[03:02] <digistyl3> hi, is anyone concerned about those fake bot accounts on launchpad?
[03:09] <ScottK> It's not on my list of Launchpad security issues I worry about.
[03:12] <digistyl3> ScottK: any plans of adding something like captcha?
[03:13] <ScottK> digistyl3: I wouldn't know.  That's up to Launchpad's developers.
[03:15] <digistyl3> sorry, i thought you were a dev, since you mentioned "your" list of LP security issues ;)
[03:16] <ScottK> I'm a user, but there are aspects of the design I think are problematic from a security perpsective.
[04:47] <lifeless> is there a bug open about malones titles being improvable for history navigation? specifically bug listings saying 'bugs in XXX' is not enough  detail
[04:48] <kiko-afk> titles for bugs or for search pages?
[04:48] <kiko-afk> ah search results
[04:48] <kiko-afk> so what would be better and doable?
[04:48] <kiko-afk> Open bugs in XXX?
[04:48] <kiko-afk> Open bugs tagged foo in XXX?
[04:51] <lifeless> that sort of thing
[04:51] <lifeless> I had several refined searches in firefoxes history
[04:52] <lifeless> and I had to click back one at a time to find the one I wanted; this is excruciatingly slow :(
[04:52] <lifeless> I don't *think* there is a bug open on this, but I could be wrong
[04:55] <kiko-afk> it's pretty hard to get right
[04:57] <lifeless> kiko-afk: for sure
[04:57] <lifeless> thats why I said improvable rather than broken :>
[08:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:01] <kiko-afk> oy it's late
[08:03] <wgrant> Evening mpt, kiko-afk.
[08:03] <kiko-afk> evening william
[08:03] <kiko-afk> great to hear from you, will see you in a few hours when I fall out of bed onto my keyboard
[08:03] <kiko-afk> yawn
[08:04] <kiko-zzz> god damned branch that won't pass
[08:04] <wgrant> Heh.
[08:08] <thekorn> hi, first of all, the new http://bazaar.launchpad.net is looking really good, good work!
[08:08] <thekorn> but is this search field suppose to work?
[08:08] <thekorn> and what kind of data is included into this search?
[08:33] <spiv> thekorn: hmm, you just missed mwhudson, who would be the person to ask
[08:34] <spiv> thekorn: I'm not sure that it is functioning yet, but when it does I think it'll do the same sort of searches as the bzr-search plugin, which searches commit messages and files.
[08:35] <thekorn> spiv, ok thanks, I this this is not working yet, I always returns with "No result"
[08:36] <spiv> Yeah, that's my guess too.  I'll file a bug; if it's not functional yet then the search box shouldn't be there.
[08:36] <spiv> I've seen demos of that search box on servers where the bzr-search plugin is configured and it's quite sexy, so hopefully that will happen soon :)
[08:38] <thekorn> ok thanks, can you give me the bug number so I can see the progress
[08:40] <spiv> thekorn: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/253883
[08:41] <spiv> thekorn: thanks for the report
[08:41] <thekorn> spiv, thank you for fileing this bug!
[09:19] <intellectronica> mtaylor: ping
[09:19] <mtaylor> intellectronica: pong
[09:20] <intellectronica> mtaylor: hi, i wanted to run a quick LP usage survey by you
[09:20] <intellectronica> mtaylor: are you guys making use of the +roadmap page?
[09:21] <mtaylor> intellectronica: /me has more than one group... which is "we"
[09:21] <intellectronica> mtaylor: well, any of the groups you're part of, then :)
[09:21] <mtaylor> heh
[09:21] <mtaylor> intellectronica: then yes and no
[09:21] <intellectronica> ﻿mtaylor: the reason i'm asking is because it's getting quite hard to support it, and we're considering retiring it for now, and rebuilding it later. but only if (like we suspect) it's not being used much
[09:22] <mtaylor> I use it in one project because the link is there ...
[09:23] <mtaylor> wouldn't be sad if it went away
[09:25] <intellectronica> mtaylor: cool. i think we are going to take it down for now (since for the most interesting projects it often times out anyway) and try to design something more useful for implementation later on.
[09:25] <wgrant> Don't you have logs to check for that?
