[00:04] <nickrud> what I'd really like is a sync between the bantracker and the channel, I think they're not quite the same
[00:06] <stdin> nickrud: I'm half way there, I have it so it marks bans as removed when it can't find them in the channel, it doesn't yet try to add new bans yet
[00:06] <nickrud> stdin ah, great :)
[00:29] <Flannel> Hmm
[00:29] <Flannel> smallfoot is in #ubuntu as dooley
[00:30] <Flannel> who can unban him here?  We'll probably have to have another lovely chat.
[00:31] <Flannel> I guess its just his nick, he'll still be able to get in
[00:31] <ompaul> I would have removed lots of stuff about him
[00:32] <ompaul> I am going to issue the big one
[00:33] <ompaul> I don't see him as banned from here
[00:33] <Flannel> search for smallfoot
[00:34] <Flannel> oh
[00:34] <Flannel> removed
[00:34]  * Flannel is blind.
[00:36] <dooley> Hobbsee here?
[00:37] <Flannel> dooley: You are banned.  Even if "when you reboot to windows" you can get in, you're banned.
[00:37] <ompaul> back again and ban avoidance will buy you that kind of thing
[00:37] <dooley> ok
[00:37] <ompaul> you are now banned for ban avoidance
[00:37] <dooley> but im nice boy
[00:37] <Flannel> dooley: so, please leave #ubuntu+1
[00:37] <dooley> but i wanted get help here
[00:37] <dooley> there
[00:37] <dooley> and i wanted to inform them about the bug
[00:37] <dooley> so they can fix it
[00:37] <dooley> im a good boy, im not bad
[00:38] <Flannel> dooley: launchpad is where you inform them of bugs
[00:38] <dooley> oh i did, i reported 100
[00:38] <dooley> im very good, i reported very very very many
[00:38] <ompaul> pastbin a list of them
[00:38] <ompaul> or don't
[00:38] <dooley> well most are feature request
[00:38] <Flannel> dooley: Please leave #ubuntu+1, or you'll have evaded a ban twice.
[00:38] <dooley> oh
[00:39] <ompaul> we are fair to a point
[00:39] <dooley> i have Songbird in windows xp, and it exist for linux too, but its not in ubuntu repostitory
[00:39] <Flannel> dooley: Yes, you mentioned this in -motu today.  They said they'd work with you to package it if you were interested.
[00:39] <ompaul> dooley, this is not a help channel
[00:40] <ompaul> right so folks I am out of here
[00:40] <dooley> Flannel, wow you are in all channels, you know everything i writing
[00:40] <Flannel> ompaul: bye
[00:40] <ompaul> dooley, that is not accurate
[00:40] <dooley> Flannel i cant package it, im a noob, and it requires reading 10000 pages documentation
[00:41] <Flannel> dooley: While it does take some reading, it's perfectly doable, or else nothing would get packaged ever.  And that's obviously not the case.
[00:41] <dooley> well its only the smart people who can do that, that likes to reading
[00:41] <dooley> im not so smart, and i get impatient very fast
[00:41] <dooley> i dont like reading, i think its boring
[00:42] <Flannel> You should work on the impatience, since it's already gotten you into trouble.  If you don't fix it, you'll just get into more.
[00:44] <Flannel> dooley: But the point is, you are banned for a reason, just because you reboot to windows doesn't make you unbanned.  You'll have to do some reading and understanding (and probably change your attitude) to get them lifted.
[00:46] <dooley> ok
[00:46] <dooley> but Hobbsee told me to come back after a week, and i think i waited more than a week to come back
[00:46] <Flannel> dooley: You waited a week, yes.  But you came back and your attitude hadn't gotten any better.
[00:47] <dooley> well i cant change from one day to next day, it takes many years
[00:48] <Flannel> dooley: If you haven't changed at all, then while we could unban you, its likely that within a short period of time we'd end up banning you again.
[00:48] <Flannel> dooley: The week wasn't arbitrary, it was to give you time to think about your actions and try and fix them.
[00:48] <dooley> yeah, but im nice and i dont like to be banned
[00:48] <Flannel> dooley: And we don't want you to remain banned, but your actions forced us to ban you.
