[00:17] <yuriy> anybody have a bluetooth mouse working on Intrepid?
[00:55] <MRcheese> is ext4 compiled into the kernel?
[00:55] <crimsun> no.
[00:58] <MRcheese> when will they add it
[00:59] <crimsun> no idea.  perhaps when the on-disk format has stabilised.
[00:59] <crimsun> definitely not before then without financial motivation.
[00:59] <G_009> 2.6.26-5 in stores now!
[00:59] <jbroome> i'm waiting for RAID ponies
[00:59] <crimsun> I've got your raid pony /right here/
[00:59] <crimsun> err
[01:00] <jbroome> actually, that'd be RAIP and that's just rude
[01:00] <MRcheese> oh well i will continue to use JFS then
[01:02] <MRcheese> could alpha 3 destory a partition?
[01:03] <crimsun> most certainly.
[01:03] <crimsun> 1) you tell it to delete a partition
[01:03] <crimsun> 3) profit
[01:05] <MRcheese> nm that was a dumb q
[01:06] <jbroome> i have become detoyer of worlds
[01:07] <MRcheese> haha too bad no one knows about jfs
[01:08] <crimsun> eh?
[01:08] <crimsun> lots of people do, most importantly the guys at IBM.
[01:09] <MRcheese> uses i meant
[01:09] <MRcheese> Its a great FS
[01:10] <crimsun> I do
[01:10] <crimsun> I used to lug around four or five usb mass storage devices.  At least a couple used JFS.
[01:12] <MRcheese> all i got to do is resize my 20GB ext3 partition to around 10GB and make a JFS partition for intrepid testing
[01:12] <G_009> distro destoyer is back
[01:13] <MRcheese> ext3 is a HUGE PIG
[01:14] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know if there is a way to tame down the system tracker so it doesn't use 14 gig of hd space to index files?
[01:14] <MRcheese> LOL ext3 uses close to 12GB on my filesystem for inodes
[01:15] <Sergeant_Pony> 14 gig seems excessive to me
[01:15] <Sergeant_Pony> especially for a laptop
[01:15] <G_009> wow, folks still having issues with bug 203593
[01:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 203593 in ubuntu "sudo: unable to resolve host HOSTNAME (dup-of: 32906)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203593
[01:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo fails if it cannot resolve the local hostname and no MTA is installed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32906
[01:17] <G_009> even though i have not seen it really happening on 8.10 it is common occurence for many 8.04 users
[01:17] <Sergeant_Pony> happened here... fixed it myself
[01:18] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure that has already been addressed in -updates
[01:18] <Sergeant_Pony> hi crimsun
[01:18] <crimsun> 'lo
[01:56] <MRcheese> how would i convince the ubuntu devs to update a package to a more up to date package?
[01:57] <MRcheese> or where would i?
[01:57] <coz_> MRcheese,  begging might help  .......just kidding :)
[01:57] <MRcheese> hmm its a filesystem util
[01:58] <coz_> MRcheese,  well this is as good a place as any or on the mailing list   you would probably need to give valid reasons and of course they will have reasons why they cant if that is thecase
[01:59] <Pici> MRcheese: file a bug against that package, the folks in #ubuntu-motu may be able to give you some insight as to what information they'd need to see in the bug report
[01:59] <MRcheese> k got to reboot though brb
[02:04] <tretle> how do I get rid of the display resolution applet from the panel?
[02:05] <RAOF> tretle: By waiting until the upstream bug has been fixed, I think.
[02:05] <tretle> :)
[02:05] <RAOF> You could kill gnome-settings-daemon, I suppose.
[02:05] <crdlb> excellent idea
[02:05] <tretle> no quick fix then?
[02:05] <RAOF> That's likely to have unwanted side-effects, though.  Like your desktop breaking and looking like arse.
[02:05] <RAOF> tretle: No.  No quick fix.