[09:26] <intellectronica> wgrant: we do, and the logs suggest that it's barely being used, but there is /some/ usage, and i'd like to get opinions on this
[09:26] <mtaylor> intellectronica: works for me
[09:26] <intellectronica> wgrant: not only to know whether it's safe to remove, but also because sooner or later we'd like to do something better on that front
[09:26] <intellectronica> mtaylor: cool, thanks
[09:27] <mtaylor> intellectronica: it is certainly not an actually part of normal workflow
[10:04] <MvG> Hi! I guess this has been proposed before, but are there any plans to aquire the domain lp.net for launchpad? I'm mainly thinking of java package names and maven group ids. Both of these go by reversed domain names, and net.lp.project would be so much shorter than net.launchpad.project, plus it would more likely avoid confusion with any packages related to the workings of launchpad itself, if there are any such.
[10:06] <persia> MvG: Isn't that namespace supposed to be based on the information provider, rather than the hosting group?  Is there a lot of net.sourceforge.* stuff out there?
[10:07] <MvG> persia: No, they all use net.sf.* :-)
[10:07] <persia> MvG: Ah.  Well then, that would be "yes" to the question I intended to ask :)
[10:09] <MvG> persia: For community projects the main project home page is usually a good thing to bas ethe package name upon. And if you should choose lp, then using that would imo make sense. Developer domain names for individuals might be much longer, and carry less useful information.
[12:16] <reech> Hello. I have a launchpad account, but have changed my email. How do I edit my profile?
[12:16] <wgrant> reech: https://launchpad.net/~wgrant/+editemails
[12:16] <wgrant> Sorry, https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails
[12:20] <reech> erm thanks. seemed to work, but following the "confirm" link in the email received, then pressing the "confirm" button gives "Application error. Unauthenticated user POSTing to a page that requires authentication"
[12:21] <wgrant> reech: That would be a Launchpad bug. Let's see if it has been filed...
[12:22] <wgrant> reech: Are you still logged in? Everybody was logged out recently.
[12:24] <reech> oh, ok, the email didn't say to log in first. (I received the email on a different computer, so wasn't logged in). Thank you for your help.
[12:26] <reech> PS. I came here from the "help improve launchpad" link. Can I sugges that it might be an idea to make the profile page somewhere that is not entirely hidden?! Normally clicking on my username (top right) would take me to a profile page, but it didn't, it took me to a bug search. perhaps that's a bug? (It now does take me to my profile page). Anyway, I mean this comment constructively. hth. rich
[12:36] <Ursinha> reech, if you're in launchpad bugs and click on your username, you're taken to the bugs related to you
[12:37] <Ursinha> reech, but i agree with you, i think it should take you to your profile
[12:37] <Ursinha> reech, i think i'll figure out soon why it behaves like that :)
[12:39] <reech> ok, thanks for taking comments on board. Over & out.
[13:33] <ephracis> hi, I just recently decided to move my project from sourceforge to launchpad (thanks to the great update). so I created the project and did a svn import. now the import is awaiting review and I was just wondering what is the expected/normal/average time it takes? thanks!
[14:22] <spiv> ephracis: mwhudson is the guy to ask.  Probably unlikely to happen over the weekend, but probably not long after that is my guess.
[14:40] <ephracis> spiv: oh, great.. launchpad seems great! I just want to get the code over there and start fiffling.. :)
[14:41] <ephracis> and, I wanna learn bazaar, too.
[14:43] <lifeless> ephracis: 'great update' ?
[14:43] <lifeless> ephracis: do you mean lp 2.0?or id  sf do something...
[14:43] <ephracis> lifeless: yeah, the new update.. I read it on a blog and took the "tour" on launchpad and I just wanted to try it..
[14:44] <ephracis> lifeless: but sf is so slow, I was hoping that lp would speed things up a bit.. plus I really like the website, and the ppa idea.
[14:45] <lifeless> cool
[14:45] <ephracis> yeah.. so now all I want is for that svn import to get reviewed.
[16:15] <ignas> hi
[16:15] <ignas> I am trying to use ppa package copying feature
[16:16] <ignas> (actually used it in 2008-05-12)
[16:16] <ignas> and today have noticed that source package available on hardy
[16:16] <ignas> was properly copied from gutsy
[16:16] <ignas> but the binary is still not available
[16:16] <ignas> i have tried copying the package from gutsy to hardy again
[16:17] <ignas> and got: "The following source cannot be copied: python-schooltool.buildconfig 0.2.6-1 in gutsy (same version has unpublished binaries in the destination archive for Hardy, please wait for them to be published before copying)"
[16:17] <ignas> is there a way to prod it to publish the binary
[16:17] <ignas> because it seems that waiting is not very effective
[16:17] <Hobbsee> which ppa?
