[00:02] <Myrtti> meh
[00:03]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti 
[00:19] <Flannel> Myrtti: your ambivalence astounds me
[00:20] <Myrtti> Flannel: oh
[00:20] <Myrtti> elaborate, I'm running a bit slow right now
[00:22] <elky_work> ok, who has a link to the pastebin of the ultabreaksit code?
[00:22] <Flannel> Myrtti: You're just constantly luke warm
[00:22] <Flannel> elky_work: The ones posted last night?  They weren't full code, but I can scroll up
[00:23] <Myrtti> isn't lukewarm good?
[00:23] <Flannel> maybe I should've said tepid
[00:24] <Myrtti> I bet there's plenty of people who would disagree with that
[00:24] <Myrtti> I'm just having weird day
[00:25] <Myrtti> the Jackass apologized his behaviour today, almost out of the blue
[00:25] <elky_work> Flannel: it was a few days ago now
[00:25] <Flannel> Myrtti: who would that be?
[00:26] <Myrtti> the Jackass of Nerdom and Relationships
[00:26] <Flannel> elky_work: I'm updating my copy, hold on
[00:28] <Myrtti> anyway - tis too late to be awake
[00:29] <Flannel> elky_work: http://pastebin.com/f100c6502
[00:30] <Flannel> elky_work: then the other was http://pastebin.com/d373a6d82
[00:30] <Flannel> but that doens't seem to work anymore
[00:31] <Flannel> someone will have to brave downloading the deb and unpacking it
[00:35] <elky_work> yeah, i dont have time for that right now
[00:40] <kevinO> hello
[00:42] <elky_work> kevinO: you are in the ops channel. is there anything relevent we can help you with?
[00:42] <Flannel> elky_work: Anything in particular you're looking for?  (just downloading dpkg -x the deb and you get the source)
[00:43] <kevinO> mmm, waiting for a couple ops to decide my fate
[00:43] <elky_work> Flannel: the dangerous crap such as '--force-yes'
[00:43] <kevinO> i guess i can come baqck later
[00:44] <kevinO> baqck/back*
[00:45] <Flannel> elky_work: heh.  this hurts.
[00:45] <elky_work> Flannel: i know
[00:46] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32383/ is all of them
[00:47] <Flannel> did you want that file with almost all of them in it?
[00:48] <elky_work> 193 in a signle file? EWW
[00:50] <Flannel> elky_work: here's that file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/
[00:51] <elky_work> hmm... can grep output linenumbers? (iirc yes)
[00:51] <Flannel> yeah.  Heh, here's a gem: sudo chmod +x legends_linux-0.4.1.43.deb
[00:52] <elky_work> please repeat your first pastebin with linenumbers, and grep out that chmod with linenumber please :)
[00:53] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32386/
[00:55] <stdin> who want's to kill \3TATUK ?
[00:55] <Flannel> the chmod line number ... oh, lots.
[00:55] <Flannel> thanks stdin
[00:55] <stdin> I have a highlight on that command ;)
[00:57] <Flannel> freaking
[00:58] <elky_work> Flannel: find a deb with the dodgiest looking repo, and the corresponding chmod
[01:00] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32395/
[01:00] <Flannel> those all all the debs he chmod+xes (some of the other chmods are runs, andshs and stuff)
[01:01] <elky_work> i have no idea what the legends_linux thing is, where does it get downloaded from?
[01:01]  * Flannel mutters about elky_work being a taskmaster
[01:01] <elky_work> :)
[01:03] <Flannel> hmm, -B isn't working
[01:03] <Flannel> ah, there we go.
[01:04] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32398/
[01:04] <Flannel> Hows that?
[01:06] <elky_work> excellent
[01:06] <Flannel> the if before the else is... a trial dpkg -i
[01:06] <Flannel> dpkg -i filename.deb, if it fails, grab it, chmod it, then try again
[01:06] <Flannel> what a lovely.... method.
[01:07] <Flannel> since checking if a file exists is so hard
[01:08] <Flannel> (that's what he does with the .run files and .shs too, checks if they exist, tries to run them, if it fails, grabs the software, +x, runs it again
[01:09] <Flannel> he does check if it exists first (even on debs) so my last comment wasn't entirely meritful
[01:09] <Flannel> that is, the previous one
[01:11] <Flannel> here's another little gem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32401/
[01:12] <Flannel> (and that code is mirrored in all the removes that aren't through package management it seems)
[01:13]  * Flannel loves the irony of "swift*" where * is the debianized versions.
[01:17] <Flannel> elky_work: There may be some issue with nautilus script collisions too (although I'm not familiar enough to say), likes 723-744
[01:18] <Flannel> elky_work: and dvd shrink is installed via alien from an rpm
[01:22] <Flannel> elky_work: and then... the compiz git stuf... makes baby penguins cry.  Especially the removal.  that is ripe for issues.
[01:23] <Flannel> alright. I need a shower or something.
[01:54] <wgrant> I like how he uses --assume-yes and --force-yes in the same command.
[01:54] <wgrant> And in other places -y and --force-yes.
[01:55] <elky_work> copypasted from two diff places
[01:55] <Pici> How many of those things are present in the original automatix code though?
[01:56] <Flannel> Pici: Does it matter?
[01:56] <Pici> Flannel: Not really
[01:58] <elky_work> ooh, show me the compiz git russian roulette
[01:59] <Flannel> Pici: make the bad woman stop.  I dun wanna look at the code anymore.
[01:59] <elky_work> hehe
[01:59] <wgrant> It's interesting that it's just 'Ultimate Edition' and not 'Ubuntu Ultimate Edition'. It is the ULTIMATE EDITION OF EVERYTHING!
[02:00] <elky_work> the last one, i promise
[02:00] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32409/
[02:01] <Flannel> wgrant: That's because it works on debian (untested), kubuntu (untested, xubuntu (untested), and edubuntu (untested)!
[02:01] <Flannel> elky_work: and once again, full source of that godawful file is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/
[02:02]  * elky_work hugs Flannel
[02:03] <Pici> argh
[02:03] <Pici> NU=$(cat /etc/passwd | grep 1000 | cut -d: -f1)  and then build stuff in /home/$NU/compiz-scripts/
[02:03] <wgrant> Flannel: True.
[02:03] <wgrant> Hahahaha.
[02:04] <Pici> What is with this constant ITEMS=something else stuff?