[02:06] <tretle> cool
[02:06] <RAOF> Well, you could patch it out & rebuild.  That'd be quick :)
[02:06] <tretle> is network manager moving to 0.7 for intrepids release or will it stay at 0.6
[02:06] <tretle> ?
[02:07] <RAOF> Dunno.  I think this depends on the state of nm 0.7
[02:07] <tretle> cool
[02:08] <tretle> and is there any chance that packages like anjuta will be updated before its release, thought it was a bit odd that the old build of an ide was being used on an unstable build of ubuntu?
[02:10] <RAOF> tretle: Possibly.  Although it's possible that no-one who cares knows about it; is there an upgrade bug on launchpad?  Is there a new version in Debian?
[02:14] <primitive> just installed intrepid and i am having some issues with my display flickering every time i launch an application
[02:15] <tretle> well 2.4 something is in the repos right now, the latest stable release was 2.50 and Im sure there is another stable release coming up as there seems to be one every month
[02:15] <tretle> next release will support vala
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[03:12] <DanaG> WTF happened to my media keyboard functionality?
[03:13] <crimsun> I ate it.  mm, crunchy.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> bad crimsun!
[03:15] <crimsun> don't blame me.  It didn't look like a sound bug, so I figured it was safe to eat.
[03:19] <DanaG> How do I fix my gnome-settings-daemon?
[03:20] <crimsun> well, first check that something didn't do a recursive reset on System> Preferences> Keyboard Shortcuts
[03:20] <crimsun> recursive unset*
[03:20] <DanaG> I just went and rebound them, and the keycodes haven't changed.
[03:20] <DanaG> Oddly enough, they're still getting through to xev.
[03:24] <DanaG> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:11273): DEBUG: Unable to parse: 'XF86AudioMedia'
[03:24] <DanaG> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:11273): DEBUG: Not a valid shortcut: ''
[03:24] <DanaG> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:11273): DEBUG: Not a valid shortcut: 'disabled'
[03:29] <DanaG> Hmm, I figured out how to disable the "screen with triangle tool" icon thingy.
[03:49] <primitive> does anyone have any experience with a flickering (total blackout) whenever an application or dialog is launched in intrepid?
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[03:54] <Dedi> wah kdeplasma-addons needs to get packaged
[03:55] <Dedi> primitive: yes i do too
[03:56] <primitive> any ideas on how to fix it?
[03:56] <Dedi> nope :)
[03:56] <primitive> been playing around with xorg, but no luck so far
[03:57] <primitive> maybe has to do with compviz?
[03:58] <RAOF> primitive: I'm pretty sure it's doing a load-detect on your outputs; that blinks some monitors.
[03:58] <primitive> ok, can u elaborate?
[03:58] <RAOF> Not really, that's it.
[03:59] <RAOF> It seems to be trying to work out what outputs have monitors attached, causing your blinks.  That's the limit of my guesstimation.
[03:59] <primitive> cool
[03:59] <primitive> you think i should file a bug report?
[04:00] <primitive> using this as a guideline https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[04:00] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure there's at least one report already; find it and subscribe to it.
[04:00] <primitive> searched, found one, but it was revering to drop down menus and garbling of the display
[04:00] <primitive> will search again
[04:01] <primitive> i'm updating my packages as well, to see if anything might have been fixed
[04:03] <primitive> found one, you were correct
[04:03] <primitive> found it in google though, not launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/245383)
[04:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 245383 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Screen flickers when loading applications" [Undecided,New]
[04:10] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/182704
[04:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 182704 in gnome-control-center "Multimedia Keys Don't Work" [High,New]
[04:24] <DanaG> Works only with num lock off.
[04:26] <hiredgoon> stupid shaw
[04:29] <_Zeuz_> where can I change the Ubuntu Icon from gnome panel?
[04:34] <burner> _Zeuz_: it's based upon your icon theme
[04:35] <_Zeuz_> burner, I know but from ~/.icons and the theme folder I've changed the file, still haven't seen any difference
[04:35] <burner> sure it was the right file? :)
[04:35] <burner> load a different icon theme and then back to teh oen you were editing?