[16:18] <ignas> https://launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/
[16:19] <Hobbsee> ignas: are you sure you're looking at the right thing?  LP is showing that as published.
[16:20] <ignas> yeah
[16:20] <ignas> http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages
[16:20] <ignas> look in here
[16:20] <ignas> or try copying schooltool.buildconfig from gutsy to hardy again, or try installing it
[16:21] <Hobbsee> ignas: you'll need to wait for cprov, i'm afraid.
[16:22] <Hobbsee> the source is certainly showing up correctly, and the debs are on LP
[16:22]  * Hobbsee assumes a launchpad bug, or something.
[16:22] <ignas> yay, lucky me
[16:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[16:22] <Hobbsee> good luck!
[16:23]  * ignas should get a bug shaped rubber stamp
[16:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[16:25] <Hobbsee> with lots of ink?
[16:27] <jjesse> quick question:  what version of bzr do i need for dealing w/ launchpad branches?  that is will i have problems w/ my branches that are hosted by lp if bzr is older
[16:29] <ignas> Hobbsee: well, this week I had encounters with bugs in launchpad, zope3, python2.4 and bzr ;) so yes, lots of ink ;)
[16:32] <kiko> morning
[16:34] <\sh> kiko: moins :)
[16:34] <emgent> moin moin
[16:35] <kiko> \sh!
[16:35] <kiko> \sh, how are you doing? have been wanting to chat with you for the past week!
[16:35] <andrea-bs> hey kiko: jak-o can't upload his GPG because of bug 251869, can you help him, please?
[16:36] <\sh> kiko: well, I'm always on (well not always :)) did you receive my query ? :)
[16:38] <\sh> kiko: but in general, I'm doing fine...and reading  some interesting API docs...and I'm ready to branch ,-) when it's pushed to LP :)
[16:41] <kiko> \sh, andrea-bs: yeah, I can sort it out.
[16:42] <bdmurray> launchpad is still having issues watching upstream openoffice.org bugs
[16:42] <bdmurray> I thought gmb and I talked about it a while ago
[16:43] <kiko> bdmurray, ah, I didn' t know that. what's up?
[16:43] <gmb> bdmurray: We did.
[16:43] <bdmurray> Its saying it can't connect
[16:43] <bdmurray> So status and importance are unknown
[16:43] <gmb> Turns out that Oo.org have disabled their XML export functionality
[16:43] <gmb> So we can't grab statuses from upstream
[16:44] <gmb> (Well, IIRC that's the problem; I haven't looked just now. Hang on...)
[16:45] <kiko> gmb, did they not just upgrade?
[16:45] <gmb> kiko: from qa.openoffice.org/xml.cgi: "
[16:45] <gmb> # If you were attempting to use the 'Format as XML' function or access xml.cgi, this functionality has been temporarily disabled."
[16:45] <gmb> (Just looked now)
[16:45]  * \sh needs to rush home now ... but will be back in around 1 1/2 hours...kiko talk to you then :)
[16:46] <gmb> This was something I meant to deal with before 2.0 got released, but it kind of got swept to one side by 2.0 goals.
[16:46] <gmb> kiko: I'm not sure there's much that we can do about this besides talk to the oo.org Bugzilla maintainers
[16:46] <kiko> \sh, ah, cool
[16:46] <seb128> hi
[16:46] <seb128> is OOPS-944EB89 an known issue?
[16:46] <kiko> gmb, are you sure they did not just upgrade?
[16:47] <seb128> launchpad is apparently not able to reply to the query I need to triage the desktop bugs ;-)
[16:47] <gmb> kiko: I'm sure that I'm seeing that message in my browser window now. What do you mean by "just upgrade"? Do you mean "didn't they upgrade recently?"?
[16:48] <gmb> kiko: Though there's a message on the page about downtime tomorrow morning.
[16:48] <kiko> oh, sorry
[16:48] <gmb> maybe that is going to be the upgrade
[16:48] <kiko> I missed that message you sent :)
[16:48] <kiko> yes, we should contact the OOO bugzilla maintainers then
[16:48] <kiko> hmmm wonder why it's been disabled
[16:48] <gmb> Okay. I'll send them an email today.
