[09:20] <gnomefreak> Its not likely that we will have meeting today. For the 3 agenda items i added (the only ones) we need asac there, but lets see if hes home yet and can get online
[09:29] <gnomefreak> since when are PPA bugs tracked in LP?
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi guys.
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was wondering if you have seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/253462 ?
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was also wondering if theres something i can do to help fix it ;)
[10:51] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: im not here but maybe they just need to be spun on new xulrunnner since they depend on it
[10:52] <gnomefreak> atleast that is first thing that pops in my head since it is common
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, simply update the build-dependancies and rebuild? i'll have a look at it
[10:53] <gnomefreak> shoudlnt need to update anything but changelog and rebuild
[10:53] <gnomefreak> but that depends on the depends but not build deps
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. roger.
[10:54] <gnomefreak> look for in the control where the packages that are contained in xulrunner for something like (<version)
[10:54] <gnomefreak> to make sure they fit in range with xulrunner version
[10:54] <gnomefreak> ok im back to bed for a while
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks mate
[10:57] <gnomefreak> np
[11:01]  * Kamping_Kaiser eyeroll at packages.u.c - come back :|
[11:02] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i notice that the bug may be fixed if the package in -proposed gets moved in (because it'll be a version > 8.0.4.1).
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> its actually -updates now https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/epiphany-browser/2.22.2-0ubuntu0.8.04.4
[12:49] <asac> \o/
[12:49] <asac> \o/
[12:49] <asac> pain pain => relieve ;)
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb mate :)
[12:49] <asac> what a trip
[12:50] <asac> have to do a bunch of things now ... will be back later :)
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> np :)
[13:08] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: did it fix it?
[13:09] <gnomefreak> oh someone had pushed it to updates already it just was in query for a while
[13:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah, we (gNS) thinks it needs to be in security, i'm planning to email the archive admins RSN
[13:10]  * gnomefreak getting really tired of bzr builddeb not letting me sign the .dsc and changes during a binary build
[13:10] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: if you are talking about epiphany, you need me or kees, not archive admin
[13:11] <gnomefreak> was it a security release or was it just to fix depends?
[13:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, yes, i'm talking about epiphany (and yelp)
[13:11] <gnomefreak> desktop team resides over them AFAIK
[13:11] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: so the issue is that xulrunner-1.9 updated it's control automatically that which break sepiphany and yelp?
[13:12] <jdstrand> /s/that//
[13:12] <jdstrand> urg
[13:12] <jdstrand> s/that//
[13:12] <gnomefreak> we know what you meant
[13:12] <jdstrand> :)
[13:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, it has a Breaks: against epiphany - wether thats automatic or not i'm not able to tell. (so i think yes ....)
[13:14] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: but simply bumping the version number in epiphany and yelp is enough to fix the installability-- but I'm wondering if that Breaks is so strict because it actually will break things...
[13:15] <jdstrand> (or if that is the real bug)
[13:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, i dont know if you've seen any background on this, so its roughly that gNewSense ships epiphany as its default browser, which is currently uninstallable (and getting uninstalled when people do updates, which is the larger problem).
[13:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, i don tknow if this is because people lack the -updates repo (i dont run it, so i cant comment on that part), but the package in -updates doesnt seem to be helping gNS peoples
[13:17] <gnomefreak> jdstrand: not really but i didnt look into it since im busy with something else but xulrunner built and yelp and epiphany (with any otehr xulrunner based app needs to be respun on new version or control maybe too strict to not allow point releases?
[13:17] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: ok. so epiphany browser gets uninstalled if people have -updates enabled as well?
[13:17] <jdstrand> gnomefreak: /away
[13:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, i'm not sure, i'll have to ask
[13:18] <gnomefreak> yep i am kind of
[13:18] <jdstrand> heh-- I was trying to unmark my 'away', cause I am too :)
[13:19] <jdstrand> really, what I am trying to ascertain is if it's better to a) just update yelp and epiphany with a version that is compatible with the Breaks line, or b) fix xulrunner-1.9's tight dependency
[13:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've asked in #gnewsense, i'll hope someone comes back with a reply re -updates
[13:21] <jdstrand> b) sounds like it needs to be fixed anyway, otherwise it defeats the purpose of having all these packages using it in this way... I just don't want those packages to break because the Breaks line is actually correct
[13:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> they updated /without/ an -updates repository, (gNS doesnt offically use -updates iirc)
[13:27] <jdstrand> did asac it looks like if -updates is enabled, people are ok (version 2.22.2-0ubuntu0.8.04.4)
[13:27] <jdstrand> uh (I am clearly not awake yet)
[13:27] <jdstrand> looks like if -updates is enabled, people are ok
[13:27] <jdstrand> it is only if people have just -security enabled
[13:28] <jdstrand> so from an Ubuntu perspective, that's good (less people are affected)
[13:28] <jdstrand> I don't know about derivatives, of course
[13:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. does that mean we (gNS) will have to try and rebuild it to move it into security?