[04:36] <_Zeuz_> tried that, still the icon from the theme that I don't want remains
[04:36]  * burner shrugs
[04:45] <eca> i accidentally killed xdm with services-admin program (thought it said kdm). upon reboot i get a blank screen. i can start it with /etc/init.d/xdm start, if i reboot in recovery mode. but when i boot in normal mode it still doesnt work. the internet is also not working. i tried apt-get remove then install to no avail aswell
[04:47] <eca> apt-get remove/install xdm that is
[04:51] <burner> eca: can't you turn it back on with services-admin?
[04:52] <eca> it give me an error when using any program. ill get exact reason
[04:55] <eca> after login it says "internal error: failed to initialize (hal)" then when trying to open services-admin it says "you are not allowed to acces the system configuration"
[04:57] <eca> i also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:00] <eca> *doesnt give me an error when opening non system configuration programs
[05:01] <eca> and im running them with sudo
[05:20] <eca> holy crap i fixed it by copying S99xdm from rc3.d to rc2.d because i noticed was missing in that folder
[05:21]  * eca pats himself on the back
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[06:17] <DanaG> wtf... epiphany-webkit can't do authentication?
[06:17] <DanaG> 401 Authorization Required
[06:17] <DanaG> This server could not verify that you are authorized to access. Either you supplied the wrong credentials(e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required.
[06:17] <DanaG> It didn't ASK me for a username or password.
[06:17] <crdlb> yes, it really can't
[06:17] <crdlb> that hardly should be surpising given all the other things that don't work
[06:18] <DanaG> Tabs... windows...
[06:18] <LSD|Ninja> It's epiphany. The user isn't supposed to think about stuff like that. They're meant to sit down, shut up and browse.
[06:18] <DanaG> Hmm...
[06:18] <DanaG> you try browsing with it...
[06:18] <DanaG> all you can ever get is ONE window.
[06:19] <DanaG> There's no middle-click, and no open-in-new-window or tab.
[06:19] <crdlb> it _does_ have tabs, although not middle click for a tab
[06:19] <crdlb> it's not done
[06:19] <DanaG> But something as basic as login... surely that should be worked on?
[06:19] <DanaG> Or is it not really basic?
[06:20] <crdlb> ephy-webkit will not be ready for 2.24
[06:20] <crdlb> mainly it's webkit-gtk which is missing the API needed
[06:21] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I recently tried Compiz-Fusion on the old GeForce 4 420 Go, which is really mostly a GeForce 2.
[06:21] <DanaG> It actually works pretty well.
[06:24] <LSD|Ninja> It does. Certainly better than creaky old plain X on the same set up. Only reason I put up with it, it's the lesser of two evils.
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[07:01] <DanaG> epiphany-webkit also just downloads files to the desktop... without notice, and without prompting.
[07:04] <crdlb> DanaG: http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/WebKit/TODO
[07:07] <DanaG> oh yeah, I had to make a udev rule to make my audigy2 card safely removable.
[07:08] <DanaG> When I get my new laptop in the Fall, I'll be done with needing that card (and will have to replace it with something else), so I can give it to whoever can make the best use of it.
[07:09] <DanaG> For some reason, the driver does not completely clean up after itself when you remove the cardbus card.
[07:09] <DanaG> I have to actually unload the module, or else I get an oops on re-insertion.... and then a panic upon second removal.
[07:11] <RAOF> DanaG: It's cardbus?
[07:12] <RAOF> DanaG: My laptop would _love_ a soundcard that didn't noticably increase the background hum when I press a key.
[07:13] <DanaG> I want to also help fix things on it.  For example, the stereo mix capture merely gets noise.
[07:13] <DanaG> I had this horrid noise in my captured audio for some reason.....
