[05:43] <bdmurray> 20 more bugs w/o a package need some loving to get below 3000
[05:43] <greg-g> ooo ooooo!
[05:44]  * greg-g gets on it
[05:44] <bdmurray> okay let's do it
[05:45] <bdmurray> -1
[05:46] <greg-g> heh, fine, beat me to my first one ;)
[05:46] <bdmurray> I'm well prepared ;)
[05:46] <bdmurray> I've been working on it for quite a while now
[05:47] <greg-g> it is a good pet project
[05:48] <bdmurray> -1
[05:48] <greg-g> -1
[05:49] <bdmurray> -1
[05:52] <greg-g> -1
[05:52] <bdmurray> -1
[05:54] <Hobbsee> -250
[05:55]  * RAOF skeptates
[05:55] <Hobbsee> awww
[05:56] <RAOF> Hobbsee: If you wanted to make my life a lot better, you could make emacs-snapshot-gtk respect gnome's font hinting settings.  Then I'd believe your -250 count!
[05:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:56] <greg-g> -1
[05:56] <RAOF> I presume it uses fontconfig, or whatever the non-GNOME voodoo is.  I could always just work out how to futz with that.
[05:58] <greg-g> -1
[05:59] <bdmurray> -1
[06:01] <bdmurray> -1
[06:02] <greg-g> half way there
[06:09] <bdmurray> gah, new ones must be coming in quickly
[06:09] <greg-g> -1
[06:10] <Hobbsee> oh, was i supposed to stop filing them?  whoops.
[06:10] <bdmurray> I'm fairly certain you can find the right package no?
[06:11] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Once you're bored filing bugs against Ubuntu, I've got some Google libs you could package for me :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i'm sure i'm not that bored :P
[06:12] <RAOF> Now it's my turn to Awww.
[06:14] <bdmurray> big 216688
[06:14] <bdmurray> bug 216688
[06:15]  * Hobbsee blinks
[06:15] <bdmurray> screenshot included fwiw
[06:15] <greg-g> -1
[06:15] <RAOF> That sounds like a very sensible recommendation :)
[06:15] <greg-g> heh
[06:15] <greg-g> awesome
[06:15] <Hobbsee> strange :)
[06:16] <RAOF> Actually, he's out by a couple of orders of magnitude.
[06:16] <RAOF> That's a 1.5GiB partition it's asking for.
[06:16] <bdmurray> I thought the math was a bit off but wasn't positive
[06:17] <RAOF> So the actual bug there is that it's reporting in bytes, rather than something sensible like 1.5GiB?
[06:17] <pwnguin> heh
[06:17] <pwnguin> dont start that again
[06:18] <RAOF> pwnguin: 1.5GB would also be acceptable, I suppose.
[06:18] <RAOF> pwnguin: Package the Google .NET libs for me!
[06:18] <pwnguin> what?
[06:18] <RAOF> You heard!  Go!
[06:18] <pwnguin> how did i earn that punishment?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> you spoke.
[06:18] <RAOF> By speaking in #ubuntu-bugs ;)
[06:18] <RAOF> Hobbsee has already declined the honour.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i'll have the honour of hitting it with the REJECT stick instead, if you like?  :)
[06:19] <pwnguin> why .Net?
[06:20] <pwnguin> i mean, i know a few guys who work with mono in town
[06:20] <RAOF> Because there's no way that gnome-do-plugins, as it's currently shipped upstream, will enter the archives.
[06:20] <pwnguin> i should at least write down their complaints
[06:20] <greg-g> -1
[06:20] <RAOF> Of course, this would be easier if Google shipped a _build system_ with their source.
[06:21] <bdmurray> down to 3008
[06:21] <pwnguin> i recall something about monodevelop being out of date, or something
[06:21] <pwnguin> is LP broke?
[06:21] <RAOF> pwnguin: Nope, not here.
[06:22] <pwnguin> i keep gettign timeout error
[06:22] <lifeless> RAOF: but google are god
[06:22] <lifeless> RAOF: also, wow tomorrow ?
[06:23] <RAOF> lifeless: Urh, probably not.
[06:23] <lifeless> k
[06:23] <RAOF> Stuff to do, and that'd require me to install a 3d-capable video driver.
[06:23] <pwnguin> so how many bugs are filed against yelp?
[06:23] <RAOF> Or, I suppose, see how incomplete nouveau's 3d is again.  It's been a while since I threw WoW at it.
