[00:01] <JontheEchidna> Need a sponsor for bug 254306
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: any reading material for MIRs?
[00:03] <crimsun> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements)
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: thanks
[00:07] <crimsun> np.
[00:19]  * JontheEchidna reboots
[01:48] <jjesse> james_w: solved my issue, i was missing a repository
[01:48] <jjesse> james_w: http://packman.links2linux.org/package/bzr/61896 had the package which worked
[01:49] <james_w> rockin'
[01:50] <james_w> glad it's working now
[01:50] <jjesse> thanks for the help
[01:50] <jjesse> its a bit frustrating learning a new distribution and a new way of oding thigns
[01:50] <james_w> #bzr is a good place to find help if you need it in future, or just ping me
[01:50] <james_w> yeah
[01:50] <jjesse> james_w: will do
[01:50] <ScottK> jjesse: Good luck.  I came to Ubuntu from opensuse for what still seem like good reasons.
[01:51] <jjesse> ScottK: will sled 10.2 is support for work and its my work laptop
[01:51] <jjesse> so figured i need to use/learn it
[01:51] <ScottK> Understand.
[01:52] <jjesse> brb
[01:56] <jjesse> back
[01:56] <jjesse> i much prefer kubuntu to suse so far
[01:56] <ScottK> Two of my 'musts' for a distro now are must use KDE and must use Debian package management.
[01:57] <jjesse> so far i'm echoing your musts
[01:57] <jjesse> just wish work supported debian/ubuntu
[01:58] <ScottK> Another one is must be the product that the sponsor views as it's product.  sled passes that test, but opensuse fails.
[01:59] <jjesse> ah that is interesting
[02:00] <ScottK> I tried opensuse right as 10.1 was released.
[02:00] <jjesse> i've tried opensuse before as well
[02:00] <ScottK> In 10.1 they completely changed out the update technology with no fallback after beta.
[02:00] <jjesse> didn't really enjoy it
[02:01] <ScottK> Much of the feedback for SuSE amounted to,
[02:02] <ScottK> "It's opensuse, if you want it to work, use SLES (or SLED, not sure I know the difference).
[02:02] <jjesse> i think sles is the server and sled is the desktop
[02:03] <ScottK> Ah.  Makes sense.
[02:03] <ScottK> Anyway, that pretty well soured me on situations like opensuse-SLED/S or Fedora-Red Hat.
[02:06] <ScottK> The final major requirement I had was must be able to run servers and desktop with the same core platform underneath.
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> can anybody sponsor bug 254306?
[02:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i'll take a look-see
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> vorian: thanks
[02:18] <vorian> it's too bad plasma is broken
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> eh?
[02:19] <vorian> half of my plasmoids don't work
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> they probably just need a rebuild
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> binary compat was broken pretty consistently throughou the prerelease cycle
[02:19] <vorian> uploded, thanks for your contribution :)
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> kewl, thanks
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> ok
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> wtf
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> konq-plugins are still pending
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> in the ppa
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> It's been in queue for 4 hours :(
[02:23] <vorian> no good
[02:24] <vorian> holy fail
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> wow, plasmoid-quickaccess sorta failed on everything except i386
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> and hppa and amd64 which haven't built yet
[02:28] <jjesse> wow the ubuntu training documentation branch is freakin huge to checkout
[02:28] <jjesse> should've done a lightwieght checkout
[02:36] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:37] <jjesse> i think they have pdfs in there not sure
[02:37]  * ScottK is back.
[02:37] <ScottK> So, anyway, at the time I picked Kubuntu/Ubuntu Server, I needed Postfix at least 2.2 also.
[02:37] <ScottK> Debian Sarge had 2.1.
[02:38] <jjesse> ah
[02:38] <ScottK> So from my earlier requirements, it was down to Debian and Ubuntu.
[02:38] <ScottK> So here I am.
[02:38] <ScottK> Currently I need Postfix at least 2.4 and Etch has 2.3, but Lenny has 2.5.
[02:38] <jjesse> the ubuntu community is the only community i've easily been able to contribute to
[02:39] <ScottK> I definitely wouldn't be so involved in the development community if I'd gone with Debian.
[02:39] <ScottK> Ironically, I'm probably more involved in Debian development as a result of using Ubuntu than I would have been if I'd used Debian.
[02:40] <jjesse> but doesn't ubuntu never give back to debian :) :)
[02:40] <jjesse> i don't code or want to and ubuntu has been the only way through documentation that i've been "accepted" as a developer
[02:40] <ScottK> That is much harder in Debian than here.
[02:41] <jjesse> its harder in kde as well
[02:41] <jjesse> kde-docs is hard to break into
[02:41] <jjesse> lots of hoops to jump through
[02:43] <ScottK> Given the woeful state of most open source project's documentation, it seems odd they aren't jumping for joy at help.
[02:43] <jjesse> you would be suprised wouldn't you?