[07:13] <DanaG> it turns out I had to mute the "PCM" capture.
[07:20] <DanaG> Oh yeah, PulseAudio also insists on using the 'mic' input on the thing, and refuses to use Line.
[07:25] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder what advantages UEFI offers to the user over traditional BIOS.
[07:25] <DanaG> That rEFIt thingy looks cool... but it's all about Apple, Apple, Apple.  I'm not going with them.
[07:25] <DanaG> Apple does this.  Apple does that...... but what about other manufacturers who use EFI / UEFI?
[07:26] <DanaG> ... and what does the "U" even stand for?
[07:28]  * DanaG wishes somebody would make an ExpressCard sound card.... that's not Creative.
[07:29] <DanaG> In my mind, Creative is scum.  I'll spare the rant itself, and just say.... look at their forums.
[07:43] <LSD|Ninja> DanaG: Unified I believe
[07:46] <RAOF> DanaG: The reason why it's all "apple, apple, apple" is that _no-one_ else uses EFI, at least on consumer stuff.
[07:47] <LSD|Ninja> It's there, but no one is using it to the extent that Apple are. At least publically.
[07:47] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:47] <DanaG> That's the key word: consumer.
[07:48] <DanaG> HP's new Elitebook offers "UEFI Boot Mode"
[07:48] <LSD|Ninja> The major holdup is that most versions of Windows can't boot from it natively
[07:48] <DanaG> It's a business laptop.
[07:48] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: Is it _actually_ all there?  There's certainly support for it in a variety of places, but who actually shipps EFI stuff.
[07:48] <DanaG> http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/results.htm?SID=3688868&MEID=5C316DB1-6B5B-4C11-9F68-807A3979A6CE
[07:51] <DanaG> Another nifty feature: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01471860&lc=en&cc=sg&lang=en&product=3641274&dlc=en
[07:58] <LSD|Ninja> Hmm... I was under the impression Lenovo were already shipping machines with EFI but I can't seem to find to back that up...
[08:14] <catweazle> !keys
[08:14] <ubottu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[08:18] <DanaG> Mmm, boot from SD card.
[08:19] <RAOF> Eh; USB's fine.
[08:20] <DanaG> Well, you don't see SD-card boot very often.  It's interesting that they bothered with it.
[08:20] <DanaG> I wonder why.
[08:23] <RAOF> Binary search FTW!
[08:23] <DanaG> Interesting feature: keep hard drive spun down while lid is closed.
[08:23] <LSD|Ninja> Does it support USB boot? My guess would be that it's probably not too much of a stretch to include SD boot if they're already including USB boot
[08:24] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: Probably not.  I don't know if mine includes SD boot; i've never even put an sd card into the reader.
[08:28] <DanaG> Interesting: "An extra layer of security, power-on authentication requires users to identify themselves with passwords, Smart Cards or TPM before the operating system will even start."
[08:28] <DanaG> I just wish the kernel driver for their accelerometer would get somewhere in development.
[08:28] <DanaG> It's currently floating around as miscellaneous threads on LKML.
[08:32] <DanaG> Heh, webcam as business card reader.
[08:38] <RAOF> Who feels like reading 30Gb worth of debug trace?
[08:43] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Network probems? :)
[08:47] <Hobbsee> RAOF: no - i wanted clarke, not kubrick, so i manually specified.
[08:48] <RAOF> What's wrong with poor kubirck? :)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> RAOF: seeing as my server is in fremont, it makes sense for me to connect to the irc server in fremont, not the one in LA :P
[08:48] <RAOF> Hah!  Success!  Hurray for log_2 search.
[08:49] <RAOF> And that log is a mere 5.2x10^6 lines.
[09:07] <s0ullight> what alpha version is intrepid ibex at the moment?
[09:07] <TheInfinity> alpha3
[09:07] <RAOF> Well, not really, but that's a useful lie.
