[00:15] asac, woohoo. nspluginwrapper should be built soon :) === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [00:23] hmm... on first tests it failed [00:24] asac, it still happens that npw popups from time to time, or crashes firefox... [00:25] well... it happened for the second time. first it doesn't show a flash object, then on reload it popups, and then crashes [00:31] reboot... system upgrade done... [01:07] asac, ping... [01:07] Jazzva: yeah. sorry [01:07] ;) [01:08] now i am here for a while [01:08] asac, no problem :) [01:08] good... ;) [01:08] :) [01:08] I tested nspluginwrapper... it seems to behave just like 0.9.something (the previous one), but worse [01:08] I think I'll try with 1.0.0 [01:08] you tried 1.1.0? [01:09] yep [01:09] i think that only works with flash 10 [01:09] did you use that? [01:09] that was the one I was testing now [01:09] I have flash 10... if it's in intrepid [01:09] 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1 [01:09] right [01:09] ok. [01:09] maybe really a development version then [01:10] Jazzva: what regressions do you see? [01:10] (in 1.1.0 - worse?) [01:10] and firefox reports npwrapper.libflashplayer.so in about:plugins [01:10] yes... in 1.1.0 it's worse [01:11] It's not able to present flash at all... at least I didn't manage... [01:11] sounds wierd [01:11] anyway try 1.0 first then [01:12] cool [01:29] Jazzva: did you hear anything about xionox today? [01:29] i wonder if got completely stuck [01:29] can't remember... logs are available at irclogs.ubuntu.com :) [01:31] hmm... he said just one thing yesterday [01:31] [17:57] hi asac, you get the power back ? [01:31] ok [01:31] i got that ;) [01:32] wow... we really are a silent channel. the log is so short [01:32] back to patches, and refreshing them [01:32] well. our activity is not really less than what -desktop has for a bunch of days [01:32] and they have far more users lurking ;) [01:32] asac, will you make it for the meeting on 3rd? [01:32] asac, hehe :) [01:33] well. unless my float plane doesnt start or its a hoax i should make it [01:33] i arrive on 2nd [01:33] ah... right, it's still 31st over there. [01:33] yep [01:34] and it's still day... 15:33? [01:34] lucky you ;) [01:34] the idea is to arrive on 5:33pm on sat 2nd aug in hamburg :( [01:34] its 17:34 [01:35] just 9 hours [01:35] oh... i thought it's more. [01:35] well 12 hours is hawaii ;) [01:35] (where i probably would love to be right now) [01:35] in the middle of nowhere :P [01:36] my current concern is that today dinner is on a hill [01:36] we leave at 1830 [01:36] and i would like to be back at 2030 to do online checkin right when it opens [01:36] to get emergency exit seat [01:37] i think i can forget that idea [01:37] to be back at 2030 where? [01:37] in hotel [01:37] ah.. online checkin :) [01:37] somewhere where i have internet [01:37] and leave at 1830 to have dinner on a hill.. [01:37] i doubt there is wifi on the hill ... we go up with a gondola [01:37] yeah ;) [01:37] unlikely to get back in time [01:37] don't leave the hotel :P [01:38] skip dinner ... hmm sounds geeky [01:38] i need to socialise [01:38] ;) [01:38] thats one of the main reasons i am here [01:38] hmm... emergency exit seat. Great, now I'm scared of planes and their crashes again... [01:38] get people drunk and make them listen to our needs ;) [01:38] that doesn't sound like socialisation... more like promotion :P [01:39] Jazzva: hehe ... no i like the emergency exit seats on boeing 747 ... there is no seat nor a wall in front of you [01:39] so leg-wise its like first-class :) [01:39] i managed to get one on glith ere [01:39] ah... must remember that for september :). (though I'm not able to do online checkin... stupid company) [01:40] Jazzva: where are you going then? [01:40] boston :) [01:40] oh cool [01:40] over heathrow? [01:40] after the exams... vacation :) [01:40] no... i think munich, or zurich... [01:40] which airline? [01:40] lufthansa/jat