[00:50] <dooley> i forgot what i did
[00:52] <Flannel> dooley: You were blatantly disrespectful to people
[00:54] <dooley> well i try to be nice
[00:54] <Flannel> dooley: and before that, you were using profanity, even after you were asked to stop
[00:54] <dooley> well, its accident
[00:54] <dooley> i didnt meant todo that
[00:54] <dooley> but sometimes i get angry
[00:55] <Flannel> dooley: We all get angry sometimes, being angry doesn't mean you can swear, or insult people
[00:55] <Flannel> also, the fact that you're angry doesn't mean you shouldn't be held responsible for your actions
[00:56] <Flannel> dooley: many people slip once in a while, which is why you get warned/asked to stop. When you continue after being warned, is when we have to act on it
[00:58] <dooley> well i do stop when im told, but then i slip again later
[00:59] <Pici> Well, everyone else learns to control themselves, you need to do the same.
[01:00] <dooley> ya
[01:01] <Flannel> dooley: If you can't, one easy way of ensuring it doesn't happen is to leave channels when you get angry, or just walk away from the computer for 15 minutes and cool off.
[01:02] <dooley> yeah. i guess, but i kinda like to went it
[01:02] <dooley> to get it out you know
[01:03] <Flannel> dooley: You'll have to find some other method of venting.  Since abusing other people isn't kosher.
[01:03] <dooley> well it really bothers me that i cant find songbird in the repo
[01:04] <Flannel> dooley: To get software in a repository, it takes a lot of work, as you're aware of already.  Even after you've packaged it once, you can't just walk away, you have to keep up and make sure it's not dangerous for people to have installed
[01:04] <Flannel> dooley: If you're not willing to put in the time and effort, how do you expect others to?
[01:05] <Flannel> dooley: *you* even want it in the repos, the people youre asking in -motu probably don't use it, so why would they spend the time packaging something that they don't use?
[01:05] <dooley> well maybe there is someone whos smart and who thinks its fun todo the stuff i think its boring
[01:06] <Flannel> dooley: If you watch those videos they told you about, and take some initiative and show some effort, the people in -motu *will* help you through any problems you have.
[01:07] <Flannel> dooley: but, if they take the time to package songbird for you, thats time they're not spending on packages that they, and probably thousands of other people use.
[01:07] <dooley> oh
[01:07] <dooley> well we need more packaging guys
[01:07] <Flannel> dooley: So, volunteer to be one!
[01:07]  * nickrud looks at dooly
[01:08] <nickrud> dooley that was a joke, by the way:)
[01:08] <dooley> :D
[01:09] <dooley> well the packaging thing seems so difficult and much effort and time, and reading 1000 pages of boring stuff
[01:09] <dooley> im not so smart
[01:09] <Flannel> dooley: Open source runs off of self-initiative.  If you want something done, the absolute best way to ensure it gets done is to do it yourself.  And usually, once you've done it for a little while, other people will step in and help.
[01:09] <Flannel> dooley: They have videos, surely you can watch those and learn a lot.
[01:11] <Flannel> dooley: but, when they said "here's a lot of stuff you can use to help you learn" and you replied with "but thats hard", effectively saying "I don't want to do any work".  That's not a good attitude to have, and isn't likely to get you anywhere.
[01:12] <dooley> true
[01:12] <dooley> but i dont like sitting like 15 hours infront of my computer doing something boring
[01:12] <Pici> Then you arent going to get what you want in this case.
[01:12]  * Pici looks at the clock
[01:13] <Flannel> dooley: You might try doing it for one or two hours a day, for a few weeks
[01:13] <Flannel> dooley: Anyway, I think we've gotten off the topic for this channel, feel free to go back to -motu with an improved attitude and ask them to help you learn.
[01:14] <elky> PriceChild, sorry, i overslept again :(
[01:14] <dooley> ok
[01:15] <Flannel> dooley: When you think you've fixed the stuff we talked about previously, about your bans, feel free to come back here and talk about it.
[01:15] <dooley> i gonna watch that video later
[01:15] <dooley> well, i dont know when i will be fixe
[01:15] <dooley> maybe it take years
[01:15] <elky> oh, there wasnt actually a meeting?