[09:08] <s0ullight> whats the situation with wireless networking
[09:08] <s0ullight> and X
[09:09] <RAOF> That's really for you to tell us :)
[09:09] <RAOF> Neither wireless nor X has broken for me during the Intrepid cycle (yet).
[09:10] <RAOF> They have broken for any number of other people, though.
[09:10] <s0ullight> im in turkey atm. hollidays. so im not using linux now
[09:10] <TheInfinity> RAOF: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ <-- and what alpha is else the current one?
[09:10] <TheInfinity> RAOF: the non existing alpha4? :p
[09:10] <s0ullight> are the nvidia drivers fixed?
[09:10] <G_009> same here.. except i have only tried wifi on 64bit version
[09:11] <RAOF> TheInfinity: Neither alpha3 nor alpha4; both numbers are wrong :)
[09:11] <TheInfinity> RAOF: and what is this at this link? :p
[09:11] <s0ullight> lets just use alpha 3
[09:12] <RAOF> I've got a fully up-to-date Intrepid system; it's not what you'd get by installing from the alpha 3 cd.
[09:12] <RAOF> But this is really semantics.
[09:13] <RAOF> But semantics that are regularly reinforced by people misunderstanding the rather arbitrary existance of "alpha _x_" :)
[09:13] <s0ullight> is the touchpad issue fixed in this ubuntu or do i still need 2 bootparameters?
[09:14] <RAOF> Again, I've never had a touchpad issue.
[09:14] <G_009> i care about the meaning of "up-to-date
[09:14] <RAOF> These questions are more likely to be usefully asked of the search functionality of Launchpad.
[09:15] <TheInfinity> RAOF: oh wow what a difference :p
[09:15] <s0ullight> when using syntapic kind of touchpads scroll and holding mousebutton sometimes fail
[09:15] <s0ullight> bug in ubuntu kernel
[09:15] <s0ullight> i had it in hardy
[09:16] <RAOF> s0ullight: Well, I've been using a synaptics touchpad and haven't noticed anything of the kind.  Unless it's reported in Launchpad, though, it's only been fixed by mistake.
[09:16] <s0ullight> :D
[09:17] <RAOF> Note that I didn't notice anything of the kind in Hardy, either, so it's entireyl possible that your bug hasn't been fixed.
[09:18] <s0ullight> well im not the only one with that bug
[09:18] <RAOF> But is it on launchpad?
[09:18] <RAOF> If it is, that's where information about it will be stored.
[09:18] <s0ullight> found the solution in the ubuntu forums lemme check
[09:18] <RAOF> if it isn't, no one's working on fixing it.
[09:20] <s0ullight> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=844968 this is what worked for me
[09:21] <RAOF> But is it reported in launchpad?
[09:22] <s0ullight> i dont know
[09:22] <RAOF> That's where you should be going to work out if it's fixed or not.  (And if it's not reported yet, it should be).
[09:22] <s0ullight> there are reports about non detected touchpads but didnt see this
[09:26] <s0ullight> RAOF: i have to register and so on
[09:28] <DanaG> One of my touchpad buttons is sometimes unreliable.....
[09:29] <DanaG> but it's most likely a hardware issue.
[09:29] <s0ullight> DanaG: you can never be sure
[09:29] <DanaG> It sometimes does it in Windows, too.
[09:29] <s0ullight> try the link to see if that brings a solution
[09:29] <DanaG> And in OS X (yay, hackintosh).
[09:30]  * DanaG greatly prefers Ubuntu over Apple's thing -- Apple makes stuff overly simplistic sometimes.
[09:30] <s0ullight> true
[09:30] <DanaG> I ran into such an issue today.... but I don't remember what it was.
[09:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it was Finder -- there's no "default view mode" option!
[09:31]  * DanaG hugs Nautilus.... especially the new version.
