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| persia | RIght. Looks like the AMD Geode is a i586, so the lpia kernel probably won't work. | 09:53 |
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| gonzopancho | yup | 09:54 |
| persia | I suspect it's the same situation as the C7-M, in that hardy doesn't quite work right. | 09:54 |
| persia | The problem is that most of the packages are specially customised to behave differently on the lpia architecture. | 09:55 |
| persia | Given the number of Geode and C7-M users, this seems to be a source of frustration for many. | 09:55 |
| gonzopancho | right, but there has to be some way to completely rebuild from source with the right switches set, no? | 09:55 |
| amitk | persia: and lpiacompat kernel doesn't work either? | 09:55 |
| gonzopancho | haven't tried, waiting on hw (next week) | 09:55 |
| persia | amitk: On i586? You'd know better than I. Doesn't boot on C7-M. I've not heard about Geode specifically. | 09:56 |
| persia | gonzopancho: You could certainly rebuild everything from source, but you might do as well to convince your machine that it is "lpia" anyway, and run a regular kernel and lpia userspace. | 09:57 |
| gonzopancho | and... how would I go about doing that? | 09:58 |
| persia | Umm. That's the part I don't know :) My HW is lpia (although I sometimes run i386 on it). I think you'd have to debootstrap lpia onto the target disk, and manually copy the i386 kernel, but there may be more to it. | 10:00 |
| amitk | persia: should work on the geode since we have a M586 processor as default in the config. It would be interesting to find out the actually boot problem | 10:05 |
| gonzopancho | ok, when hw arrives, I'll report back. | 10:06 |
| amitk | in order to support more HW, we could lose a few more optimizations if required | 10:06 |
| persia | amitk: I thought lpia was i686 only. If it also supports i586, how does it differ from i386? | 10:08 |
| amitk | persia: lpia doesn't do out-of-order execution | 10:09 |
| amitk | lpiacompat was created so that users of other devices could play with UME without owning lpia HW | 10:10 |
| gonzopancho | does "play with" == "not supported"? | 10:11 |
| persia | amitk: Aha! So lpiacompat is supposed to work on Geode, C7-M, etc.? | 10:12 |
| persia | gonzopancho: support is a tricky thing. Let's say that it should work. | 10:13 |
| amitk | persia: "supposed to work" is tricky thing. :) We made it work with the Samsung Q1s so we could get started with UME work, but if we can, we should certainly extend it to other devices. | 10:17 |
| persia | amitk: Isn't the Q1 a A110 part? That's i686+ | 10:18 |
| persia | I'm just confused about the definition of "lpia". If it is special because of the 1GB memory limit, and the in-order execution, and the instruction set assumptions, it is useful. If that's not the case, I don't understand. | 10:20 |
| amitk | lpia is the architecture created (for buildds) with the above constraints, gcc flags, etc. Inside that we have two flavours for kernels - lpia and lpiacompat. lpia requires real HW, lpiacompat was a pseudo flavour to allow us to run all this code on non-lpia machines. So lpiacompat doesn't necessarily have these constraints. | 10:27 |
| amitk | persia: hope that made sense... | 10:28 |
| persia | I see, so lpia is a real architecture, but the lpiacompat kernel is supposed to allow one to run lpia on i386 (kinda like how some people run i386 with an amd64 kernel). | 10:29 |
| amitk | right.. | 10:31 |
| persia | amitk: Thanks. I'll advise people with C7-M and the like to try lpiacompat. If that doesn't work, bugs may be filed. | 10:34 |
| ogra | persia, i can try geode if you need it, i have two gedoe systems here now (just got a new GX last week at the ltsp hackfest and have an older LX around since a while) | 11:15 |
| ogra | the usual prob is not the CPU wth them but the fact that we dont really have stable X drivers .... (the LX should now work with the recent hardy-updates packages though) | 11:16 |
| ogra | also they *work* with 686 but not in any acceptable performance level | 11:18 |
| persia | ogra: Could you try lpia on Geode with the lpiacompat kernel? Just to verify boot & hildon-desktop launch. If it works, I'll stop telling people not to do that. If it doesn't work, we found a bug. | 11:18 |
| persia | Geode can run i686? All the docs I found said they were i586. Are there both sorts of Geodes? | 11:18 |
| ogra | well, i assume you will have something like 5min boottime with 686 ande your mouns wont actually move as fast as you expect etc | 11:19 |
| ogra | i have some seen booting 686 though, but for a usable system 686 is not an option on them | 11:19 |