[02:43] <jjesse> at times the people who are "in charge" of kde-docs aren't very responsive, then the kde devs are even slower to respond to documenters
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> nightly-night
[11:14] <mgk> hi everyone
[11:15] <mgk> i'm running intrepid
[11:15] <mgk> updated today
[11:15] <mgk> and plasma has some problem
[11:17] <mgk> the systray doesn't show anymore
[11:17] <mgk> and the folderview plasmoid is gone too
[11:20] <mgk> is there any kubuntu devel here that can help me find the bug?
[11:38] <mornfall> I have two relatively easy Adept jobs, if anyone is up to them: I am releasing alpha 6 next week, and it would be great if someone could start sweeping the launchpad bug list for adept and mark all you can find that are fixed by that alpha6. Second, a hardy backport would be great.
[11:39] <mornfall> (I'll probably mention that in a release not, too, unless there's a crowd fighting to get the jobs... *g*)
[11:39] <mornfall> release note*
[11:41] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Could I please have your name, btw?
[11:42] <Jucato> Jon the Echidna ;)
[11:42] <Jucato> mornfall: Jonathan Thomas (based on Planet Ubuntu)
[11:42] <mornfall> Jucato: Aye, thanks.
[11:42] <Jucato> but "the Echidna" sounds so much better :P
[11:44] <mornfall> I have decided, in a movement to popularize contributions, to add a "heroes of <previous alpha release>" section to release announcements.
[11:45] <Jucato> "Save the cheerleader, save the world"
[12:02] <Arby> mornfall: I might be able to do a hardy backport in the next few days.
[12:02] <Arby> how soon do you need it
[12:02] <Arby> ?
[12:12] <JontheEchidna> good morning
[12:14] <Arby> morning JontheEchidna
[12:16] <JontheEchidna> mrgh, my connection's like.... slow
[12:16] <JontheEchidna> brb, resetting router
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> You know
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> we could probably set a bugday aside for adept
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: ^ what do you think?
[12:25] <Dekans> could it be possible to have an alternative package for kopete with libjingle support ?
[12:26] <Arby> mornfall: I have to go out for a while.
[12:27] <Arby> If you want a backport doing leave me a /query where I can grab the source
[12:27] <Arby> and if we have intrepid packages available that I can crib from
[12:27]  * Arby -> gone
[12:29] <JontheEchidna> Arby: check out his ppa
[12:30] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I have left him a privmsg. : - )
[12:31] <JontheEchidna> ah :)
[12:31] <mornfall> (I just got back...)
[12:32] <mornfall> Oh damn, it's this late already? Weeh. :)
[12:32] <vorian> morning :)
[12:32] <mornfall> Half past 1 am.
[12:42] <mornfall> Err.
[12:42] <mornfall> Pm of course.
[12:42] <mornfall> You can see I'm still asleep. : - ]
[12:42] <vorian> hehe, i was going to say ...
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> by the way, I'm going on a 2-day camping trip today
[13:52] <Nightrose> have fun JontheEchidna :)
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> thx
[13:54] <Jucato> have fun JontheEchidna :)
[13:54] <Jucato> I hope no internet? :)
[14:23] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: last I checked (last time we had a hug day for it) adept bugs were in pretty good shape
[14:25] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: that is, we pointed all of them at the one that says "adept does not show the problem" ;)
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: for the adept 3.0 transition
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> e.g. bugs not found in adept 3.0 -> resolved
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Jucato: I'll be without internets
[14:27] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: if there are more than a couple dozen to take care of, sure
[14:27] <yuriy> also, can't do it until it's in official repositories
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> ...oops
[14:30]  * JontheEchidna already resolved around a dozen bugs >.>
[14:31] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/adept/ look at the bug chart (sweet!) looks like they are all already looked at, just need to be closed when ready
[14:32] <yuriy> wait that's not right
[14:32] <yuriy> nevermind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/
[14:33]  * yuriy thought it's weird that he's never seen a bug chart for a package before. we should have them though
[14:34] <yuriy> looks like there are actually quite a few new bugs, so once its in backports we can have a hugday for it. unless you finish them all off first ^.^
[14:46]  * yuriy is off to the beach for the day
[15:19]  * smarter waves
[15:27] <mornfall> : - )
[15:54] <tomaz> Riddell: ping? i`m getting an cmake error after installing the kde4.1 on  8.04
[15:55] <tomaz> the error is "Could not find automoc, part of kdesupport" on FindAutomoc.cmake
[15:55] <tomaz> but i have automoc installed
[16:01] <tomaz> anyone?
[16:02] <Jucato> tomaz: most are probably taking a break on a weekend (and no, dunno the answer to that problem)
[16:02] <tomaz> *hits the head on the wall*
[16:02] <tomaz> I broke the system yesterday, reinstalled it today, give a try to the 4.1 precompiled packages
[16:03] <uga> tomaz: just in case, have you tried building the automoc from kdesupport trunk?
[16:03] <tomaz> but now I cant work on my little app for my university
[16:03] <tomaz> automoc --version gives 0.9.94
[16:04] <tomaz> but, no, I didn`t compiled them, I apt-get them.
