[00:00] <asac> fta: you just dput ubuntu *.changes ;)
[00:00] <asac> i just need .dsc and .changes ... then i sign them and you can push them all
[00:00] <asac> ;)
[00:00] <fta> oh, using your files, not mine
[00:01] <asac> yeah .. .you use the .dsc and .changes i signed
[00:01] <asac> that should work
[00:01] <asac> so just give those and i sign them ;)
[00:02] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/seamonkey_1.1.11+nobinonly-0ubuntu1.dsc
[00:02] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/seamonkey_1.1.11+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[00:04] <asac> fta: should be there ;)
[00:06] <fta> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[00:06] <fta> Error verifying signature on /src/bzr/ppa/seamonkey_1.1.11+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_source.changes.
[00:06] <fta> nopz
[00:06] <fta> e
[00:07] <fta> doesn't work
[00:08] <asac> fta: just do : gpg --recv-keys A824B93F
[00:08] <asac> you need my public key
[00:08] <fta> seems fine
[00:09] <Jazzva> asac, for 1.9.1, do you want me to also open branch for release, or just to add to the current state?
[00:09] <Jazzva> the current is targeted for UNRELEASED release ;)
[00:10] <fta> 1.9.1 or 1.9.0.1 ?
[00:10] <asac> Jazzva: why open release branch?
[00:10] <asac> what did you do to 1.9?
[00:10] <Jazzva> 1.9.1
[00:10] <Jazzva> asac, dch -i -DUNRELEASED "open tree for development"
[00:10] <Jazzva> that's for 1.9
[00:10] <asac> Jazzva: we havent release 1.9.1 yet so we dont have a .dev branch i think
[00:10] <asac> fta?
[00:10] <asac> Jazzva: yes thats correct on .head
[00:10] <Jazzva> asac, right.
[00:11] <asac> fta: 1.9.1 has just .head branch right?
[00:11] <fta> i have a branch for 1.9.1 and 3.1
[00:11] <Jazzva> I asked for 1.9.1.head
[00:11] <Jazzva> asac, only .head in MT
[00:11] <asac> ok ... then use that to commit that code ... but maybe verify that the problem exists there at all
[00:11] <asac> (the biuld system changed and it gets from hg now ... so the permissions might have changed)
[00:11] <Jazzva> ok
[00:12] <asac> Jazzva: at best check with fta ;)
[00:12] <asac> who currently drives that branch
[00:12] <Jazzva> ah :)
[00:12] <fta> don't do the chmod that way, it's too "manual"
[00:12] <Jazzva> fta, I already pushed that to 1.9.head
[00:13] <Jazzva> I just applied the patch that was in bug 252793
[00:13] <fta> yep, saw that
[00:13] <asac> plesae keep in mind that ignoring such contributions isnt nice ;)
[00:13] <Jazzva> :)
[00:13] <asac> so if you want things to improve ask him to improve it ;)
[00:13] <fta> but that's too many line imho. a find would be more generic
[00:13] <fta> lineS
[00:14] <asac> fta: yeah. but lets commit his contributions
[00:14] <asac> and then the improvement on top of that ;)
[00:14] <asac> otoh having a complete explicit lib would help to fix it in upstream build system i guess
[00:14] <asac> s/lib/list/
[00:15] <fta> i don't have time to re-touch that now, but i sure will in a few days ;) at least, i want to. i think i already fixed that months ago in another branch
[00:15] <asac> fta: ok. so let jazzva go ahead and commit the contributions. mark the bug fix committed ... and then we can improve later
[00:15] <asac> is that ok?
[00:16] <asac> http://hg.mozilla.org/incubator/index.cgi/embedding/
[00:16] <fta> sure, go ahead
[00:16] <fta> (i fixed that in songbird.head)
[00:17] <fta>         # Fix permissions
[00:17] <fta>         cd $(SRC_DIR)/compiled/dist ; find . -type f \( $(NOT_EXECUTABLE) \) -perm -u=x -exec chmod -v 644 {} \;
[00:18] <fta> and it's verbose so you have a trace of what has been changed in the log
[00:18] <asac> Jazzva: are you actually back (provider wise) ... or will you bail out any time?
[00:18] <Jazzva> back... and will stay that way :D
[00:18] <fta> Successfully uploaded packages.
