[00:04] <RAOF> JontheEchidna: My PPA is certainly _my_ preferred way of getting nouveau.  The other option is to build from source.
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> well there's a dep that can't be satisfied
[00:05] <RAOF> JontheEchidna: You need to run module-assistant first.
[00:05] <RAOF> The nouveau wiki page describes the steps, but basically you need to run 'sudo m-a a-i drm-modules', and then nouveau will be installable.
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> cool
[00:08] <RAOF> When I have a lazy weekend I'll move nouveau to the dkms system, but this works for now.
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use."
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> I guess I'll have to wait for module-assistant to catch up to the latest kernel?
[00:11] <crimsun> dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> returns nothing^
[00:12] <RAOF> Strange.  I though module-assistant would pull in the headers if necessary.
[00:13] <RAOF> JontheEchidna: Anyway, installing the linux-headers package should fix that for you.
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> libdrm2 didn't get updated
[00:15]  * JontheEchidna dist-upgrades
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> It's looking for linux-headers-2.6.26-4-generic but I have linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic installed
[00:17] <CarlFK> i installed  linux...2.6.26-5-generic...deb (whatever the .deb name is) on my hardy box, which fixed my atherous wifi problem, but now I need to enable/install nvidia driver
[00:17] <RAOF> Are you _running_ 2.6.26-5?
[00:18] <CarlFK> yes :)
[00:18] <CarlFK> (gessing that was ment for someone else)
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> RAOF: now that you mention it...
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> no
[00:19]  * JontheEchidna never did reboot
[00:19] <RAOF> JontheEchidna: Well, that's going to make your 2.6.26-5-headers somewhat irrelevant :)
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> brb
[00:24] <CarlFK> shouldn't there be a modules...26 in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> That's better
[00:28] <CarlFK> when I boot 26.5, it 'stops' 5 or 6 times, and it seems I have to hit either scroll lock or the power button to get it to continue
[00:29] <dooley> add Songbird, Flock and iFolder to repository please
[00:33] <dooley> compiz does not load at startup
[00:36] <dooley> compiz only uses 2 virtual desktop, even if i try change number
[00:36] <Flannel> dooley: ban evasion is a bad thing
[00:36] <dooley> i rebooted to windows, and now i can enter the channel
[00:36] <Flannel> dooley: join #ubuntu-ops
[00:36] <dooley> im still banned when i use ubuntu
[00:36] <dooley> oh
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> RAOF: now it's just a matter of installing the driver and changing nv to nouveau in xorg.conf?
[00:37] <RAOF> JontheEchidna: Correct.
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> cool
[00:37] <RAOF> If you're at all interested in dual-head, you'll also want to browse the !xrandr documentation.
[00:39] <dooley> ok Flannel has forced me to leave this channel, im good boy, im not bad, but he told me i must leave, so bye
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> It works
[00:44] <RAOF> Woot!
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> Pretty cool
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> well, KWin effects work in XRender mode :P
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> ...slowly :P
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> well some of the less intensive effects work nice
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> at least I get the benefits of a composited desktop even without effects
[00:53] <RAOF> What card do you have?  I found kwin to be reasonably snappy.
[00:53] <RAOF> So much so that I'm a annoyed that it doesn't appear to work in GNOME.
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> GeForce 4 MX 440
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> OpenGL effects didn't work out to well with nouveau
[00:55] <RAOF> Well, yes.  There's no 3d acceleration :)
[00:56] <RAOF> Ah, I suppose a geforce2 GPU might be a little bit slower than this 7600go :)
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> oh man
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> I need a new computerrrr
[02:53] <yuriy> is java working for people in firefox on intrepid?
[02:55] <yuriy> I can't get it to work with either sun-java6 or icedtea
[02:57] <nhaines> I'm having some trouble with Jockey.  Seems it doesn't see the Radeon XPRESS 200M in my laptop on intrepid.  Before, it would install an fglrx-source package and X would crash.
[03:13] <arpu> hello
[03:14] <arpu> can somebody help me with sound alsa works fine but pulseaudio soundserver does not work
[03:14] <arpu>  ups
[05:11] <telexicon> anyone else seeing really slow performance with intrepid?
[05:15] <nhaines> Nothing I've really noticed, but I don't use it often, and only on the laptop.
[05:22] <crimsun> telexicon: can you qualify "really slow performance"?
[05:23] <crimsun> telexicon: i.e., video? i/o? etc.
[05:23] <RAOF> ls
[05:23] <RAOF> :(
[05:24] <telexicon> Xorg video performance, repainting is much choppier (its never been smooth but now its worse), video is choppy, flash videos are extremely choppy, especially full screen, disk I/O causes most applications to hang and slow down
[05:24] <telexicon> switching windows in gnome causes audio and video to skip
[05:25] <crimsun> telexicon: which kernel are you using?
[05:26] <crimsun> cat /proc/version_signature
[05:26] <telexicon> theres another example, if i open a new tab in gnome-terminal, its about 5-10 seconds before the shell starts
[05:26] <telexicon> Ubuntu 2.6.26-4.11-generic
[05:27] <crimsun> telexicon: there's a newer kernel.
[05:27] <crimsun> linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic | 2.6.26-5.13 |      intrepid | amd64, i386
[05:27] <telexicon> yea im installing that
[05:27] <telexicon> did they change the scheduler again?
[05:27] <crimsun> no?
[05:28] <telexicon> k
[05:28] <crimsun> make sure you install the corresponding l-r-m if you need it, too.