[16:05] <uga> tomaz: automoc? or automoc4
[16:05] <uga>  automoc4 --version
[16:05] <uga> automoc4 0.9.85
[16:05] <uga> and I built it yesterday =)
[16:06] <tomaz> ups,.84 (and yeah, automoc4 )
[16:06] <uga> it may not be finding it in the path or require the newer version? not sure
[16:16] <tomaz> I`m gonna force automoc to be found l¬
[16:16] <tomaz> ¬¬
[16:16] <uga> heh
[16:18] <tomaz> hhhmmmm... I think i`v traced. I cant seem able to find Automoc4Config.cmake
[16:52] <tomaz> installed kde4-devel but still, same error applies.
[16:53] <desrt> Riddell; poke?
[16:53] <mornfall> Hm, Riddell is in a great demand, it seems... ;)
[16:54] <desrt> all the ladies want riddell
[16:54] <desrt> (and some of the guys)
[16:54] <tomaz> that`s for sure.
[16:54] <desrt> Riddell; thought you should look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/186729
[16:55] <tomaz> go behind the line folks, =p , i`m here first >_<
[16:55] <desrt> Riddell; seems like it would be pretty easy to fix and it affects an awful lot of people
[16:55] <desrt> (basically, anyone who installs then uninstalls kubuntu-desktop...)
[17:03] <tomaz> desrt: maybe you could help me with my problem? o.o
[17:03] <desrt> tomaz; anything is possible...
[17:04] <tomaz> desrt: I`m getting a `cant find automoc4` from FindAutomoc.cmake, but it`s installed.
[17:05] <desrt> they have autoMOC?  that's evil.
[17:05] <tomaz> I installed kde 4.1 from repositories, alongside with kde4-devel
[17:05] <tomaz> what`s evil?
[17:05] <desrt> tomaz; everytime i hear about a new auto* i cringe a bit :)
[17:05] <desrt> tomaz; anyway... i'm definitely not the one who will help you :)
[17:06] <desrt> sorry
[17:07] <tomaz> thanks anyway ;)
[17:53] <skreechmiester> Alpha3 doesn't work :-*
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> Be back Tuesday
[18:02]  * JontheEchidna disappears
[18:46] <skreechmiester> can anyone get Alpha3 to boot?
[19:44] <vorian> afternoon
[19:44] <skreechmiester> hey
[19:44] <vorian> whadup?
[19:46] <skreechmiester> Alpha 3 sucks :(
[19:46] <jussi01> gday vorian
[19:46] <skreechmiester> (YSMV)
[19:47] <jussi01> and skreechmiester
[19:47] <skreechmiester> hi jussi01
[19:47] <vorian> hiya jussi01
[19:47] <jussi01> :)
[19:49] <skreechmiester> anyone tried the alpha 3 Cd ?
[19:50] <vorian> skreechmiester: yeah, it killed my grub
[19:56] <skreechmiester> Wow
[19:56] <skreechmiester> you got that far?
[19:57] <vorian> yep
[19:58] <vorian> bug 251683 if you are interested
[19:58] <skreechmiester> Mine can't get past kernel init
[19:59] <vorian> which install choice are you using?
[19:59] <skreechmiester> as soon as I press enter at try Kubuntu without harming your computer it panics
[19:59] <skreechmiester> Same for Cd check
[19:59] <vorian> you should try tonight nightly build
[19:59] <skreechmiester> The MD5 sum checks out fine
[19:59] <skreechmiester> downloaded it a few times
[20:00] <skreechmiester> Booted from the ISO directly
[20:00] <skreechmiester> still panics
[20:02] <vorian> hmm
[20:03] <pgquiles> Is a Hardy KDE4 Remix with kde 4.1 going to be released?
[20:04] <vorian> pgquiles: only thru the ppa
[20:04] <vorian> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1
[20:05] <pgquiles> vorian: yeah, I've seen that but I meant a KDE4-only version
[20:05] <pgquiles> so, what's the best option, install KDE4 Remix, then upgrade to KDE 4.1?
[20:06] <vorian> that's the only way in hardy, unless you compile kde via svn
[20:15] <pgquiles> vorian: well, I could upgrade to kde 4.1 by installing hardy with kde 3.5, then upgrade to 4.1
[20:15] <skreechmiester> pgquiles: Yup Lots of discussion about that in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:25] <santiago-ve> Hey guys!
[21:29] <skreechmiester> yo
[21:30] <santiago-ve> first... anyone has seen any problems with adept on intrepid?
[21:30] <santiago-ve> also... why the rc3 doesnt has aptitude installed by default :S
[21:31] <skreechmiester> rc3 of what?
[21:32] <santiago-ve> kubuntu~
[21:34] <skreechmiester> We aren't even into beta
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> I guess we aren't leaving yet
[21:35]  * JontheEchidna is back for a bit
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> damn, another quickaccess update...
[23:06] <Riddell> evening
[23:07] <vorian> howdy Riddell :)
[23:29] <Riddell> fdoving: do you have an opinion on bug 186729 ?