[01:16] * Flannel wonders whos awake with access in -offtopic [01:17] cheesy? [01:17] No [01:17] purplestar [01:17] he quit [01:18] Yes, but he never sticks around. Joins IRC, posts a question at the same time in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic, badmouths whoever corrects him, then leaves. [01:18] doesn't even stick around for the answer [01:18] poke me if you need assistance [01:19] I'm planning to stay awake this night - but am watching movies to pass the time [01:19] he quit right after the 'did you take your meds?' question [01:19] bazhang: right, doesn't stick around to hear the answer [01:19] heh [01:20] bazhang: this is actually the first time Ive seen him mention it in #ubuntu, usually the ill-will stays in -offtopic [01:20] I'd just as soon banforward him here so we can address the issue, and hopefully not continue like this ad infinitum [01:20] Flannel, he has been known to be a bit snippy in #u in the past; nothing bannable but still very annoying [01:22] Myrtti: whether you want to implement that is up to you. It's your name on the ban ;) [01:28] mäeh [02:09] __mikem called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [02:09] meh [02:17] * nalioth smells mutton [02:18] yay, mutton! [02:55] TiredWolf called the ops in #ubuntu (_XXL__1991_) [02:56] TiredWolf called the ops in #ubuntu (phiqtion, repeated bot abuse) [02:56] done [02:57] do they come in waves? [02:57] I think so [02:57] TiredWolf called the ops in #ubuntu (Rouge6) [02:57] phiqtion called the ops in #ubuntu (TiredWolf, repeated bot abuse) [03:06] * nickrud goes back to amazon to blow some money [03:06] nickrud: dont spend it all on one place [03:06] amazon! Save Money! Screw the local Book Store! But sadly, the only local bookstores where I live are Borders [03:23] nomnomnom [03:24] we had a free lunch at work today, from the building management. I forgot the first rule, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Sick [03:30] hah [03:32] * Myrtti yawns [04:51] woot, 'theemann2003' found my blog post [04:53] rofl, his reasoning is that because it's *packaged* right, that all that other stuff doesnt count [04:53] seriously my ribs are hurting here [04:53] Flannel, ^^ [05:19] wols_ called the ops in #ubuntu () === tritium_ is now known as tritium [06:21] elky: awww, nice [06:21] yay, I'm falling asleep sitting [06:22] Tm_T: I reserved a hotel room after all [06:23] Myrtti: oh, its ok, i got keys and am there on 4 hours [06:24] I've drank four redbulls and one ED and I'm still falling asleep [06:24] ouch [06:25] note: inside the arena, not by our booth = lots more noise though I've got my Koss earplugs in [06:26] I decided I've earned a good sleep in good bed in quiet [06:26] this tiredness isn't result of only staying awake this night [07:07] In ubottu, iqson716 said: This is an autoreply: I am currently not available. [07:34] * Myrtti yawns [07:34] finally the caffeine kicks in [07:35] sigh @ motu [07:35] it never kicks in it just arrives [07:36] * ompaul hrumphs at #ubuntu [07:36] I don't understand the comment so I will say nothing [07:37] tinge of abnormality [07:37] btw smallfoot- did not get removed [07:37] if someone else wants to so be it [07:37] ompaul: huh? [07:38] Hobbsee, once a week I go in and remove bans that from 1-2 weeks old [07:38] not in the last week [07:38] in the worst case you are banned for 14 days in the best case 7 [07:38] ompaul: oh good. i don't want to see his removed anytime soon, and i'm fairly sure nalioth agrees. [07:39] Hobbsee, which is why if you have a "special" case user@boo does not get removed but *!