[05:28] <crimsun> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.26-5-generic | 2.6.26-5.11 | intrepid/restricted | amd64, i386
[05:29] <telexicon> cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
[05:29] <telexicon> 0
[07:03] <C0nn0r> sup
[07:04] <C0nn0r> So how is everyone ?
[07:09] <C0nn0R> ...
[07:12] <nhaines> Welcome back.
[07:12] <C0nn0R> Sup. New to irrsi.
[07:12] <C0nn0R> >_< Complex abit, but within time will learn.
[07:12] <C0nn0R> So how is everyone ?
[07:13] <nhaines> irssi is nice once you get used to it.  Especially combined with 'screen', but let's not get ahead of ourselves.  :)
[07:13] <C0nn0R> yeah.
[07:13] <nhaines> I'm doing fine tonight.  How are you?
[07:13] <C0nn0R> Good, just hanging out. A friend said this was a good program and checking it out.
[07:13] <C0nn0R> So far, so good :)
[07:14] <nhaines> Which, irssi?  Or Ubuntu?  :)
[07:15] <C0nn0R> Both.
[07:16] <C0nn0R> So far, it really has beaten the windows propaganda out of me. And realized the world of open source.
[07:16] <nhaines> Neither is too bad, although I don't recommend intrepid as a first time experience.  :)
[07:16] <nhaines> Oh, Free Software is really nice.  In fact, it can even make Windows quite usable.  :)
[07:16] <C0nn0R> Yeah.
[07:17] <C0nn0R> I wish Ballmer wasen't so gung-ho on everyone running Vista, instead improving there current versions of Windows.
[07:18] <nhaines> You can't really "improve" a current version of Windows, because too many companies rely on consistant behavior for the product.
[07:18] <nhaines> I don't blame them for wanting to retire XP.  I just wish they had a decent OS to transition to.
[07:19] <C0nn0R> Yeah, do you think Microsoft could be taken down with Linux gainin enough power ?
[07:19] <C0nn0R> Instead of bloated software with not the greatist security ?
[07:20] <nhaines> I think Free Software is the future, but I don't imagine it is going to be very rapid.  :)
[07:21] <C0nn0R> Yeah, the home computer took years to be produced to everyone.
[07:22] <nhaines> After the excitement wore off (a little), I realized it doesn't really matter what Microsoft does anymore.  Because Linux is still here, and it's still better.
[07:22] <nhaines> And between OpenOffice.org and Firefox and all the other little things, it's going to slowly chip away at the myth that only proprietary software is useful.
[07:22] <C0nn0R> Improving security, better drivers, more support. Justs get better and better :)
[07:22] <stefanlsd> Would anyone have an idea why i cant login to my intrepid anymore with gdm?  Only kinda related thing i see in messages is - Unable to locate theme engine in module_path "ubuntulooks"
[07:24] <C0nn0R> hmmm... not sure, the only GUI error is when I tryed to update alsa and X didn't like the new drivers.
[07:24] <nhaines> stefanlsd: well, sounds like the ubuntulooks theme isn't valid anymore.  See if you can login with a failsafe session and change your theme.  Use the options menu.
[07:25] <stefanlsd> nhaines: good idea - thanks, will try that
[07:25] <C0nn0R> naines: Have you had flash crashing with just not loading at random times ?
[07:25] <stefanlsd> nhaines: also discovered gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks wasnt installed
[07:25] <C0nn0R> nhaines*
[07:26] <nhaines> stefanlsd: that'll do it.  :)
[07:26] <nhaines> C0nn0R: A lot less than it used to, but occasionally it crashes.
[07:26] <C0nn0R> Yeah, >_< annoying at times.
[07:27] <C0nn0R> Why was Pulse introduced into Hardy even though it causes conflicts ?
[07:27] <stefanlsd> nhaines: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0.  Warning: Couldnt authenticate user. hehe  :)
[07:28] <nhaines> C0nn0R: it's complicated, but the problem is definitely with Flash, not with pulseaudio per se.
[07:28] <nhaines> stefanlsd: Hm, that's no good.  :)  Can you use the commandline to install gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks?
[07:28] <C0nn0R> Oh, so it is just Adobe issue then. I wonder if the stable version of Flash 10 will fix this.
[07:28] <stefanlsd> nhaines: may be related to graphics card drivers. let me see if i can change it.  (yeah, thats what i did to get past that error onto this error)
[07:28] <nhaines> C0nn0R: Besides, pulseaudio will continue to be better integrated.  It's really nice, too.  Just like Vista, it lets you do application-specific volume levels.
[07:30] <C0nn0R> Yeah, maybe it is just pulseaudio wanting to have conflicts with rhythmbox, flash. Hopefully it will be better within later versions of Ubuntu.
[07:31] <nhaines> C0nn0R: I actually have zero sound problems other than occasional Flash issues.
[07:31] <C0nn0R> Weird, with pulse enabled on my machine, rhythmbox would not play while flash was running.
[07:32] <nhaines> Well, that would be a Flash issue again.  :)
[07:33] <C0nn0R> Oh. :( I wish they would release the flash player source, so we could fix the bugs and make it 10 times better. :)
[07:33] <C0nn0R> Maybe one day.
[07:34] <nhaines> Adobe doesn't care, unfortunately. :)  Although they have been getting better!
[07:34] <C0nn0R> Yeah, that is true, Was it the demaned for flash on linux that adobe had to produce a version for us ?
[07:35] <nhaines> No, they sort of had an old version but it was always out of date.  It might have been demand that they decided to improve their timings.
