[00:06] Hmm, I think kubuntu-default-settings is still using hardy cdbs [00:07] oh, it doesnt' use cdbs [00:07] no matter [00:07] s/matter/problem [00:07] oh, debian/rules says it does... [00:08] but I don't see a cdbs folder in debain??? [00:08] *debian [00:20] * JontheEchidna is pushing his kubuntu-default-settings changes if anybody is interested [00:24] * JontheEchidna thinks uploading will take a while since he moved around megabytes worth of files [00:31] apachelogger: the background looks a bit washed out [00:32] imo [00:33] otherwise it looks smashing [00:34] maybe I just need to get used to it like you said :P [00:38] apparently I did the stuff in my bashrc wrong [00:39] which bg? [00:40] emunkki: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/07/breath-of-fresh-air-for-konsole.html [00:40] a-ha [00:42] yoyoyo [00:42] yay, that's better [01:08] I think at some point we should declare 4.1 for Hardy done and move if from the PPA to hardy-backports. How close are we to that? [01:09] we should probably get translations working before that [01:09] I think that got solved in Intrepid today. [01:09] What else is needing done? [01:12] I thinks it's done [01:12] * vorian checks [01:12] ScottK: apps don't quit properly [01:12] that should be fixed before [01:12] eek [01:12] konqueror, kate, kopete at least [01:12] others probably as well [01:13] Is that a QT issue? [01:13] no idea [01:13] worked in RC 1 [01:14] If it's a kdelibs problem, updating a single package once we have a solution is not an issue. [01:14] but right now i have to kill kate every time i closed it and want to open a new one [01:14] that is a PITA :( [01:14] I can imagine. [01:15] there is a bug report on launchpad about it [01:15] maybe there is more info there [01:15] sec [01:15] Same thing in Debian, BTW (time is -0400): [07:59] hey, seems like there's a serious issue in 4.1 : when closing apps, their process continue to run. I just tested it with kopete and kate. Anyone already noticed it ? [01:15] *nod* [01:15] right [01:16] that is it [01:16] tell him konqueror as well ;-) [01:16] That was about 12 hours ago, so I doubt he's still around. [01:16] Actually he is. [01:16] ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/253659 [01:17] Launchpad bug 253659 in kdebase-workspace "Kate hangs when I close it" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:17] * ScottK looks. [01:17] ScottK: see apachelogger's comment on http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167522 for a list of affected apps [01:17] KDE bug 167522 in general "Konqueror process doesn't stop after close (keeps running iddle)" [Normal,Reopened] [01:18] OK. [01:19] anyway [01:19] I am tired [01:19] good night :) [01:19] * seele waves [01:19] nini Nightrose [01:20] Good night. [03:07] JontheEchidna: are you using your flicker plasmoid right now? [03:08] not at the mometn [03:08] *moment [03:08] I hope the current photo is not default [03:08] it randomly selects photos marked as "interesting" off of flickr [03:08] re-updates every two minutes [03:09] eek! [03:09] a headless dude [03:09] this is one weird thing you packaged [03:09] lol [03:09] nightrose made me :P [03:09] * JontheEchidna is joking [03:09] only one snag, line 4 in your copyright [03:09] hehe [03:09] :) [03:10] * JontheEchidna checks [03:10] oh, right [03:10] :) [03:11] other than that, looks perfect [03:11] coolness [03:12] right-o, good work ! [03:14] * JontheEchidna reupps to revu [03:14] and good night [03:14] nn [03:14] no folder view on the desktop/dashboard by default in intrepid, bug or by design ? [03:15] night night JontheEchidna [03:15] * Jucato thinks of BreezytheBadger now :) [03:15] Jucato: bug [03:15] it worked with stock alpha 3 though [03:15] * JontheEchidna is away for reals now [03:15] heh ok. I kept on deleting ~/.kde just to make sure [03:15] thanks [03:32] wow I'm impressed... suspend and hibernate work on Intrepid :) [03:39] Jucato: lol I've had suspend and hibernate surprise me enough recently that I'm no longer surprised [03:39] hardy, out of the box, Via AMD64 box with nvidia card, compiz running [03:39] hahah touché [06:18] hi, python-kde4 package conflicts with python-kde4-devel (in kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA) when trying to overwrite /usr/bin/pykdepuic4 [06:19] bug #253858 [06:19] Launchpad bug 253858 in python-kde4 "python-kde4 conflicts with python-kde4-dev while dealing with pykdeuic4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253858 [09:25] apachelogger: the red is a bit too red... === rraphink is now known as raphink [10:11] Any idea why signing mail with gpg fails with kmail in intrepid? Is that due to the gpg update we had recently? [10:12] hunger: upstream problem afaik [10:12] hunger: hold on, someone blogged about it in planetkde [10:13] hunger: http://randomguy3.