[02:05] <Flannel> Pici: not only that, but that code will only do it on the first user's home.  What if the second user does it?
[02:05] <Pici> Flannel: Exactly.
[02:05] <wgrant> Flannel: What, you mean Linux supports multiple users? Lies.
[02:05]  * Flannel looked at that earlier, didn't make that connection though.
[02:05] <Flannel> wgrant: How else would you allow malicious people to log in?  through your user?
[02:05] <wgrant> And what the feck.
[02:06] <wgrant> ia64 is not x86_64, fool.
[02:06]  * Pici dies @ fusionremove
[02:06] <Flannel> Pici: yeah... Thats what got me.
[02:06] <Flannel> the build stuff... probably was good (didn't really look)
[02:06] <wgrant> The identical apt-get commandlines except for the envvar are also nice.
[02:06] <wgrant> Really follows DRY.
[02:07] <Flannel> wgrant: well, its future proofing!  What happens if someone wants to make it so that something different happens on a particular package?
[02:09] <nickrud> I assume you'll file bug reports. A perfect storm :)
[02:09] <Pici> If this whole script is running with sudo, why does it need sudo in front of all the commands?
[02:09] <Flannel> Pici: super sudo!
[02:09] <wgrant> Pici: I was wondering that myself.
[02:09] <wgrant> And if it's not running with sudo, why isn't it?
[02:10] <Flannel> It is.
[02:10] <Pici> And these sudo echo "some desktop item stuff" >>  /usr/something/file.desktop   will not work unless you run the script as sudo.
[02:10] <wgrant> Pici: True, true.
[02:10] <Flannel> the launcher makes sure you're sudoed
[02:10] <wgrant> I like the function at 242 on http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/.
[02:10]  * Flannel can paste that too
[02:10] <wgrant> We create a directory, cd to its parent, and then remove it.
[02:11] <Pici> wgrant: I dont understand that either.
[02:11] <Flannel> I know *why* he des it
[02:11] <Flannel> Let me find the code
[02:12] <Flannel> alright, line 157. make /usr/local/games/armyops, then cd to games then delete... oh
[02:12] <Flannel> earlier I had it worked out so you make the armyops, cd to armyops, then rm the current dir
[02:12] <wgrant> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.bak
[02:12] <wgrant> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/hardy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[02:12] <Flannel> so, if the cd failed, you'd still be... somewhere else.
[02:12] <wgrant> Oh yes, that backup is so useful.
[02:13] <Flannel> Hahahhaa
[02:13] <Flannel> I didn't even catch that.
[02:13] <wgrant> It's such a copy and paste job.
[02:13] <Flannel> yeah
[02:13] <wgrant> echo "Restoring sources list"
[02:13] <wgrant> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.bak /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:13] <wgrant> So useful.
[02:13] <Flannel> nickrud: heh.  [project barely uses LP], [project recieves about 40 bug reports that ammount to "rewrite your whole thing"], [project goes away]?
[02:14]  * Flannel makes that comment go back in time three minutes, to have it make sense.
[02:14] <nickrud> Flannel either that, or he learns some nicer coding techniques due to your due diligence in correcting his errors ;)
[02:15] <Flannel> nickrud: I was reading his forum yesterday.  He goes on and on about how arnieboy was a crappy coder, and how he's learned all about the debian package format.  Interesting read, to say the least.
[02:15] <wgrant> Flannel: I didn't see that, but I saw a lot of other crap in the forum...
[02:15]  * nickrud wonders how this critique could be published in a way that isn't totally crushingly embarrassing
[02:16] <Flannel> nickrud: lots of [explitive deleted]s
[02:16] <Pici> Whats the point of 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=kde sudo apt-get' and 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome sudo apt-get'?
[02:16] <wgrant> nickrud: Why shouldn't it be crushingly embarrassing?
[02:16] <nickrud> wgrant I'm a softy, that's all.
[02:16] <wgrant> Pici: To introduce subtle bugs that appear in different DEs, as well as making nice debconf prompts appear.
[02:16] <nickrud> wgrant and I don't see any way it wouldn't be
[02:17] <Pici> But its object oriented! theres functions for every application you'd ever want to install!
[02:18] <wgrant> Pici: Of course you should forget the fact that he could just run "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=<whatever>" at the top and cut the code by hundreds of lines...
[02:18] <Pici> wgrant: I think he misunderstood DRY as 'do repeat yourself'
[02:19] <wgrant> Pici: Looks like it.
[02:19] <wgrant> Huh.
[02:19] <wgrant> What's with the function at line 1311?
[02:19] <wgrant> It removes things, really removes them, and then reinstalls them.
[02:19] <Flannel> wgrant: Are you using the same line numbers as the rest of us?
[02:19] <wgrant> Looking at http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/
[02:20] <Flannel> 1311 is "dpkg check" right?
[02:20] <Flannel> Oh, and... just ignore the fact that the kubutu/ubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu removing won't work elky_work. (he just removes the metapackages)
[02:20] <wgrant> function flashinstall {
[02:22] <Flannel> wgrant: The rm's are because he doesn't understand what -purge means
[02:22] <Flannel> either that, or its to remove them in case you installed them with this before.
[02:22] <wgrant> Flannel: But why does it need to be removed and reinstalled just to do what Flash on amd64 does already?
[02:22] <Flannel> since, you know, when we add bugs, we just add more bugs to cover them up
[02:23] <nickrud> AH! I KNEW IT!!!
[02:23] <Flannel> wgrant: I love the autoremove line in there.  Also known as "If you have any metapackages removed, we'll try and take out a number of unrelated packages to flash"
[02:23] <Flannel> er, I could've made that line half the length and still made sense.
[02:23] <wgrant> Mhm.
[02:24] <Flannel> "this is where we try and remove non related packages without you knowing"
[02:24] <wgrant> And he seems to have failed to notice the existence of $SUDO_USER.
[02:24] <Flannel> elky_work: So, now that we've been at this for two hours, what are you writing? and to whom?
[02:25] <wgrant> Oh, I just now noticed fusionremove. That is a beauty.
[02:26] <wgrant> ... the theme package is more than 100MB. Impressive.
[02:28] <Flannel> wgrant: but its superawesomecool!
[02:28] <Pici> its probably chrome, like the website.
[02:28] <wgrant> I thought I'd see how superawesomecool his packaging was, but it's huge.