[08:23] <KINGABAN> hi
[08:23] <nhaines> I do research hi
[08:23] <nhaines> oops.
[08:23] <nhaines> Just hi.  :)
[08:23] <KINGABAN> can u help me?
[08:23] <KINGABAN> cause im kinda new here in ubuntu
[08:23] <KINGABAN> linux
[08:23] <KINGABAN> how can i use my yahoo messenger here?
[08:24] <KINGABAN> actually i already install it but
[08:24] <KINGABAN> i cant connect
[08:24] <KINGABAN> whats my problem with my ym>?
[08:24] <KINGABAN> whats my problem with my ym?
[08:24] <nhaines> You should probably use Pidgin to connect to Yahoo Messenger.
[08:24] <KINGABAN> but how can i use the real yahoo messenger i just installed?
[08:24] <KINGABAN> is there anything i can do about it
[08:25] <KINGABAN> ??
[08:25] <KINGABAN> any one?
[08:25] <telexicon> um
[08:25] <telexicon> i dont think there is a current version of the 'real' yahoo messenger for linux
[08:26] <telexicon> or are you saying you installed it under wine?
[08:26] <nhaines> For that you will have to contact Yahoo, but this channel is about the development version of Ubuntu.
[08:26] <telexicon> KINGABAN, does pidgin not do what you want?
[08:26] <KINGABAN> yes i did install it under wine
[08:26] <KINGABAN> but i want to use the real yahoo messenger
[08:26] <KINGABAN> can i do that?
[08:27] <telexicon> apparently you can, since you already installed it
[08:27] <KINGABAN> (o^_^o) any one?
[08:27] <KINGABAN> yes?
[08:27] <KINGABAN> how?
[08:27] <telexicon> um
[08:27] <KINGABAN> but i can't login on my ym
[08:27] <telexicon> no, it appears you can't login
[08:28] <KINGABAN> yes
[08:28] <telexicon> logging in doesn't work under wine
[08:28] <KINGABAN> ic
[08:28] <telexicon> whats wrong with pidgin?
[08:28] <KINGABAN> how come my friend
[08:28] <telexicon> i dont understand
[08:28] <KINGABAN> the graphics is not like the real one
[08:28] <telexicon> which 'real' one?
[08:28] <telexicon> yahoo messenger looks completely different in each version
[08:29] <telexicon> pidgin can list your yahoo contacts and let you instant message them
[08:29] <nhaines> Plus, using Pidgin you can connect with all your friends no matter if they use YM or not, and it all looks the same to you.
[08:29] <nhaines> It makes things simpler that way.
[08:29] <telexicon> yes thats true
[08:29] <KINGABAN> ic
[08:29] <nhaines> (For this reason I used Trillian on Windows before using Pidgin on Linux.)
[08:29] <KINGABAN> one more
[08:29] <telexicon> KINGABAN, pidgin can connect to yahoo, msn, aim, google talk, pretty much all of them, from the same client
[08:30] <KINGABAN> how can i install window game like counter strike in my ubuntu?
[08:30] <KINGABAN> can u help me?
[08:30] <KINGABAN> ??
[08:30] <telexicon> you're impatient
[08:31] <nhaines> Steam and Counter-Strike should just work under WINE if you have the right video card.
[08:31] <KINGABAN> thanks to all who answer my question in my ym
[08:31] <RAOF> And you're in the wrong channel, too :)
[08:31] <KINGABAN> ok
[08:31] <telexicon> i was going to answer that but then you threw '??' in
[08:31] <telexicon> so now im gonna be an ass
[08:31] <KINGABAN> sorry
[08:31] <RAOF> KINGABAN: #ubuntu is the correct channel for Ubuntu support.
[08:31] <nhaines> telexicon: it's better to be patient.  IRC is not like instant messaging that KINGABAN is used to.
[08:32] <RAOF> KINGABAN: You also probably want to check out ubuntuforums.org
[08:32] <telexicon> nhaines, i suppose, but were also in the special development channel
[08:32] <KINGABAN> ic, thanks for the infos
[08:32] <telexicon> we're
[08:33] <RAOF> KINGABAN: Your questions will undoubtedly have been asked and almost certainly answered before; try searching ubuntuforums first, then google, then come to #ubuntu or start an ubuntuforums thread.
[08:33] <telexicon> oh i see
[08:33] <telexicon> KINGABAN, its no problem
[08:33] <KINGABAN> bye everyone thanks again
[08:33] <telexicon> KINGABAN, i just dont know that much about counter strike
[08:33] <telexicon> KINGABAN, but i have installed portal on wine in the past
[08:33] <KINGABAN> bye...God Bless!!!
[08:33] <telexicon> and it worked pretty well
[08:33] <nhaines> telexicon: that is true, too, I'm not sure how he got here but it's best to be gentle there as well.  :)
[08:33] <nhaines> KINGABAN: good luck!
[08:33] <telexicon> KINGABAN, bye, have fun
[08:33] <KINGABAN> thanks...
[08:34] <nhaines> I need to see if Portal runs any better now that WINE 1.0 is out.
[08:34] <telexicon> nhaines, yes, thats true
[08:34] <telexicon> heh, i always run the latest dev version of wine
[08:34] <telexicon> just like i usually run the alpha/beta versions of ubuntu.. i always want the latest features
[08:35] <nhaines> I do too, but I haven't played Portal in a while.  :)
[08:35] <nhaines> dev version of Ubuntu usually goes on my laptop about the last alpha or the beta.  But it's there now because I thought I was giving a presentation on intrepid in two weeks.