airways/united airlines... [01:41] doenst lufthansa have online checkin? [01:41] yep. but I'm unable to do it, because of jat airways... that's our national airline... [01:42] and it sucks big time [01:42] Jazzva: too bad. you most likely will be seated in the middle of the middle in the back of the plane :( [01:42] sorry for that [01:42] last time i got a seat by a window ;) [01:42] but well ;) ... boston flight is just 6 hours [01:42] and middle of the middle... no way... anything but that :) [01:43] which can be long enough to suffer [01:43] (especially if you consider I'm 195cm tall :)) [01:43] (painful) [01:43] when i went to thailand it happened to be like that. i arrived at airport. every seat was taken but middle of middle [01:43] and next to me two fat ones ;) [01:43] ouch... [01:43] so mostly in the middle of the seat in the middle of the middle :) [01:44] and that was 9h ;) [01:44] painful... :) [01:44] yeah ... especially since they turned off the light and television and told us to sleep right after dinner [01:44] and i didnt have a clock [01:44] haha [01:45] really? [01:45] so it was an endless trip [01:45] yes really [01:45] they didnt have per-seat TVs [01:45] so no info displays in overnight flights [01:45] and they told you to go to sleep? oh, my... [01:45] not even drinks were served for 4 hours or so [01:45] Jazzva: well they said: good night. turned off the light [01:46] and since we flew against the sund it was like 2 hours dark outside and the whenever you saw someone opening the window you saw that it was fucking daylight [01:46] "sleep well" :) [01:46] airplanes are not nice. when will they invent useful teleportation :)? [01:46] not sure [01:47] i think you need to get rich to get an enjoyable flight [01:47] ...or your own airplane ;) [01:47] i think that is subsumed by rich (even richer :)) [01:47] at least if you want a plane that can do long-distance flights ;) [01:47] :) [01:48] in between you could charter your own plane [01:49] which is probably only 5 times the price of first class [01:49] yeah... now just to make a plan to earn all that money ;) [01:49] but given that first class is 10 times the price of coach class you end up having 50 times [01:51] hmm... get a credit from a bank and expect it will pay-off :) [01:51] yeah. you could start your own "private" flight carrier [01:51] ;) [01:51] o credit [01:52] and when you have enough customers you can probably take your own flight from time to time [01:52] :) [01:53] ok, running a test build of 1.0.0 [02:12] yay... it works on first flash :) [02:13] Jazzva: good crack ;) [02:13] on x86? [02:13] probably works on amd64 as well then [02:13] and on second flash... yay :) [02:13] x86... [02:13] good ... if its based on the mt package, please push it there ;) [02:14] let's see what it does on youtube [02:14] it is... [02:14] Jazzva: any patches you had to drop? [02:14] bah... it's not :)... but I will just branch, and apply the new modifications [02:14] branch? [02:14] we dont have a branch ;) [02:14] we have PPA :-D [02:14] in patch 004_ the part that modifies npw-viewer.c was implemented upstream [02:15] right... ppa :) [02:15] ok [02:15] yeah. put it there [02:15] hmm... I have to check how to use PPA :) [02:15] I have never used it before... [02:15] really? [02:15] yes [02:15] i think its time then ;) [02:15] you will figure [02:15] yep :) [02:15] if oyu use a sane verison you cant do much harm ;) [02:15] please base it on the current ppa package (but if you hvae x86 support it should work) [02:16] 1.0.0-0ubuntu1~mt1? [02:16] yay... youtube works :) [02:16] yah [02:16] thats fine version wise [02:16] so just --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree? [02:16] then it works? [02:16] good [02:16] no... just dpkg -i deb_file [02:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89GB7z_Ogt0&feature=rec-fresh this song is great :). I'll test it a bit more before pushing ;) [02:17] err ... if you