[16:50] <seb128> kiko: hey ;-)
[16:51] <kiko> seb128, yes, known. shouldn't happen too often, though -- about 2 a day for the whole site is what reports said yesterday
[16:51] <seb128> kiko: well, everytime on this query
[16:51]  * seb128 tries again
[16:52] <seb128> I just want to list desktop-bugs which have not been sent upstream yet
[16:52] <kiko> seb128, ah! is this a specific query?
[16:53] <seb128> https://edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+bugs?advanced=1, select new, confirmed, triaged, need to be forwarded upstream and not known to affect upstream and search
[16:53] <kiko> jak-o, ping
[16:53] <kiko> seb128, okay, can you file a bug? I'll get it fixed
[16:53] <seb128> kiko: ok, just an oops reference en the steps?
[16:53] <jak-o> kiko: pong
[16:54] <kiko> seb128, exactly. thanks very much!
[16:54] <kiko> jak-o, you have 3 accounts that need merging then?
[16:54] <kiko> oh, sorry.
[16:54] <kiko> jak-o, I thought you were the person reporting that bug!
[16:54] <kiko> jak-o, which accounts would you like merged?
[16:54] <jak-o> kiko: no :)
[16:55] <andrea-bs> kiko: sorry, I gave you the wrong report: bug #251400
[16:56] <kiko> ah
[16:56] <kiko> starts making sense now
[16:56] <andrea-bs> sorry, I've copied the wrong number for the IRC log
[16:56] <kiko> jak-o, do you have two accounts that need merging?
[16:57] <seb128> kiko: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/254005
[16:57] <kiko> thanks seb128
[16:57] <jak-o> kiko: no
[16:57] <seb128> kiko: thank *you* for looking at the issue ;-)
[16:58] <kiko> jak-o, then that can't be the same bug
[16:58] <kiko> jak-o, ah, I think it is the same bug, and I think you do have two accounts, just that you haven't found them :)
[16:58] <kiko> jak-o, can you search in /people/ for the email addresses present in your gpg key?
[16:59] <kiko> jak-o, you should be able to find one or more accounts
[16:59] <kiko> jak-o, then ask me to merge them
[16:59] <kiko> jak-o, you'll then be able to confirm
[17:00] <jak-o> kiko: yes, I found https://launchpad.net/~morettojac and https://launchpad.net/~jak-o
[17:01] <kiko> jak-o, ah, cool. let me merge them.
[17:01] <jak-o> can you merge morettojac in jak-o ?
[17:01] <kiko> yep
[17:01] <jak-o> thanks
[17:02] <kiko> jak-o, done
[17:02] <jak-o> kiko: thanks!
[17:03] <jak-o> kiko: the key was successfully validated.
[17:04] <bdmurray> that little logo in a firefox tab is called a favicon right?
[17:04] <jak-o> bdmurray: yes, it is
[17:04] <bdmurray> Okay, then the favicon is different for the html interface compared to the txt interface for a bug report
[17:06] <kiko> jak-o, rock on
[17:06] <kiko> bdmurray, the txt interface can't have a favicon. :)
[17:07] <bdmurray> well whatever it is the logo looks different
[17:07] <andrea-bs> bdmurray: I've already filed a bug for this
[17:07] <andrea-bs> bdmurray: the problem is that launchpad.net/favicon.ico is different by the favicon specified in the html page
[17:08] <bdmurray> andrea-bs: okay, thanks
[17:10] <kiko> andrea-bs, what's the bug number? that's pretty interesting
[17:11] <andrea-bs> kiko: let me find it
[17:14] <andrea-bs> kiko: mh... I can't find it
[17:14] <andrea-bs> kiko: but I was sure to have reported it :|
[17:17] <ignas> Hobbsee: where should I report this problem on launchpad? answers? bugs? I'd like it solved sooner rather than later... and i am not sure i will be here when cprov will appear ...
[17:17] <kiko> ignas, what's the problem?
[17:18] <ignas> in schooltool ppa package python-schooltool.buildconfig was copied from gutsy to hardy
[17:18] <ignas> it is marked as published in the UI
[17:18] <ignas> but i can't see it in: http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages
[17:20] <ignas> if i am trying to copy python-schooltool.buildconfig 0.2.6 from gutsy to hardy once more, i am getting an error that is saying that the binary is already on hardy, but was not published yet, and that I should wait ...
[17:20] <bdmurray> kiko: why are 959 projects related to me?