[00:19] <Jazzva> ok, I closed the bug report
[00:21] <asac> Jazzva: closed?
[00:21] <asac> thats fix committed
[00:21] <asac> and link the branches to the bug
[00:21] <asac> ;)
[00:21] <Jazzva> that :)
[00:22] <asac> kk
[00:22] <Jazzva> fix committed... closed.. it's the same :)
[00:22] <Jazzva> (as it will get to fix released)
[00:22] <asac> lol
[00:23] <Jazzva> fta, will you apply your shorter version to 1.9.1, if the problem with permissions exists there :)?
[00:24] <asac> Jazzva: maybe spin a build to see ;)
[00:25] <asac> @time
[00:25] <asac> am i still here?
[00:25] <asac> ah ok
[00:26] <Jazzva> yes
[00:26] <Jazzva> asac, spin a build? you want to kill my poor computer, right? :)
[00:26] <asac> Jazzva: you dont spin mozillas?
[00:27] <asac> bah ... thats weak ;)
[00:27] <Jazzva> yeah. it is :sigh:
[00:27] <fta> lol
[00:28] <asac> Jazzva: you can spin in ppa ;)
[00:28] <asac> without testing :-D
[00:28] <asac> oh ... you need to upload that beast then
[00:28] <fta> i hate red on ppa
[00:28] <asac> hehe
[00:28] <Jazzva> asac, see the problems I have to live with?
[00:28] <Jazzva> (hopefully... I'll get a new computer... soon... :))
[00:28] <asac> Jazzva: you could give fta the .changes and .dsc and .diff.gz so he can upload to your ppa ;)
[00:29] <Jazzva> heh :)
[00:29] <fta> Jazzva, can't you upload from school or work ?
[00:29] <Jazzva> we use windows at school... we have linux installed, but they don't give as accounts on them :sigh:
[00:29] <Jazzva> s/as/us/
[00:30] <fta> bring a live cd and your files on an usb key
[00:30] <Jazzva> and I think that's too much hassle...
[00:30] <Jazzva> :)
[00:31] <Jazzva> The computer will arrive, then I will be able to test big stuff :)
[00:31] <asac> Jazzva: you use windows?
[00:32] <asac> i think we should send some edubuntu sales person to your thing
[00:32] <Jazzva> heh... :)
[00:33] <fta> or bring a laptop there and plug it
[00:33] <Jazzva> have no laptop :)
[00:33] <Jazzva> I'll just wait for my new computer :)
[00:33] <asac> well s/sales/donator/
[00:33] <asac> ;)
[00:33] <asac> as its for free ;)
[00:33] <Jazzva> hehe
[00:33] <fta> Jazzva, you're making things difficult
[00:34] <Jazzva> fta, but I'm not :)
[00:39] <asac> @time
[00:39] <asac> good
[00:39] <asac> sorry, but moving around here with all these APs is just a lottery ;)
[00:39] <Jazzva> heh
[00:40] <asac> its really scary.
[00:40] <asac> 95% of the folks here have a mac :(
[00:44] <Sergeant_Pony> not me :)
[00:44] <crimsun> he means at the dev conference/jam/whatever.
[00:46] <fta> asac, sm does not appear in my Uploaded packages list
[00:47] <asac> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2008/
[00:47] <asac> not my fault ... if oyu are in changelog it should work
[00:47] <asac> otherwise its a bug in launchpad
[00:47] <asac> maybe its just deferred?
[00:47] <asac> does it show up in my list?
[00:48] <fta> nope
[00:49] <fta> btw, my list shrunk a lot in the last few months
[00:50] <fta> "Uploaded packages" no longer means uploaded packages
[00:51] <fta> more like list of packages you uploaded and that noone else updated since
[00:51] <asac> sounds strange
[00:51] <Jazzva> fta, I noticed that too a while ago...
[00:52] <fta> my karma has been divided by almost 10
[00:53] <fta> i start to hate lp
[00:54] <Jazzva> fta, propose a change ... although, I don't know how much useful it is. the feature request for blog option for teams still has no response
[00:54] <Jazzva> s/useful it is/it is useful/
[00:56] <fta> basically, credits are now too volatile. i slow down for a bit and poof, i'm back to the beginning.
[00:56] <Jazzva> we know you're not ;)
[00:57] <asac> fta: bzr?
