok, then do the modifications we talked about earlier
[21:57] <ubuntu__> StucKman: so this sda is a copy of my mbr ?
[21:58] <StucKman> yes, now sda.mbr is a copy of you mbr
[22:01] <ubuntu__> StucKman: which filesystem I will use for partition #2 ? Used to be W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[22:05] <StucKman> ubuntu__: teh same
[22:12] <ubuntu__> StucKman: are you there, wanna have a look ?
[22:13] <ubuntu__> StucKman: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d74dd5600
[22:14] <ubuntu__> StucKman: Itś missing the swap partition though
[22:14] <StucKman> ubuntu__: yes
[22:14] <StucKman> ubuntu__: perfect!
[22:15] <ubuntu__> StucKman: and I advanced the part 7 to 60801, is it a problem ?
[22:15] <StucKman> now, will you use a swap partition?
[22:15] <bence> no no
[22:15] <bence> an you?
[22:15] <StucKman> ubuntu__: yes, it is
[22:15] <bence> and you?
[22:15] <bence> what?
[22:15] <ubuntu__> StucKman: so I should come back to 60800 then ?
[22:16] <bence> o
[22:16] <bence> oh
[22:16] <bence> i go sleep
[22:16] <bence> chio
[22:16] <StucKman> ubuntu__: bah, I'm not sure, as that one's a NTFS. dunno if windows will complain or not
[22:17] <StucKman> and again: will you need a swap partition?
[22:17] <ubuntu__> StucKman: yeah, better don't play with microsoft, those guys are dangerous by themselfes...
[22:18] <ubuntu__> StucKman: I don't know if I need a swap partitin, someone told me linux just works with one, no ?
[22:19] <squid0> how do I add a keyboard shortcut to lock the screen? it's not an option under keyboard shortcuts in systemsettings
[22:19] <StucKman> ubuntu__: how much ram d'you have?
[22:19] <ubuntu__> StucKman: 2gb
[22:20] <squid0> oops, wrong channel\
[22:20] <StucKman> ubuntu__: hmm, you might not need one, but it depends on load
[22:20] <ubuntu__> StucKman: can I save the fdisk command ?
[22:21] <StucKman> ubuntu__: yes, corssing fingers
[22:23] <slow-motion> n8
[22:27] <Kasle> iv'e got a problem. I bought a TerraTec Sound card, but i have no idea how to install it in KDE 4. Can anyone help me please? :)
[22:29] <StucKman> ubuntu__: gotta go. good luck with that
[22:29] <ubuntu__> StucKman: ok, man, thank you very much !
[22:30] <ubuntu__> StucKman: thank you !!!
[22:33] <StucKman> ubuntu__: np
[22:34] <berto> per andare a ubuntu .it come si fa?
[22:34] <genii> !it
[22:44] <x_> ok?
[22:48]  * genii sips
[22:50] <richard_> anybody know about the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command?
[22:52] <spike_> why doesn't sudo apt-get dist-upgrade work?
[22:54] <spike_> trying something else
[22:55] <The_zodiac> hola
[22:55] <genii> !es | The_zodiac
[23:21] <steveire> Hi. Anyone have kde4 installed?
[23:22] <steveire> If you have kubuntu kde4 packages, could you tell me if you have a directory ~/.kde4?
[23:27] <harpreet> anyone help me with installing my internal modem on toshiba satellite?
[23:32] <jhutchins_wk> !apt
[23:42] <harpreet> anyone help me with installing my internal modem on toshiba satellite?
[23:44] <phil_> i was wondering what other good audio players are out there for kubuntu
[23:46] <fifthelephant> @phil, by other you mean not amarok?
[23:46] <phil_> yes, sorry.  forgot about that part
[23:47] <phil_> so far i really like amarok, but i figured i would venture out and see what else was available
[23:47] <jcs> anyone know how to get the ar5007eg working with madwifi?
[23:48] <fifthelephant> well your free to use any linux media player, doesnt have to be one designed for kde
[23:49] <phil_> ok, any that you like personally?
[23:51] <fifthelephant> @phil, yeah, amarok;) but have you tried kaffeine?
[23:51] <fifthelephant> @phil, http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=334 altho its about a year out of date
[23:52] <phil_> fifthelephant, yeah i tried that briefly.  it's pretty basic, especially compared to amarok
[23:53] <phil_> fifthelephan, also, i've been trying to add wma playability.  i downloaded the codec, but what do i do with them after that, do you know?
[23:53] <fifthelephant> there is a gnome equivalent of amarok, just cant remember the name right now
[23:55] <phil_> fifthelephant, thanks for the link.  looks like it will be helpful, but i've got to go.  thanks again
[23:55] <fifthelephant> for codecs i use the medibuntu repo's altho not 100% sure about wma,dont have any files here to check
[23:55] <fifthelephant> np,cya phil
[23:56] <gabenc> hola alguien q hable en español
[23:56] <jazumaru> que honda ?! gabenc
[23:56] <jazumaru> ??
[23:56] <gabenc> hola jazumaru
[23:57] <gabenc> de q se puede conversar aqui??
[23:57] <jazumaru> eres usuario experimentado en esto de linux???
[23:57] <gabenc> no recien empiezo
[23:57] <jazumaru> yo tambien
[23:58] <jazumaru> no sabes donde puedo consegir controladores
[23:58] <jazumaru> para una tarjeta grafica
[23:58] <gabenc> dejame buscar
[23:58] <jazumaru> con chips nvidia
[23:58] <jazumaru> ??
[23:58] <gabenc> que modelo
[23:58] <gabenc> ya te ayudo
[23:58] <jazumaru> 7200 gs