| ogra | well, i just got the GX, i can only talk about LX from experience the GX still sits in its box in my bag :) | 11:20 |
| ogra | but i suspect to 99.9% that none of the graphics drivers we have in any image will actually drive them anyway | 11:21 |
| ogra | that will require tinkering (an di actually got the GX because its known to not work on hardy at all) | 11:22 |
| ogra | s/mouns/mouse/ :) | 11:26 |
| * ogra needs coffee | 11:26 | |
| persia | ogra: Ah. If it's *known* not to work then perhaps it's not the best test :) | 11:28 |
| ogra | right, LX will work with the latest drivers from -updates | 11:28 |
| ogra | but the GX wont ... | 11:28 |
| ogra | intrepid is a different thing ... i will have to check that for ltsp anyway though so can tell within the next days | 11:30 |
| ogra | it is supposed to be better, but there are some probs with the PCI detection code for them i heard | 11:31 |
| persia | OK. No rush. The seeds are still being mangled for intrepid: there's no ubuntu-mobile to install today (or wasn't last I updated my intrepid apt cache) | 11:31 |
| ogra | do we have a pubic branch of the builder i can just checkout and run to get an image ? | 11:32 |
| persia | https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/livecd-rootfs/trunk should workd. Mind you, it misses two weeks of local fixes: maybe poke for an update. | 11:33 |
| ogra | hum, i need to run livecd.sh and then build_ume_image ? why didnt he just make build_ume_image a wraper that does everything in one go ? | 11:37 |
| ogra | hmm and handing over the UUID to casper should speed up booting of the installer image a lot | 11:39 |
| ogra | oh, he does that, just not on the kernel commandline | 11:40 |
| pd | hello everyone. is someone in here who can tell me who is responsible for the bluez-utils package? | 13:55 |
| mterry | pd: I don't know exactly who maintains it, but I've dealt with it a few times... | 14:16 |
| mterry | pd: The package lists the following uploaders: Edd Dumbill <ejad@debian.org>, Filippo Giunchedi <filippo@debian.org>, Mario Iseli <mario@debian.org> | 14:17 |
| pd | mterry, but they are only responsible for the debianpackage not the ubuntu one? | 14:18 |
| pd | mterry, i hit a bug with the package and found that it is caused by a small bug for which is a patch avaible over a month | 14:19 |
| mterry | pd: Yeah. Looking at the debian/changelog file, you can see stevenk and lool touch it a lot | 14:19 |
| pd | everything is well documented at launchpad | 14:19 |
| pd | but noone seems to care about it | 14:19 |
| mterry | pd: Sounds like StevenK or lool are good people to poke until they care | 14:20 |
| pd | hehe | 14:20 |
| pd | the patch is only a 3 liner.... it shoulnd be too hard to add it ;-) | 14:20 |
| StevenK | pd: What's the bug number? I'll upload it tomorrow | 14:21 |
| pd | hi StevenK, its bug nummer 211252 and here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/211252/comments/81 is the comment with the patch to fix a problem with bluez-utils that made serial connections undiscoverable | 14:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 211252 in obex-data-server "Cannot recieve files using bluetooth" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:23 |
| StevenK | pd: Okay, I'll sort it out | 14:24 |
| pd | the topic is not really complete... maybe there are several problems which the bug solves... | 14:25 |
| pd | okay thanks a lot steven! | 14:26 |
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| persia | Meeting in 10 minutes. Oddly enough, we're having it here this week (due to a conflict) | 16:51 |
| mkrufky | is there an agenda this time? | 16:55 |
| persia | Yep. | 16:56 |
| mkrufky | :-) ok, i'll wait and see | 16:56 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080731 | 16:56 |
| mkrufky | heh... looks a lot like last week's | 16:57 |
| persia | mkrufky: Has an item in it this week. More could go there, but nobody seems to raise anything for discussion. There's still three minutes for a quick edit if you want to add something. | 16:57 |
| mkrufky | unfortunately, all my pending issues are specific to the sub-project .... nothing really in general... but im interested in sitting in on these while i can, and would be happy to discuss any tv related stuff if anything comes up | 16:58 |
| mkrufky | iow... nope, i got nothing to add :-) | 16:59 |
| persia | OK. Let's get started. | 17:00 |
| persia | #startmeeting | 17:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:04. The chair is persia. | 17:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:01 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080731 | 17:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080731 | 17:01 |