[00:57] <asac> yeah. dont put too much into the whole karma thing
[00:57] <asac> i lost 30k ;) in the last week or so
[00:57] <fta> i feel like i'm disappearing from lp
[00:58]  * Jazzva checks
[00:58] <Jazzva> Nope, still there :P
[00:59] <Jazzva> asac, can you unsubscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors from bug 252793? They're not supposed to be subscribed...
[00:59] <Jazzva> i just noticed that...
[01:00] <asac> yes
[01:00] <asac> doing that
[01:00] <Jazzva> thanks :)
[01:00] <asac> done
[01:00] <Jazzva> yay
[01:01] <asac> fta: most of your karma lost is bazaar branches ... which was ridiculously high imo. for instance you had to process 1000 bugs to get the same karma as linking one branch to a bug
[01:01] <asac> i had the same ;)
[01:02] <Jazzva> yep. bzr is overrated karma-wise
[01:13] <maco> why does Firefox say GDebi doesn't exist when i tell it to open a .deb with GDebi and when I can see gdebi and gdebi-gtk in my path?  And when I save the deb and double click it, GDebi opens just dandy
[01:13] <maco> crimsun suggested i ask here rather than #ubuntu
[01:13] <maco> well, i tried there first, and then he said try here
[01:15] <asac> maco: not sure. how do you try to open it?
[01:16] <asac> do you explicitly select the binary in the file chooser?
[01:16] <Jazzva> maco, try opening Edit- -> Preferences -> Applications, find "Debian package", and try to enter /usr/bin/gdebi by selection Other in drop-down menu... and tell us if that works.
[01:16] <maco> asac: i click the GDebi it gives as the default option
[01:17] <asac> did you ever configure that manually as default action?
[01:17] <asac> try what jazzva said
[01:17] <Jazzva> asac, maybe the def setting for Gdebi is wrong :/
[01:17] <Jazzva> the path to the binary
[01:17] <maco> debian package isn't in Edit -> Pref -> Apps
[01:18] <Jazzva> Something similar? (that part is localised here...)
[01:18] <maco> asac: no, i didn't touch that
[01:18] <maco> er, oh it says Software Package...Always Ask
[01:18] <maco> this only happens on my 64bit systerm
[01:18] <maco> *system
[01:18] <asac> strange. no idea. what binary is configured there?
[01:19] <maco> and i didnt transfer my 32bit profile to this one. this is a month-old profile, and i think it's done this the entire time
[01:19] <maco> it just says Always Ask
[01:19] <Jazzva> hmm, actually no need to change there. You can test it by clicking on a deb and then select "Use other...", then enter /usr/bin/gdebi there
[01:19] <asac> most likely you typed it manually then at some point and firefox remembers that now?
[01:21] <maco> ok i clicked it, clicked on "GDebi Package Installer (default)", chose "Other Application" and entered /usr/bin/gdebi and it didn't give an error (improvement) but it didn't do anything once it downloaded (silent death = worse)
[01:21] <maco> crimsun: how's your new 64bit system handle this?
[01:22] <maco> er, if i manually click on it in the downloads thing and hit open, then gdebi opens
[01:22] <maco> but it doesn't do it automatically
[01:22] <Jazzva> maco, sorry... the binary is gdebi-gtk, not gdebi
[01:22] <maco> ah ok
[01:23] <maco> ok that works
[01:23] <maco> so where the heck is GDebi Package Installer (default) looking?
[01:23] <maco> any way to find that out?
[01:25] <crimsun> interesting.
[01:25] <crimsun> I don't have a "Software Package" entry at all.
[01:25] <Jazzva> maco, I'm not sure...
[01:26] <maco> crimsun: near the end...after Shockwave, before Video podcast?
[01:26] <crimsun> maco: nope
[01:27] <maco> O_o
[01:27] <asac> crimsun: you dont have -gnome-support ?
[01:27] <asac> ah ... sorry misread
[01:27] <crimsun> I do
[01:28] <asac> maco: you have gdebi in /etc/mailcap?
[01:28] <maco> pattern not found
[01:30] <maco> so um, no
[01:30] <asac> maco: try a fresh profile please
[01:37] <maco> hrm that works
[01:37] <maco> i wonder if the download statusbar does anything...
