[00:04] JontheEchidna: My PPA is certainly _my_ preferred way of getting nouveau. The other option is to build from source. [00:04] well there's a dep that can't be satisfied [00:05] JontheEchidna: You need to run module-assistant first. [00:05] The nouveau wiki page describes the steps, but basically you need to run 'sudo m-a a-i drm-modules', and then nouveau will be installable. [00:06] cool [00:08] When I have a lazy weekend I'll move nouveau to the dkms system, but this works for now. [00:10] "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." [00:10] I guess I'll have to wait for module-assistant to catch up to the latest kernel? [00:11] dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii [00:11] returns nothing^ [00:12] Strange. I though module-assistant would pull in the headers if necessary. [00:13] JontheEchidna: Anyway, installing the linux-headers package should fix that for you. [00:14] hmm [00:15] libdrm2 didn't get updated [00:15] * JontheEchidna dist-upgrades [00:15] It's looking for linux-headers-2.6.26-4-generic but I have linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic installed [00:17] i installed linux...2.6.26-5-generic...deb (whatever the .deb name is) on my hardy box, which fixed my atherous wifi problem, but now I need to enable/install nvidia driver [00:17] Are you _running_ 2.6.26-5? [00:18] yes :) [00:18] (gessing that was ment for someone else) [00:18] RAOF: now that you mention it... [00:18] no [00:19] * JontheEchidna never did reboot [00:19] JontheEchidna: Well, that's going to make your 2.6.26-5-headers somewhat irrelevant :) [00:19] yeah... [00:20] brb [00:24] shouldn't there be a modules...26 in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ [00:27] That's better [00:28] when I boot 26.5, it 'stops' 5 or 6 times, and it seems I have to hit either scroll lock or the power button to get it to continue [00:29] add Songbird, Flock and iFolder to repository please [00:33] compiz does not load at startup [00:36] compiz only uses 2 virtual desktop, even if i try change number [00:36] dooley: ban evasion is a bad thing [00:36] i rebooted to windows, and now i can enter the channel [00:36] dooley: join #ubuntu-ops [00:36] im still banned when i use ubuntu [00:36] oh [00:36] RAOF: now it's just a matter of installing the driver and changing nv to nouveau in xorg.conf? [00:37] JontheEchidna: Correct. [00:37] cool [00:37] If you're at all interested in dual-head, you'll also want to browse the !xrandr documentation. [00:39] ok Flannel has forced me to leave this channel, im good boy, im not bad, but he told me i must leave, so bye [00:44] It works [00:44] Woot! [00:45] Pretty cool [00:49] well, KWin effects work in XRender mode :P [00:49] ...slowly :P [00:52] well some of the less intensive effects work nice [00:52] at least I get the benefits of a composited desktop even without effects [00:53] What card do you have? I found kwin to be reasonably snappy. [00:53] So much so that I'm a annoyed that it doesn't appear to work in GNOME. [00:55] GeForce 4 MX 440 [00:55] OpenGL effects didn't work out to well with nouveau [00:55] Well, yes. There's no 3d acceleration :) [00:56] Ah, I suppose a geforce2 GPU might be a little bit slower than this 7600go :) [00:56] yeah [00:56] oh man [00:57] I need a new computerrrr [02:53] is java working for people in firefox on intrepid? [02:55] I can't get it to work with either sun-java6 or icedtea [02:57] I'm having some trouble with Jockey. Seems it doesn't see the Radeon XPRESS 200M in my laptop on intrepid. Before, it would install an fglrx-source package and X would crash. [03:13] hello [03:14] can somebody help me with sound alsa works fine but pulseaudio soundserver does not work [03:14] ups [05:11] anyone else seeing really slow performance with intrepid? [05:15] Nothing I've really noticed, but I don't use it often, and only on the laptop. [05:22] telexicon: can you qualify "really slow performance"? [05:23] telexicon: i.e., video? i/o? etc. [05:23] ls [05:23] :( [05:24] Xorg video performance, repainting is much choppier (its never been smooth but now its worse), video is choppy, flash videos are extremely choppy, especially full screen, disk I/O causes most applications to hang and slow down [05:24] switching windows in gnome causes audio and video to skip [05:25] telexicon: which kernel are you using? [05:26] cat /proc/version_signature [05:26] theres another example, if i open a new tab in gnome-terminal, its about 5-10 seconds before the shell starts [05:26] Ubuntu 2.6.26-4.11-generic [05:27] telexicon: there's a newer kernel. [05:27] linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic | 2.6.26-5.13 | intrepid | amd64, i386 [05:27] yea im installing that [05:27] did they change the scheduler again? [05:27] no? [05:28] k [05:28] make sure you install the corresponding l-r-m if you need