[09:31] <s0ullight> apple has great products with great specifications but they mostly forget the most common things
[09:32] <DanaG> <insert "only one button?" rant here>
[09:35]  * G_009 is going to try s0ullight 's pointed out workaround. touchpad doesnt scroll 
[09:36] <s0ullight> G_009: let me know if it works
[09:36] <G_009> sounds pretty straight forward~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[09:37] <G_009> blame that
[09:37] <G_009> on the
[09:37] <G_009> cat
[09:38] <DanaG> meow
[09:43] <stefanlsd> Can apt show a changelog for a package?
[09:52] <G_009>  no results.
[09:52] <s0ullight> also tryed the link in the link?
[09:53] <G_009> first tried adding it directly via editing grub on bootup .. second try was editing menu.lst itself. nada
[09:54] <G_009> didnt see that one .. reading ...
[09:54] <s0ullight> :D
[10:02] <RAOF> stefanlsd: Yes.  Well, with aptitude (aptitude changelog package)
[10:03] <stefanlsd> RAOF: thanks. works
[10:05] <G_009> removing psmouse module works for me.. good going.. all i have left is to modify modprobe
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[10:07] <G_009> let me rephrase removing psmouse module and modifying modprobe with psmouse rate=50 proto=imps
[10:07] <s0ullight> :D
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[10:08] <G_009> i had stopped looking for a workaround for a while .. so cheers to you s0ullight
[10:09] <G_009> i might use a hight rate value though
[10:09] <G_009> s/hight/higher
[10:09] <s0ullight> G_009: can you look it up in launchpad and add them if they are not listed?
[10:09] <G_009> i could
[10:10]  * G_009 eats tuna_sammich
[10:10] <s0ullight> cuz i have to leave the place soon and im in hollidays so
[10:10] <G_009> i'll look into it
[10:19] <s0ullight> G_009: hope you ll help others btw damn this weird keyboard
[10:59] <G_009> system>shutdown still only logs off user
[10:59] <G_009> err
[11:00] <G_009> system>shutdown then choosing restart only logs out user
[11:03] <LSD|Ninja> yeah, annoying that
[11:23] <BUGabundo> is fuse.gvfs mount in / or in /home?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> please see http://fileland.bugabundo.net/temp/Screenshot-SystemMonitor.png
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[13:29] <aguitel> i am using intrepid 64 bits in amd 64 and every time when it boot heard noise in my hard disk ( only 15 seconds) anyone know about this ?
[13:36] <catweazle> aguitel: could it be the pc-speaker? there is a known bug
[13:36] <aguitel> catweazle, anyway to desable pc -speaker ?
[13:37] <aguitel> catweazle, disable i say
[13:37] <catweazle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/242966
[13:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 242966 in pulseaudio "snd_pcsp can take precedence of soundcards" [High,Triaged]
[13:40] <aguitel> catweazle, the noise is inside the pc and some times ocurrs when firefox is running (some sites) and when i sut down firefox it stops (the noise)
[14:39] <Hew> Is there a screenshot of what Kubuntu Intrepid looks like anywhere? I've tried searching the net but amazingly without a satisfactory result. I'd like to compare what it's meant to look like with what it actually looks like for me.
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[14:55] <constrictor> Hew are you unhappy with what yours looks like?
[14:56] <Hew> constrictor: Yes, but I think that's because it's broken and theme-less
[14:56] <constrictor> ah
[14:56] <constrictor> i can't seem to find any either
[14:57] <Hew> I installed kubuntu-desktop on a gnome-ubuntu system; there are problems in both environments
[14:57] <constrictor> well my new human just looks like a generic gnome theme
[14:57] <Hew> constrictor: this is on gnome or kde ubuntu?