*@boo does [08:18] elky: Yeah, he touted his improved knowledge of the debian control files as a major improvement. [08:28] hrm... sigh... firefox is broken here for some weird reason... [08:28] oh, and morning all [08:32] mmmmrrrrnn [08:33] jussi@jussi:~$ firefox [08:33] Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries [08:33] anyone got any idea on that? [08:33] *cry* [09:05] Seeker`: How can we help you? [09:06] Hmmm, nevermind. [09:06] better? [09:06] * Flannel opens foot, inserts mouth. [09:07] :) [10:55] I almost feel like going home [10:56] Myrtti: why? [10:58] I hate saturday mornings [10:58] Because right now as Im waiting Tm_T, Im forced to hear and see the Jackass [10:59] And it really pisses me [10:59] off [10:59] * elky cuddles Myrtti [11:02] REALLY ROYALLY PISSES ME OFF [11:04] :/ [11:04] * elky cuddles tighter? [11:06] Yeah... Meh [12:00] Anyone awake with ops in -offtopic? [12:00] Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (waheela) [12:01] Myrtti? [12:02] oh for pete's sake. [12:02] who's pete? [12:04] jpds: someone with ops in -offtopic it seems. This is rediculus. [12:04] gnomefreak: Just boot him already. [12:04] gnomefreak: He's been trolling for a bit. and has been warned a number of times [12:05] Flannel: im watching since i am so late with the rm command i just warned him, but i have eye on that channel [12:05] gnomefreak: yeah, but that still just pisses me off to no end. [12:06] i know but i caught it too late :( [12:06] hold on [12:06] was having a panic attack [12:06] gnomefreak: We need more active ops with access in -offtopic. [12:06] Flannel: i know i was working on something though [12:07] gnomefreak: I'm not blaming you, its hardly a single person's fault [12:07] oh and we cant do anything about trolling as i understand it [12:07] gnomefreak: Sure you can. Its against the code of conduct [12:08] hmm, and IRC guidelines, I believe. [12:08] PANIC attack. [12:08] hoohhhhhhhoihhha [12:08] gnomefreak: yeah, IRC guidelines [12:09] Flannel: we cant even call users trolls [12:09] gnomefreak: "don't be annoying" [12:09] let alone remove them [12:09] gnomefreak: so, people who exist solely to annoy people -- against guidelines. [12:10] let alone the fact that the act is against the spirit of the CoC, if not the letter. [12:11] we just need to stay away from word troll or anyother words like [12:11] gnomefreak: removing them has nothing to do with "troll", but, if they are trolling, why are we worried about calling it what it is? [12:12] [waheela] (n=kermode@cpe-75-180-46-174.columbus.res.rr.com): U-VALHALLA\kermode looks familiar [12:12] bazhang: kermode is still on, same IP [12:15] Flannel: why help him? its not support channel and you were all for getting rid of him im assuming because he was bothering you [12:17] gnomefreak: Because we exist for support. Punishment only needs to last as long as it's needed. We want them to participate and contribute instead of detracting, we aren't trying to scare peopple away. [12:17] Flannel: just wondering [12:17] some people need nudging to get to the former from the penultimate. [12:18] Flannel: im not against helping him at all [12:19] hi kids [12:19] * Tm_T hugged Myrtti <3 [12:27] * Flannel wonders how it got to be 430 already. [12:29] gnomefreak: i don't think you can call them trolls. but you can ceratinly deal with thier trollish behaviour, by the guidelines. [12:35] I thought I had lost my purse [12:35] Hobbsee: yeah i thought about it after i said it :( [12:36] perhaps the !atroll should be removed then [12:37] I think thats more PSA than accusatory [12:37] dear rsync, please stop being a pain. [12:37] it sends the message though; wouldn't want any ruffled feathers. [12:38] !atroll [12:38] trolling / trollish behaviour is behaviour that is considered annoying by other channel users, this includes going offtopic, asking the same question time and again getting answered and not acknowledging the answer, and these are not the only ways behaviour can be considered trolling, please see /msg ubotu guidelines - if this applies to you, you may find yourself outside the channel [12:38] should be alased to coc guidelines maybe [12:38] might have to order in some smelling salts and fainting sofas for those who get the vapors at the mention of