[02:29] <Flannel> Pici: which website?  have you seen the ultimate editon one?  Its the epitome of usable color schemes.
[02:29] <Flannel> http://ultimateedition.info/
[02:29] <elky_work> Flannel: blog. from work. between phonecalls.
[02:30] <wgrant> Flannel: But it's shiny!
[02:30] <Pici> Flannel: Yeah, chrome!
[02:30] <Flannel> wgrant: It looks like its from Dali
[02:30] <Pici> I cant even read the text when the sidebar rollovers are active
[02:31] <Flannel> Pici: but its rad!
[02:31] <Pici> And all the header items (except ubuntu xmas) bring up 404s
[02:32] <Flannel> they all do for me.
[02:32] <Flannel> But, that makes sense.  no one has questions about ultimate edition, since its so awesome.  So how can there be any questions asked frequently?
[02:36] <Pici> Nice, an installer with music (albeit commented out now): #mixer.music.load('/usr/share/ultamatix/conf/discipline.mp3')
[02:36] <Flannel> Pici: yeah.
[02:37] <Flannel> Oh, hey... I wonder if that music is still in the deb
[02:38] <Flannel> Mmm, no, it's not.  But there is saw.wav... so, I guess when I run ultamatix, at some point I have sound effects!
[02:38] <wgrant> You also have 15006 files of theme.
[02:38] <Pici> OW. My ears
[02:39] <nickrud> maybe that sound is saved for when your system appears in the movie
[02:40] <wgrant> I think he build the themes package manually... as in, ared it manually and everything.
[02:40] <Flannel> hahahha
[02:40] <wgrant> As it's so broken that nothing could have built it.
[02:40] <Flannel> the ultamatix repo is listed twice in his sources.list, once as "official ubuntu repositories" and the oter as "ultmatix repositories"
[02:40] <Flannel> Oh... and is root nautilus window uses sudo instead of gksu.
[02:41] <wgrant> Is that in the codebase as well? I saw it a couple of times on the forum.
[02:41] <Pici> Flannel: And some of the hardy repositories  are spelt harty in the sources.list too
[02:41] <Flannel> Pici: No, that's his repo.
[02:41] <Flannel> his version is "harty"
[02:42] <nickrud> oh my g.
[02:42] <Flannel> wgrant: yeah, part ofthe nautilus scripts.  in /usr/share/ultamatix/conf/*
[02:42] <Flannel> And, his method of sudoing stuff is "gksu a dummy command" and then the next line "sudo the real command'
[02:42] <Flannel> so, if someone has password caching turned off, it won't work.
[02:43] <wgrant> Aha.
[02:43] <wgrant> Now this is interesting.
[02:43] <wgrant> The package was mostly manually built, but has some stuff in there that indicates it was partly created with dh_make.
[02:46] <Flannel> alright.  time to eat dinner.  I take my leave from this insanity.  I'll leave wgrant in my stead.
[03:53] <elky_work> you know, "[2008-07-31 12:13:15] *** ChanServ gives mneptok the permission to talk." gives me a chill every time :P
[04:12] <elky_work> Flannel: http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=186
[04:18] <wgrant> elky_work: So we're being proactive rather than reactive now?
[04:19] <wgrant> elky_work: And where did all the double dashes go?
[04:19] <wgrant> But they are some nice snippets of code.
[04:25] <Flannel> wgrant: they got absorbed into ndashes, it looks like
[04:25] <Flannel> Oh.  hmm, or just regular dashes.
[04:44] <elky_work> wgrant: wordpress happened
[04:44] <elky_work> i'll change em into code blocks... the wp kitchen sink doesnt have the code button anymore :-/
[04:45] <elky_work> ooh, milestone: "Akismet has protected your site from 251,759 spam comments already"
[04:48] <elky_work> wgrant: and yes, proactive until we need to be reactive ;)
[04:49] <wgrant> elky_work: I thought it might have been a good idea to try to ignore it and hope nobody noticed.
[04:51] <elky_work> wgrant: because that works so well
[04:51] <Flannel> wgrant: Automatix died, and it wasn't really needed anymore anyway.  Hopefully we can nip this in the bud before it gets too big.
[04:51] <Flannel> wgrant: Or at least, keep it from expanding
[04:52]  * ajmitch goes to download & blindly run it
[04:52] <elky_work> from now on, these sorts of crack are to be referred to as GoAXs, because they make you want to Go AX(e) the author
[04:55]  * wgrant stabs ajmitch with --force-yes for good measure.
[04:55] <wgrant> elky_work: Hah.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> elky_work: LOL!
[04:57] <Flannel> elky_work: And that's pronounced "goax" like "goat"?
[04:57] <elky_work> Flannel: why not
[04:57] <elky_work> since pronunciation is critical over irc, and all
[04:58] <wgrant> This guy knows Debian policy well: http://pastebin.com/f603673f2
[04:59] <ajmitch> is there a problem there?
[04:59] <elky_work> ajmitch: who names their child 'themahn2003'?
[05:00] <elky_work> aside from talulah's parents
[05:00] <Flannel> wgrant: He did speak volumes about how he's been reading up about debian policy (since I believe that was a core complaint of mjg)
[05:00] <wgrant> Flannel: So I saw.
[05:00] <wgrant> The themes package proved that.
[05:01] <elky_work> hmm "[*] 99% support for 64 bit O/S's"... i wonder if this means 'everything downloads and installs, but it still randomly wipes everything on harddrive, no idea why'
[05:01] <Flannel> elky_work: 64bit is supported (untested)
[05:01] <wgrant> Like Debian.
[05:01] <elky_work> Flannel: like everything else
[05:03] <elky_work> at least he packaged it (symbolically) aptly "ultamatix (1.8.0-2) unstable;"
[05:03]  * Flannel just made that up, because its likely.
[05:04] <wgrant> You mean "64bit is supported (untested)" (untested)?
[05:05] <Flannel> wgrant: exactly
[05:14] <elky_work> oh freaking hell
[05:14]  * elky_work points to jdub's blog on planet :-/
[05:16] <Flannel> the stupid twitter one?
[05:16] <elky_work> yes
[05:17] <Flannel> elky_work: just don't read both of his posts at the same sitting
[05:18]  * Flannel mutters about a total waste of planet space.