[14:58] <constrictor> but having said that i'm still in the upgrade process so i'm assuming after a reboot it should look like it's supposed to
[14:58] <constrictor> gnome
[14:58] <Hew> I got the NewHuman dark theme fine on gnome. Looks impressive :-)
[14:58] <Hew> ah ok
[14:58] <constrictor> might need to rebot my lappie then
[14:58] <Hew> I would think it applies immediately, but maybe you need to restart X
[14:58] <constrictor> my thoughts too
[14:59] <constrictor> i'll wait for it to finish
[14:59] <constrictor> actually it's replacing metacity as well
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> As of now kubuntu Intrepid looks exactly like the KDE 4.1 defautl desktop
[14:59] <constrictor> that might be why
[15:01] <Hew> JontheEchidna: If I run firefox / synaptic / gnome apps, the toolbars look like there is no theme applied
[15:01] <Hew> Is this normal / known?
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> install gtk-qt--engine-kde4
[15:02] <Hew> I can imagine there are problems running gnome-specific apps on KDE, but I would have thought firefox and synaptic were interchangeable
[15:02] <Hew> ok
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> and configure it in systemsettings
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> in the appearance section
[15:04] <Hew> gtk-qt-engine-kde4/intrepid uptodate 1.1-0ubuntu1
[15:04] <Hew> already installed
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, forgot it doesn't work in intrepid
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> needs to be repackaged
[15:06] <Hew> yea found the appearance section again (I'm slow, new to KDE :P); I've been here before but doesn't seem to change anything
[15:06] <Hew> JontheEchidna: So is this a known issue? I'm active on launchpad and would like to follow this up
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah, lemme see if I can't find the bug
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> bug 250662
[15:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 250662 in gtk-qt-engine-kde4 "[intrepid KDE4] gtk-qt-engine put files in wrong place" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250662
[15:07] <Hew> I just haven't had experience with the gnome/kde interaction before so was unsure if this was a problem or not
[15:07] <Hew> thanks
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[15:41] <G_009> updates time!
[15:42] <G_009> yay.. one for dbus
[16:05] <LocutusOfBorg> can I ask for a bug???
[16:09] <LocutusOfBorg> I run under ubuntu intrepid ibex, but I cannot usa tty1 to 6
[16:09] <LocutusOfBorg> no problem with graphics
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> any idea?
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/253661
[16:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 253661 in ubuntu "tty 1-6 does not work with a Ati Radeon 9600 pro" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:13] <ikonia> LocutusOfBorg: if you boot into a text mode, can you use them ?
[16:13] <LocutusOfBorg> no
[16:13] <LocutusOfBorg> only graphical way
[16:14] <LocutusOfBorg> i should wait
[16:14] <Hobbsee> you should run hardy, as you clearly don't know what you're doing.
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> now I'm under hardy
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> but I use ibex without problem
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> only tty are not working
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg> no problem under "graphical bash"
[16:17] <Hobbsee> bash is not graphical.
[16:19] <ikonia> LocutusOfBorg: what are you talking about your not using it without a problem as your in here logging bugs and don't know what to do
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> Hobbsee, I mean I start bash under tty7
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> ikonia, I've submitted this report for this reason
[16:21] <mvo> LocutusOfBorg: when the grub screen comes up, try editing the grub line (right at bootup) and remove the "splash" there. that will give you a boot without the splash screen and that may fix the problem
[16:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if G_009 comes back, tell him/her that the 'rate' protocol is an optional thing on psmouse -- if you don't use it, it's better because it uses events instead of polling.
[16:22] <LocutusOfBorg> ok mvo
[16:26] <mvo> LocutusOfBorg: if that fixes the issues, please make sure to put that information into the bugreport so that this information is recorded :)
[16:27] <LocutusOfBorg> this will be the first thing... :)
[16:33] <ikonia> mvo_: what suggested to you that the boot splash would effect the ability to swap terminals from within an X environment ?
[16:37] <mvo_> ikonia: I thought I did read in the bugreport that the ttys are garbaled when switched to them did I misread that?
[16:48] <LSD|Ninja> There are all kinds of weird splash bugs in Intrepid at the moment. Ther've been a few updates to usplash though so they do seem to be working on it
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg> that's right... :D
[16:48] <ikonia> LSD|Ninja: but how does that match anything thats said above ?
