| * ogra_Q1 struggles with the keyboard | 14:51 | |
| persia | ogra: Pretend it doesn't have a keyboard. Use an external one. Otherwise, you need to sharpen your fingers every few minutes. | 14:55 |
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| ogra | yeah | 14:55 |
| ogra | i use an external one now for hacking up the initramfs :) | 14:55 |
| persia | Then you have a chance :) I hear they also do ssh well. | 14:56 |
| ogra | but i thought i should try the pain our users have to bear first | 14:56 |
| persia | ogra: I guess, although I'm not a fan of that form factor. I'd like to see a return of the 4" convertible tablet: you get a reasonable keyboard, and it doesn't make the device bigger. | 14:58 |
| ogra | well, i'm curious abou tteh jax | 14:58 |
| * StevenK is too | 14:58 | |
| persia | Well, I guess I don't mind the convertible 7" tablets, except that my pocket has trouble with more than about 5" diagnols. | 14:58 |
| persia | Isn't jax a slider? Like the N800? | 14:58 |
| StevenK | Yes, it is | 14:59 |
| StevenK | But not like the N800 | 14:59 |
| ogra | it has at least a keyboard thats not split and might be thumb friendly | 14:59 |
| StevenK | The N810 has the sliding keyboard | 14:59 |
| persia | Ah. N810 then. Nokia didn't release here, as it didn't have enough useful features to compare with the average keitai (as far as I could tell). | 15:01 |
| persia | (Then again, Sharp and NEC don't tend to release anywhere else, which makes for difficulties in comparisons) | 15:01 |
| ogra | bah, booting without power plugged in makes the console hard to read | 15:02 |
| persia | Is the brightness hardcoded to the presence of power? That seems odd. | 15:03 |
| ogra | not sure | 15:03 |
| StevenK | For boot, yes | 15:03 |
| ogra | but its pretty dark that way | 15:03 |
| StevenK | You can change the brightness once it's booted | 15:03 |
| ogra | hrm, and i have to type my gnome-keyring pw every boot | 15:03 |
| ogra | StevenK, did you test debbies changes ? | 15:09 |
| ogra | (definately breaks the touchscreen for me) | 15:10 |
| persia | ogra: Are you loading the touchscreen driver in the initramfs? | 15:11 |
| ogra | persia, the prob is the udevadm settle we drop ... it doesnt seem to wait long enough for the drivers if X comes up with that | 15:12 |
| ogra | but that wins several seconds | 15:12 |
| StevenK | ogra: Nope, that's a job for Monday | 15:12 |
| ogra | (i bet more than the modprobe.rules stuff) | 15:13 |
| ogra | hmm, adding a second trigger to the end of the initscript gives me the touchscreen but miscalibrated | 15:13 |
| ogra | oh and the jogdial/mouse doesnt work either :/ | 15:14 |
| persia | On my SR8 I had trouble with extra mice: from what I could see of the configuration, it is only using the touchscreen (or touchpad on my device due to different indexing). Miscalibration at first boot/first install is a known issue. | 15:16 |
| persia | (or at least cgregan knew about it) | 15:16 |
| ogra | well, its not if you have the driver available before X comes up | 15:16 |
| ogra | udevadm settle is exactly there to make sure that happens in time | 15:17 |
| ogra | but delays your bot until that happened | 15:17 |
| ogra | *boot | 15:17 |
| ogra | the trick is the have the input modules loaded right after the necessary fs modules | 15:17 |
| ogra | *to | 15:17 |
| persia | Hmm. I thought there was an issue with the right side of the screen. Then again, I've only played with one for maybe two minutes, so I could well be completely wrong. | 15:18 |
| ogra | ther is an issue with the calibration, yes | 15:18 |
| ogra | but this issue is different | 15:18 |
| persia | Ah. | 15:18 |
| ogra | i either have no touchscreen or its massively off | 15:18 |
| ogra | like several cm | 15:18 |
| persia | several cm matches my experience with the SR8, although it may be that the different hardware is part of that. | 15:19 |
| ogra | it was well calibrated after install | 15:21 |
| ogra | well, as well as "right side of screen not fully reachable" | 15:21 |
| ogra | hmm | 15:33 |
| * ogra is confused looking at the fs setup | 15:34 | |
| ogra | i thought we dont use squashfs in the installed system | 15:34 |
| ogra | hum | 15:40 |
| ogra | and using a modules file in intramfs is pretty pointless if you build it with MODULES=most anyway | 15:40 |
| persia | ogra: We do use squashfs in the installed system. That's what the fuss about kernel upgrades was about. The plan was not to use it for devices with large available local storage. | 15:44 |
| persia | Which reminds me, is my memory correct that the analysis of whether the system had large local storage or not would be a d-i thing correct? | 15:44 |
| ogra | right | 15:45 |
| persia | s/correct//2? | 15:45 |
| ogra | yay, so dropping all usb modules from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and removung udevadm settle from the udev initscript works and "feels" speedier | 15:45 |
| persia | Does USB still work? | 15:46 |
| ogra | yep | 15:46 |
| ogra | is loaded by the actual initscript anyway later in the init process | 15:46 |
| ogra | you just dont lose time for probing the modules in intramfs (where you dont need them at all) | 15:46 |
| persia | Ah, right. | 15:47 |
| ogra | i guess thats a remaining thing from MIC | 15:47 |
| ogra | it needs them during install | 15:47 |
| ogra | and i suspect it then just copied the modules file over | 15:47 |
| === energY_ is now known as energY | ||
| Maverick2k | I want to customize the kernel and ubuntu mobile for a Atom desktop board | 22:19 |
| Maverick2k | for customizing the kernel I'm looking for a pristine tree | 22:20 |
| Maverick2k | does some one know some place where I can download a kernel tree | 22:21 |
| Maverick2k | is it smart for a mobile application to download from kernel.org? | 22:22 |
| Maverick2k | I'm going offline, but I appreciate if someone could answer the question above, I shall be looking at the irc log thnx in advance | 22:35 |
| Maverick2k | bye bye | 22:35 |
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