[05:18] <elky_work> Flannel: the yass one is less rude, but one that is famous in the part of the country i come from
[05:19] <Flannel> elky_work: not rude, just... stupid.  If I wanted to see something like this, I'd ... browse youtube or something.
[05:19]  * Flannel considers asking Fuxxor to change his nick.
[05:19] <elky_work> Flannel: yes, do
[05:20] <Flannel> elky_work: What do you think, in channel, or in query?
[05:21] <Flannel> eh, moot point.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> elky_work: the lack of wiping of the hard drive is the 1%, which is currently still unsupported.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> ti does everything else.
[06:01]  * Hobbsee eyes planet.
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> what now?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> well, it's certainly a good way of alerting people to the irc council.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> and might get people who normally wouldn't think of nominating, to do so
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Aaah
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Eyeing as in "maybe I should post", not eyeing as in "they said what now?"
[06:04] <Hobbsee> you've not seen cody's post?
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> Not yet
[06:04]  * tonyyarusso goes to read
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Okay, I have now.
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Not bad choices, actually.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: indeed.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> although i've not seen much from boredandblogging
[06:07]  * Hobbsee pokes mneptok with a stick
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Not that I've seen either in a moderation / dispute resolution capacity, but hey.
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: boredandblogging basically WAS the UWN around the time I stopped having time to contribute to it.
[06:08] <Flannel>  /me +1s boredandblogging
[06:08] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Various other things too, but that's where I know him most from.
[06:08] <Flannel> for nomination.  maybe I'm jumping the gun.
[06:08] <Hobbsee> i'd like to see mneptok and such on there.
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> hehe, it's a new game!  Called "hilight anyone you think should submit a self-nomination"!
[06:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:19]  * Hobbsee wonders how many of the nominations will actually make it to people to be voted on / selected from
[06:24] <nalioth> time will tell
[06:25] <Tm_T> mmmmm, what nomination are we talking now?
[06:26] <nalioth> Tm_T: for IRC council
[06:26] <Tm_T> ah
[06:26] <Tm_T> I hope noone nominates me
[06:27] <nalioth> nominations are self-induced
[06:27] <Hobbsee> i wonder if we'll get a full list, of who nominated at all?
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> if someone can make me two clones so I'd have time for such things, I'd consider it, but......no.
[06:32]  * tonyyarusso goes to bed - gotta be at work at 8AM tomorrow :(
[06:33] <elky_work> you need to have logical time to do these things? someone should have let me in on that....
[07:21]  * Flannel bonks elky_work for having a stupid spam prevention.
[07:22] <elky_work> Flannel: hehe
[07:22]  * elky_work checks the comment queue
[07:22] <Flannel> elky_work: It asks in text, and then expects the answer in a number!
[07:22] <elky_work> ha
[07:25] <elky_work> where is this mythical comment?
[07:26] <Flannel> no idea?  your web server gobbled it up
[07:30] <elky_work> the blog is on my dreamhost account, so quite possible
[07:30] <Flannel> nom nom nom
[07:32] <Madpilot> speaking of computers doing the "nom nom nom" thing, great blogpost by Hobbsee on "Ultramoronix" or whatever the latest script-of-doom is called...
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ?
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: that was elky_work.
[07:32] <Flannel> Madpilot: you mean elky_work
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: have you confused us already?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> i know we're both women, but you should really be able to tell us apart....
[07:33] <Flannel> Madpilot: its easy... Hobbsee has a "Hobbs" in her name.
[07:33] <Madpilot> pardon me. I'm confusing the ladies of ubuntu-irc!
[07:33]  * Madpilot shall now grovel
[07:33] <Flannel> Madpilot: If there were *three* of them, you might be able to get away with confusing them though.
[07:33]  * Flannel waits for Myrtti to chime in.
[07:33] <Madpilot> In my defence, it's late, and there's an empty pint glass beside this keyboard :)
[07:34] <elky_work> Flannel: were you signing as 'puppies'?
[07:34]  * Hobbsee pokes the puppies with Myrtti's Fluffy Pink Pen Of Poking (tm)
[07:35] <Flannel> elky_work: no, that's certainly not me.  nope.
[07:35] <elky_work> Hobbsee: forgive my friend, he's Canadian. ;)
[07:35]  * elky_work ducks the flying glass
[07:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:36]  * Flannel doesn't choose random nouns as "names" in blog responses.  nope.  not him.
[07:37] <elky_work> put the better worded of the two through
[07:37] <Flannel> second time around almost always comes out better.
[07:38] <elky_work> yeah
[07:38] <Madpilot> people still use Lynx for actual, live websurfing? Wow.
[07:38] <Tm_T> Madpilot: why not?
[07:38] <Madpilot> The 1980s called, they'd like their browser back sometime :)
[07:39] <Flannel> Madpilot: Not only that, but take a look at the version on said lynx
[07:39] <elky_work> Madpilot: text-based stuff is good for readability on tiny screens
[07:39] <elky_work> if all you want is the words, it's great
[07:40]  * Flannel notices that lynx has changed a whole .1 from dapper to hardy.
[07:40] <Flannel> sort of makes my version comment more silly.
[07:41]  * elky_work wonders what the changelog for lynx says the .1 is
[07:42] <Flannel> elky_work: Actually, dapper to feisty went from 2.8.5-1 to -2
[07:42] <elky_work> wth did they change though?
[07:43] <Flannel> Some security things... and... some bugs...
[07:43] <Flannel> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/lynx/lynx_2.8.6-2ubuntu2/changelog
[07:43] <Flannel> There's the history of it 2.8.5-1 is the starting dapper version
[07:45] <elky_work> "  * Fixed missing icon in KDE menu (LP: #159580)"
[07:45] <elky_work> that was the latest update for ubuntu.
[07:45] <elky_work> a text-only browser, and they were irked about it's freaking icon
[07:46] <Flannel> elky_work: and the one before that was homepage, maintainer, standards version.
[07:46] <elky_work> i did notice
[07:46] <elky_work> 1 -> 2 was worth it though
[07:51] <Flannel> elky_work: you approved both of them, it looks like
[07:54] <elky_work> only long enough to get them out of the spam queue
[08:38] <elkeee> Flannel, still around?
[08:38] <Myrtti> meh.
[08:38] <Myrtti> thou hast called my name in vain
[08:38]  * Myrtti larts
[08:39] <Hobbsee> now, how can i /cycle and pick the data center i end up in?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> sorry, the server that i end up using?