[17:25] <ignas> kiko: so i need someone to prod that package on hardy to make it "publish" itself completely, because at the moment it's halfway there for like 3 months
[17:26] <kiko> bdmurray, very famous :-)
[17:26] <kiko> siretart, ping?
[17:34] <bdmurray> kiko: it just seems like an awful lot compared to other
[18:11] <korpios> I noticed that the Launchpad vcs-import for jQuery seems to be failing; is there anything I can do to report/fix/etc?
[18:21] <bdmurray> Is there something wrong with launchpad list moderation?  I've approved a couple of messages that haven't gone through.
[19:24] <kiko> korpios, can you check the failure log and see why it's failing?
[19:25] <korpios> pysvn._pysvn_2_4.ClientError: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/trunk/plugins/ext/docs/output'
[19:25] <korpios> PROPFIND of '/svn/trunk/plugins/ext/docs/output': 502 Bad Gateway (http://jqueryjs.googlecode.com)
[19:26] <kiko> korpios, I think it's a timeout -- do we not timeout right before that?
[19:26] <korpios> kiko: I see a ton of warnings, but nothing about a timeout
[19:26] <korpios> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16436047/jquery-trunk-log.txt
[19:26] <kiko> hmm
[19:27] <kiko> \sh, so, how's life on leonov?
[19:27] <kiko> korpios, I think 502 means that apache timed out when serving a request.
[19:27] <kiko> korpios, which is unfortunate and means we're blocked on a change in the design of our SVN importer to cope with this
[19:28] <korpios> hmm, is this possibly specific to this project, or to google code hosted subversion repos in general?
[19:29] <kiko> google code in general has a tendency to drop connections, but this project is particularly complicated because it has a very long history of large revisions
[19:31] <korpios> mmm, ah well.
[19:33] <kiko> korpios, you can set up a one-time import easily, though
[19:33] <kiko> korpios, do you run jquery yourself?
[19:35] <korpios> as in use it, yeah, both for personal and work projects ... it's just *so* much saner using bzr to try out stuff and still track upstream (been doing that with django with excellent results)
[19:35] <kiko> korpios, I need to get somebody who's interested in svnlib and python to do some contracting on cscvs I think
[19:36] <kiko> the bugs are reported and the code is out there, but it's hard to find people interested in helping out
[19:36] <korpios> I'm certainly willing to help *test* ^_^  I'm still too new to the bzr codebase to do much else yet
[19:37] <kiko> heh
[19:37] <kiko> yeah, it's hard to find someone with the right skills :)
[19:55] <kiko> beuno, ping?
[19:56] <beuno> kiko, pong
[19:56] <kiko> beuno, can I entice you to change the font on help.launchpad.net? :)
[19:56] <kiko> it's way too small and it's also serif
[19:58] <beuno> kiko, yeap, sure.  I'm finishing off so Loggerhead changes, and I'll change and push.  Then you'll have to bribe an admin to sync
[19:58] <kiko> beuno, thanks -- if you can demo it to me beforehand you get bonus points :)
[20:00]  * beuno checks his current score
[20:00] <beuno> kiko, alright, I'll attach a screenshot, if you open a bug for it   :)
[20:01] <kiko> FINE
[20:02] <beuno> oh no, capslock
[20:03] <kiko> my favorite mode
[20:05] <kiko> beuno, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-documentation/+bug/254047 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-documentation/+bug/253274 for bonus points :)
[20:06] <beuno> kiko, what timezone are you in now?
[20:06] <kiko> UTC-7
[20:06] <kiko> UTC-4 next week
[20:07] <kiko> and UTC-3 the week after!
[20:08] <beuno> ok, progressive timezone changes are better
[20:08] <beuno> I'll get to that bug "today" then
[20:08] <beuno> just need for zpt templates to start doing what *I* want
[20:10] <kiko> beuno, is the loggerhead stuff for today? only reason I wanna update the help wiki is that I still have the attention of the LOSAs right now
[20:10] <kiko> and we're mailing out API announcements shortly..
[20:10] <beuno> kiko, nobody will be upset if it isn't finished today, no.  I'll move on to help.lp.net then
[20:11] <kiko> beuno, thanks. owe you two now!