the dreaded 'T' word [12:38] or rewored [12:38] re worded [12:38] I actually really like the wording on that. It covers *all* of the non-malicious problems we have. [12:39] or at least, not-necessarily-malicious [12:39] anyone agaisnt me alisasing it to guidelines? [12:39] I am [12:39] reason? [12:40] similar to FalseProphet yesterday asking if he could install mythbuntu on his iPod [12:40] the word troll is not allowed by CC [12:40] * Myrtti pokes her Internet [12:40] gnomefreak: Where? [12:40] Flannel: anywhere [12:40] gnomefreak: What part of the CC? [12:40] and what is the penalty for the use of the T word [12:40] and, is that verified in a meeting somewhere? [12:40] coumuunity council [12:40] gnomefreak: I know what the CC is. [12:40] community [12:41] er, sorry [12:41] "what part of" was methinking we were talking about CoC [12:41] but, where did the CC pass such a stupid rule? [12:41] s/where/when/ [12:41] Flannel: it was brought up in meeting when whatshername brought up ops behavour [12:41] gnomefreak: didn't that meeting never actually happen? [12:41] emma IIRC [12:41] it happened [12:41] * Flannel is angry at all these freaking ninja CC meetings. [12:42] it was a free for all against ops [12:42] its been something like 2 months now [12:42] You can't honestly announce a CC meeting less than a week before. [12:42] Flannel: that has been fixed [12:42] gnomefreak: yes, but the meeting was announced like two days before, and then the agenda kept chaning as to whether it was going to be talked about or not [12:42] IIRC at that same meeting [12:43] gnomefreak: Except the problem is, well, effectively, *everything* that was passed/decided/whtaever before we actually had functional meetings is slighted towards people who can magiclaly make meetings. [12:43] i know i wasnt happy about it either however it was seveas job to set meetings and this was first meeting after he left [12:44] how long is a semester [12:44] When is the next CC meeting? I'd like to bring up the topic of bureacracy for the sake of itself harming our abilities to properly run these channels [12:44] depends on the school [12:44] Flannel: give me a minute [12:45] hardly on topic though [12:45] needs to be added to agenda [12:45] my interhnets must be broken [12:45] * gnomefreak wouldnt bring that up but i cant stop anyone from doing it [12:45] how so? dns lost? [12:45] gnomefreak: anyway, as for the factoid in question.... [12:45] Flannel: on the 5th (this tuesday) [12:46] because it covers a lot of issues, by name, that we deal with. (repeating the questions without listening to answers, etc) [12:46] gnomefreak: Thatfactoid does not accuse anyone of doing anything. [12:46] yeah it does when its used [12:46] it simply mentions "hey,this is what trolling is" much like we have factoids for what X and Y are. [12:46] perhaps a tinyurl link to the NYT article :) [12:46] you use it because you think the user is a troll [12:46] you == in general [12:46] gnomefreak: No, it says "if you think this applys to you" [12:46] applies, even. [12:46] !atroll [12:46] trolling / trollish behaviour is behaviour that is considered annoying by other channel users, this includes going offtopic, asking the same question time and again getting answered and not acknowledging the answer, and these are not the only ways behaviour can be considered trolling, please see /msg ubotu guidelines - if this applies to you, you may find yourself outside the channel [12:47] no it doesnt [12:47] "If this applies to you" [12:47] ah at the end [12:47] meaning... we don't know if it does. [12:47] its a PSA, not an accusation. [12:47] that doesnt make it any different since you are using it due to the person showing trolling actions/topics/ect.. [12:47] gnomefreak: If someone does something like this: [12:47] !atroll | gnomefreak [12:47] gnomefreak: trolling / trollish behaviour is behaviour that is considered annoying by other channel users, this includes