[08:36] <telexicon> im not really sure what to do about the bugs though
[08:37] <telexicon> some of the bugs have been around a really long time
[08:37] <nhaines> Oh!  Report them.  :)
[08:37] <telexicon> theres a few in GTK+ that have been annoying for a long time
[08:37] <nhaines> Or better yet, get yourself to a Global Bug Jam event.  Then you'll learn how to triage them.
[08:38] <telexicon> i was really happy a few generations back when they finally fixed the window list applet
[08:39] <nhaines> What was wrong with it?
[08:40] <telexicon> oh it used to be goofy, all the window blocks would stretch to really strange sizes
[08:40] <crdlb> what kind of bugs do you see in gtk+ ?
[08:40] <telexicon> like if you had a bunch of windows open and then closed most of them, then they'd stay really small
[08:40] <telexicon> instead of stretching to a comfortable size
[08:40] <telexicon> but now thats fixed
[08:40] <telexicon> um bugs in GTK+ .. well
[08:41] <crdlb> yeah, the old window list was really bad; it would resize constantly and arbitrarily
[08:41] <telexicon> file picker has this bug where if you open something from a dir, and then if you go to open something again, you have to go up a directory and then back to let you select it
[08:41] <telexicon> otherwise when you click open nothing happens
[08:41] <telexicon> i notice it most in deluge
[08:41] <gnomefreak> telexicon: try it with compiz disabled
[08:41] <telexicon> because i download my torrents to all the same place
[08:41] <telexicon> i dont use compiz
[08:41] <crdlb> err?
[08:41] <crdlb> how on earth could compiz do that? :)
[08:42] <nhaines> heh
[08:42] <telexicon> not sure, since its a window manager
[08:42] <crdlb> I think I've seen that with file-roller
[08:42] <telexicon> and this is a widgets thing
[08:42] <telexicon> but i did notice a bug in compiz a while back
[08:42] <gnomefreak> crdlb: it is something that should be checked since compiz draws windows
[08:42] <telexicon> i notice it most in firefox
[08:42] <telexicon> without compiz, if i have my mouse cursor as far left as possible, i can still scroll
[08:43] <telexicon> but if compiz is enabled, i cant scroll
[08:43] <telexicon> i think i notice that because thats where i put my mouse to keep it out of the way
[08:43] <crdlb> gnomefreak: but it hardly affects control flow in the apps themselves :) (I guess it could to a small extent but only due to gtk acting differently in response to it)
[08:43] <telexicon> another bug, which i noticed most in the ubuntu installer
[08:44] <telexicon> was if you click next, and then try to click next again without moving the mouse.. you cant, you have to move the mouse out of the button area and back in, then you can click it
[08:44] <crdlb>  heh
[08:44] <nhaines> I mostly notice that in Synaptic.
[08:44] <nhaines> That's been around for ages.
[08:44] <telexicon> but i heard they fixed that recently.. i think it was on reddit or slashdot.. that it was a 7 year old bug
[08:44] <gnomefreak> telexicon: that needs to be filed as a bug (anything with installer)
[08:44] <nhaines> At least 40 years now.
[08:44] <crdlb> that sounds like that bug which was just fixed?
[08:44] <telexicon> yes
[08:44] <telexicon> so im looking forward to that
[08:44] <nhaines> Link?  :)
[08:45] <telexicon> nhaines, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56070
[08:46] <gnomefreak> telexicon: slashdot if you mean firefox bug and yes it was fixed in final release
[08:46] <gnomefreak> ah gtk bug
[08:46] <telexicon> gnomefreak, which firefox bug? the scrolling bug with compiz?
[08:46] <gnomefreak> telexicon: scrolling without compiz. im not sure they can fix with compiz
[08:46] <telexicon> it works fine without compiz
[08:46] <nhaines> telexicon: thank you very much!
[08:46] <gnomefreak> telexicon: they can but maybe in 3.1
[08:47] <gnomefreak> telexicon: it didnt for a long time but was fixed in final
[08:47] <telexicon> you referring to smooth scrolling?
[08:47] <gnomefreak> telexicon: there were a few scrolling bugs in firefox maybe 5 or 6
[08:47] <telexicon> oh
[08:47] <gnomefreak> smooth scrolling was the biggest or widest range of users
[08:48] <telexicon> it just seems like compiz adds a 1px border around the window that metacity doesnt, so when the mouse is all the way at the edge of the window, scrolling doesnt work
[08:48]  * gnomefreak wonders how red would look
[08:49] <telexicon> ah yes
[08:49] <telexicon> theres a bug in metacity now (i think).. that wasnt there in gutsy.. i dont remember if it was in hardy or not
[08:50] <telexicon> which looks like it may have gotten fixed :)
[08:50] <telexicon> now that i just updated
[08:50] <telexicon> it was, if you pinned a window on top, new dialogs and windows would get put beneath all the other windows
[08:50] <telexicon> instead of just beneath pinned windows
[09:27] <cypherdelic> My Keyboard Shortcuts still doesnt work since upgraded to Ibex, any ideas?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: file a bug report. BTW upgrading to a development version of ubuntu doesnt fix things once it is released or in bate things get fixed, but this early things are going to break and be broken.