| persia | No action items from last week | 17:01 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Change of meeting time | 17:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Change of meeting time | 17:01 |
| persia | davidm, who can't be here this week, asked that we adjust the meeting time to be a bit earlier. 12:00 UTC was suggested. | 17:02 |
| persia | Does this time work better or worse for anyone? | 17:02 |
| persia | (It's better for me) | 17:02 |
| cgregan | 1200 UTC I thought it was 1100 | 17:03 |
| persia | cgregan: Could be 11:00 Is that better for you? | 17:04 |
| cgregan | no | 17:04 |
| cgregan | 1200 is ok | 17:04 |
| persia | Well then :) | 17:04 |
| persia | Anyone else? | 17:04 |
| cgregan | here the text from the email: We have a green light for this so I'd like to propose that we move it to 06:00 CDT (11:00 UTC) Thursdays. | 17:05 |
| cgregan | Unfortunately it says 1100 :-( | 17:05 |
| persia | cgregan: I'm not worried about email :p | 17:05 |
| cgregan | hehe | 17:06 |
| cgregan | David might have chosen 1100 because of his schedule | 17:06 |
| cgregan | Not sure he will make it to 1200 | 17:06 |
| persia | Anyway. Anyone here who would find 12:00 inconvenient? | 17:06 |
| cgregan | I think we are the only two here! I'm good with 1200 | 17:07 |
| persia | OK. Then. Since the only objection is that someone who isn't here might prefer a time that is more inconvenient for someone who is here, we'll go with 12:00. | 17:08 |
| cgregan | Sweet! | 17:08 |
| persia | [AGREED] Henceforth, meetings will be 12:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting (when available) | 17:08 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Henceforth, meetings will be 12:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting (when available) | 17:08 |
| persia | [TOPIC] Other Business | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Other Business | 17:08 |
| persia | Anyone have any last-minute items to add? | 17:08 |
| cgregan | maybe | 17:09 |
| cgregan | Any information on specs for UME Intrepid? | 17:09 |
| cgregan | Is there a wiki | 17:09 |
| cgregan | any decisions made? | 17:09 |
| persia | Err. There ought be, although I'm not sure which specs are for intrepid. | 17:09 |
| persia | cgregan: Would you be willing to select some specs for intrepid for presentation/review at the next meeting? | 17:10 |
| cgregan | sure | 17:10 |
| persia | [ACTION] cgregan to select some specs for intrepid | 17:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cgregan to select some specs for intrepid | 17:10 |
| persia | OK. Anything else? | 17:10 |
| cgregan | I'm good | 17:10 |
| persia | Thanks all for coming. See you next week, with actual content planned :) | 17:11 |
| persia | #endmeeting | 17:11 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:14. | 17:11 |
| cgregan | Thanks for hosting | 17:11 |
| Maverick2k | I have one question outside the meeting | 17:11 |
| persia | Maverick2k: Sure. Meetings over. Ask your question. | 17:11 |
| Maverick2k | what are the consequences of this message | 17:12 |
| Maverick2k | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3713000918.html?kc=rss | 17:12 |
| Maverick2k | that the moblin project is shifting from ubuntu too fedora | 17:12 |
| persia | Maverick2k: That's a very open-ended question :) | 17:12 |
| Maverick2k | the mobile stuff on the site of ubuntu will continue? | 17:13 |
| Maverick2k | for the MIDs | 17:13 |
| Maverick2k | etc | 17:13 |
| Maverick2k | ? | 17:13 |
| persia | Personally, I think it means that Intel will be building their packages for Fedora, and we'll be working with them as we do with any other upstream. | 17:13 |
| persia | Oh, certainly. There's no reason to stop doing Ubuntu on the smaller devices just because of some press releases. | 17:14 |
| Maverick2k | i'm very new, so I was just curious | 17:15 |
| Maverick2k | thnx for your anwser | 17:16 |
| persia | Maverick2k: To explain it differently, aside from some messiness with architectures right now, ubuntu-mobile is just a collection of software in Ubuntu that makes the experience of working on a smaller device more pleasant. Ubuntu itself seems to expect 1024x768 or better, and so doesn'T look so good on 800x480, 800x600, or 1024x600 screens. | 17:19 |
| persia | The icons also get fairly tiny above about 150 DPI. | 17:19 |
| ogra | gah | 17:20 |
| persia | The collection in ubuntu-mobile is intended to overcome that confusion, so tries to make the experience better. One example is by making applications run fullscreen, so they don't get lost. | 17:20 |
| * ogra missed the start of the meeting | 17:20 | |