going offtopic, asking the same question time and again getting answered and not acknowledging the answer, and these are not the only ways behaviour can be considered trolling, please see /msg ubotu guidelines - if this applies to you, you may find yourself outside the channel [12:48] gnomefreak: that's that particular user associating someone with the factoid [12:48] not the factoid itself. [12:48] And we'll have to take the user aside and tell them "its not nice to call people trolls" [12:48] well use it as you wish but dont be suprised if someone that you use it one was at the meeting that day and reports it [12:49] that factoid is much more useful than "go read these webpages" because *no* one actually opens a browser and reads the webpages [12:49] gnomefreak: I'll be happy to defend against stupidity. [12:49] Flannel: so !coc and !duidelines should be aliased to !atroll since noone reads the links? [12:49] gnomefreak: No. Becuase those are much more specific. [12:50] but, to be honest, no one* reads links. (* no one who is behaving poorly) [12:51] If someone is in the channel to be annoying, !coc-ing them isn't going to change anything. Its just a warning shot before they get penalized. [12:51] Flannel: if you want the ban on the word troll lifted add it to meeting agenda we didnt make these rules nor were most of us happy about them but we have to follow them [12:51] it makes sense not to officially label people, though [12:51] while it's well and truly obvious about what they are, actually labelling them as such does have some effects. [12:51] I need more hugs. [12:51] yup [12:51] "X is trolling" isn't the same as "X is a troll" [12:51] correct. [12:52] Myrtti: I'm here, dear [12:52] can we use the former? its not labelling them, its labelling their actions. [12:52] yes ... but [12:52] Flannel: yes [12:52] Hobbsee: Sounds good. [12:54] dont use it torwards emma (cant remember the other users) [12:55] gnomefreak: If it comes up, I'll argue semantics and repeal the original decision. But I don't think she's active much anymore. Never see her talk, just log on. As freaking ironic as that is. [12:55] s/repeal/challenge/ [12:56] * Flannel is tired. should get to bed. [12:56] well she and a few others have a habit of bringing things to CC because they feel we are wrong [12:56] gnomefreak: Yes, and I'm doing the same thing. [12:57] well, except with the "we" meaning something different. [12:58] we meaning ops [12:58] gnomefreak: no, in my case, "we" meaning CC's decision. [12:59] just... go with it. Ignore my original "same thing" and substitute... similar. [12:59] http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?ei=5058&partner=IWON&pagewanted=all [12:59] "we" didnt have a vote on it it was decided by CC only so in english it would be they/them but either way i have a feeling this is gonna backfire on us [12:59] gnomefreak: I'll read the logs tomorrow [13:00] anyway, sun's coming up. I'm going to bed. Feel free to comment more, I'll get them in the morning. [13:02] hello sinners [13:04] hi Jucato [13:05] MY INTERNETS IS BROKEN, RIGHT PEEPLES NOT ONLNI. [13:07] Myrtti: hrrrr, shake it, or hug, might help === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [13:30] am i the only op in #ubuntu-offtopic on? [13:31] yup [13:31] bazhang: you have ops in #ubuntu right? [13:31] gnomefreak, aye; watchin ot as well though (toothless but still watching) [13:32] * gnomefreak thinks ops in #ubuntu should be added to -ot as well [13:32] be back smoke [13:39] nalioth elky LjL PriceChild can we set some of the ops in #ubuntu to have ops in -ot so we have ops in -ot on weekends or whenever other ops are not around [13:47] maybe now they will behave? [13:47] * gnomefreak doesnt like babysitting on weekends [13:47] for about five seconds [13:48] * bazhang sits on the babies [13:48] oh that didnt come out right [13:48] lol [13:48] nickspoon is going to push his luck today [13:49] s/pushed beyond