[08:39] <elkeee> did you reply to the idiot again, because the new wp-admin panel makes it really easy to accidentally brush a delete button... i just deleted a comment :-/
[08:40] <elkeee> specify them in your server list for the network
[08:41]  * elkeee huggles Myrtti
[08:41] <Tm_T> me too :(
[08:43]  * elkeee huggles Tm_T too
[08:53] <Tm_T> elkeee: ooooh, huggles <3
[08:53] <Seeker`> o/
[08:55] <wgrant> What is this new Eeee PC?
[08:55] <Tm_T> elkeee: multiplying?
[08:56] <elkeeee> wgrant, stupid sydney tunnels
[08:56] <wgrant> elkeeee: Ah.
[09:43] <Flannel> elky: what;s up?
[09:43] <Flannel> elky: oh, no, I didn't.
[09:44] <Flannel> you deleted a real person's comment.
[09:52] <elky> Flannel, crap
[09:53] <Tm_T> erp
[10:03] <elky> hmm... according to the database, i was hallucinating. i think noscript still being enabled on my blog domain saved me
[10:22] <Myrtti> this is so unfair
[10:22] <Myrtti> I'm working on my only vacation week
[10:28] <Seeker`> Myrtti: :(
[10:28] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why?
[10:30] <Myrtti> apparently because I'm too nice
[10:31] <Seeker`> ah
[11:18] <jussi01> Have I said I love kde4 yet?
[11:18] <Myrtti> have I said I love gwibber, yet?
[11:19] <Myrtti> and a couple of other things too
[11:19] <jussi01> but I still want a jaiku plasmoid :(
[11:20] <jussi01> elky: nice blog post
[11:21] <elky> jussi01, :)
[12:23] <Pici> Whats a gwibber?
[12:24] <Myrtti> https://launchpad.net/gwibber
[12:28] <Myrtti> feels weird not using the damned USB wifi thing
[12:36] <elky> heh
[12:59]  * jussi01 wonders if theres a kwibber...
[12:59] <Myrtti> jussi01: make a blueprint or something of it in launchpad
[12:59] <Myrtti> jussi01: the project is in so early stages that someone could quite easily pick it up
[13:00] <Myrtti> methinks.
[13:00] <jussi01> :)
[13:00]  * jussi01 goes to continue packing...
[13:12] <Pici> !ping
[13:20]  * Myrtti pokes jussi01 in the ribs
[13:20] <jussi01> mitä?
[13:22] <Myrtti> *squeek*
[13:47]  * Myrtti grunts and sods off
[16:03] <Hobbsee> sigh, people
[16:03] <Pici> Ibex is so buggy, you people should be ashamed.
[16:03] <Hobbsee> he's booted with the splash screen, i'll bet.
[16:03] <Hobbsee> booting without it seems to work fine
[16:04] <Tm_T> Pici: yes, I'm ashamed that it works
[16:04] <Tm_T> it shouldn't!
[16:04] <Hobbsee> oh, his bug is even worse...
[16:05] <Hobbsee> i wish we could force clueless people not to use intrepid.
[16:06] <poningru> Pici, yarr
[16:06] <Pici> so... repeat that again about the channel
[16:06] <poningru> oh right
[16:06] <poningru> sorry
[16:06] <poningru> I was wondering if I can create a #ubuntu-netbook channel
[16:07] <Hobbsee> wow, there's a nick i haven't seen in a while
[16:07] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: where?
[16:07] <Hobbsee> poningru:
[16:07] <Tm_T> oh, I see
[16:07] <Hobbsee> or are you meaning the clueless guy?
[16:08] <Tm_T> no, the nick you haven't seen
[16:08]  * Tm_T see way too many nicks
[16:10] <poningru> :p
[16:10]  * poningru hugs Hobbsee 
[16:10] <poningru> I have been around
[16:10] <Hobbsee> :D
[16:10] <poningru> started a biking project
[16:10] <Pici> poningru: So, whats Ubuntu-netbook?
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: ....
[16:10] <poningru> so the netbook market is exploding right now
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: how long have you been hiding under a rock for?
[16:10] <poningru> netbook is essentially a tiny cheap linux notebook
[16:10] <Pici> Is it different from #ubuntu-mobile?
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: yes
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: they're smaller
[16:11] <ikonia> talking say the eepc - that sort of thing ?
[16:11] <poningru> canonical is currently producing a particular OS for the netbook market
[16:11] <poningru> ikonia, right
[16:11] <Hobbsee> ikonia: that's the one
[16:11] <Pici> I thought we had a channel like that...
[16:11] <Pici> !irc
[16:11] <poningru> and aspire one, msi wind, etc.
[16:11] <poningru> we do?
[16:11]  * Pici looks
[16:11] <Pici> poningru: I could be wrong
[16:11] <bazhang> #eeepc
[16:11] <ikonia> poningru: yes, I've been working with the MSI one for a month or so now and an early prototype a few months earlier
[16:12] <poningru> ikonia, !!!
[16:12] <ikonia> ?
[16:12] <poningru> I am currently working on the aspire one
[16:12] <poningru> as in just independently
[16:12] <Pici> poningru: nah, I think I'm imagining it
[16:12] <poningru> didnt get a prototype or anything
[16:12]  * Hobbsee eyes that bug
[16:12] <poningru> Pici, oh :(
[16:12] <ikonia> one of the labs I was in got an MSI prototype a few  months back
[16:12]  * Tm_T hugs Hobbsee 
[16:12]  * Hobbsee holds up a sign:  "you need to be this intelligent to run intrepid"
[16:14]  * Myrtti wants a pink MSI wind
[16:15] <ikonia> Myrtti: do they do them in colours now ?
[16:15] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/26516955@N07/2487369951/
[16:16] <nalioth> poningru: can we help you?
[16:16] <ikonia> oh cool, they have changed the shell casing also
[16:16] <Pici> nalioth: he wants to know about setting up #ubuntu-netbook
[16:17] <poningru> sorry at work
[16:17] <Myrtti> ikonia: that's 420€ here
[16:17]  * Hobbsee stabs, and waves the sign around more
[16:17] <Hobbsee> whoever mentions the phrase "graphical bash"....