| persia | This effort remains interesting regardless of external events, at least to those of us who use Ubuntu and have smaller devices. | 17:20 |
| persia | ogra: And the end :p | 17:21 |
| ogra | oh | 17:21 |
| * ogra curses | 17:21 | |
| Maverick2k | k thnx | 17:21 |
| persia | ogra: The main point was an agreement that the meeting would change to 12:00 UTC. Is that time particularly bad for you? | 17:22 |
| ogra | nah | 17:22 |
| ogra | on thu. ? | 17:22 |
| ogra | thursdays 12:00UTC is just fine, not sure if we clash with davidm's calls though | 17:23 |
| persia | ogra: Yes, on Thursday. | 17:23 |
| davmor2 | great a meeting at dinner time :) on thursdays :) | 17:32 |
| ogra | dinner at 12:00 UTC in the uk ? | 17:32 |
| ogra | youre an early bird man ... | 17:32 |
| persia | "Dinner" is one of those words that doesn't always translate well. It often means "midday meal" in the UK | 17:33 |
| davmor2 | lunch then and 12:00 is 13:00 uk time currently | 17:33 |
| ogra | ah, right they have dinner and supper :P | 17:33 |
| ogra | yeah, 14:00 german time | 17:34 |
| davmor2 | dinner and tea :) | 17:34 |
| ogra | lol, indeed ... i forgot about that one | 17:34 |
| Maverick2k | maybe a stupid question does anyon know how to auto identify on freenode with KSirc, I used a perl script but that didn't work | 17:39 |
| Maverick2k | if someone knows an another good IRC client thats okay, I'm not that attached too KSirc | 17:41 |
| * ogra is a big xchat fan | 17:43 | |
| * persia hears a number of KDE users talk about Konversation | 17:44 | |
| Maverick2k | thnx I will look for both and make a choice | 17:44 |
| Maverick2k | So that is better auto join works | 17:56 |
| Maverick2k | thnx persia and orga | 17:57 |
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| shishirm1 | hi people | 20:55 |
| shishirm1 | i am trying ubuntu on khojinsha sh series | 20:56 |
| shishirm1 | i have downloaded the .img file | 20:56 |
| shishirm1 | can any1 tell me how to try it on my tablet?? | 20:56 |
| shishirm1 | hey please tell me wht to do next | 21:02 |
| shishirm1 | i have downloaded the mccaslin one | 21:02 |
| shishirm1 | the tablet has intel atom processor | 21:03 |
| sioux | and on which hw have you planned to install it | 21:03 |
| shishirm1 | the tablet doesnt have a cd drive | 21:05 |
| shishirm1 | i will have to install with a udb pen drive | 21:05 |
| shishirm1 | usb* | 21:05 |
| shishirm1 | how exactly should i do that? | 21:06 |
| shishirm1 | sioux: atleast give me a link which explains how to do it?? | 21:08 |
| GrueMaster | shishirm1: This uses the 945 chipset. Try using the McCasslin based image. The Menlow image is for a different chipset. | 21:22 |
| GrueMaster | To install, you will need to download the image, then type "dd bs=1024 if=<image file> of=<usb drive>" (where <image file> is the img file you downloaded and <usb drive> is the actual usb drive - not the partition - i.e. /dev/sdb). | 21:24 |
| Maverick2k | ls | 21:46 |
| Maverick2k | sorry wrong window ;) | 21:47 |
| heat | anyone know if the usbc patch ever made to upstream? and if so, where it lives? | 22:03 |
| GrueMaster | heat: no, it has not. | 22:06 |
| GrueMaster | The only portion that made it upstream is alsa support for the HD Audio portion of the chipset. | 22:06 |
| heat | hmm any idea what the hold up is? | 22:07 |
| GrueMaster | no, I don't. | 22:07 |
| heat | :( | 22:07 |
| GrueMaster | I do know that it isn't me. :) | 22:07 |
| heat | seems like it should have already been in linux-next by now (and would have been nice if it was in linux-next a few weeks ago, so it would have made it to .27 :) ) | 22:08 |
| GrueMaster | Actually, it should have been in 2.6.26 | 22:08 |
| heat | i think the i2c stuff made it too | 22:08 |
| heat | GrueMaster: yeah, true.. | 22:08 |
| heat | i2c-isch.c, yeah smbus stuff got in.. but no usb :( | 22:09 |
| heat | doh | 22:09 |
| * heat mumbles | 22:09 | |
| heat | thx for the info | 22:10 |
| Maverick2k | I newbie on this, but how can I compile for a 32 bits machine on a 64 Bits machine | 22:18 |
| Maverick2k | mcCasslin = 32 bits and my working station 64 bits | 22:18 |
| Maverick2k | I can chroot in the project McCasslin and compile with gcc, but that is probably 64 Bits | 22:19 |
| heat | Maverick2k: give gcc a -m32 | 22:21 |
| Maverick2k | and how can I do that for dpkg-buildpackage -b for the kernel that is | 22:22 |
| heat | hell if i know.. i don't use silly debian tools :-] | 22:27 |
| Maverick2k | lol | 22:27 |
| Maverick2k | I will try google | 22:28 |
| Maverick2k | heat: thnx | 22:28 |
| heat | sry :( | 22:28 |
| Maverick2k | goodnight | 22:46 |
| Maverick2k | cya | 22:46 |
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