it, too. [05:28] linux-restricted-modules-2.6.26-5-generic | 2.6.26-5.11 | intrepid/restricted | amd64, i386 [05:29] cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted [05:29] 0 === emma_ is now known as emma === hiredgoon is now known as Guest71679 === hiredgoo1 is now known as hiredgoon [07:03] sup [07:04] So how is everyone ? === D is now known as Guest44927 === Guest44927 is now known as C0nn0R [07:09] ... [07:12] Welcome back. [07:12] Sup. New to irrsi. [07:12] >_< Complex abit, but within time will learn. [07:12] So how is everyone ? [07:13] irssi is nice once you get used to it. Especially combined with 'screen', but let's not get ahead of ourselves. :) [07:13] yeah. [07:13] I'm doing fine tonight. How are you? [07:13] Good, just hanging out. A friend said this was a good program and checking it out. [07:13] So far, so good :) [07:14] Which, irssi? Or Ubuntu? :) [07:15] Both. [07:16] So far, it really has beaten the windows propaganda out of me. And realized the world of open source. [07:16] Neither is too bad, although I don't recommend intrepid as a first time experience. :) [07:16] Oh, Free Software is really nice. In fact, it can even make Windows quite usable. :) [07:16] Yeah. [07:17] I wish Ballmer wasen't so gung-ho on everyone running Vista, instead improving there current versions of Windows. [07:18] You can't really "improve" a current version of Windows, because too many companies rely on consistant behavior for the product. [07:18] I don't blame them for wanting to retire XP. I just wish they had a decent OS to transition to. [07:19] Yeah, do you think Microsoft could be taken down with Linux gainin enough power ? [07:19] Instead of bloated software with not the greatist security ? [07:20] I think Free Software is the future, but I don't imagine it is going to be very rapid. :) [07:21] Yeah, the home computer took years to be produced to everyone. [07:22] After the excitement wore off (a little), I realized it doesn't really matter what Microsoft does anymore. Because Linux is still here, and it's still better. [07:22] And between OpenOffice.org and Firefox and all the other little things, it's going to slowly chip away at the myth that only proprietary software is useful. [07:22] Improving security, better drivers, more support. Justs get better and better :) [07:22] Would anyone have an idea why i cant login to my intrepid anymore with gdm? Only kinda related thing i see in messages is - Unable to locate theme engine in module_path "ubuntulooks" [07:24] hmmm... not sure, the only GUI error is when I tryed to update alsa and X didn't like the new drivers. [07:24] stefanlsd: well, sounds like the ubuntulooks theme isn't valid anymore. See if you can login with a failsafe session and change your theme. Use the options menu. [07:25] nhaines: good idea - thanks, will try that [07:25] naines: Have you had flash crashing with just not loading at random times ? [07:25] nhaines: also discovered gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks wasnt installed [07:25] nhaines* [07:26] stefanlsd: that'll do it. :) [07:26] C0nn0R: A lot less than it used to, but occasionally it crashes. [07:26] Yeah, >_< annoying at times. [07:27] Why was Pulse introduced into Hardy even though it causes conflicts ? [07:27] nhaines: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0. Warning: Couldnt authenticate user. hehe :) [07:28] C0nn0R: it's complicated, but the problem is definitely with Flash, not with pulseaudio per se. [07:28] stefanlsd: Hm, that's no good. :) Can you use the commandline to install gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks? [07:28] Oh, so it is just Adobe issue then. I wonder if the stable version of Flash 10 will fix this. [07:28] nhaines: may be related to graphics card drivers. let me see if i can change it. (yeah, thats what i did to get past that error onto this error) [07:28] C0nn0R: Besides, pulseaudio will continue to be better integrated. It's really nice, too. Just like Vista, it lets you do application-specific volume levels. [07:30] Yeah, maybe it is just pulseaudio wanting to have conflicts with rhythmbox, flash. Hopefully it will be better within later versions of Ubuntu. [07:31] C0nn0R: I actually have zero sound problems other than occasional Flash issues. [07:31] Weird, with pulse enabled on my machine, rhythmbox would not play while flash was running. [07:32] Well, that would be a Flash issue again. :) [07:33] Oh. :( I wish they would release the flash player source, so we could fix the bugs and make it 10 times better. :) [07:33] Maybe one day. [07:34] Adobe doesn't care, unfortunately. :) Although they have been getting better! [07:34] Yeah, that is true, Was it the demaned for flash on linux that adobe had to produce a version for us ? [07:35] No, they sort of had an old version but it was always out of date. It might have been demand that they decided to