dont reinstlal flashpluginnonfree it doesnt recreate the wrapper iirc [02:17] hmm... really? [02:17] so you might still be using the old [02:17] yeah [02:17] but, it failed when I was using 1.1.0 [02:17] hmm... ok, I'll test with 1.1.0 again [02:17] it definitly doesnt recreate the wrapper [02:18] if you didnt that probably was the problem [02:18] first test 1.0.0 [02:18] if that works push it [02:18] then go for 1.1.0 ;) [02:18] ok [02:18] or do whatever you prefer :=) [02:19] so, dpkg -i nspluginwrapper, --reinstall flashplugin? [02:19] i have have to be down to yes [02:19] :) [02:19] Jazzva: well. you can look in flashplugin postinst script [02:19] and see what it calls to create the wrapper [02:19] you can run that manually too [02:19] right... [02:20] but --reinstlal should work [02:20] hmm... is it me, or is this flash snappier than before? [02:20] and less consuming, cpu-wise [02:22] Flash 10 beta 2? I've heard it described many ways. "snappier" and "less consuming, cpu-wise" are not included. [02:23] ok ... got to run to mountain dinner ... press thumbs that i get emergency seat when coming back ;) [02:23] good night! [02:23] asac, have fun [02:23] u2 [02:23] crimsun, it's running faster in full-screen here... [02:23] its about nspluginwrapper 1.0.0 :) [02:23] * asac out [02:23] ah :) [03:26] nspluginwrapper 1.1.0 is a development version. Not really usable for now [03:46] Both amd64 and i386 builds of nspluginwrapper 1.0.0 succeeded and are available in MT's PPA :) [03:46] off to sleep, see you later [06:50] Jazzva: rock! === `6og is now known as Kamping_Kaiser [07:03] too bad. no emergency exit [07:03] * asac going down to bar again [09:21] hi [09:21] asac, ping ? [10:31] XioNoX: uh? [10:32] please dont consider myself conscience right now :/ [10:32] going to fall to bed pretty soon [10:32] @time vancouver [10:32] asac: Current time in America/Vancouver: August 01 2008, 02:32:27 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Community in 1 day [10:32] asac, okay, have you seen the screenshot ? [10:33] http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture1vf1.png [10:33] * asac looking [10:33] looks good [10:35] next steep ? [10:35] hmm [10:35] considering that i've spend the full afternoon yesterday to make the install button working without succes.. [10:35] idem fot the big button [10:36] what did you do to make the button working [10:36] ? [10:36] s/did you/did you try/ [10:37] buttInstall.setAttribute("oncommand", "window._content.document.location.href='?XPILocation';"); [10:37] this is the last tryout [10:38] did you look th [10:38] the ?XPILocation looks like : apt:....... [10:38] at the plugin finder service how it triggers installs? [10:38] i think you shouldnt use href="..." [10:39] instead implmenet a helper function like "installPlugin (URL)" [10:39] which then detects the install methods [10:39] if its apt:... run it using apturl [10:39] otherwise use the normal .xpi mechanism [10:40] ok [10:40] but the installPlugin (URL) [10:41] should detect for exemple if the user have sudo acces ? [10:41] for now leave that out [10:41] ok [10:41] we have to implement a pluggable thing after thta [10:41] so i write a function "installPlugin(URL) [10:42] for instance we should hide the results in case plugins cannot installed with sudo due to privileges [10:42] which detect the kind of file ? [10:42] but ill think about it during flight [10:42] yep [10:42] you inspect the URL [10:42] ok [10:42] i'll try to find how i can do that [10:42] if its apt: ... run the current apt method ... otherwise the current XPIInstall [10:42] i am sure youll figure [10:43] XPIInstall come only from https ? [10:43] and how I use the apt method ? [10:44] we already have code for that in ubufox [10:44] in my mind, we have just to call the url and firefox will automatically use the apt or normal method [10:44] ok [10:44] in the end thats probably what we want to do [10:44] but for now go the manual