[10:13] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: from the question you are asking it is relavent that you maybe should think about installing Hardy until Intrepid beta releases
[10:20] <gnomefreak> oh yeah the problem is known about please search bug reports to find yours if you cant find it file one. cypherdelic You should always file a bug report if you see a problem
[10:26] <telexicon> no i think that bug isnt fixed
[10:27] <telexicon> if i pin something on top, then open gedit
[10:27] <telexicon> it gets put beneath all the windows, and flashes in the window list
[10:37] <gnomefreak> telexicon: its not its fairly new bug
[10:37] <telexicon> gnomefreak, yes.. its new
[10:37] <gnomefreak> telexicon: the shortcut bug?
[10:37] <telexicon> no
[10:38] <telexicon> the pin on top bug
[10:38] <gnomefreak> oh your bug
[10:38] <gnomefreak> yes fairly new
[10:39]  * gnomefreak gone for a while, while tbird builds
[10:43] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: thanks for that information i will do so in time
[11:11] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/254387
[11:11] <cypherdelic> so here is that with the mediakeys
[17:21] <stefanlsd> firefox is pretty unstable these days
[17:47] <shirish> hi all, does anyone which would be the best place to ask about the mountdevsubfs.sh script which is in 8.10
[18:04] <cypherdelic> Was anyone able to compile MMS on current Ibex using nvidia-glx-177?? I cant compile with OpenGL enabled, script tells me to install opengl X)
[18:04] <cypherdelic> Any ideas?
[18:07] <cypherdelic> compiz runs grat with direct rendering enables and glxinfo dr YES, i installed some opengl devs but still the script tells me to install opengl
[18:07] <cypherdelic> on previosly updated hardy with same packages that script says open gl: test OK
[18:08] <cypherdelic> somethings wrong
[18:09] <cypherdelic> is that worth a bug file, can anyone proof a different software to ./configure with opengl output?
[18:09] <crdlb> you probably want the -dev package?
[18:10] <cypherdelic> i dont know wich one there are hundreds of opengl devs
[18:10] <crdlb> there's only one for nvidia
[18:10] <crdlb> the driver name + "-dev" :)
[18:10] <cypherdelic> crdbl that thing worked opengltest: OK with same packages installalled on hardy
[18:11] <crdlb> and intrepid uses different nvidia packages
[18:11] <cypherdelic> crdbl: maybe i need to configure devs path manually in ./configre but i have no idea which one it wants
[18:11] <crdlb> the naming scheme is new
[18:11] <crdlb> did you install the -dev package?
[18:11] <cypherdelic> oh ok
[18:11] <cypherdelic> wait
[18:12] <cypherdelic> not yet :D
[18:12] <cypherdelic> thx
[18:13] <cypherdelic> crdlb: but still the same message
[18:14] <crdlb> you installed nvidia-glx-177-dev ?
[18:14] <cypherdelic> exactly and rerun ./configre --enable opengl result: opengl test failed, please install opengl
[18:15] <crdlb> nothing more verbose?
[18:15] <crdlb> what exactly is this that you're installing?
[18:15] <cypherdelic> exactly it is: Checking for openGL Error: Please install opengl!
[18:15] <cypherdelic> MMS 1.1.0 rc7
[18:15] <cypherdelic> that test has passed on hardy
[18:16] <cypherdelic> ill file a bug :)
[18:17] <crdlb> you could do a bit more research
[18:23] <crdlb> heh interesting way of testing for opengl
[18:24] <cypherdelic> you mean the configure-script file of mms, well?
[18:24] <crdlb> yes
[18:24] <cypherdelic> i dont kknow the standard way of doing this
[18:24] <crdlb> it compiles a small C program using opengl, then bases its decision on the return code of gcc
[18:24] <cypherdelic> so this is a mms related prob for ibex?
[18:24] <cypherdelic> hm ok
[18:25] <crdlb> it could just be that you're missing something else which is preventing that from building
[18:25] <cypherdelic> hm ok:D
[18:25] <crdlb> they put a > /dev/null 2>&1 on the end
[18:25] <crdlb> which wasn't very smart
[18:25] <cypherdelic> could be anything right?
[18:25] <crdlb> you'll have to replicate the test manually
[18:26] <cypherdelic> sry i have no idea of that coding
[18:26] <crdlb> open the configure script in a text editor and find opengl_check
[18:26] <cypherdelic> ok wait
[18:27] <cypherdelic> right im there
[18:27] <crdlb> save those three lines (from EOF to EOF, excluding them) in a file called test.c
[18:28] <cypherdelic> did it
[18:28] <crdlb> in that same directory, run: gcc -o test.o test.c -lGL
[18:28] <cypherdelic> should i remove the lines from the old scrpt?
[18:28] <crdlb> eh?
[18:29] <cypherdelic>  save those three lines (from EOF to EOF, excluding them) in a file called test.c
[18:29] <cypherdelic> do i have to modify configure??
[18:29] <crdlb> no
[18:29] <cypherdelic> k
[18:29] <crdlb> just copy them
[18:30] <cypherdelic> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[18:30] <cypherdelic> aaah thats my fiel i need?
[18:30] <cypherdelic> no
[18:30] <cypherdelic> x)
[18:33] <cypherdelic> crdlb: that gcc line dosnt work
[18:35] <crdlb> cypherdelic: you mean on your system or in general?
[18:35] <cypherdelic> i dont know i just tried that comman you told my but that didnt compiled test.c
[18:36] <cypherdelic> im on ibex sytem
[18:36] <crdlb> yes, that error there kind makes that expected :)
[18:36] <cypherdelic> i didnt find any packages that could be relevant on synaptic search lGL
[18:38] <cypherdelic> cypher@HackFleisch:~/mms-1.1.0-rc7$ gcc -o test.o test.c
[18:38] <cypherdelic> /tmp/ccKaogRg.o: In function `main':
[18:38] <cypherdelic> test.c:(.text+0x19): undefined reference to `glViewport'
[18:40] <crdlb> why did you remove the lGL ?