[13:29] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: no-- this is still wrong and needs to be fixed
[13:29] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: I was just trying to gauge the severity of the bug
[13:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, ok.
[13:32] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~8.04.1 has this in its changelog entry:
[13:32] <jdstrand>   * 1.9b5 to 1.9rc1 upgrade Breaks: epiphany-gecko (<<
[13:32] <jdstrand>     2.22.1.1-0ubuntu1.8.04.1), yelp (<< 2.22.1-0ubuntu2.8.04.1), midbrowser
[13:32] <jdstrand>     (<< 0.3.0rc1), devhelp (<< 0.19-1ubuntu1.8.04.1)
[13:32] <jdstrand>     - update debian/control
[13:33] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: which means that I do infact need to pull in the -updates epiphany and yelp, as the versioning was deliberate
[13:33] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: so I'll take care of that
[13:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, thanks, feel free to let me know if i can help
[13:34] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks-- just another no change rebuild, so I should be ok :)
[13:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, hehe. thanks for working on this.
[13:35] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: please feel free to contact me and kees (as well as asac) if there is a problem with a -security update in the future
[13:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, thanks. If you dont mind, I'll email this whole log to Brian (bbrazil , gNS lead dev) so he's aware of whats happen{ed,ing}
[13:36] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: not at all
[14:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all.
[14:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, thanks for taking that on.
[14:12]  * Kamping_Kaiser gone
[15:39] <gnomefreak> asac: i messed up bad. i have to help g/f parents move i could have sworn that was next weekend but i was just reminded and im leaving within the next 30 minutes once she is done getting dressed. Please feel free to go over what i have on agenda if you cant/dont want to we can put them off till next meeting or whatever.
[15:39] <gnomefreak> if ther eis a meeting can someone please do minutes so i can catch up later tonight or tomorrow depending on how i feel
[15:53] <gnomefreak> im so glad filing bug reports means nothing to some people i closed a few that were reported a year ago by me and noone touched or looked at, im still waiting for my gedit bug to be looked at its been happening since beginning of june and all info is there to work with it
[15:53] <gnomefreak> im gone in a minute or 2
[17:42] <XioNoX> hey
[17:42] <Jazzva> hey XioNoX
[17:43] <XioNoX> a little bit early for the metting :D
[17:43] <Jazzva> yep, a little bit :).
[17:43] <fta> hi
[17:43] <XioNoX> hi
[17:43] <Jazzva> hello fta
[17:43] <fta> seems gnomefreak will not be able to attend
[17:44] <Jazzva> damn :(
[17:44] <armin76> fail
[17:44] <fta> and the agenda is his
[17:45] <fta> not sure about asac
[17:45] <Jazzva> well, the only thing I had to add was the nspluginwrapper. Can we put 1.0.0. for hardy to MT PPA too... but that's not really for the meeting, so I decided not to put it up
[17:47] <XioNoX> nspluginwrapper 1.0 for 64bits is working well for me, better than the other version
[17:48] <fta> you can put it in MT's PPA if you're confident it will work
[17:48] <fta> otherwise, put it in your own ppa for a while
[17:51] <Jazzva> fta, It's already in my PPA for 2-3 days. XioNoX says it works well, i would like to see if we can get more testers... where do we post those announcements?
[17:55] <fta> you can blog about it
[17:55] <fta> are you on planet ?
[17:55] <Jazzva> fta, nope. I haven't applied for MOTU yet.
[17:55] <fta> or use the feature on lp
[17:56] <Jazzva> I think it only works for projects, and not for teams.
[18:58] <Jazzva> meeting in a few... hmm, gnomefreak still not here :/
[19:00] <Jazzva> anyone alive?
[19:00] <Jazzva> :)
[19:01] <fta> i am
[19:01] <Jazzva> yay :)
[19:02] <Volans> I'm here :)
[19:02] <Jazzva> wee, that's 3 :)
[19:02] <fta> asac, are you there ?
[19:03] <XioNoX> :)
[19:11] <fta> nothing's happening..
[19:11] <Jazzva> hmm... can we go through few items now?
[19:11] <Jazzva> make few possible decisions, and then to present it to the others later?
[19:11] <Jazzva> the only thing that we can leave for later is libflashsupport (third item)
[19:12] <Volans> Jazzva: there are items from the agenda that doesn't require asac and/ore gnomefreak?
[19:12] <fta> it's supposed to happen in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:13] <Jazzva> Volans, I think that we can at least do something :). Better than not doing anything...