[16:49] <LocutusOfBorg> i didn't upgrade my ibex for 4 days and today I got 107 MB of updates... :)
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> mvo_, I'll try to reboot
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks to everyone
[16:54] <mvo_> good luck
[16:55] <LocutusOfBorg> 10q
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[17:02] <LocutusOfBorg> it seems to be working
[17:03] <LocutusOfBorg> without splash flag
[17:43] <penguin42> is the Ibex alpha reasonably stable, i.e. on the current version does it mostly work or is there anything major particularly broken?
[17:45] <LocutusOfBorg> penguin42, I'm running under ibex alpha 3
[17:45] <LocutusOfBorg> only a little bug on  text mode (slved just now)
[17:45] <LocutusOfBorg> but I've read something about bug... :/
[17:45] <LSD|Ninja> penguin42: lots of things are broken, it depends on what you use
[17:46] <penguin42> now there are two opposing views :-)
[17:46] <LocutusOfBorg> penguin42, I don't think is stable
[17:46] <LocutusOfBorg> I agree with LSD|Ninja
[17:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I say only that I've no problem
[17:47] <LocutusOfBorg> Now i'll reboot... to see if the ati drivers works.. .:)
[17:47] <LSD|Ninja> It's mostly just little things at the moment, at least for me. It's impossible to say that it's anywhere near production quality though
[17:48] <penguin42> LSD|Ninja: Like?
[17:49]  * penguin42 would like to see whether some of the things that annoy him in Hardy are fixed
[17:49] <LSD|Ninja> penguin42: Like? :P
[17:49] <penguin42> oh nspluginwrapper is particularly touchy (a known fixed is in the upstream release)
[17:52] <LocutusOfBorg> still no problem... :)
[17:55] <penguin42> right, I'll come back in a couple of weeks
[17:55] <LocutusOfBorg> still no problem...
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[19:24] <kallu> anyone having issues with plasmoids in kde 4.1
[19:25] <kallu> mine some plasmoids are n't starting properly .. instead a black dot is appearing
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> kallu: which plasmoids?
[19:29] <kallu> JontheEchidna, every thing except few like clock, trash ... folderview etc are not working
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache policy kdeplasma-addons , please
[19:30] <kallu> kdeplasma-addons:
[19:30] <kallu>   Installed: 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1
[19:30] <kallu>   Candidate: 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1
[19:30] <kallu>   Version table:
[19:30] <kallu>  *** 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu1 0
[19:30] <kallu>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
[19:31] <kallu>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:31] <kallu>      4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1 0
[19:31] <kallu>         500 ftp://ftp.iitb.ac.in intrepid/main Packages
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> those might need a rebuild
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> (kdebase-plasma and kdeplasma-addons)
[19:59] <negge> * Updated the gtkrc and metacity configs a bit to fix a few known problems (off-white backgrounds for text editor and other apps) <-- why did they make the theme so goddamn ugly?
[19:59] <negge> I'm talking about the human-theme package?
[19:59] <negge> -?
[20:28] <lymeca> Hi, I've got the latest 2.6.26 kernel in Intrepid, but it won't boot.
[20:28] <lymeca> It keeps saying right after being selecting in GRUB
[20:28] <lymeca> "PCI: Not using MMconfig"
[20:28] <lymeca> and it just sits there and won't boot.
[20:28] <lymeca> I've tried this with every 2.6.26 kernel in INtrepid and none of them have worked, up to the latest.
[20:36] <sioux> http://towers.corinthia.cz/hotel/en/  nice hotels... who payed the bill?
[20:37] <sioux> :-)
[20:54] <borschty> i'm trying to find out if /dev/.static/dev is mounted ro only on my machines or if it is a general problem in intrepid, could somebody please tell me the output of "cat /proc/mounts | grep .static"
[20:58] <sioux> a intrepid low deley kernel will be available?
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