[01:38] <asac> maco search for gdebi in your .mozilla folder
[01:38] <asac> (in the files)
[01:39]  * asac moves rooms
[01:44] <maco> i am incredibly confused
[01:44] <maco> i closed the firefox that was open with a fresh profile, went back to the old profile, and it works now.  i thought computers were supposed to be logical.  i give up.
[02:03] <asac> ok ... this is getting painful
[02:03] <asac> 8 hours bus trip to airport
[02:03] <asac> then flight to london
[02:03] <asac> then to hamburg :(
[02:03] <asac> i have the feeling i wont survive that
[02:04] <Jazzva> eh... good luck :)
[02:04] <asac> why the hell is there only one road to vancouver :(
[02:04] <Jazzva> hmm... area around vancouver is mostly empty?
[02:05] <asac> apparently
[02:05] <asac> i still hope that this is a dream
[02:05] <asac> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/07/30/bc-highway-rockslide-whistler.html?ref=rss
[02:05] <Jazzva> any idea where is_system_wide_wrapper_plugin() comes from?
[02:05] <Jazzva> it has only one mention in current source
[02:06] <Jazzva> hmm... maybe it was there in previous release, so that's why we used it in a patch
[02:06] <Jazzva> yep... that's the case
[02:06] <Jazzva> and that's why it fails :)
[02:06] <asac> Jazzva: i added that in my patch?
[02:06] <asac> does that function test for an env?
[02:06] <Jazzva> Yep, but it was there i 0.9.something
[02:06] <Jazzva> and it's not there in 1.1.0
[02:07] <asac> in upstream 0.9?
[02:07] <Jazzva> mhm...
[02:07] <asac> or in our package?
[02:07] <asac> i think i added that function
[02:07] <asac> look at the diff.gz
[02:07] <Jazzva> upstream
[02:07] <Jazzva> hmm
[02:07] <asac> oh
[02:07] <asac> ok
[02:08] <Jazzva> I branched. let's see if it exists in upstream branch
[02:08] <asac> its in upstream
[02:08] <Jazzva> hmm... it's not in upstream branch. but that one is a bit older
[02:08] <asac> what we need is 002_install_to_NSPLUGINDIR.diff
[02:09] <Jazzva> and we don't need 000?
[02:09] <asac> not sure
[02:09] <Jazzva> (well, that part that calls is_system_wide?
[02:09] <asac> i am sure that we need 002 ;)
[02:09] <Jazzva> s/?/)/
[02:09] <Jazzva> hmm... ok, I'll look at 000
[02:10] <asac> what did is_system_... do?
[02:10] <Jazzva> ouch... "the massive rocks, some the size of trucks and small houses."
[02:10] <asac> yeah
[02:11] <Jazzva> looking at the function
[02:15] <asac> ok ... i am off for a while. in case you go to sleep: sleep well and cu
[02:48] <Jazzva> off to sleep. See you later
[10:52] <godlygeek> how do i get firefox 3.0 with debug symbols on hardy?
[10:52] <godlygeek> ff3 is crashing 5 or 6 times a day on me and i really want to stop it.  :'(
[11:53] <armin76> godlygeek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#head-c576e78d92cb3c959c271158b6ace98be835de83
[12:01] <godlygeek> armin76: thanks a lot!  couldn't find that page for the life of me.
[14:19] <maney> is there any way to get the old, now I suppose referred to as "stupid", location bar back?  the new one is obnoxious and much less useful
[17:05] <jetsaredim> zipped?
[17:31] <asac> HUGE POWER OUTAGE HERE
[17:57] <XioNoX> hi asac, you get the power back ?
[21:15] <fta> Jazzva, are you running intrepid now ?
[21:16] <Jazzva> fta, yes :)
[21:16] <fta> do you have the can't raise window from another workspace bug ?
[21:16] <Jazzva> I have two noticeable bugs... one is frustrating, the other is fine
[21:17] <Jazzva> Let's see... say something to me
[21:17] <fta> Jazzva, liferea is bogus like before our patch
[21:18] <Jazzva> fta, unable to bring to the current desktop when clicking on the taskbar and the program is minimised
[21:19] <Jazzva> able, by two clicks on icon in tray. Once to move it to tray, and second click to open it on current desktop
[21:19] <Jazzva> that's for xchat
[21:19] <Jazzva> the same is for pidgin, when it's minimised
[21:19] <Jazzva> when it's not minimised, it moves me to the desktop where the chat is
[21:20] <fta> when liferea is visible on workspace 2, i can't bring it from workspace using the tray, single, double, triple, n-clicks
[21:21] <fta> from workspace 1
[21:21] <Jazzva> hmm, clicking on Liferea in taskbar works fine for me
[21:22] <Jazzva> but yeah, the tray is buggy...