[19:13] <Volans> sure :)
[19:43] <Volans> sorry but I have to to dinner... come back later, good meeting :)
[19:43] <Jazzva> have fun, Volans
[19:52] <Jazzva> fta, I suppose minutes will be good enough :)
[19:52] <Jazzva> easier than repeating everything in the minutes :)
[19:53] <fta> yep
[19:54] <fta> thanks for the co-lead ;)
[19:54] <Jazzva> fta, no problem :)
[20:17] <Jazzva> does anyone know when is our next meeting?
[20:18] <Jazzva> I think it's 14th August
[20:18] <Jazzva> ...september :)
[20:22] <Jazzva> Minutes are up :)... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Mozilla
[20:23] <Jazzva> And I'm off.. have to go and meet a friend who came back from Paris :). See you later
[21:18] <asac> oh dear ... i have been so busted that i forgot about the meeting ... i cant tell how sorry i am
[21:19] <fta> we did it anyway.. sort of
[21:22] <asac> my flat had water hazard ... i moved part of my infrastructure to my mothers home
[21:22] <asac> and went back to do cleanup
[21:22] <fta> gasp
[21:22] <fta> bad luck those days
[21:23] <asac> and after all of that it just slipped through :(
[21:24] <asac> fta: thanks for pushing the meeting forward anyway
[21:24] <fta> np
[21:26] <asac> jdstrand: so what was the problem with ephy/devhelp/yelp & co?
[21:26]  * asac reads meeting backlog
[21:31] <fta> it's a bit messy, we did what we could with you and gnomefreak out
[21:31] <asac> jdstrand: ok i now understand. so problem was that we didnt do the upgrade to final in -security
[21:32] <asac> jdstrand: thanks for your action on this
[21:33] <asac> fta: did jazzva send the minutes out to list?
[21:33] <asac> (my mail server is still processing backlog of mails from last week)
[21:33] <fta> i don't think so
[21:34] <asac> ok, so open points are a) tbird templates and b) bug triaging
[21:35] <asac> the flash 10 backport alone wont help us
[21:35] <asac> we also need the pulse plugin backport for asounds-plugins
[21:35] <asac> which might require a new alsa
[21:36] <sebner> asac: thx ^^
[21:36] <sebner> asac: is nvidia hating us?
[21:36] <asac> hi
[21:37] <asac> sebner: i am a bit disconnect now due to some circumstances
[21:37] <asac> what is it bout?
[21:37] <sebner> asac: firefox seg faults if I visit nvidia.com xD
[21:37] <asac> sebner: flash crash?
[21:37] <asac> does it happen when you start firefox -safe-mode ?
[21:38] <fta> hmm, me too
[21:38] <sebner> asac: ah true, flash
[21:38] <sebner> never happened before though
[21:39] <asac> sebner: please use nspluginwrapper from ~mozillateam ppa
[21:39] <sebner> an flash10 is the best flash ever
[21:39] <asac> then do apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[21:39] <asac> sebner: you installed it manually? or package?
[21:39] <sebner> asac: package
[21:39] <asac> then go for nspluginwrapper
[21:39] <asac> sebner: which architecture?
[21:39] <sebner> i386
[21:39] <asac> i dont see the crash with flash 9
[21:40] <sebner> bad flash 10 xD
[21:40] <asac> sebner: the nspluginwrapper should prevent your crash at least
[21:40] <asac> sebner: maybe its due to video driver?
[21:40] <asac> which driver?
[21:40] <sebner> asac: nvidia ^^
[21:41] <asac> sebner: flashplugin-nonfree from backports?
[21:41] <sebner> asac: intrepid :P
[21:41] <asac> you have libflashsupport installed?
[21:41] <sebner> nope
[21:41] <asac> ok
[21:42] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/33768/
[21:42] <asac> then only way to prevent is is probably nspluginwrapper for now
[21:42] <sebner> fta: nice :)
[21:42] <sebner> asac: I know it but not what it's doing, can you explain?
[21:42] <asac> fta: can you get the same with xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym
[21:42] <asac> sebner: it will make flash run out-of-process
[21:43] <asac> so if flash crashes, firefox doesnt crash
[21:43] <fta> lucky you, it's not a ppa deb
[21:43] <sebner> asac: kuhl :)
[21:43] <asac> fta: oh. which package are you using?
[21:43] <asac> ah ... most likely your ;)
[21:44] <fta> asac, the intrepid one, i'm kind of behind with my stuff
[21:44] <asac> fta: ah ;) ... ok now i read what you ment ;)
[21:45] <asac> a backtrace appears to be worthwhile. the stack only has xul in it, so maybe its fixable on that side
[21:46] <fta> hmm, cairo
[21:47] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/33770/
[21:49] <Volans> I'm back... how about the meeting?