[06:24] <pwnguin> i think i have a dns or routing problem
[06:25] <greg-g> -1
[06:26] <techno_freak> urgh, python-kde4 in the PPA is broken, now i can't install kde4 desktop :(
[06:26] <RAOF> It's saving you from yourself :)
[06:28] <bdmurray> 4 more
[06:28] <pwnguin> anyone know the rate of bugs being assigned to no package?
[06:28] <bdmurray> ~50 per day
[06:29] <pwnguin> so you'd need 10 people doing 5 a day on that alone to keep pace
[06:30] <bdmurray> or better education of reporters
[06:30] <pwnguin> psh
[06:30] <pwnguin> not something i'd pin my hopes on
[06:33] <greg-g> -1
[06:33] <greg-g> 2999!!!!
[06:34] <RAOF> I don't suppose anyone would care at all that kwin's desktop-effects don't work under GNOME.
[06:34] <pwnguin> heh
[06:34] <bdmurray> greg-g: sweet!
[06:34]  * greg-g high-fives bdmurray 
[06:35] <bdmurray> there I updated the graph manually
[06:35] <bdmurray> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/testing_graphs/nopackage.html
[06:37] <greg-g> woot
[06:37] <bdmurray> great! I can sleep tonight ;-)
[06:37]  * bdmurray heads off
[06:38] <greg-g> g'night
[06:42] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah, probably not
[06:43] <RAOF> Hobbsee: It should work, though.  It works in kde...
[06:43] <RAOF> And I do so like the shiny.
[06:44] <pwnguin> i dont quite understand how kde not working in gnome is a bug
[06:45] <RAOF> kwin is just a window manager.  Metacity works in KDE.
[06:45] <RAOF> The difference being that kwin implements useful shiny with XRender, so nouveau runs it nicely...
[06:46] <pwnguin> but compiz is too muhc
[06:46] <pwnguin> i thought xrender was ancient history, like damage
[06:47] <RAOF> No.  XRender is what EXA accelerates.  Also, Damage isn't history, either; it's fairly new.
[06:47] <RAOF> You might be thinking XAA.
[06:47] <pwnguin> well, maybe from x's perspective
[06:47] <pwnguin> i recall damage and render being part of like the first xorg or earlier
[06:48] <RAOF> Well, the first Xorg is hardly ancient, either. :)
[06:53] <greg-g> 2985, btw :)
[06:54] <pwnguin> you'lll get to repeat it tomorrow!
[06:54] <greg-g> yeah yeah
[06:54] <greg-g> but hey, at least it is something, right?
[06:54] <pwnguin> sure
[06:54] <pwnguin> its training data for an awesome algorithm someone needs to write
[06:55] <greg-g> many of the ones I have been doing I have moved them along the triaging process, it isn't all just "they mention f-spot, so assign to f-spot" ;)
[13:47] <bddebian> Boo
[13:51] <RAOF> bddebian: Aww.  You scared Hobbsee away!
[13:51] <bddebian> Heh
[14:13] <mcas> hi
[14:14] <mcas> can someone please look at bug 253932
[14:14] <mcas> there is a patch attached to the bug report
[14:14] <mcas> how should this be handled?
[14:16] <nhandler> How long does it normally take for a message to appear in the bugcontrol mailing list if sent by a non-member?
[14:17] <james_w> hey nhandler
[14:17] <nhandler> Hi james_w
[14:17] <james_w> I'm not sure, I don't think it's ever happened before :-)
[14:18] <nhandler> lol
[14:18] <james_w> I assume bdmurray has the power
[14:18] <nhandler> Yeah, chances are the message has to be approved by a team admin
[14:18] <nhandler> And congrats on applying to be a UCD james_w
[14:18] <james_w> bdmurray: do you moderate the ubuntu-bugcontrol list? If so can you let nhandler's message through please?
[14:18] <james_w> nhandler: thanks
[14:19] <james_w> did you see that I announced your session today?
[14:19] <nhandler> Yes I did. Thank you.
[14:19] <james_w> cool
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> hi, what do we do about bugs reported against a package in a PPA?
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> do we just close it?
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> i'm looking specifically at: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/253948
[14:32] <Hobbsee> chrisccoulson: close it.  for that one, pass it to asac.
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[14:33] <Hobbsee> chrisccoulson: yeah, leave that one.  the NM ppa is a special case.
[14:33] <mcas> if a program segfaults.. should i ask for a strace?
[14:33] <Hobbsee> chrisccoulson: for almost all other ppas that i can think of, close it - it's not an ubuntu bug.
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> ok, no problem!