[01:15] <Flannel> elky: No, its tuesday
[01:15] <elky> irc meeting. it'll be without me then
[01:16] <Flannel> dooley: Hopefully it will be sooner.  You'll just have to wait and see.
[01:16] <dooley> well, i dont know when or how
[01:16] <PriceChild> elky: we hadn't planned one, that was the old topic
[01:19] <Flannel> dooley: You'll figure it out.  If you want, you can google for anger management techniques or something.  And again, re-read the code of conduct and IRC guidelines, and take them to heart.  I think what has been said covers everything that could be said, so please leave this channel as we're done.
[01:19] <dooley> ok
[01:19] <dooley> bye all people
[01:56] <Tm_T> mmmmm
[01:56] <Pici> mmmm?
[01:56] <Tm_T> ...and party goes on!
[01:58] <Tm_T> Linux podcast recording was a moment ago
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[01:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yes dear?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> dooley / smallfoot
[01:59] <Flannel> Hobbsee: We'll see if he comes back wiser and more polite.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Flannel: indeed.  you handled it well
[02:00] <nickrud> hm, a strange join in #ubuntu
[02:00]  * Flannel notes interesting spam in #ubuntu
[02:01] <nickrud> they dropped right back out Hobbsee , 5 sequential alphanumeric names at the same ip
[02:01] <Flannel> Hobbsee: I figured I ought to do it, since I didn't interact with him before, so he doesn't already have a kneejerk reaction to being suspicious
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Flannel: you won't always do what he wants.  therefore, he'll still have a kneejerk reaction.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> and if he decides to insult you, all the worse for him.
[02:02] <Flannel> Hobbsee: I don't think he's quite that bad, just needs a little guidance.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Flannel: guidance?  most people ahve enough clue not to say (twice) that the only reason I have ops is because i have boobs.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> and other such things.
[02:04] <nickrud> ah, that was smallfoot?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:04] <Hobbsee> and consistently blame their problems on us.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> and not listen.
[02:04] <Tm_T> yup
[02:04] <Tm_T> I tried, failed
[02:05] <Hobbsee> or claim that others are being unfair, because they didn't read the rules, and didn't follow them.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> and so the rules got enforced.
[02:05] <Tm_T> it's not often, but it happens I notice
[02:05] <nickrud> yeah. Claiming you broke the rules, when you quote them as evidence. "See, you said it, now you can't do anything to me."
[02:06] <Tm_T> heh
[02:07] <Hobbsee> the only way 'guidance' will work for him is an extremely long ban (so he figures it out without reading), or something physical done to him, when he gets something wrong.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> the latter which is unfeasible from irc.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> although, why he's on irc, if he doesn't want to read things, i'm not sure...
[02:09] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: he likes to write?
[02:09] <nickrud> irc is wonderful for short attention spans
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: in which case, he can go to a text editor?
[02:10] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no, it's too obvious ;)
[02:11] <Pici> ooh, shiny objects!
[02:11] <Pici> But seriously, I have a feeling that he won't be able to control himself.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Pici: ++
[02:13] <Hobbsee> that was shown earlier
[02:18] <elky> and people wonder why we enforce things the way we do...
[02:19] <nickrud> the good guys don't see the bad guys (and so have a skewed perspective) and the bad guys don't understand rules anyway
[02:20] <Hobbsee> or refuse to
[02:21] <nickrud> no, they simply don't understand the concept of rules. I've seen tonnes of examples in other context
[02:21] <elky> or, see the good guys slip up, and assume that the good guys do it all the time, hence they can/should also
[02:21] <nickrud> why rules exist even
[02:22] <elky> nickrud, that's part of it, yes
[02:22] <nickrud> latimes had a really good article yesterday
[02:22] <elky> linky?
[02:23] <nickrud> got distracted. A sec
[02:25] <nickrud> sorry, nytimes.  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
[02:25] <elky> oh that, i saw that
[02:25] <elky> that wasnt yesterday, was it?
