[14:51]  * ogra_Q1 struggles with the keyboard
[14:55] <persia> ogra: Pretend it doesn't have a keyboard.  Use an external one.  Otherwise, you need to sharpen your fingers every few minutes.
[14:55] <ogra> yeah
[14:55] <ogra> i use an external one now for hacking up the initramfs :)
[14:56] <persia> Then you have a chance :)  I hear they also do ssh well.
[14:56] <ogra> but i thought i should try the pain our users have to bear first 
[14:58] <persia> ogra: I guess, although I'm not a fan of that form factor.  I'd like to see a return of the 4" convertible tablet: you get a reasonable keyboard, and it doesn't make the device bigger.
[14:58] <ogra> well, i'm curious abou tteh jax
[14:58]  * StevenK is too
[14:58] <persia> Well, I guess I don't mind the convertible 7" tablets, except that my pocket has trouble with more than about 5" diagnols.
[14:58] <persia> Isn't jax a slider?  Like the N800?
[14:59] <StevenK> Yes, it is
[14:59] <StevenK> But not like the N800
[14:59] <ogra> it has at least a keyboard thats not split and might be thumb friendly
[14:59] <StevenK> The N810 has the sliding keyboard
[15:01] <persia> Ah.  N810 then.  Nokia didn't release here, as it didn't have enough useful features to compare with the average keitai (as far as I could tell).
[15:01] <persia> (Then again, Sharp and NEC don't tend to release anywhere else, which makes for difficulties in comparisons)
[15:02] <ogra> bah, booting without power plugged in makes the console hard to read
[15:03] <persia> Is the brightness hardcoded to the presence of power?  That seems odd.
[15:03] <ogra> not sure
[15:03] <StevenK> For boot, yes
[15:03] <ogra> but its pretty dark that way
[15:03] <StevenK> You can change the brightness once it's booted
[15:03] <ogra> hrm, and i have to type my gnome-keyring pw every boot
[15:09] <ogra> StevenK, did you test debbies changes ? 
[15:10] <ogra> (definately breaks the touchscreen for me)
[15:11] <persia> ogra: Are you loading the touchscreen driver in the initramfs?
[15:12] <ogra> persia, the prob is the udevadm settle we drop ... it doesnt seem to wait long enough for the drivers if X comes up with that
[15:12] <ogra> but that wins several seconds 
[15:12] <StevenK> ogra: Nope, that's a job for Monday
[15:13] <ogra> (i bet more than the modprobe.rules stuff)
[15:13] <ogra> hmm, adding a second trigger to the end of the initscript gives me the touchscreen but miscalibrated
[15:14] <ogra> oh and the jogdial/mouse doesnt work either :/
[15:16] <persia> On my SR8 I had trouble with extra mice: from what I could see of the configuration, it is only using the touchscreen (or touchpad on my device due to different indexing).  Miscalibration at first boot/first install is a known issue.
[15:16] <persia> (or at least cgregan knew about it)
[15:16] <ogra> well, its not if you have the driver available before X comes up
[15:17] <ogra> udevadm settle is exactly there to make sure that happens in time
[15:17] <ogra> but delays your bot until that happened
[15:17] <ogra> *boot
[15:17] <ogra> the trick is the have the input modules loaded right after the necessary fs modules 
[15:17] <ogra> *to
[15:18] <persia> Hmm.  I thought there was an issue with the right side of the screen.  Then again, I've only played with one for maybe two minutes, so I could well be completely wrong.
[15:18] <ogra> ther is an issue with the calibration, yes
[15:18] <ogra> but this issue is different 
[15:18] <persia> Ah.
[15:18] <ogra> i either have no touchscreen or its massively off
[15:18] <ogra> like several cm
[15:19] <persia> several cm matches my experience with the SR8, although it may be that the different hardware is part of that.
[15:21] <ogra> it was well calibrated after install 
[15:21] <ogra> well, as well as "right side of screen not fully reachable"
[15:33] <ogra> hmm
[15:34]  * ogra is confused looking at the fs setup
[15:34] <ogra> i thought we dont use squashfs in the installed system 
[15:40] <ogra> hum
[15:40] <ogra> and using a modules file in intramfs is pretty pointless if you build it with MODULES=most anyway
[15:44] <persia> ogra: We do use squashfs in the installed system.  That's what the fuss about kernel upgrades was about.  The plan was not to use it for devices with large available local storage.
[15:44] <persia> Which reminds me, is my memory correct that the analysis of whether the system had large local storage or not would be a d-i thing correct?
[15:45] <ogra> right
[15:45] <persia> s/correct//2?
[15:45] <ogra> yay, so dropping all usb modules from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and removung udevadm settle from the udev initscript works and "feels" speedier
[15:46] <persia> Does USB still work?
[15:46] <ogra> yep
[15:46] <ogra> is loaded by the actual initscript anyway later in the init process
[15:46] <ogra> you just dont lose time for probing the modules in intramfs (where you dont need them at all)
[15:47] <persia> Ah, right.
[15:47] <ogra> i guess thats a remaining thing from MIC
[15:47] <ogra> it needs them during install
[15:47] <ogra> and i suspect it then just copied the modules file over
[22:19] <Maverick2k> I want to customize the kernel and ubuntu mobile for a Atom desktop board
[22:20] <Maverick2k> for customizing the kernel I'm looking for a pristine tree
[22:21] <Maverick2k> does some one know some place where I can download a kernel tree
[22:22] <Maverick2k> is it smart for a mobile application to download from kernel.org? 
[22:35] <Maverick2k> I'm going offline, but I appreciate if someone could answer the question above, I shall be looking at the irc log thnx in advance
[22:35] <Maverick2k> bye bye