all limits/ [13:49] ;) [13:49] well maybe that i showed there are ops watching it will be better than it has been today [13:49] get back to fixing stuff! :) [13:50] lol [13:52] * gnomefreak needs to finda prevous channel key instead of /win # [13:52] haha [13:52] etch is broken badly and yet lenny runs fine [13:52] kind of ironic [13:53] very true :) [14:13] * gnomefreak just started what i know is going to be bad but i guess themann needs to know what --assume and --force does and why it is bad to use without knowing it [14:13] ok im gone for a bit while they protest [14:13] hehe [15:51] TiredWolf called the ops in #ubuntu (LOLEZSSO keeps on spamming) [16:43] My Ubuntu exploded [16:43] PR nightmare [16:44] PR? [16:46] public relations :) [16:46] omg, ubuntu exploded and killed my cat! [16:47] hehe [17:08] * Myrtti is a bit happier [17:08] :) [17:08] I had a nap ♥ [17:08] me too! [17:08] I didn't sleep last night at all [17:08] guhreat! [17:09] 32h awake was too much [17:09] now in a hotel, soon getting dressed up and return to the venue [17:10] veerrry nice :) [17:10] I don't think cotton sheets have ever felt this good against the skin [17:10] you deserve it. [17:13] I thought I lost Tm_T's ticket, had to suffer looking at the Jackass, thought I've lost my purse (with my credit card) - I cried when I found it. I couldn't have stayed up longer, I started to make silly errors [17:13] Tm_T's ticket was in my *left* pocket, not right where I looked [17:13] and my purse was in my backpack... instead of handbag. [17:14] we struggle mightily without you, but will somehow endure :) [17:14] hihi [17:14] * nickrud enjoys flattery laid on with a trowel [17:14] hahaha [17:14] * bazhang gets out the trowel [17:15] * nickrud runs, it's thick enough already :) [17:15] Although it's pretty true, anyway [17:15] lakeoftea> who's ready to smoke this very large bowl with me? [17:15] 0.o [18:24] Heya. I'm stuck away from home and have to use mibbit; I don't suppose there's any way I can get into #ubuntu-offtopic still? [18:24] Mibbit seems to be overriding my unafilliated cloak. [18:25] Anyone have an issue with me getting rid of the mibbit ban in -offtopic? [18:25] If it becomes an issue again we can put it back up? [18:25] I don't. [18:25] I know that :P [18:25] heh [18:26] Only affiliated cloaks override gateway cloaks [18:26] Besides wikipedia, I'm not really affiliated with much more than various ubuntu projects, and not enough to get a cloak. :/ [18:26] recon: go for it [18:26] join I mean [18:27] Yay, got in. [18:27] Thanks. [20:13] Myrtti: and I got hug from you when everything were found [20:14] <3 [20:16] Mez: hi son [20:55] Hello is Hobbsee here? [21:01] smallfoot-: most likely asleep, anything I can help with? [21:02] I would like to get unbanned from the #ubuntu channel. She banned me. She told me to come back in a week and ask her to remove the ban. Here I am. [21:03] @btlogin [21:03] ubottu: test [21:05] Failed! [21:05] hmm [21:05] !ping [21:05] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [21:05] responsive :-) [21:06] smallfoot-: Let me catch up on logs please. [21:07] okie [21:08] im also banned from #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-offtopic :( [21:14] smallfoot-: Why do you want the bans removed? [21:27] uhm, so i can join the channels and talk [21:27] smallfoot-: about the same things as before? [21:27] i dont even know what i talked about before [21:27] i been banned for like a month [21:27] smallfoot-: what do you want to talk about then? [21:28] i dont know [21:28] in #ubuntu+1 i want to whine about that compiz dont load on startup [21:28] smallfoot-: We're not going to unban you at this time then. [21:28] and on #ubuntu-offtopic, i want to talk about random ubuntu stuff [21:28] oh :( [21:28] but i been banned very long time many weeks!! [21:29] look i have intrepid ibex, and my mp3 dont work good in rhythmbox only in totem, and it dont load compiz