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/kmail-trunk-signing/ [11:39] apachelogger: how do I load a colour scheme in konsole? [11:40] Appearance tab only has New.. and Edit.. [11:41] hmm, looks faded [11:41] * Riddell had to start a new Konsole [11:58] Hm, no alpha5 packages? :( It could seriously use some testing... [12:03] is there a www team? [12:05] Riddell: Could you please request that apt-xapian-index sync? I'll bite the bullet and upload to PPA. [12:05] The rest, that is. [12:06] vorian, how's monkeystudio looking? [12:10] flaccid: what do you need? [12:13] is there a web team or something. the documentation link doesn't work on wiki === mcas_away is now known as mcs === mcs is now known as mcas [12:16] Let's see if they build without change. [12:19] hmm, apt-xapian-index isn't in sync [12:19] JontheEchidna: get yourself a bitter display :P [12:19] "add package description summary" doesn't sound too important [12:19] jussi01: that is the get-used-to-it I was writing about ;-) [12:20] good morning to everyone else [12:20] Riddell: Hmm? [12:20] mornfall: apt-xapian-index synced [12:20] Riddell: Thanks. [12:21] apachelogger: hrm, its still too red... all the othe colors are slightly pastelized, but the red... and dont I get a good morning? :/ [12:21] jussi01: good afternoon :P [12:22] Oh. I consistently mis-spell intrepid. Bwah. : - ) [12:22] apachelogger: :D [12:22] jussi01: http://files.ruphy.org/oxy-konsole1.png [12:22] flaccid: it is a wiki - you should be able to change it [12:23] Nightrose: it's the headers [12:23] ah [12:23] jussi01: if the red does look too strong in context ýou should check your display [12:27] apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/HELgo7N.html [12:28] just a touch softer IMHO [12:31] well [12:31] for cmake it appears so strong because the font is bold :P [12:40] Riddell: About that planet subscription... Should I poke clee instead? [12:40] Riddell: [http://web.mornfall.net/planet/kde.rss] [12:40] Riddell: name = Petr Rockai [12:40] Or make that name = Petr Rockai (mornfall) [12:46] mornfall: pushed, should appear in half an hour or so [12:47] Riddell: Danke schön. [12:48] apachelogger: ping [12:48] mcas: pong [12:49] i have a bug at launchpad that could be related to the kate "close with X" problem [12:49] lp 253913 [12:49] Launchpad bug 253913 in kdesdk "kate starts only in terminal." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253913 [12:49] sorry lp 253912 [12:49] Launchpad bug 253912 in kdesdk "When kde starts many instance of kate run." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253912 [12:50] hm [12:50] it is [12:50] we use --use to reuse existing Kate session [12:50] now there is an existing session - it is just technically quit ;-) [12:50] ok can i mark it as duplicate? [12:50] yes [12:50] mcas: please also add a comment to the other bug [12:51] should i subscribe you at this bug [12:52] mcas: I am most likely already ;-) [12:52] just to let you guys know if you missed my last message - bug #253858 [12:52] Launchpad bug 253858 in python-kde4 "python-kde4 conflicts with python-kde4-dev while dealing with pykdeuic4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253858 [12:52] ok ;-) [12:55] hm [12:55] something is wrong here [12:56] morning [12:56] Hm, PPAs are unusually quick these days. [12:57] techno_freak: unlikely issue [12:58] apachelogger, will check it once again now :) [12:59] hey ho! [12:59] apachelogger: i add a comment and hope it is correct ;-) [13:00] Riddell: bug 251053 is fixed isn't it? [13:00] Launchpad bug 251053 in kdesdk "[upgrade error] missing replaces of kdesk-scripts on kdelibs4-dev" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251053 [13:00] apachelogger: rubberband: why i have to add a install file? i have the