[21:51] <asac> fta: dpy = 0x0
[21:51] <asac> Volans: i am so sorry for the meeting
[21:51] <asac> i have a water hazard in my flat and moved my things to my mothers place
[21:51] <asac> and went back to clean up and completely forgot
[21:51] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ xdpyinfo | grep dots
[21:51] <fta>   resolution:    89x87 dots per inch
[21:52] <Volans> no problem, I have attend the first part but after I have go for dinner... just to know how it ended
[21:52] <Volans> the water was the cause for the network/phone problems?
[21:52] <asac> yes :(
[21:52] <asac> and all this after all the travel
[21:53] <Volans> damn murphy...
[21:53] <asac> i hope i goes away for the rest of the year
[21:53] <asac> at least
[21:53] <asac> s/i/murphy/
[21:54] <sebner> asac: watch out for "schimmel" :\
[21:54] <asac> that comes next
[21:56] <asac> fta: i think a bunch of excited things landed on mozilla-central
[21:56] <asac> for instance video tag support :)
[21:56] <asac> so 1.9.1 in intrepid makes sense :-D
[21:56] <asac> at least in universe
[21:57] <fta> people want flock and songbird
[21:57] <sebner> fta: and what was the third thing?
[21:59] <fta> hmm; donno. new prism ?
[22:00] <asac> weave
[22:00] <asac> ;)
[22:00] <asac> snowl ... its a messaging extension in firefox from labs.mozilla.com
[22:01] <asac> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2008/Sessions/Proposals/Snowl:_Messaging_in_the_Browser
[22:01] <asac> http://hg.mozilla.org/labs/snowl/
[22:02] <sebner> asac: you are big firefox/mozilla fan, hmm? ^^
[22:04] <asac> sebner: obviously ;)
[22:04] <asac> fta: strange
[22:04] <sebner> asac: what do you think about webkit?
[22:05] <asac> have you looked at the nsObjectFrame.cpp:4076?
[22:05] <asac> fta: that line doesnt make much sense for me
[22:05] <asac> sebner: vaporware ;)
[22:05] <fta> nope, i'm fighting with rdf and sparql
[22:05] <asac> sebner: good to have to show mozilla that there is competition
[22:06] <sebner> asac: hrhr :P though you can't deny that firefox is a little bit slow
[22:06] <asac> sebner: and how unhappy linux devs are about their attitude
[22:06] <asac> as they go for webkit even though it doesnt really work yet
[22:06] <sebner> at least
[22:06] <sebner> epiphany webkit is more stable than gecko
[22:07] <sebner> for me
[22:07] <asac> fta: unrelated context or trying to fix some extension/code?
[22:07] <fta> unrelated context
[22:07] <asac> k
[22:08] <asac> sebner: thats good :)
[22:09] <sebner> asac: why? so it shows that it is usable and better than gecko :P
[22:11] <asac> sebner: what are you using?
[22:12] <sebner> asac: ff :P
[22:12] <sebner> I'm used to it ^^
[22:12] <asac> so ff on top of webkit is more stable?
[22:18] <asac> sebner: so when does it crash for you ... when you first open the video?
[22:18] <asac> or when you move away?
[22:21] <sebner> asac: what video?
[22:22] <asac> video aka swf
[22:22] <asac> sebner: you think you can try the patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/33785/ ?
[22:24]  * sebner hides
[22:24] <sebner> asac: where is this file O_o (though not today)
[22:24] <asac> sebner: put that patch into debian/patches/, add the file to debian/patches/series
[22:24] <asac> and spin the xulrunner-1.9 package
[22:25] <asac> remember to add a/ and b/ to the patch paths
[22:25] <asac> so
[22:25] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/33786/
[22:25] <asac> that patch as a/ b/ prepended
[22:25] <asac> so just do the first step about
[22:25] <asac> above
[22:26] <asac> sebner: ^^
[22:27] <sebner>                                                                                          
[22:27] <sebner>  7834 sebner    20   0 98.7m  39m  17m S  192  2.0   3:35.97 nautilus
[22:27] <asac> huh?
[22:27] <sebner> wow. 192% for nautilus
[22:27] <sebner> \o/
[22:27] <asac> yeah ;)
[22:27] <asac> hear hear ... gnome has issues too :-D
[22:27] <sebner> not gnome
[22:27] <sebner> nautilus is different
[22:28] <sebner> and besides
[22:28] <asac> nautilus is different?
[22:28] <sebner> it's not a bug, it's a feature :P
[22:28] <asac> its a core app of gnome
[22:28] <asac> ;)
[22:29] <sebner> bayern is also a core nation in germany but also somehow different :P
[22:29] <asac> hehe
[22:29] <asac> however, germany would still be usable without them :-D
[22:29] <sebner> gnome commander :P
[22:30] <asac> good idea
[22:30] <asac> ;)
[22:30] <asac> mozilla bug 448604
[22:30] <asac> i was heavily struck by that ;)
[22:30] <asac> didnt really work for me though
[22:31] <asac> fta: ^^ ;)
[22:33] <fta> lol