[16:17] <Tm_T> o/
[16:19] <poningru> yeah aspire one is about 379USD here
[16:19] <poningru> so yeah can we make that channel?
[16:19] <Myrtti> what about #ubuntu-mobile ?
[16:20] <poningru> I will be in it 24/7 in two days
[16:20] <Myrtti> oh, but that was the different project
[16:20] <poningru> Myrtti, I think thats a different ...
[16:20] <poningru> yeah
[16:20] <bazhang> that's for touchscreens
[16:20] <Tm_T> poningru: only if Myrtti has her pink MSI wind
[16:20] <poningru> lol
[16:20] <poningru> bazhang, well netbooks can have a touchscreens as well
[16:20] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso++
[16:21] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i'm hoping if that guy gets ignored, he'll go away.
[16:21] <Pici> 8.10 beta 3?!
[16:21] <ikonia> Hobbsee: understood
[16:22] <Hobbsee> ikonia: but i might not get my wish :P
[16:27] <Myrtti> great
[16:27] <Myrtti> clamav live doesn't recognize the keyboard
[16:37] <poningru> so about that channel...
[16:38] <nalioth> poningru: are you not talking to nickserv?  ( please identify )
[16:40] <mneptok> "that channel?"
[16:42] <poningru> created
[16:42] <poningru> nalioth, done
[16:42] <poningru> mneptok, #ubuntu-netbook
[16:43] <mneptok> ach so.
[16:43] <mneptok> i've heard of these netbooks. the kids seem to think they're "groovy."
[16:43] <jussi01> rofl
[16:44] <Myrtti> mneptok: be sure you don't end up within hug proximity of me
[16:45]  * mneptok 's locked in a morbid orbit
[16:46] <poningru> brb lunch
[16:53] <nalioth> we _do_ have trolls that go around using other peoples nicks, so identifying with nickserv is important
[17:03] <Myrtti> I just love how anal the ops of IRCnet's !assembly are during the party
[17:03] <Myrtti> 19:01 @,- Shancial is now known as ShancialAway
[17:03] <Myrtti> 19:01 @,- ShancialAway was kicked from !assembly by rutkutin [Banned: No away-nicks!]
[17:07]  * Tm_T hugs mneptok 
[17:13] <poningru> nalioth, oh true
[18:08] <ikonia> jpds: when did he sneak in ?
[18:08] <jpds> ikonia: Who?
[18:08] <ikonia> trojan
[18:08] <ikonia> isn't that the guy from earlier with the "surveys"
[18:09] <ikonia> ooh you removed him
[18:09] <ikonia> as in the ban
[18:09] <jpds> He came in about 10 minutes ago, it was a timed mute ban.
[18:09] <jpds> He must of left on his own accord, I only /at'ed him.
[18:09] <ikonia> thought it was the guy from earlier coming back
[18:24] <Pici> hrm, him again?
[18:30] <ikonia> he didn't hang around
[18:30] <Pici> he was in a few times yesterday
[18:32] <ikonia> do you think it's worth removing the ban, as it looks like he's checking if it's still in place
[18:32] <ikonia> Tm_T was under the impression he was "sorry" yesterday
[18:32] <Pici> If you feel that way, sure.
[18:34] <ikonia> he's on line, I'll drop him a quick pm
[18:34] <Tm_T> ikonia: msg him and talk about .... ah, you're at it already
[18:36] <kevinO> hi
[18:37] <ikonia> ahh hello kevinO
[18:37] <ikonia> thanks for joining
[18:37] <kevinO> np
[18:37] <ikonia> it's only a quick one to see if you understand why you where removed from #ubuntu yesterday and make sure your ok with ensuring that it doesn't happen again
[18:38] <ikonia> do you understand why you where removed and banned from the channel ?
[18:38] <kevinO> yeah, i should have just let it go, but i didnt. I apologize
[18:38] <ikonia> thats great, no problem
[18:38] <ikonia> give it a few minutes and I'll have the ban cleared
[18:38] <kevinO> ok thanks
[18:39] <kevinO> later
[18:41] <ikonia> Tm_T: looks like you where spot on
[18:46] <Tm_T> :)
[18:57] <Tm_T> hrrr, something fishy is going on in Finland: http://www.assemblytv.net/2008/broadcast.php.fi?br=2048
[19:01] <Tm_T> bah, aren't showing anything from the event atm
[19:15] <Myrtti> meh
[19:19] <Myrtti> Tm_T: pöks
[19:20] <Myrtti> Tm_T: you remember what options grub needs to be given to get finnish keyboard layout?
[19:20] <Myrtti> keyb=fi?
[19:21] <ikonia> ubotu just joined #ubuntu
[19:21] <Pici> hm
[19:22] <Myrtti> ubotu?
[19:22] <ikonia> yes
[19:22] <ikonia> identified as seveas
[19:22] <Myrtti> wth
[19:22] <Pici> I'm asking seveas about it
[19:22] <Myrtti> bad
[19:22] <Pici> yes
[19:22] <Myrtti> I feel really bad
[19:22] <ikonia> it doesn't appear active
[19:22] <Myrtti> not good
[19:22] <ikonia> tested it and it didn't respond
[19:26] <Pici> ikonia: because its running irssi, not supybot.
[19:26] <ikonia> no biggy
[19:30] <ikonia> funny watching ubotu give out interactive advice
[19:30] <Myrtti> why is he using ubotu nick?
[19:30] <Pici> He said emma was using it.
[19:31] <Pici> And he didnt want that.
[19:31] <Myrtti> WHAT?!
[19:31] <Myrtti> emma?
[19:31] <Myrtti> WTH
[19:32] <ikonia> if he's got proof of that, it seems like she should just be removed as her intention is clearly to cause trouble/issues for ubuntu using ubotu
[19:32] <ikonia> thats not in line with the "behaviour" bond she agreed to
[19:33] <Pici> If it was just in her channels, I dont think its that malicious.
[19:33] <nalioth> emma was sitting on it ( unidentified )
[19:33] <ikonia> oh come on
[19:33] <ikonia> this is a joke
[19:33] <ikonia> she  knows what that nick is
[19:34] <nalioth> y'all put down your tomahawks.  nothing has happened with the 'ubotu' nick.
[19:34] <ikonia> thats not the point
[19:34] <Pici> I know. I'm just saying that she wasn't in our channels, so its not that big of a deal.
[19:34] <mneptok> but it is.
