[14:51] * ogra_Q1 struggles with the keyboard [14:55] ogra: Pretend it doesn't have a keyboard. Use an external one. Otherwise, you need to sharpen your fingers every few minutes. [14:55] yeah [14:55] i use an external one now for hacking up the initramfs :) [14:56] Then you have a chance :) I hear they also do ssh well. [14:56] but i thought i should try the pain our users have to bear first [14:58] ogra: I guess, although I'm not a fan of that form factor. I'd like to see a return of the 4" convertible tablet: you get a reasonable keyboard, and it doesn't make the device bigger. [14:58] well, i'm curious abou tteh jax [14:58] * StevenK is too [14:58] Well, I guess I don't mind the convertible 7" tablets, except that my pocket has trouble with more than about 5" diagnols. [14:58] Isn't jax a slider? Like the N800? [14:59] Yes, it is [14:59] But not like the N800 [14:59] it has at least a keyboard thats not split and might be thumb friendly [14:59] The N810 has the sliding keyboard [15:01] Ah. N810 then. Nokia didn't release here, as it didn't have enough useful features to compare with the average keitai (as far as I could tell). [15:01] (Then again, Sharp and NEC don't tend to release anywhere else, which makes for difficulties in comparisons) [15:02] bah, booting without power plugged in makes the console hard to read [15:03] Is the brightness hardcoded to the presence of power? That seems odd. [15:03] not sure [15:03] For boot, yes [15:03] but its pretty dark that way [15:03] You can change the brightness once it's booted [15:03] hrm, and i have to type my gnome-keyring pw every boot [15:09] StevenK, did you test debbies changes ? [15:10] (definately breaks the touchscreen for me) [15:11] ogra: Are you loading the touchscreen driver in the initramfs? [15:12] persia, the prob is the udevadm settle we drop ... it doesnt seem to wait long enough for the drivers if X comes up with that [15:12] but that wins several seconds [15:12] ogra: Nope, that's a job for Monday [15:13] (i bet more than the modprobe.rules stuff) [15:13] hmm, adding a second trigger to the end of the initscript gives me the touchscreen but miscalibrated [15:14] oh and the jogdial/mouse doesnt work either :/ [15:16] On my SR8 I had trouble with extra mice: from what I could see of the configuration, it is only using the touchscreen (or touchpad on my device due to different indexing). Miscalibration at first boot/first install is a known issue. [15:16] (or at least cgregan knew about it) [15:16] well, its not if you have the driver available before X comes up [15:17] udevadm settle is exactly there to make sure that happens in time [15:17] but delays your bot until that happened [15:17] *boot [15:17] the trick is the have the input modules loaded right after the necessary fs modules [15:17] *to [15:18] Hmm. I thought there was an issue with the right side of the screen. Then again, I've only played with one for maybe two minutes, so I could well be completely wrong. [15:18] ther is an issue with the calibration, yes [15:18] but this issue is different [15:18] Ah. [15:18] i either have no touchscreen or its massively off [15:18] like several cm [15:19] several cm matches my experience with the SR8, although it may be that the different hardware is part of that. [15:21] it was well calibrated after install [15:21] well, as well as "right side of screen not fully reachable" [15:33] hmm [15:34] * ogra is confused looking at the fs setup [15:34] i thought we dont use squashfs in the installed system [15:40] hum [15:40] and using a modules file in intramfs is pretty pointless if you build it with MODULES=most anyway [15:44] ogra: We do use squashfs in the installed system. That's what the fuss about kernel upgrades was about. The plan was not to use it for devices with large available local storage. [15:44] Which reminds me, is my memory correct that the analysis of whether the system had large local storage or not would be a d-i thing correct? [15:45] right [15:45] s/correct//2? [15:45] yay, so dropping all usb modules from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and removung udevadm settle from the udev initscript works and "feels" speedier [15:46] Does USB still work? [15:46] yep [15:46] is loaded by the actual initscript anyway later in the init process [15:46] you just dont lose time for probing the modules in intramfs (where you dont need them at all) [15:47] Ah, right. [15:47] i guess thats a remaining thing from MIC [15:47] it needs them during install [15:47] and i suspect it then just copied the modules file over === energY_ is now known as energY [22:19] I want to customize the kernel and ubuntu mobile for a Atom desktop board [22:20] for customizing the kernel I'm looking for a pristine tree [22:21] does some one know some place where I can download a kernel tree [22:22] is it smart for a mobile application to download from kernel.org? [22:35] I'm going offline, but I appreciate if someone could answer the question above, I shall be looking at the irc log thnx in advance [22:35] bye bye