install commands in the rules [13:01] Xand3r: man dh_install [13:01] or kdeedu ... [13:01] how is make install gonna know which file belongs to which package? [13:01] magic? [13:01] guessing? [13:01] or maybe you should define that? :P [13:01] yes, magic [13:01] apachelogger: should be yes [13:01] apachelogger: have you watched my rule file? [13:01] Xand3r: no [13:02] thing is [13:02] apachelogger: lol [13:02] the debs are empty [13:02] not for me [13:02] ha [13:02] you want proof [13:02] no problem [13:03] Xand3r: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/ [13:03] -rwxr-xr-x root/root 167072 2008-07-31 21:38 ./usr/bin/rubberband [13:03] a klingon warship would fit in these packages, so empty are they :P [13:04] lol [13:04] there is the bin [13:04] hm [13:04] one bin [13:04] 3 [13:04] packages [13:04] YODA! [13:04] that can't be good :P [13:04] apachelogger: you know the others are libs [13:05] gnnaaa why is your lib empty [13:05] so they are supposed to be empty because they are libs? Oo [13:05] howdy ho [13:05] apachelogger: no [13:05] apachelogger, if he doesn't have any books? [13:05] ahoy smarter [13:06] Xand3r: "$(CURDIR)/debian/librubberband0/usr/lib/ladspa/ladspa-rubberband.so" 0 should be 2 [13:06] afternoon apachelogger [13:06] Xand3r: but doesn't it have a normal "make install" target you can use? [13:06] apachelogger: why the lib* package is empty hell [13:06] Riddell: no [13:06] Riddell: [13:06] emunkki: good point [13:06] its realy strange that source [13:07] * apachelogger can't aggree on that [13:07] back at work [13:07] but I also didn't look into the source now :P [13:07] apachelogger: thanks for review [13:07] Xand3r: running debuild I get files in debian/tmp/ [13:07] and thanks to the guy wich uploaded digikam [13:07] * Tm_T hugs emunkki [13:07] Xand3r: so just add .install files which list which files you want [13:08] * emunkki hugs Tm_T [13:08] Riddell: i did that thousend times before [13:08] dh_install could not find the files [13:08] emunkki: haven't seen you for awhile [13:09] Tm_T, sure, haven't been hanging around #amarok lately [13:09] Tm_T, been busy with commercial clients [13:09] emunkki: understandable [13:10] cat debian/rubberband.install [13:10] debian/tmp/usr/bin/rubberband [13:10] Xand3r: works for me [13:10] Riddell: that i have tested and it didnt work [13:10] i will test it again, thx [13:10] realy strange the world [13:10] Tm_T, you might've seen the mockup i did for kubuntu-web? [13:11] emunkki: not yet, where's that? [13:12] kdegraphics is broken [13:12] Tm_T, http://emonk.fi/work/kubuntu/ there's a few actually [13:12] check === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [13:25] Riddell: if we want a good amarok 2 (not taking into account whether thi is stabel before intrepid ;-) we should get libmtp 0.3.0 from debian [13:26] i want to recompile my clock applet with a patch, where do i find the sources in the repos? kdebase-dev is all i can see [13:27] kdebase-workspace has plasma stuff [13:28] im still on kde3 [13:28] so do you need the plasma headers? [13:28] or are you trying to get the source code of the plasmoids? [13:30] apachelogger: hmm, that needs a small bit of merging as I remember [13:30] Any MOTUs here that could take a look at monkeystudio? It is a Qt IDE: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=monkeystudio [13:30] * apachelogger shudders [13:31] * apachelogger queries vorian about status information of is monkeystudio review [13:31] erm i dont know much about kde but im looking to patch "kicker/applets/clock" in kdebase-3.5.* [13:31] Rioting_pacifist: apt-get source kdebase [13:31] apachelogger, what timezone is vorian in? [13:32] something US [13:33] we should all try to live according to UTC :P [13:33] DRebellion: Eastern US [13:33] vorian, hey :D [13:33] hello :) [13:33] hm [13:33] apachelogger, wonderful idea [13:33] i want to die, why now it works? i feel like e realy noob [13:33] that would be a kickass quassel feature - detecting the timezone based on the times a nick is active :D [13:34] apachelogger: /ctcp time. [13:34] uh [13:34] ctcp [13:34] I don't recommend actually doing that tho.. [13:34] haha. [13:34] it may burn [13:34] burn baby burn [13:34] that failed [13:35] Xand3r: we all know that feeling, I guess ... well, except for Riddell, his creator