[18:48] <crdlb> cypherdelic: it definitely needs the -lGL; you can't just remove it :)
[18:49] <cypherdelic> crdlb: ok can you tell how to install them?
[18:49] <cypherdelic> please
[18:49] <crdlb> afaik, you did that with nvidia-glx-177-dev
[18:50] <cypherdelic> crdlb: so this is more detail about that ibex bug?
[18:50] <catweazle> cypherdelic: install mesa
[18:50] <cypherdelic> catweazle: is installed
[18:50] <crdlb> which probably means either you didn't actually install it or something is broken
[18:50] <cypherdelic> crdbwant a screener?
[18:50] <crdlb> mesa? nvidia has their own libgl
[18:51] <cypherdelic> crdlb: yes but i installed that libmesa*-dev stuff while trying to get this check passes properly
[18:52] <cypherdelic> and all mesa packages that dont need a uninstall of nvidia-glx-177 ;)
[18:53] <cypherdelic> hey i forget xlibmesa
[18:53] <cypherdelic> but still the same :(
[18:54] <crdlb> everything you need is in nvidia-177-glx and nvidia-glx-177-dev
[18:54] <crdlb> err nvidia-glx-177
[18:54] <crdlb> assuming nothing is broken
[18:55] <cypherdelic> so my bugfile is correct
[18:55] <cypherdelic> both are installed
[18:56] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/254444
[18:56] <crdlb> cypherdelic: pastebin: ls /usr/lib/libGL.*
[18:57] <crdlb> err, providing the reall error would be more useful :)
[18:57] <crdlb> (cannot find -lGL)
[18:58] <cypherdelic> two lines, really pastebin?
[18:58] <crdlb> was expecting more :)
[18:58] <cypherdelic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/33700/
[19:05] <skreechmiester> hiya
[19:05] <skreechmiester> can anyone boot the alpha 3 Cd ?
[19:07] <cypherdelic> crdlb: can please check my bugfile again and tell me if this looks better now?
[19:07] <skreechmiester> Mine kernel panics 3 seconds in
[19:24] <afflux> cyphase: the example you posted in the bug report compiles without issues for me
[19:24] <afflux> err
[19:24] <afflux> cypherdelic: see above
[19:25] <afflux> wait, it's using libgl1-mesa-dev
[19:26] <cypherdelic> i cant install that
[19:26] <cypherdelic> that requieres my to uninstall my nvidia-glx-177 driver
[19:26] <cyphase> cypherdelic: you really need to change your name ;)
[19:26] <afflux> yes right. I just installed nvidia-glx-177-dev
[19:26] <afflux> and it uninstalles libgl1-mesa-dev
[19:26] <cypherdelic> cyphase im so sry dude
[19:26] <cyphase> it's fine :)
[19:26] <cyphase> no big deal
[19:26] <skreechmiester> MD5 sum checks out fine
[19:28] <cyphase> something i don't get though.. which IRC client are people using that just uses the first name available. mine shows you the matching names and waits for more, e.g. i type cyph, TAB, and it shows me cyphase and cypherdelic
[19:28] <cyphase> instead of just choosing cyphase
[19:28] <cypherdelic> same does mine
[19:28] <skreechmiester> cyphase: Which client?
[19:28] <cyphase> skreechmiester: X-Chat
[19:28] <cypherdelic> gnome xchat
[19:29] <afflux> my xchat2 (not gnome one) does not
[19:29] <afflux> cypherdelic: my libGL.so is a broken link. /usr/lib/libGL.so -> /#usr/lib/libGL.so.177.13
[19:29] <cyphase> maybe that's it. i'm using xchat-gnome
[19:29] <skreechmiester> ah hmm Konversation does the same but almost all the other ones I've seen just complete the first one it finds then cycles
[19:29] <cypherdelic> im afflux so how do i fix that problem can you help me?
[19:30] <afflux> cypherdelic: you can probably work around it by using "sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/libGL.so.177.13 /usr/lib/libGL.so"
[19:31] <afflux> cypherdelic: I'm looking at the package right now to see where the broken link comes from
[19:31] <cypherdelic> yes thats it, thanks
[19:31] <cypherdelic> ill post that in my bugfile
[19:31] <skreechmiester> anyone tried the alpha 3 CD?
[19:32] <afflux> cypherdelic: too late.
[19:34] <cypherdelic> afflux: :) whatever ;) please confirm bug
[19:34] <afflux> cypherdelic: did that already
[19:34] <cypherdelic> k thanks for that
[19:44] <afflux> cypherdelic: updated description, status and importance, thanks for your report.
[19:44] <afflux> I'm off for dinner
[19:49] <skreechmiester> Is the Daily CD usable?
[19:51] <TheInfinity> skreechmiester: what do you mean with "usable"? ;)
[19:56] <skreechmiester> TheInfinity: alpha 3 lasts all of 3 Seconds on all the machines I've tried it on
[19:56] <skreechmiester> It starts up I press Esc to bypass the language I press enter and it kernel panics
[19:56] <skreechmiester> Doesn't even get as far as Init
[19:59] <skreechmiester> TheInfinity: getting at least to busybox I'd consider usable right now :)
[19:59] <nhaines> ha  :)
[20:00] <nhaines> Could you try some kernel parameters when you boot up?  I'm not sure if the desktop CD lists any.