[02:26] <nickrud> I think it was a wonderful troll of trolls. And these are perfect examples of people that don't understand the reason/concept for rules, the concept of a civil society
[02:26] <elky> yup
[02:26] <nickrud> yeah, yesterday
[02:27] <elky> you then also have stuff like the unnameable people who genuinely believe that because they dont *like* the rules, that the rules should go away and stop inconveniencing them.
[02:28] <elky> taking absolutely no note of what the rules are actually preventing... such as pain unto others, etc
[02:28] <nickrud> uh uh
[02:29] <elky> 2008/08/03 is the date in australia today. either that, or it was the date on the 8th of march. which.
[02:29] <nickrud> month day is standard in us
[02:29] <elky> since australia is in tomorrowland, i really wonder how that date was yesterdayland for you
[02:30] <nickrud> the times releases stuff about 12hrs ahead of the date. Due in the sunday paper (today) but released yesterday
[02:30] <elky> crazy
[02:30] <nickrud> heh. Don't your magazines have a future date on them? Common here
[02:30] <elky> i dont exactly take note
[02:31] <elky> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/second-greece-bashing/2008/08/02/1217097606101.html is at the top of the smh site now
[02:31] <elky> so no, no future date
[02:32]  * nickrud needs to learn all the new nice shiny things that stdin's putting in the bot. If I can keep my attention focused ;)
[02:32] <nickrud> see, I can't even stay focused enough to stay in the third person for two sentences
[02:33] <stdin> use @help ;)
[02:33] <elky> it's pretty much ubotu3g now, eh
[02:33] <stdin> @list Bantracker
[02:33] <stdin> @help comment
[02:33] <stdin> and so on...
[02:33] <nickrud> that would be a good name for it
[02:34] <nickrud> ooooh, updatebt
[02:34] <elky> stdin, can we add 'warrants'? where we can name people who we've put on final chance, so they're less likely to get the advantage of cycling timezones to get to final chance 5 times over?
[02:34] <elky> if that makes any sense
[02:35] <nickrud> a nice term for the comments
[02:35] <stdin> I would think that's what comments are for ;)
[02:35] <elky> except the comments dont show up in a ban search
[02:35] <stdin> you can retrieve comments from the tracker with @comment too
[02:35] <nickrud> now, if I may, a request for a timed ban :)
[02:35] <stdin> just leave out the comment
[02:35]  * elky nods at nickrud 
[02:35]  * nickrud wanders away, whistling
[02:36] <elky> timed bans would be awesome useful
[02:36] <stdin> supyboy does have a time ban feature, but it needs +o
[02:36] <stdin> (I could fix that though)
[02:36] <elky> uh, no, floodbot will fight with it
[02:36] <stdin> I got it to ask chanserv for +o with the Topic plugin
[02:36] <elky> aah, it'd work on temp
[02:37] <elky> but not if it was perma-opped
[02:37] <stdin> I managed to hack a little and get it to +o, do whatever it needed then -o itself
[02:37] <elky> we've been asking for timed bans since before i've been op
[02:38] <elky> 15min/1hr/1day/1week would be appropriate slots i think.
[02:39] <elky> im not sure we want to automate anything longer, and im not sure we even want to automate weekly
[02:39] <Hobbsee> oh, i wouldn't mind.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> wait, yes i would.
[02:40] <elky> i'd suggest making 1hr the default ban, with the new syndax being /cs +b m|d|w $nick
[02:41] <elky> and, having alerts for if someone gets banned multiple times within a certain timeframe, i'd suggest that timeframe being a day, but it's negotiable
[02:41] <elky> stdin, that enough of a spec? :)
[02:42] <stdin> yeah, but that sounds like a (insert word meaning "difficult thing") to code
[02:43] <stdin> even getting it to check the channel ban list was difficult
[02:44] <elky> cron.
[02:44] <nickrud> the data would be in the tracker, wouldn't it? Not even need to check the channel
[02:44] <stdin> nickrud: it would, but depends if the tracker is accurate :p
[02:45] <nickrud> stdin ah, yes, that little issue ;)
[02:45] <stdin> elky: but how can we get cron to communicate with the bot?
[02:45] <elky> make the bot process run the cron?
[02:45] <elky> err, check
[02:45] <elky> i dunno
[02:45] <nickrud> doesn't the data exist in a database?