way [10:45] we have to think about what to do in what way [10:45] https:// might not always mean .xpi [10:46] ok [10:46] i'll try to finish this function before you wake up :D [10:47] thanks ;) [10:47] ill be travelling tomorrow though [10:47] but i probably will be in for an hour or so before [10:49] you go back to the airport through the 8hours road ? [10:49] nope ... i booked a float plane :) [10:50] see http://www.westcoastair.com/ [10:50] cool [10:50] ;) [10:50] well ... if that cannot start because of wheather then i am lost :/ [10:50] anyway ... off! [10:50] cu tomorrow [10:50] err ... today [10:50] cu [10:52] have a good flight asac [10:52] morning all :) [10:56] morning [12:16] so, on hardy, i'm getting constant crashes with ff3, flash9, libflashsupport, and pulseaudio... [12:16] i was hoping to fix that with an upgrade to flash 10, but that seems not to really work for me; i'm getting some weird graphic glitches... [12:17] namely, white pixels strewn seemingly ramdomly (and with random density) throughout the videos... [12:17] though, actually, the flash 10 demos seem to work perfectly for me, youtube videos don't at all. [12:17] anyone seen this, by any chance? [12:50] a link to a bug report someone filed about this very bug - http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-470 [12:50] i'm guessing "Linux - Other" is a pretty good indication that they're running ubuntu as well. [12:54] godlygeek, or some other distro ;). Anyway, removing libflashsupport with Flash 9 solved crashes for me. True, Flash wouldn't play sound if some other program was using sound device (for example, Banshee) [12:54] s/with Flash 9/and using Flash9/ [12:55] Jazzva, there's no need to add those "Open tree for xxxx development" in debian/changelog, having those in bzr logs is enough [12:56] fta, ok. I thought we put them, and at the end remove that with commit "release bla to ubuntu/release" [12:57] fta, I'll stop adding them :) [12:58] i usually don't even have such a commit in the branch, asac sometimes adds one.. imho, it's not needed, we already have a commit clearly identifying each RELEASE [12:58] hm. still, i wish flash 10 would work... any way that it could be our bug? or is it most certainly a bug in their blob? [12:58] Jazzva, so it's obvious the next one is the open for dev one [12:59] fta, and we have "RELEASE for real" in case something needs to be changed :) [12:59] godlygeek, not sure. Flash 10 works for me on intrepid, with nspluginwrapper. [13:00] Jazzva, yep (even if i prefer to uncommit the RELEASE for last minute changes, while i know asac hates that) [13:00] is intrepid using the same FF3 version as hardy at present? [13:01] uncommit == overwrite current commit? [13:01] fta ^ [13:02] uncommit + revert + last minute changes + commit + RELEASE commit + push --overwrite [13:02] aha... [13:02] just to keep a clean branch [13:03] godlygeek, as far as I can see, the versions should be same, at least in intrepid and hardy-updates [13:03] Jazzva, overwrite should not matter unless someone else pulled the branch during this short window.. but we are a small group and we communicate so it should not matter much. [13:04] fta, I agree with that. But because of small window, I agree with asac too. Man in the middle :) [13:04] fta, take a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0 [13:04] changelog for 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [13:05] see how asac has two human icons, and you one. Bug in Launchpad? [13:05] Hmm... that's not the only place in the changelogs. [13:05] woah... 