[14:34] <Hobbsee> (asac will see that anyway)
[14:34] <persia> Even in the special cases, PPA bugs probably don't belong against Ubuntu though.  Do PPAs have products?
[14:34] <Hobbsee> nope
[14:34] <persia> Bother.
[14:35] <Hobbsee> there's no way to file bugs against people.
[14:35] <james_w> we need launchpad to support version tracking
[14:38] <Hew> Hey guys, I installed kubuntu-desktop the other day and now I've got all sorts of funky issues with my gnome interface (I reported bug 253676 but there are others). Is the clash between gnome and KDE a known issue, or should I go and report all these interface problems? What package/s would they be filed under? I can't seem to find any existing reports.
[14:38] <persia> james_w: That's tricky.  I'd settle for just being able to file bugs against people and teams.
[14:39] <persia> Hew: You may want to file them as bugs: most of the time a given application should work fine in the laternate environment (although there are exceptions).  If you do this, be prepared to have the bugs be ignored or marked won't fix as most of them will likely be very low priority for developers.
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> Hew - Have you tried removing compiz-kde? That will remove the kde window decorator, but would probably mean you end up with the gtk window decorator in kde
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> i suppose it could be a compiz bug
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> i don't know how compiz chooses a window decorator
[14:41] <Hew> chriscoulson: compiz-kde is not installed, and I'm not using compiz in either environment
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> are you using kdm or gdm?
[14:41] <Hew> I have issues such as the one I reported where gnome has the KDE decoration all the time, as well as these panel icons flashing orange all the time for no reason..
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm
[14:42] <Hew> chrisccoulson: both. gdm right now
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> i might have a go at this in a virtual machine later and see what the results are like
[14:42] <Hew> I'm on intrepid and figured I'd do some testing with KDE since I've never used it before
[14:42] <Hew> chrisccoulson: yea, I expect it would be reproducible on other systems. That would be great :-)
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> thats strange. the loading of the window manager has changed in the new gnome-session in intrepid, and this is causing problems for people using compiz, where they have to enable compiz on every new session: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/253606
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> Hew: could you have a look at the two gconf keys listed in that bug report and see if any of them are set to kwin?
[14:47] <Hew> windowmanager = metacity, default-session = [gnome-settings-daemon,metacity,gnome-panel,nautilus]
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> very strnage
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> strange even
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> i'll set kubuntu-desktop to install in my virtual environment now and leave it installing whilst i go out this afternoon. I'll try it out later and see if i get the same strange-ness as you
[14:53] <Hew> chrisccoulson: sounds like a plan :-). Let me know how you get on (if I'm still around)
[16:20] <thekorn> sudo apt-get install python-simplejson
[16:20] <thekorn> urgh
[16:21] <bdmurray> thekorn: did you look at the bughelper branch?
[16:24] <thekorn> bdmurray, yes, it's looking good
[16:25] <thekorn> and working as far as I can tell
[16:25] <thekorn> so +1 for the merge :)
[16:26] <bdmurray> thekorn: cool
[16:26] <bdmurray> thekorn: by the way I ran across hug day tools again and was pondering rolling it into ubuntu-qa-tools
[16:27] <thekorn> bdmurray, sounds like a good plan,
[16:28] <thekorn> I did not work on it recently, but I think it is working
[16:28] <thekorn> so I'm fine with having it under the hat of u-qa-tools
[16:36] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I'm stuck with bug 252560
[16:37] <bdmurray> dmesg shows symbol disagreement for b44 but the module matches the kernel
[16:46] <seisen> can somebody mark this as wishlist: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/253855
[17:10] <seisen> can some mark these bugs as wishlist: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/253924 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/254006
[17:18] <ogasawara> bdmurray: will take a look at that bug in a sec - there's 2 more in the queue I've gotta look at
[17:19] <bdmurray> ogasawara: you have a queue?
[17:19] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I do today
[17:28] <LimCore> hi
[17:29] <LimCore> Ubuntu do not have libfltk2-dev, I think it should.  I can easly build fltk2 from source, how to make nice .deb and how to get it into ubuntu's repo
[17:30] <Pici> !newpackage
[17:55] <ogasawara> bdmurray: looking at bug 252560 the initial thing that strikes me as odd is they're running 7.10 but using a hardy 2.6.24 kernel.  need to dig into their logs more.
[18:03] <greg-g> today looks like evince/poppler day for pedro_ and seb
[18:03] <greg-g> or at least, that is what my bugmail says
[18:29] <jibel> hi, bug 67141 affects grep but, if this is a bug, it is rather a policy bug. What would you do with this one ?