[21:22] <Jazzva> if liferea is closed to tray, then it's fine. if it's open, then it doesn't work
[21:22] <fta> i don't use the taskbar
[21:23] <fta> well, our fix fixed the tray thing, but it's back
[21:23] <Jazzva> fta, if this behaviour is not documented in Gnome usability guidelines behaviour, then it should be... it's a bit frustrating that you have to learn reaction for every program
[21:23] <Jazzva> fta, and it looks like it's not, since it's happening with programs...
[21:24] <Jazzva> *with a lot of programs
[21:25] <fta> liferea, xchat, rhythmbox ..
[21:25] <Jazzva> pidgin
[21:25] <Jazzva> And I suppose they're approved by Gnome... (will look into it now)
[21:28] <Jazzva> They're all reported on Wikipedia's article as part of Gnome
[21:28] <Jazzva> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GNOME_applications
[21:28] <Jazzva> ah, not in official apps, though
[21:30] <Jazzva> And only Rhythmbox is present on http://www.gnome.org/projects/
[21:31] <Jazzva> and xchat
[21:32] <fta> how come noone complained about this ?
[21:32] <fta> i find this very disturbing
[21:34] <Jazzva> Dunno... maybe someone did, but not on LP
[21:34] <Jazzva> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ there are the guidelines
[21:34] <Jazzva> I have to go to dinner now, so I'll be back soon
[21:35] <fta> k, enjoy
[21:35] <Jazzva> thanks :)
[22:18] <Jazzva> fta, back... Noticed anything interesting in HIG?
[22:21] <fta> http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/desktop-notification-area.html.en
[22:27] <Jazzva> hmm... no guidelines referring to difference in current desktop vs. the desktop where the app is
[22:33] <Jazzva> fta, there is also http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/windows-properties.html.en#window-props-focus , but no mention of desktops there, too...
[22:50] <fta> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/systemtray-spec
[23:18] <asac> oh dear
[23:18] <asac> now the power is back :/
[23:19] <Jazzva> Da powa! :)
[23:20] <asac> the force is with me ;)
[23:20] <asac> Jazzva: how did nspluginwrapper go?
[23:20] <fta> Bug 253769
[23:20] <asac> regression?
[23:21] <Jazzva> not so great, I haven't touched it today. And I wasn't able to decipher the meaning of is_system_wide_plugin last night... I was too tired to search for what some functions do...
[23:21] <Jazzva> But I can try without first patch. To take optimist approach :)
[23:21] <Jazzva> s/first/000_/
[23:22] <fta> it's 1.1.9
[23:25] <asac> Jazzva: probably no news for you, but that function probably checks whether a plugin is installed in a absolute path
[23:25] <asac> and guesses from that that its system plugin?
[23:29] <Jazzva> looking again at it
[23:32] <Jazzva> nope, still confused
[23:32] <Jazzva> but guessing from the function name it should do that...
[23:43] <Jazzva> actually, it looks like it has just been replaced with has_system_wide_wrapper_plugin
[23:43] <Jazzva> i'll see how the two differ.
[23:45] <asac> ok .... had to hand laptop to mtv chick ;)
[23:46] <asac> so be proud that mtv broadcast about firefox summit was typed through ubuntu ;)
[23:46] <Jazzva> lol :)
[23:46] <Jazzva> Hello, MTV :P
[23:47] <asac> i knew i should have run a a key recorder
[23:47] <asac> or someting ;)
[23:47] <Jazzva> no... now you can see it on MTV... :P
[23:47] <asac> hehe
[23:47] <asac> it will air in 10 minutes or something ;)
[23:48] <asac> err ... it gets voiced in ten minutes or so
[23:48] <Jazzva> mtv broadcasts about mozilla summit? Well, at least it's good promotion :)
[23:48] <asac> yeah
[23:53] <Jazzva> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/32767/ it differs in one param check_ident, and in one line
[23:53] <Jazzva> is_system_... is old, has_... is the new one