[19:34] <ikonia> Pici: it is in my view as it gives the impression ubotu is active in #club-ubuntu
[19:34] <ikonia> there is no reason for her to sit on that nick
[19:34] <ikonia> other than to cause issue
[19:34] <mneptok> that nick is owned by someone else. the person that owns it has been in conflict with emma.
[19:34] <ubotu> interesting
[19:35] <ubotu> ubotu can't join -offtopic? :)
[19:35] <nalioth> ikonia: ubotu was not in ##club-ubuntu
[19:35] <mneptok> emma has NO good reason to be using that nick. in fact, she has every reason to avoid it.
[19:35] <ikonia> nalioth: sorry, that was in response to Pici's suggestion
[19:35] <ikonia> mneptok: exactly, and the "good behaviour" bond she agreed to - not exactly the spirit
[19:35] <nalioth> nobody but folks who /whois'd ubotu knew about it, anyway
[19:35] <ikonia> nalioth: thats even more the point
[19:35] <nalioth> the nick wasn't out parading around
[19:35] <ikonia> nalioth: giving the impression that ubotu is online/available
[19:36] <mneptok> nalioth: so "if you don't get caught, it's OK" is in keeping with the spirit of the CoC?
[19:36] <nalioth> ikonia: rigggghhhhtt.  instead of being in dozens of channels, it was in none . . .
[19:36] <ubotu> ah well, had to drop in here anyway
[19:36] <ikonia> nalioth: no, I take that point, I really do, but its the intent
[19:36] <nalioth> hi seveas
[19:37] <ikonia> nalioth: can you supply one valid reason for emma to be sitting on that nick
[19:37] <ubotu> theres's a new version of chanserv.py for people who want it, fixing a bug. It will no longer break when trying to forward mibbit people
[19:37] <ikonia> ubotu: I wouldn't mind trying it as I'm currently using irssi and would appriciate other options
[19:38] <nalioth> ikonia: the folks in #auto_bleh haven't incorporated the chanserv.py features, yet?
[19:38] <Pici> The ban is gone from -offtopic, I dont remember why it was tehre.
[19:38] <ubotu> and don't worry, emma can no longer sit on ubuntu, I've poked at nickserv to protect it
[19:38] <ikonia> nalioth: some of them yes, but when I'm at home I'd like to have the option of playing with xchat a little more
[19:38] <ubotu> s/ubuntu/ubotu/
[19:38] <ikonia> ubotu: I'm more worried about the intent rather than what happened
[19:38] <ubotu> have fun with your mess, /me out
[19:38] <Pici> cya seveas
[19:38] <ikonia> s/worried/frustrated
[19:38] <nalioth> ikonia: _nothing_ happened with ubotu/emma
[19:39] <nalioth> it wasn't in any channels
[19:39] <ikonia> nalioth: she logged in as it - as I said, the intent not the actions
[19:39] <nalioth> she did _not_ log in as ubotu
[19:39] <nalioth> seveas was just here logged in as ubotu
[19:39] <ikonia> nalioth: ok, could you define "sitting on the nick" so I'm clear
[19:40] <mneptok> nalioth: it's nick-squatting, plain and simple. she knows the nick is registered, registered to someone with whom she has had conflict, and she's playing games.
[19:40] <nalioth> ikonia: when you are not here, _anyone_ can assume your nick ( but not identify to it )
[19:40] <ikonia> nalioth: I appricate that, I can imagine people using it by mistake, but in this situation could you suggest one valid reason for emma to assume the nick ubotu
[19:40] <nalioth> mneptok: that may be so, but she didn't show it off anywhere
[19:41] <mneptok> nalioth: so "if you don't get caught, it's OK" is in keeping with the spirit of the CoC? (x2)
[19:41] <ikonia> nalioth: put that in context with her "no trouble" coc bond
[19:41] <nalioth> don't go into the "intent" thing.  you have not idea what she was wont to do with it.
[19:42] <ikonia> nalioth: ok so what would a valid reason for her to assume that identity be
[19:42] <nalioth> the fact that she kept it in no channel ( so nobody would see it or tab-complete it ) tells us something
[19:42] <ikonia> nalioth: what does it tell us, as I'm missing that
[19:42] <nalioth> she didn't do anything with it
[19:42] <ikonia> ???
[19:42] <ikonia> so ?
[19:43] <nalioth> it's the same as some guy dressing up in his wifes clothes while she's out shopping.  when she returns from shopping, her clothes are back in the closet
[19:43] <Pici> thats a great analogy.
[19:43] <ikonia> what about if that guy was on a final warning from divorce if he had one more row with his wife
[19:43] <nalioth> what difference does it make whether the nick is unused or sitting off in no channels ?
[19:44] <ikonia> nalioth: provide one valid reason why should would be on a known nick to ubuntu
[19:44] <ikonia> nalioth: if there is a valid reason I'm missing I'll forget it and move along
[19:44] <nalioth> ikonia: i don't have to provide a valid reason.  she didn't do ANYthing with it
[19:44] <mneptok> nalioth: other than use it
[19:44] <nalioth> mneptok: WHERE did she use it?
[19:44] <Pici> ikonia: What reason would people have to contact ubotu when it hasnt been in #ubuntu* channels for months?
[19:44] <mneptok> nalioth: which, to my mind, violates the spirit of the CoC and her agreement to abide by it.
[19:44] <nalioth> did she go into #ubuntu and fool people into /msg'g here?
[19:45] <ikonia> nalioth: apologies, I was asking in your experience would there/could there be a valid reason I'm missing
[19:45] <mneptok> nalioth: she used it connected to the ircd.
[19:45] <ikonia> Pici: I concur with that,
[19:45]  * nalioth gives up.  You guys need to put the pitchforks down and put out the torches.
[19:45] <Pici> I agree its not good, but its not terrible.
[19:45] <ikonia> Pici: agreed
[19:46] <Pici> More in the annoying category actually.
[19:46] <Pici> But meh.
[19:46] <nalioth> _if_ she'd taken the nick for a spin into #ubuntu* channels, i'd be just as mad as you ( but she didn't )
[19:46] <ikonia> nalioth: pitch forks are not out - but do you not find it odd that a user that has had such a troubled past, and history, and how basiclly signed a bond of behaviour would assume a known nick and just sit on it ?