[20:12] <beuno> kiko, :)
[20:32] <beuno> kiko, check out the attachment on bug #254047
[20:35] <beuno> I chose HTML instead of a screenshot because I suspect you don't have 'Verdana' installed, which *is* serif and is what's default now. I just added a backup sans-serif
[20:37] <kiko> sure
[20:37] <kiko> I have Bitstream foo though
[20:37] <beuno> does it look OK now?
[20:37] <kiko> beuno, I wonder if the font could be one point larger. what do you think?
[20:37] <kiko> it looks MUCH better
[20:38] <kiko> but the font looks small
[20:38] <kiko> a bit small I mean
[20:38] <beuno> kiko, can I get a screenshot of what you're seeing?
[20:39] <beuno> I'm not sure I'd say that it's still "a bit small"
[20:39] <kiko> yeah, the font is smaller than launchpad's bug comment font
[20:39] <kiko> no?
[20:39] <beuno> oh no, not at all
[20:40] <kiko> beuno, okay, will produce screenshots.
[20:40] <beuno> kiko, I will too
[20:42] <kiko> beuno, async.com.br/~kiko/Screenshot-1.png
[20:42] <kiko> beuno, async.com.br/~kiko/Screenshot-2.png
[20:42] <beuno> kiko, http://beuno.com.ar/random/Screenshot-1.png
[20:42] <kiko> beuno, significantly smaller for the font I'm getting
[20:43] <beuno> kiko, hrm, yeah, quite smaller
[20:43] <beuno> the font I'm getting is probably bigger then you're looking for then
[20:44] <kiko> beuno, it actually looks perfect on your screenshot :-/
[20:44] <gord> hello, i seem to have broken launchpad when trying to mirror an svn branch - not quite sure what to do about it https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gordallott/+junk/pitivi-svn
[20:44] <kiko> that's exactly the size I want!
[20:45] <beuno> hm, odd, we're both on FF3 in hardy
[20:45] <kiko> gord, well, the push failed.. oddly
[20:46] <gord> i bzr branch'ed that svn branch (with bzr-svn) and then pushed that to launchpad a few days ago with no problems, just trying to get a nicer setup (a mirror and my own branch off that)
[20:47] <beuno> kiko, I expect you already did control + f5 to reload the old CSS file?
[20:47] <beuno> I just tried it on FF2, FF3 and Safari con ubuntu/mac/win
[20:48] <kiko> beuno, uhh, I don't have an old CSS file. :)
[20:48] <jelmer> gord, launchpad doesn't run bzr-svn
[20:48] <beuno> and I can't get it to look like you see it
[20:48] <kiko> beuno, it's a font issue, not a browser issue
[20:48] <kiko> beuno, the font you're using probably renders larger, naturally
[20:48] <jelmer> gord, you have to tell it to do an import via another ui
[20:48] <jelmer> gord, but you probably want to use the mirror on http://bzr-playground.gnome.org/pitivi/trunk/
[20:49] <beuno> kiko, I'm using default, and I triple-checked on 1 freshly installed Ubuntu.  Anyway, I'll dig deeper into this
[20:49] <beuno> if you see LP fine, we should be able to get the same thing on help.lp
[20:49] <kiko> cool
[20:49] <kiko> yeah, I do see LP fine
[20:49] <gord> yeah that'll help jelmer, thank you :)
[20:51] <kiko> siretart, ping?
[20:56] <kirkland> hello, i have a couple of questions about vcsimports
[20:57] <kirkland> i have a project that I want to permanently move from SF to Launchpad
[20:57] <kirkland> actually, strike the SF part....
[20:57] <kirkland> I have a tarball of a CVSROOT that I want to import into Launchpad and use bzr permanently
[21:02] <beuno> kiko, http://beuno.com.ar/random/lphelp/
[21:11] <kiko> kirkland, can you check out answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faqs
[21:11] <kiko> kirkland, there's a FAQ there to handle your question I believe
[21:11] <kirkland> kiko: cool, will do... right now, I'm playing with cvsps-import
[21:11] <kiko> beuno, much better!
[21:11] <kirkland> kiko: i've got it to run to completion
[21:11] <kiko> kirkland, no small feat :)
[21:11] <beuno> kiko, but still a bit small?
[21:12] <kirkland> kiko: but i'm trying to figure out now, 'what's next'
[21:12] <kirkland> kiko: i have a bzr and a staging dir
[21:12] <kiko> beuno, nope! it's all good.