improve their timings. === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [08:23] hi [08:23] I do research hi [08:23] oops. [08:23] Just hi. :) [08:23] can u help me? [08:23] cause im kinda new here in ubuntu [08:23] linux [08:23] how can i use my yahoo messenger here? [08:24] actually i already install it but [08:24] i cant connect [08:24] whats my problem with my ym>? [08:24] whats my problem with my ym? [08:24] You should probably use Pidgin to connect to Yahoo Messenger. [08:24] but how can i use the real yahoo messenger i just installed? [08:24] is there anything i can do about it [08:25] ?? [08:25] any one? [08:25] um [08:25] i dont think there is a current version of the 'real' yahoo messenger for linux [08:26] or are you saying you installed it under wine? [08:26] For that you will have to contact Yahoo, but this channel is about the development version of Ubuntu. [08:26] KINGABAN, does pidgin not do what you want? [08:26] yes i did install it under wine [08:26] but i want to use the real yahoo messenger [08:26] can i do that? [08:27] apparently you can, since you already installed it [08:27] (o^_^o) any one? [08:27] yes? [08:27] how? [08:27] um [08:27] but i can't login on my ym [08:27] no, it appears you can't login [08:28] yes [08:28] logging in doesn't work under wine [08:28] ic [08:28] whats wrong with pidgin? [08:28] how come my friend [08:28] i dont understand [08:28] the graphics is not like the real one [08:28] which 'real' one? [08:28] yahoo messenger looks completely different in each version [08:29] pidgin can list your yahoo contacts and let you instant message them [08:29] Plus, using Pidgin you can connect with all your friends no matter if they use YM or not, and it all looks the same to you. [08:29] It makes things simpler that way. [08:29] yes thats true [08:29] ic [08:29] (For this reason I used Trillian on Windows before using Pidgin on Linux.) [08:29] one more [08:29] KINGABAN, pidgin can connect to yahoo, msn, aim, google talk, pretty much all of them, from the same client [08:30] how can i install window game like counter strike in my ubuntu? [08:30] can u help me? [08:30] ?? [08:30] you're impatient [08:31] Steam and Counter-Strike should just work under WINE if you have the right video card. [08:31] thanks to all who answer my question in my ym [08:31] And you're in the wrong channel, too :) [08:31] ok [08:31] i was going to answer that but then you threw '??' in [08:31] so now im gonna be an ass [08:31] sorry [08:31] KINGABAN: #ubuntu is the correct channel for Ubuntu support. [08:31] telexicon: it's better to be patient. IRC is not like instant messaging that KINGABAN is used to. [08:32] KINGABAN: You also probably want to check out ubuntuforums.org [08:32] nhaines, i suppose, but were also in the special development channel [08:32] ic, thanks for the infos [08:32] we're [08:33] KINGABAN: Your questions will undoubtedly have been asked and almost certainly answered before; try searching ubuntuforums first, then google, then come to #ubuntu or start an ubuntuforums thread. [08:33] oh i see [08:33] KINGABAN, its no problem [08:33] bye everyone thanks again [08:33] KINGABAN, i just dont know that much about counter strike [08:33] KINGABAN, but i have installed portal on wine in the past [08:33] bye...God Bless!!! [08:33] and it worked pretty well [08:33] telexicon: that is true, too, I'm not sure how he got here but it's best to be gentle there as well. :) [08:33] KINGABAN: good luck! [08:33] KINGABAN, bye, have fun [08:33] thanks... [08:34] I need to see if Portal runs any better now that WINE 1.0 is out. [08:34] nhaines, yes, thats true [08:34] heh, i always run the latest dev version of wine [08:34] just like i usually run the alpha/beta versions of ubuntu.. i always want the latest features [08:35] I do too, but I haven't played Portal in a while. :) [08:35] dev version of Ubuntu usually goes on my laptop about the last alpha or the beta. But it's there now because I thought I was giving a presentation on intrepid in two weeks. [08:36] im not really sure what to do about the bugs though [08:37] some of the bugs have been around a really long time [08:37] Oh! Report them. :) [08:37] theres a few in GTK+ that have been annoying for a long time [08:37] Or better yet, get yourself to a Global Bug Jam event. Then you'll learn how to triage them. [08:38] i was really happy a few generations back when they finally fixed the window list applet [08:39] What was wrong with it? [08:40] oh it used to be goofy, all the window blocks would stretch to really strange sizes [08:40] what kind of bugs do you see in gtk+ ? [08:40] like if you had a bunch of windows open and then closed most of them, then they'd stay really small [08:40] instead of stretching to a comfortable size [08:40] but now thats fixed [08:40] um bugs in GTK+ .. well [08:41] yeah, the old window list was really