on startup [21:29] i must tell them it, so they can know it, and they must help me [21:29] and they must fix it [21:29] smallfoot-: This isn't a support channel, anything else we can help you with that is ontopic for this channel? [21:30] hmm [21:30] yes, please unban me from the channels, so that i can get support in the designated support channel [21:30] smallfoot-: I've already stated we're not going to unban you. [21:30] but you must [21:30] why not? [21:31] look its not good for me to be banned,i cant get help, thats bad [21:31] smallfoot-: because I don't believe you'll be any different this time. Now I think its time you leave. [21:31] well you cant know the future [21:31] you are not man from the future who knows everything itn he world that will happen [21:32] attitude is everything. [21:32] smallfoot-: Yet we still have weather forecasters, and statisticians who predict, or analyze to make decisions. [21:33] yeah but you are not weather scientist men [21:34] look you must unban from #ubuntu+1, so i can report all broken stuffs, so they can fix it [21:34] also tey must help me so my ubuntu works good, cuz now rhythmbox is broken music, icant listen [21:34] smallfoot-: #ubuntu+1 isn't for 'reporting broken stuff' [21:35] "must help me" ? [21:36] I think there's a language issue with the verb "must" [21:37] Either that, or he's writing an ISO standard. [21:37] he's 11 years old [21:37] or somewhere in that range [21:38] smallfoot is the name of one of the child dinosaurs in one of those animated kids movies [21:38] nalioth: no, that's littlefoot. [21:38] meeting in -meeting ? [21:38] * PriceChild informs smallfoot- about paid support options, then runs from mneptok [21:38] yeah. His biggest problem is he's missing the point re: why he's banned (and subsequently, why he ought to be unbanned) [21:38] Tm_T: what kind of meeting? [21:38] @now UTC [21:38] nalioth: Current time in Etc/UTC: August 02 2008, 20:38:54 - Next meeting: Mozilla Team in 21 hours 21 minutes [21:40] what kind of meeting? [21:41] supposed to be a -marketing meeting in 20 minutes, looks like someone dropped the ball on that one. [21:41] is the meeting here or -meeting? [21:41] or... [21:41] Myrtti: which meeting? [21:41] is the topic still [21:41] borked? [21:41] FIX THE TOPIC DAMNIT [21:41] Myrtti: oh, that looks to be old [21:41] looks fine to me? which topic? [21:41] .... [21:41] * Myrtti larts PriceChild [21:42] ahhh [21:42] PriceChild: last eight letters of our topic [21:42] PriceChild: GODDAMNIT [21:42] Myrtti: :( [21:42] * Myrtti larts nalioth [21:42] damned you fools [21:42] me and Tm_T were desperately looking for net connectivity and power here [21:43] CHANGE THE DAMNED TOPIC [21:43] MEH [21:43] hrrrr === PriceChild changed the topic of #ubuntu-ops to: Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | LoCo channel discussion etc. to #ubuntu-irc | We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel | Channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [21:43] I wasn't there [21:43] atleast found good seats :p [21:43] * PriceChild checks to see if elky responded to latest meeting poke [21:43] so it's yours to change :-< [21:43] Tuesday is the next CC meeting [21:43] meh. [21:44] well yeah. [21:44] we found good seats [21:45] Where are you guys? [21:46] assembly [21:46] demoscene / LANfest [21:47] 5000+ attenders [21:47] http://alive.assembly.org/ [21:47] In ubottu, crashsystems said: !foo is bar [21:49] ahhh cool :) [21:49] http://www.assemblytv.net/2008/broadcast.php.fi?br=512 [21:49] short film compo is going atm [21:50] great ones indeed [21:53] * jpds watches smallfoot- /join several channels, and start asking for stuff. [21:54] jpds: Where elsebesides -motu? [21:54] Flannel: ##linux. [21:54] ah [21:54] hrr [21:57] amazing... [21:58] Tm_T: Relax, I'm watching all. Just have fun at Assembly :) [21:58] jpds: I'm talking about compo (:) [21:58] Tm_T: ahh. [22:01] 64K intro startin! [22:04]