[19:46] <ikonia> nalioth: I agree with that
[19:46] <Myrtti> I'm more worried with ANYONE using that nick
[19:46] <Myrtti> it shouldn't be in use. at all.
[19:46] <nalioth> and so it won't be, now.
[19:46] <Pici> seveas should set the enforce thing on for that account
[19:47] <ikonia> Pici: which I believe he just has
[19:55] <Myrtti> woooooo http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2720570152/
[19:57] <Pici> woo (I guess)
[19:58] <Myrtti> I bought a cd-rw and dvd-rw for nothing
[19:58] <Myrtti> but I guess they might come handy later
[19:58] <Pici> It never hurts to have spare hardware... except when you have a whole room full of it.
[19:59] <Myrtti> oh
[19:59] <Myrtti> not hardware
[19:59] <Myrtti> disks
[19:59] <Pici> oh
[19:59] <Pici> Yeah, those are good too
[19:59] <Myrtti> anyway
[19:59] <Myrtti> two days of struggle
[19:59] <Nafallo> discs are not hardware? :-)
[19:59] <Pici> I'd concider them media.
[20:00] <Myrtti> and now I'm finally scanning my sisters w2k machine throughout
[20:00] <Pici> Find anything yet?
[20:00] <Myrtti> nope
[20:01] <Myrtti> but that's live clamav cd
[20:01] <Myrtti> it has ntfs-3g... had to boot with irqpoll to get the keyboard to work
[20:02] <Myrtti> there's been some trojans on the computer and my ex broke out his deal with my sister and did crappy job so now I'm doing what he didn't
[20:02] <mneptok> love you better?
[20:03] <Myrtti> hah.
[20:03] <Myrtti> lol
[20:03] <Myrtti> fix the damn computer
[20:03] <Pici> oh, thats boring.
[20:20] <Myrtti> Heh. I gave my laptop to the 12yo for him to play Runescape with while I scan the viruses
[20:28] <Myrtti> Btw the kid might be on telly sports news at 11, jussi01
[20:28] <jussi01> really?
[20:29] <Myrtti> yeah he was at 9 news
[20:30] <Myrtti> At the Haka - cork game
[20:30] <Myrtti> Was walking in with Haka players
[20:30] <Myrtti> And Haka won, whee
[20:31] <jussi01> nice
[20:53] <ompaul> it is gone away
[20:53] <ompaul> :=--/
[20:53] <ompaul> wow I made a new one
[21:06] <Myrtti> meh
[21:57] <Myrtti> Moment of truth
[21:57] <ompaul> k
[21:57] <Myrtti> Does it
[21:57] <Myrtti> Boot
[21:58] <jussi01> good luck
[21:58] <Myrtti> So far so good
[22:24] <Myrtti> It works.
[22:24] <Myrtti> Whee
[22:24] <Pici> yay
[22:26] <Myrtti> Heck. BBC World
[22:27] <ikonia> your watching bbc world ?
[22:28] <mneptok> Bare Bowling Championship?
[22:29] <ikonia> Broad Back Cannoing
[22:30] <mneptok> Big Bad Clams
[22:30] <Myrtti> Yeah
[22:30]  * mneptok is not afraid of the Big Bad Clams
[22:30] <ompaul> mneptok, I seen a 6 footer
[22:30] <mneptok> unless they are wearing a full-head latex Hobbsee mask
[22:30] <ompaul> in real life
[22:30] <Pici> scary
[22:31] <mneptok> ompaul: i'll bet your wife would say "psssh ... more like 2 feet."
[22:31] <Myrtti> Well the 12yo is still playing Runescape on my laptop
[22:31] <ompaul> heh
[22:31] <ompaul> mneptok, no
[22:31] <mneptok> (male/female length judgment is like that)
[22:31] <Myrtti> Ive got nothing better to do
[22:33] <Myrtti> Im happy though that I asked kapsi to open ports to my irssi proxy
[22:33] <Myrtti> Irc with mobile phone is so much easier with mirggi
[22:46] <Dave2> damn you for being able to IRC from mobile!
[22:51] <jussi01> lol
[22:51] <jussi01> Dave2: what kind of mobile you have?
[22:51]  * mneptok got rid of his cell phone
[22:52] <mneptok> blame Canada.
[22:53] <Dave2> jussi01, one that's capable of running IRC and SSH clients, but my network won't let 'em do anything useful
[22:54] <jussi01> Dave2: shucks!
[22:54]  * jussi01 has n95, with putty and mriggi
[22:54] <jussi01> but I hate the keyboard - it sucks
[22:55]  * Dave2 has a 623
[22:55] <Dave2> 6230
[23:07]  * jussi01 is earning guitar and his fingeers hurt :/
[23:07] <jussi01> learning even
[23:08] <ikonia>  jussi01 lighter guage strings while your learning
[23:08] <jussi01> ikonia: yeah - got them ;)
[23:08] <jussi01> still getting the calouses though
[23:08] <jussi01> trying to learn to finger pick atm
[23:09] <jussi01> house of the rising sun etc
[23:09] <ikonia> my fingers are dead
[23:09] <ikonia> in terms of skin
[23:09] <jussi01> dunno if Im doing it right, but meh...
[23:10] <ikonia> if it hurts, it's right
[23:10] <jussi01> ikonia: no, the plucking stuff...
[23:10] <jussi01> im following some random guide on the net
[23:11] <ikonia> ha ha
[23:11] <ikonia> random guide
[23:11] <Myrtti> meh.
[23:12] <jussi01> google ftw
[23:13] <jussi01> getting confused sometimes though...
[23:16]  * Myrtti yawns
[23:17] <jussi01> ok, bed time ide expect...
[23:18] <Myrtti> meh.
[23:18] <Myrtti> yeah, it would be smart
[23:46] <Myrtti> my eyes burn. now the 12yo is googling about lacoste shoes.
[23:48] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ?
[23:56] <Myrtti> well... he played runescape on my laptop for three hours
[23:56] <Myrtti> and after he was interrupted, he moved to shopping shoes.
[23:57] <Myrtti> note...
[23:57] <Myrtti> 2008-08-01 01:57:12
[23:58] <Seeker`> why is a 12yo on your laptop?
[23:58] <Myrtti> because I took over the desktop computer to scan it for viruses with live clamav cd on command prompt
[23:59] <Myrtti> and he couldn't play Runescape with it for the duration of the scans