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [13:06] hm. wonder if it's a change that needs to be backported from X, or some such... [13:06] with the same blob and same firefox, that'd be my first guess for where the difference could lie... [13:07] Jazzva, lol, seems it's the number of times you appear in each entry [13:07] fta, right. It's confusing :) [13:10] and it's from a patched dch.. asac patched it locally to add emails in the [] [13:11] mhm [13:14] Jazzva: on intrepid, what's the flash version number you get? [13:15] godlygeek, 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1 [13:15] about:plugins has Shockwave Flash 10.0.0 d525 for me... wonder if i have a later one than you? [13:15] that's the one [13:20] so, with the same version of ff3, and of flash, any thoughts at what things i should try to investigate? [13:20] it really is the difference between "works well" and "completely unusable" [14:11] is there a repo or a ppa with flash10beta around? [14:13] yep [14:13] * cwillu jumps eagerly [14:14] * cwillu sits down obediently, with a stick in his mouth, tail wagging [14:14] https://launchpad.net/~thielmann/+archive [14:14] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/thielmann/ubuntu hardy main [14:15] Working better for me [14:15] sounds great, thanks [14:15] but still slow for some full screen videos [14:15] does one still need asound2-plugins? [14:16] don't seem to [14:16] XioNoX, if on intrepid, please test nspluginwrapper 1.0.0 from mozilla team's ppa [14:16] It might solve slowness [14:17] I'm still on hardy [14:17] and on 64bits, if i can help [14:18] nspluginwrapper compiled ok for amd64. It should work too... [14:19] can you build nspluginwrapper 1 for hardy ? [14:20] btw, that version for flash is bad (cairo10.0.0.525ubuntu1). It's higher than any number version [14:20] at least I think [14:20] XioNoX, I can try to push this to my ppa and see if it will build for hardy. [14:20] ok, thanks [14:21] np [14:21] there's already a 32-bit nspluginwrapper built for hardy in someone's ppa... [14:21] (that's what we're talking about, right?) [14:21] version 1.0.0? [14:22] i need a 64bits version to test it [14:24] sorry, no - nspluginwrapper_0.9.91.5-2ubuntu2_i386.deb [14:24] fta, ping [14:25] hello there. anyone know why mozilla team's ppa seems to have a "mozilla-thunderbird" package which is 1.5? [14:27] fta, nvm :) [14:30] grrr, i'm fighting with sparql, can't get anything right. maybe it's my rdf files [14:37] XioNoX, built :). Please report back how it works... https://edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/+archive [14:38] And I suppose it will be replaced by the one in MT (in case we publish it to MT's PPA). [14:39] not yet on my apt-get [14:40] have you added my ppa? [14:40] yep [14:40] hmm... should be there in few minutes, I guess... [14:40] on your page, status is still "pending" [14:40] and not yet Published [14:41] now it is ok [14:41] oh, and run apt-get --reinstall install flashplugin-nonfree after. [14:44] ok, it is a little bit better, but not enough fluid [14:44] there are still sacades [14:45] and one of my cores are at 100% [14:45] what's a sacade? [14:45] saccades [14:46] google traduction give me that word [14:47] it is not fluid, there are some "micro" pauses [14:47] aha, got it... [14:47] same here. [14:48] youtube is working fine [14:49] but a french TV website that propose to see movies during 14 days for free isn't [14:49] godlygeek, yeah, I notice the white dots here too... Now I took a good look at the video. [14:49] bis is amazing to see how flash is stable on 64bits [14:56] 'm off. be back in the evening. see you :) [14:57] cu [15:49] asac: hi, you there? [15:49] yeah. just woke up [15:49] asac: woke up!? [15:51] is is 8am in vacouver i think [16:33] all fine? [16:33] ;) [16:38] no bears ? :D [16:38] hehe [16:38] i'm stuck with a little pb [16:39] i am stuck in a little village ;) [16:39] ok, you win ;) [16:39] so whats the prob? [16:40] it is to get the ?XPILocation content in javascript [16:40] buttInstall.setAttribute("oncommand", "installPlugin();"); [16:41] in the installPlugin(); [16:41] because ?XPIlocation is replaced by it content only when XUL parse it [16:41] and not js [16:42] huh? [16:42] its replaced _before_ i think [16:42] so using installPlugin('?something'); should work imo [16:42]