[21:13] <kiko> beuno, in fact it looks fantastic
[21:14] <kiko> wow
[21:14] <kiko> the text of the "launchpadhelp" header is a tad big in fact
[21:15] <beuno> kiko, yeah, the proportions are wrong now in some places, I'll fix that, commit, push, and go for the extra points
[21:15] <kiko> beuno, you rock! what was the issue?
[21:16] <beuno> kiko, em's not scaling as I'd expected. pt's are the next best thing.
[21:16] <kirkland> kiko: can I get a pointer on what to *do* with the output directory of cvsps-import ?
[21:16] <kiko> kirkland, I think the output is a bzr branch, isn't it?
[21:16] <kiko> if so, you can just push it to launchpad, and also branch off of it locally
[21:17] <kirkland> kiko: well, it looks like everything is locked up in meta data
[21:17] <kirkland> kiko: ie, i don't see the files/dirs of the source of the project itself
[21:17] <kiko> kirkland, sure, but you can check that branch out and get a working tree (I think at least)
[21:17] <kiko> kirkland, if you push up to launchpad (i.e. bzr push lp:~kirkland/+junk/import-test)
[21:18] <kiko> you'll be able to browse it through the web and branch it
[21:18] <kirkland> kiko: lemme try that
[21:20] <kirkland> kiko: this is what the output dir looks like: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/33104/
[21:20] <jam> kirkland: bzr/branches/HEAD is a Bazaar "Branch" of your converted project
[21:20] <jam> you can do
[21:20] <jam> bzr checkout --lightweight bzr/branches/HEAD
[21:20] <jam> if you like
[21:21] <jam> I would suggest familiarizing yourself with Bazaar terminology
[21:21] <jam> to understand how you can have a branch without a working tree
[21:21] <jam> perhaps the Tutorial?
[21:21] <jam> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[21:21] <kirkland> jam: i'm okay with a fair amount of bzr
[21:21] <jam> The user guide is good, but may be a bit more involved: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html
[21:22] <kirkland> jam: once stuff is in bzr :-)
[21:22] <jam> kirkland: your projects history has been converted
[21:22] <kirkland> jam: i'm trying to get it to a point where I recognize it :-)
[21:22] <kirkland> jam: good, that was my intent!
[21:22] <jam> just into a repository and a group of branches (though in your case you only seem to have HEAD)
[21:22] <kirkland> jam: and now, I want to move it from my volatile laptop to the iron mountain that is launchpad
[21:23] <jam> kirkland: cd bzr/branches/HEAD
[21:23] <jam> bzr push lp:~kirkland/+junk/project
[21:23] <jam> (unless you have somewhere better)
[21:23] <kirkland> jam: cool, thanks
[21:23] <kirkland> kiko: you too... thanks.
[21:23] <kiko> no worries!
[21:24] <kirkland> jam: that little gem "cd bzr/branches/HEAD; bzr push lp:"  might do well in cvsps_import/README.rst
[21:25] <kirkland> jam: as that's what I was following
[21:25] <kiko> jam, and also explain the bzr co tip :)
[21:25] <kirkland> jam, kiko: yeah, that was good to verify my work
[21:26] <jam> kiko, kirkland: You guys actually want me to work on CVS right now? meh... :)
[21:26] <kiko> jam, actually no!
[21:26] <kirkland> kiko, jam: i'll hack it and send a branch your way :-)
[21:27] <jam> kirkland: sounds good
[21:27] <jam> I'm happy to merge it
[21:27] <kirkland> jam: gimme a few minutes
[21:31] <beuno> kiko, pushed fixes for bugs #253274 and #254047
[21:39] <kirkland> kiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~kirkland/bzr-cvsps-import/documentation
[21:40] <kiko> kirkland, good job!
[21:40] <kiko> beuno, woo, you rock.
[21:40] <kirkland> kiko: no prob, thanks for the help
[21:42] <beuno> kiko, :)
[21:42]  * beuno goes back to loggerhead
[21:45] <hagna> any plans to support git?
[21:46] <kiko> hagna, plans, yes
[21:46] <hagna> kiko: ETAs?
[21:57] <Peng_> There are plans to support alternate VCSes? How serious are they? Just "that'd be nice to have someday..."?
[22:14] <kiko> hagna, well, I'll know more at the end of august
[22:15] <hagna> kiko: ok cool
[22:49] <siretart> kiko: pong?
[23:26] <kiko> siretart!!
[23:26] <kiko> siretart, have some time to go over some other lists? :)