[18:34] <greg-g> woah, 2973 new/nopackage bugs. nice.
[18:40] <ogasawara> bdmurray: found another report with the same issue loading b44 - have pinged the kernel guys
[18:40] <bdmurray> ogasawara: cool, I would have just expected them to be using the wrong driver but I guess not
[18:43] <ogasawara> bdmurray:  yah seems odd.  fyi the other bug is 251538.  I'll mark one a dup of the other.
[19:23] <bdmurray> james_w: ping
[19:24] <james_w> hey bdmurray
[19:26] <bdmurray> I was looking for some bzr magic but think I found it
[19:26] <james_w> you want the "bzr magic" command probably
[19:30] <bdmurray> I wonder how I could have done it without using the web codebrowse though
[20:20] <askand> What keeps ubuntu from using the same fix as Suse and Debian to fix the Critical Bug 59695
[20:30] <AlmightyCthulhu> time to go update me a bug :P Whoooo doggie, I smells me some fried chicken, boy!
[20:33] <Fallenou> i like your nickname =)
[21:10] <qense> hello
[21:10] <nhandler> Hi qense
[21:10] <qense> nhandler: you are new in bugcontrol?
[21:10] <nhandler> qense: I have applied, I am still not a member
[21:11] <qense> I think I saw your application
[21:11] <qense> well, at least welcome in the bugsquad. :)
[21:11] <nhandler> Thank you qense. I've been in bugsquad for a while. I just finally got around to applying for bugcontrol
[21:12] <qense> Did you find it easy to find your way around in the bug triaging teams?
[21:13] <nhandler> I sort of picked up bug triaging when I was learning about patching bugs. Other bug triagers (in this channel and elsewhere) were also very helpful with answering any questions I might have had about specific bugs
[21:15] <qense> It's nice to hear that.
[21:33] <AlmightyCthulhu> Me to Carl Brunning at Foxconn: "
[21:33] <AlmightyCthulhu> Testing you say? Well if you have any jobs open in support, I can count to 21 without being arrested for indecent exposure, tell the difference between an OS error and a bad memory stick beep, and not utter the word "Microsoft" any more than I have to."
[22:24] <chrisccoulson> any evolution experts in here?
[22:25] <greg-g> I took a couple classes on the topic in undergrad
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/244631
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> that bug has been on my list of things to look at for a while, only i'm at a sticking point
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> not really sure what extra information to ask for
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> the two people in that bug report have 2 different issues i think
[22:26] <bdmurray> hggdh knows evolution really well I think
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i might subscribe him to the report
[22:31] <greg-g> chrisccoulson: yeah, those sound like two separate issues, I would have the second person open a separate report to keep things clear.  Messy bug reports are harder to deal with.
[22:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll do that i think. i've subscribed hggdh too in case he has something to add
[23:02] <pwnguin> anyone know if the live CD will trigger input hotplug for usb wacom?
[23:03] <pwnguin> a user is reporting a bug against gutsy, and im thinking of recommmending a live cd to test with
[23:04] <bdmurray> pwnguin: they should know in #ubuntu-x for sure
[23:04] <pwnguin> well yea =/
[23:08] <pwnguin> plus, i think someone went on vacation
[23:09] <bdmurray> hmm? bryce got back this week
[23:09] <pwnguin> well, iwouldnt call the confreences a vacation
[23:09] <pwnguin> but timo?
[23:09] <bdmurray> I think I recall seeing an e-mail that the is gone
[23:14] <askand> Can someone please mark bug 186921 as invalid since it is a dublicate
[23:14] <bdmurray> askand: that'll just generate unnecessary bug mail
[23:15] <bdmurray> as every subscriber of bug 61185 will get e-mail saying that 186921 was marked invalid
[23:16] <askand> bdmurray: aha I see
[23:17] <bdmurray> Setting a bug that is a duplicate to Invalid before marking it as a duplicate is fine but afterwards it is unnecessary
[23:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> evolution: OMG, the thing ticked me off before Intrepid broke it
[23:18] <AlmightyCthulhu> :P
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> this bug was related to a syntax error in an init script. it was marked as fix released a little while ago (and i can confirm the original issue is fixed), but the upgrade to the fixed package fails due to the original error in the old init script. the status has since been changed to Incomplete by someone.
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/253910
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> should it go back to fix released for the original issue, or should i confirm the new upgrade failure?
[23:32] <bdmurray> I'd confirm it but I'm not sure how it'd be fixed
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> i don't think it can be fixed tbh, which is why i thought about setting it back to fix released