bad; it would resize constantly and arbitrarily [08:41] file picker has this bug where if you open something from a dir, and then if you go to open something again, you have to go up a directory and then back to let you select it [08:41] otherwise when you click open nothing happens [08:41] i notice it most in deluge [08:41] telexicon: try it with compiz disabled [08:41] because i download my torrents to all the same place [08:41] i dont use compiz [08:41] err? [08:41] how on earth could compiz do that? :) [08:42] heh [08:42] not sure, since its a window manager [08:42] I think I've seen that with file-roller [08:42] and this is a widgets thing [08:42] but i did notice a bug in compiz a while back [08:42] crdlb: it is something that should be checked since compiz draws windows [08:42] i notice it most in firefox [08:42] without compiz, if i have my mouse cursor as far left as possible, i can still scroll [08:43] but if compiz is enabled, i cant scroll [08:43] i think i notice that because thats where i put my mouse to keep it out of the way [08:43] gnomefreak: but it hardly affects control flow in the apps themselves :) (I guess it could to a small extent but only due to gtk acting differently in response to it) [08:43] another bug, which i noticed most in the ubuntu installer [08:44] was if you click next, and then try to click next again without moving the mouse.. you cant, you have to move the mouse out of the button area and back in, then you can click it [08:44] heh [08:44] I mostly notice that in Synaptic. [08:44] That's been around for ages. [08:44] but i heard they fixed that recently.. i think it was on reddit or slashdot.. that it was a 7 year old bug [08:44] telexicon: that needs to be filed as a bug (anything with installer) [08:44] At least 40 years now. [08:44] that sounds like that bug which was just fixed? [08:44] yes [08:44] so im looking forward to that [08:44] Link? :) [08:45] nhaines, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56070 [08:45] Gnome bug 56070 in gtk "Can't click button after setting it sensitive." [Major,Resolved: fixed] [08:46] telexicon: slashdot if you mean firefox bug and yes it was fixed in final release [08:46] ah gtk bug [08:46] gnomefreak, which firefox bug? the scrolling bug with compiz? [08:46] telexicon: scrolling without compiz. im not sure they can fix with compiz [08:46] it works fine without compiz [08:46] telexicon: thank you very much! [08:46] telexicon: they can but maybe in 3.1 [08:47] telexicon: it didnt for a long time but was fixed in final [08:47] you referring to smooth scrolling? [08:47] telexicon: there were a few scrolling bugs in firefox maybe 5 or 6 [08:47] oh [08:47] smooth scrolling was the biggest or widest range of users [08:48] it just seems like compiz adds a 1px border around the window that metacity doesnt, so when the mouse is all the way at the edge of the window, scrolling doesnt work [08:48] * gnomefreak wonders how red would look [08:49] ah yes [08:49] theres a bug in metacity now (i think).. that wasnt there in gutsy.. i dont remember if it was in hardy or not [08:50] which looks like it may have gotten fixed :) [08:50] now that i just updated [08:50] it was, if you pinned a window on top, new dialogs and windows would get put beneath all the other windows [08:50] instead of just beneath pinned windows [09:27] My Keyboard Shortcuts still doesnt work since upgraded to Ibex, any ideas? [10:11] cypherdelic: file a bug report. BTW upgrading to a development version of ubuntu doesnt fix things once it is released or in bate things get fixed, but this early things are going to break and be broken. [10:13] cypherdelic: from the question you are asking it is relavent that you maybe should think about installing Hardy until Intrepid beta releases [10:20] oh yeah the problem is known about please search bug reports to find yours if you cant find it file one. cypherdelic You should always file a bug report if you see a problem [10:26] no i think that bug isnt fixed [10:27] if i pin something on top, then open gedit [10:27] it gets put beneath all the windows, and flashes in the window list [10:37] telexicon: its not its fairly new bug [10:37] gnomefreak, yes.. its new [10:37] telexicon: the shortcut bug? [10:37] no [10:38] the pin on top bug [10:38] oh your bug [10:38] yes fairly new [10:39] * gnomefreak gone for a while, while tbird builds [10:43] gnomefreak: thanks for that information i will do so in time [11:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/254387 [11:11] Launchpad bug 254387 in ubuntu "Mediakeys on desktop-keyboards no more work on Ibex." [Undecided,New] [11:11] so here is that with the mediakeys === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle === cwillu is now known as Guest17038 === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle === Guest17038 is now known as cwillu === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [17:21] firefox is pretty unstable these days [17:47] hi all, does anyone which would be the best place to ask about the mountdevsubfs.sh script which is in 8.10 [18:04] Was anyone able to compile MMS on current Ibex using nvidia-glx-177?? I cant compile with OpenGL enabled, script tells me to install opengl X) [18:04] Any ideas? [18:07] compiz runs grat with direct rendering enables and glxinfo dr YES, i installed some opengl devs but still the script tells me to install opengl [18:07] on previosly updated hardy with same packages that script says open gl: test OK [18:08] somethings wrong [18:09] is that worth a bug file, can anyone proof a different software to ./configure with opengl output? [18:09] you probably want the -dev package? [18:10] i dont know wich one there are hundreds of opengl devs [18:10] there's only one for nvidia [18:10] the driver name + "-dev" :) [18:10] crdbl that thing worked opengltest: OK with same packages installalled on hardy [18:11] and intrepid uses different nvidia packages [18:11] crdbl: maybe i need to configure devs path manually in ./configre but i have no idea which one it wants [18:11] the naming scheme is new [18:11] did you install the -dev package? [18:11] oh ok [18:11] wait [18:12] not yet :D [18:12] thx [18:13] crdlb: but still the same message [18:14] you installed nvidia-glx-177-dev ? [18:14] exactly and rerun ./configre --enable opengl result: opengl test failed, please install opengl [18:15] nothing more verbose? [18:15] what exactly is this that you're installing? [18:15] exactly it is: Checking for openGL Error: Please install opengl! [18:15] MMS 1.1.0 rc7 [18:15] that test has passed on hardy [18:16] ill file a bug :) [18:17] you could do a bit more research [18:23] heh interesting way of testing for opengl [18:24] you mean the configure-script file of mms, well? [18:24] yes [18:24] i dont kknow the standard way of doing this [18:24] it compiles a small C program using opengl, then bases its decision on the return code of gcc [18:24] so this is a mms related prob for ibex? [18:24] hm ok [18:25] it could just be that you're missing something else which is preventing that from building [18:25] hm ok:D [18:25] they put a > /dev/null 2>&1 on the end [18:25] which wasn't very smart [18:25] could be anything right? [18:25] you'll have to replicate the test manually [18:26] sry i have no idea of that coding [18:26] open the configure script in a text editor and find opengl_check [18:26] ok wait [18:27] right im there === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [18:27] save those three lines (from EOF to EOF, excluding them) in a file called test.c [18:28] did it [18:28] in that same directory, run: gcc -o test.o test.c -lGL [18:28] should i remove the lines from the old scrpt? [18:28] eh? [18:29] save those three lines (from EOF to EOF, excluding them) in a file called test.c [18:29] do i have to modify configure?? [18:29] no [18:29] k [18:29] just copy them [18:30] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL [18:30] aaah thats my fiel i need? [18:30] no [18:30] x) [18:33] crdlb: that gcc line dosnt work [18:35] cypherdelic: you mean on your system or in general? [18:35] i dont know i just tried that comman you told my but that didnt compiled test.c [18:36] im on ibex sytem [18:36] yes, that error there kind makes that expected :) [18:36] i didnt find any packages that could be relevant on synaptic search lGL [18:38] cypher@HackFleisch:~/mms-1.1.0-rc7$ gcc -o test.o test.c [18:38] /tmp/ccKaogRg.o: In function `main': [18:38] test.c:(.text+0x19): undefined reference to `glViewport' [18:40] why did you remove the lGL ? [18:48] cypherdelic: it definitely needs the -lGL; you can't just remove it :) [18:49] crdlb: ok can you tell how to install them? [18:49] please [18:49] afaik, you did that with nvidia-glx-177-dev [18:50] crdlb: so this is more detail about that ibex bug? [18:50] cypherdelic: install mesa [18:50] catweazle: is installed [18:50] which probably means either you didn't actually install it or something is broken [18:50] crdbwant a screener? [18:50] mesa? nvidia has their own libgl [18:51] crdlb: yes but i installed that libmesa*-dev stuff while trying to get this check passes properly [18:52] and all mesa packages that dont need a uninstall of nvidia-glx-177 ;) [18:53] hey i forget xlibmesa [18:53] but still the same :( [18:54] everything you need is in nvidia-177-glx and nvidia-glx-177-dev [18:54] err nvidia-glx-177 [18:54] assuming nothing is broken [18:55] so my bugfile is correct [18:55] both are installed [18:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/254444 [18:56] Launchpad bug 254444 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 "common OpenGL check fails on Ibex" [Undecided,New] === sisto1 is now known as sisto [18:56] cypherdelic: pastebin: ls /usr/lib/libGL.* [18:57]