did a pretty good job to begin with ;-) [13:35] o.O [13:35] vorian, so, how's monkeystudio? [13:35] good good [13:36] i'm just doing another once over [13:36] :) [13:36] finally some good news [13:36] * apachelogger notes that he hopes to finish catching up with his mails today [13:36] then he can look at monekystudio again [13:36] or I in that case [13:36] apachelogger, want a few more? [13:36] emunkki: no [13:37] * apachelogger has to read strange bug report mails [13:37] kmail should drop out bugs which are closed [13:37] thx does apt-get source kdebase get it with all the ubuntu patches [13:37] =( kubuntu-kde4-desktop made all my qt based apps look rubbish in gnome [13:38] even after removal [13:38] Rioting_pacifist, yes [13:38] DRebellion: well, it made it look gtk :P [13:39] grr [13:39] * DRebellion spent the whole morning going through the kubuntu-kde4-desktop dependencies one by one and purging the hell out of them [13:39] * smarter guess gtk-qt-engine-kde4 [13:39] sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop && sudo apt-get --purge autoremove [13:39] :P [13:40] ldconfig-symlink-missing-for-shlib usr/lib/librubberband.so.2 usr/lib/librubberband.so.2.0.0 librubberband.so.2 ; that means i have to install a smylink from usr/lib/librubberband.so.2.0.0 to librubberband.so.2 ; apachelogger is that right? [13:40] apachelogger, that was an epic fail, remember? [13:40] smarter: that doesn't effect Qt based apps [13:40] DRebellion: no [13:40] smarter, i will take a look [13:40] Xand3r: pretty much [13:40] Xand3r: although actually make install should do that [13:40] DRebellion: try changing the theme with qtconfig-qt4 (apt-get install qt4-qtconfig) [13:40] please check whether you not just missed to install the file before you start creating symlinks yourself [13:41] smarter, which way round? 0o [13:41] DRebellion: qt4-qtconfig = package, qtconfig-qt4 = command to type [13:41] (thanks to the Debian packagers for that :P) [13:41] oh dear [13:41] hehe [13:43] smarter, it's fixed! [13:43] thanks :D [13:43] apachelogger: thats the make install http://paste.ubuntu.com/32968/ am i to blind to see it? [13:44] test -n ".2.0.0" && ln -s librubberband.so.2.0.0 /tmp/buildd/rubberband-1.2/debian/tmp//usr/lib/librubberband.so [13:44] * apachelogger finds that quite strange [13:45] or [13:45] * apachelogger needs a coffee before thinking about shared libs [13:46] apachelogger: i have no clue what it does, never saw the test command before, you are the master, how else could know it? [13:46] ls debian/tmp/usr/lib [13:49] apachelogger: i am using pbuilder sorry [13:49] Riddell: please comment on bug 203349 [13:49] Launchpad bug 203349 in language-pack-kde-sv "Broken plural forms in KDE" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203349 [13:50] * apachelogger is getting annoying [13:50] Xand3r: use a hooker [13:50] or manual build in pbuilder [13:50] O.o [13:50] or don't use pbuilder for .installs [13:50] vorian: not that kind of hooker :P [13:50] apachelogger: i use a hook [13:50] "this is a family channel" [13:50] :) [13:52] DRebellion: monkeystudio works for me, advocated [13:53] DRebellion: likewise, uploading :) [13:59] Nightrose: when is froscon? [14:00] apachelogger: 23/24 [14:00] * apachelogger should probably get a flight ;-) [14:00] apachelogger, you can walk [14:00] then I will have to start tomorrow [14:00] sounds good [14:06] Pretty please, can someone test that adept from: [14:06] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu intrepid main [14:06] installs and runs? [14:06] sure :) [14:07] The stuff in the accessibility folder of kubuntu-default-settings isn't very up-to-date, is it? [14:08] * JontheEchidna doesn't even know if it's being used [14:08] JontheEchidna: no, keep the files there but don't install them for now, it needs re-done for KDE 4 [14:08] it was used in KDE 3, you could boot up into various profiles [14:08] ok [14:09] Well if you'd like to see my work so far, I pushed 2 commits worth [14:10] vorian: Please also read the text at https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive -- it might help you testing ; - ) [14:10] ta :) [14:15] mornfall: sweet, works [14:15] installer window seems to be larger than my screen [14:16] JontheEchidna: what is the preferred bug for th systray painting issue? [14:17] mornfall: crash on close http://paste.ubuntu.com/32974/ [14:17] Riddell: ping [14:17] apachelogger: in LP? [14:17] aye [14:17] hi davmor2 [14:18] hmm [14:19] Riddell: I'm doing a bunch of smoke tests https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/DailySmoke todays Kubuntu live cd is missing the desktop widget so to start the install you need to go through dolphin, into desktop, then start. [14:19] apachelogger: I'm thinking 247393 [14:19] bug 247393 [14:19] Launchpad bug 247393 in kdebase-workspace "[Intrepid KDE4] regression -- systray is incorrectly painted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247393 [14:19] thx [14:20] davmor2: I believe the package just needs a rebuild, which I'll do shortly, so that should fix itself by tomorrow [14:21] JontheEchidna: I have an idea for you - wrt plasmoids - if it hasnt been come up with yet - want to hear? [14:21] cool I thought it might be something like that just checking that you knew. So when I test on monday it should be fixed right? [14:21] davmor2: yes should be [14:21] apachelogger: now rubberband is fine i think maybe you could review it again [14:21] jussi01: sure [14:22] Xand3r: doing bug triage right now [14:22] apachelogger: ok [14:22] JontheEchidna: Id love to see a konsole plasmoid - an actual embedded konsole, not just a launcher [14:22] go apachelogger [14:22] jussi01: that would be cool [14:22] 211 reports more :S [14:23] JontheEchidna: oh, and if someone wants to adapt the twitter plasmoid to take jaiku, that would be wonderful [14:24] Heh, you ever seen those long guides for setting your terminal as the background in Gnome? [14:24] you like, have to install obscure software [14:24] and modify half of a config file to do it [14:24] a konsole plasmoid would make it tons easier to do [14:25] if a konsole plasmoid were to magically fall out of the sky right now all you would have to do would be: [14:25] -install the plasmoid [14:25] -Change a single line of plasma-appletsrc [14:26] that shows the power of Plasma [14:26] cool! [14:27] well the plasmoid would have to have support for being a containment [14:27] bug that's only 3 or 4 more lines of code in the actual plasmoid [14:27] *but [14:27] if only there were (working) python bindings for plasma :( [14:28] btw, if we make our own plasmoids in the future, I'd discourage C++ where possible [14:28] hrm, is there a rss plasmoid yet? [14:28] jussi01: there's one in playground that works well [14:28] and ironically [14:28] one in kdenetwork that looks like crap [14:28] \o/ [14:29] ok, Im off to get my wife - back later. [14:34] Riddell: Indeed, I have that crash on TODO -- I discovered it only somewhere around where I have tagged the alpha. [14:35] JontheEchidna: bug 175904 - there is no 4.1 for gutsy! [14:35] Riddell, vorian, apachelogger, yay :D [14:35] Launchpad bug 175904 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox-3.0 window moves to current workspace" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175904 [14:35] JontheEchidna: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/175904/comments/48 [14:35] apachelogger, this is even bigger than posterazor! [14:35] Launchpad bug 175904 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox-3.0 window moves to current workspace" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:37] (The Xapian rebuild is teh slow. Hmh.) [14:37] apachelogger: d'oh [14:38] I guess I'll reclose that then [14:38] for kwin [14:39] Riddell: As for the installer window, it fits into a quadrant (1/4th) of my 1024x768 laptop screen? Not very well, but on 800x600 it should work fine? I'd hope... [14:41] Xand3r: why did you unassign from kdpkg? [14:41] JontheEchidna: would say so [14:41] apachelogger: hmm, i was angry about it [14:41] i sign it again^^ [14:41] dood [14:41] don't unassign from packages randomly [14:41] that is confusing [14:41] and it floods peoples inbox [14:42] apachelogger: kk [14:43] I'm off to train. See you in the evening, hopefully. [14:50] mornfall: tried installer again and didn't have any sizing issues [15:00] apachelogger: what do you think about bug 245557? [15:00] Launchpad bug 245557 in kdebase-kde4 "Icon size has no effect in preview mode, depends entirely on preview size instead" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245557 [15:02]