[20:00] <skreechmiester> nhaines: didn't think it would be worth it as the kernel isn't even initalizing
[20:01] <nhaines> That's true.  Hrm.  I haven't tried the alpha 3 CD>
[20:01] <skreechmiester> fine forget it then would the current daily be better?
[20:30] <afflux> skreechmiester: are you using it on real hardware?
[20:31] <skreechmiester> afflux: real as well as virtual
[20:31] <skreechmiester> I think 4 real computers and one virtual
[20:31] <afflux> skreechmiester: oh okay. Virtualbox is a known issue, at least.
[20:34] <skreechmiester> afflux: is that going to be a problem throughout Intrepids cycle?
[20:35] <afflux> skreechmiester: it's bug 246067 and related to the 2.6.26 kernel series.
[20:37] <skreechmiester> afflux: blast time to install qemu :)
[20:46] <skreechmiester> afflux: No issues with qemu?
[20:48] <skreechmiester> PriceChild: Ha ha Nice sig
[20:52] <mbrigdan> wow, you guys have your own developer summit. In Prague. Thats sorta amazing
[21:08] <PriceChild> mbrigdan: there is one every 6 months, they've been all over the place.
[21:09] <mbrigdan> yeah, but I mean, its an operating system. Even microsoft does hold massive summits about its OS
[21:11] <skreechmiester> mbrigdan: I'm lost. Whats your point? :)
[21:12] <mbrigdan> nothing really, just amazement
[21:12] <mbrigdan> I'll shut up now
[21:12] <tretle> why is it taking so long to upgrade to nm0.7.0 for intrepid
[21:12] <tretle> it works?
[21:13] <skreechmiester> mbrigdan: Well when building something big with a limited time frame meetings are nice
[21:13] <afflux> skreechmiester: no idea, haven't tested that
[21:13] <skreechmiester> afflux: Apparently no one has
[21:14] <afflux> okay cool
[21:14] <mbrigdan> what do ubuntu developers actually do? Do they design packages, or do they recode the kernel and stuff?
[21:14] <skreechmiester> Or at least no one has and been suitable impressed or horribly thwarted enough to mention it on the intertubes
[21:15] <skreechmiester> mbrigdan: kindly ask a few thousand bits of software to play nicely
[21:15] <mbrigdan> ah
[21:15] <skreechmiester> As well as listen to problems with general usage and build bridges to cross pain points
[21:15] <mbrigdan> so everything they can to iron out bugs
[21:16] <mbrigdan> Isn't ubuntu a bit bigger than a few thousand bits?
[21:16] <skreechmiester> mbrigdan: It's not into a few million bits yet
[21:16] <skreechmiester> counting the technical spots probably not the users
[21:16] <mbrigdan> 700 megabytes = 5 872 025 600 bits
[21:17] <mbrigdan> isn't the install cd 700MB
[21:17] <mbrigdan> or so?
[21:18] <skreechmiester> that's the target
[21:18] <skreechmiester> mbrigdan: Clever I see waht you did there
[21:18] <mbrigdan> ?
[21:19] <mbrigdan> Using google calculator is not a crime
[21:19] <mbrigdan> :P
[21:19] <skreechmiester> A few thousand bits of software was intended to mean a few thousand applications and libraries
[21:20] <mbrigdan> ah
[21:21] <skreechmiester> a few hundred gigabytes which is a good deal of literal bits
[21:22] <mbrigdan> 100 gigabytes = 858 993 459 200 bits
[21:22] <mbrigdan> lots of bit!
[21:22] <mbrigdan> *bits
[21:22] <skreechmiester> Yeah Well that's what they do
[21:23] <mbrigdan> what is ubuntu primarily written in?
[21:23] <skreechmiester> Objective C I think
[21:27] <mbrigdan> cool
[21:28] <mbrigdan> I think c++ looks nicer than objective-C though
[21:30] <skreechmiester> That would be KDE
[21:30] <skreechmiester> Kubuntu
[21:30] <mbrigdan> Kubuntu is written in a separate language than ubuntu?
[21:31] <mbrigdan> ???
[21:35] <skreechmiester> Yes
[21:35] <skreechmiester> Different environment
[21:46] <joaopinto> mbrigdan, ubuntu is not a software written in a specific language, it's a bundle of software with it's own configuration and integration
[22:00] <nhaines> mbrigdan: Most Ubuntu-specific things like configuration tools are written in Python.
[22:06] <skreechmiester> nhaines: ah yes good point
[22:08] <derekS> i thought ubuntu was written 100% in ASM!
[22:09] <derekS> i think I am not going to use it anyomre now that I know the trueth!
[22:09] <derekS> truth even!
[22:10] <skreechmiester> derekS: The Python Grips you!!
[22:10] <derekS> arg, i have been let down :(
[22:10] <nhaines> Python is what it would be like if BASIC were powerful.
[22:11]  * derekS prefers ASM, soo much faster to code GUI applications
[22:11] <skreechmiester> derekS: submit patches no one will turn them down
[22:11] <skreechmiester> Just remember to submit them for AMD64 i386 PPC cell sparc etc
[22:11] <nhaines> haha
[22:11] <derekS> skreechmiester: i bet they would be!
[22:12] <skreechmiester> derekS: They won't as long as you do it for all platformas
[22:12] <skreechmiester> How many platforms are available now?
[22:12] <derekS> skreechmiester: done! i will have the rewrite of everything in MAIN by tomorrow 9AM
[22:12] <nhaines> skreechmiester: just i386 and x64.
[22:13] <skreechmiester> derekS: honestly If you can pull the source for everything in the repos for that time I'll be surprised
[22:13] <derekS> skreechmiester: :)
[22:13] <skreechmiester> nhaines: nuh uh Not supported. available
[22:13] <skreechmiester> Didn't Sun certifiy Ubuntu?
[22:13] <nhaines> skreechmiester: oh, well, then there's also PPC and Sparc.  :)
[22:13] <nhaines> skreechmiester: nope.  :(
[22:14] <skreechmiester> Someone did ... Hmm I forgot who now
[22:14] <nhaines> PPC, HP PA-RISC, IA-64, and SPARC.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.04.1/release/
[22:14] <derekS> alright ladies and gents, thanks for the entertainment. Have a great evening
[22:15] <nhaines> Good night, derekS.
[22:15] <skreechmiester> Ah IA-64 for got that
[22:15] <skreechmiester> derekS: cn You code ASM for IA-64 ?
[22:15] <derekS> i can do anything if i put my mind to it!
[22:16] <skreechmiester> derekS: Bug 1: Fixed
[22:16] <derekS> :)
[22:16] <derekS> gotta head to the airport
[22:17] <derekS> ttyl
[22:17] <skreechmiester> Bye
[22:20] <PriceChild> skreechmiester: thanks
[22:23] <tanath> cyphase, cypherdelic, xchat autocompletes the first nick because you can keep hitting tab to cycle through
[22:24] <cyphase> tanath: that makes a little more sense :)
[22:25] <tanath> it's easier than forcing you to type some more characters, usually
[23:45] <cypherdelic> tanath: it doesnt autocomplete for me. when i type cyph and hit tab, then it shows me cypherdelic and cyphased and i have to add a or e and had to hit tab once again
[23:45] <tanath> did you try hitting it again?
[23:46] <cypherdelic> yes just showing cypherdelic cyphase againä
[23:46] <tanath> i think the behaviour may have changed, or there may be a setting for it. i forget...
[23:46] <tanath> but i used to do it all the time in xchat
[23:46] <cyphase> tanath: he's using xchat-gnome
[23:46] <cyphase> tanath: as opposed to just xchat
[23:46] <G_009> !irssi
[23:46] <tanath> ah, that may be why
[23:47] <G_009> zero tolerance for failure
[23:47] <tanath> G_009: like the bot says, that's a terminal client :P
[23:47] <cypherdelic> ah so there is a behavior differnce between xchat and xchat-gnome?
[23:47] <tanath> and we're not talking about failure :P
[23:47] <tanath> cypherdelic: possibly
[23:47] <G_009> thats an annoyance.. a fail in my book too
[23:47] <cypherdelic> i think showing both names and require to enter one more char is less erroresous
[23:47] <jmarsden> tanath: You are running a very old version?  /ctcp version shows  xchat 0.18 Linux 2.6.26-5-generic for you, but shows  xchat 2.8.4 Ubuntu  for me, where multiple tabs work as expected...
[23:48] <cypherdelic> so xchat-gnome has a better behavior even if its not that comfortable
[23:48] <tanath> cypherdelic: it's not erroneous...
[23:48] <tanath> that's not better o.O
[23:48] <cypherdelic> no but if some guys type cyph and what to have cypherdelic
[23:48] <cypherdelic> they produce the error because they dont hit it again
[23:48] <cypherdelic> its not obvious to them
[23:48] <tanath> in this case you could type 'cy' and hit tab twice
[23:49] <cypherdelic> they have to look very exactly whats not the main behhavior of people
[23:49] <tanath> it's just different. nothing wrong with different
[23:49] <cypherdelic> the type 3-4 chars hit tab and start writing
[23:49] <tanath> no, you need 5 your way
[23:49] <cypherdelic> so i think this behhavior produces ore errors in chat that xchat-gnome
[23:50] <tanath> maybe when people aren't paying attention, but that's bound to cause errors anyway
[23:50] <cypherdelic> hmm
[23:50] <G_009> tabbing cy gives me cypherdelic first choice .. viva irssi
[23:50] <cypherdelic> its just usability
[23:50] <tanath> same as i remember xchat being
[23:50] <tanath> :)
[23:50] <cypherdelic> yes yes i agree you dont got my point
[23:50] <tanath> i've used both ways, and i prefer the tab cycling
[23:51] <cypherdelic> everyone knows tab gives me autocommplete
[23:51] <cypherdelic> but noone really knows of that more times hitting
[23:51] <tanath> you'd be surprised how many people don't know about tab completion
[23:51] <tanath> there's lots of things people don't know
[23:51] <tanath> but it's not really relevant
[23:52] <cypherdelic> yes but cyphase gets all the missdirected highlights
[23:52] <tanath> because people are lazy
[23:52] <G_009> however.. this is not a 8.10 issue at all .. file a bug against xchat package if you so feel inclined
[23:52] <cypherdelic> no need for it
[23:52] <tanath> G_009: take it easy. we're not exactly flooding the channel preventing others from talking ;p
[23:52] <cyphase> people just like me better
[23:53] <tanath> haha XD
[23:53] <G_009> 'tis the home for ibex not xchat
[23:53] <nhaines> Are we still upset about tab completion?  :)
[23:53] <tanath> G_009: that only matters when there's enough conversation to worry about what people are talking about
[23:54] <cyphase> i don't think anyone's "upset"
[23:54] <nhaines> cyphase: I didn't mean upset as in "crying".  I meant it more lightly.
[23:54] <cyphase> nhaines: yea, i figured :)