[02:46] <Flannel> just... use cron to generate files
[02:46] <stdin> there's only one process, everything else is threads
[02:46] <Flannel> script -> files with nicks to be unbanned
[02:46] <Flannel> then bot checks those files
[02:46] <Flannel> or just a file to say "hey clean up"
[02:47] <stdin> it still takes the bot 25 mins to get the full ban lists for all channels it's in, I could probably get it down to 15 but there's a danger of flooding off
[02:47] <nickrud> or, since the comments would probably get an automated notice saying 15minute ban, humans can look when checking comments
[02:47] <stdin> it's in about 48 channels after all
[02:48] <Flannel> stdin: What is that relevant to?
[02:48] <Flannel> Oh, bot isn't paying attention to the actual +b commands
[02:48] <stdin> what about when the bot dies or splits
[02:48] <stdin> it can miss bans or unbans sometimes
[02:48] <elky> then kill the 15min option
[02:48] <Flannel> It only needs to get the lists when it splits or dies, after that, it can do incremental updates
[02:49] <Flannel> possibly with a new fresh one daily or something, even under normal circumstances
[02:49] <stdin> it needs to get the list when it connects or when the plugin is reloaded
[02:49] <stdin> then it does do incremental updates, yes
[02:50] <stdin> the timed bans could be done, but I'd probably write a separate plugin to do it. bantracker is getting bloated and less maintainable
[02:51] <stdin> me and seveas seem to have a different coding style too, so it looks horrible :p
[02:52] <elky> so it really is an open source bot now? :Þ
[02:53] <stdin> yep, the code unreadable to anyone who hasn't worked with it. which is the very core of all open source code :)
[03:49] <nalioth>   // took a tea break here.  earl grey with honey //
[06:24] <nalioth> did y'all see this?  http://www.linux.com/feature/143414
[06:36] <bazhang> seen it and blogged about it :)
[06:37] <elky> nalioth, i got to the commenters first ;)
[06:38] <nalioth> has anyone contacted linux.com or that hack author of theirs?
[06:39] <elky> nalioth, i'll guarantee something will have been said by someone.
[06:40] <elky> i trolled the softpedia article yesterday
[06:40]  * bazhang wonders about the hiring practices at linux.com
[06:42] <elky> 90% of their journos are freelancers
[06:42] <elky> i'm one of that 90%
[06:42] <elky> i only wrote 3 articles though
[06:43] <bazhang> seems his extensive tests were: point, click and install.
[06:44] <elky> they take articles based on how many people are likely to read them
[06:44] <nalioth> if they let hacks like that write for them, perhaps i need to start sending them articles
[06:44] <elky> nalioth, send your opinions at least
[06:45] <elky> linux.com had articles at least once a release cycle about automatix anyway. it's not as though this is fresh stupidity
[06:46] <wgrant> I decided to tweak that article to make it true for gnome-app-install instead. It didn't take much tweaking - http://www.qeuni.net/f/1/2008/gnome-app-install.html
[06:47] <elky> a/ultamatix/gnome-app-install/?
[06:47] <elky> s/ultamatix/gnome-app-install/?
[06:47]  * elky hits the keyboard
[06:47] <wgrant> It took a bit more than that.
[06:47] <wgrant> But that was much of it.
[06:48] <bazhang> excellent :)
[07:09] <elky> ugh, i snapped and dared ask she who cannot be named why on earth she is in Australian loco channels
[07:10] <wgrant> Ah, her.
[07:10] <elky> yes. her.
[07:11] <elky> she who has been quietly courting faux acceptance over the past few weeks. it's gone beyond a casual dropping by, and is now at the point of downright creepy
[07:12] <Flannel> elky: Is she actually active there?
[07:12] <wgrant> Yes.
[07:12] <wgrant> Now, at least.
[07:13] <Flannel> interesting.  I think that's the only channel she joins that Ive seen her talk in for at least two months
[07:13] <Nafallo> uk as well
[07:13] <Flannel> She's in -au and -uk?  thats sort of odd.
[07:14] <Flannel> oh, hmm, nevermind
[07:14] <elky> she's from NYC, so yes.
[07:14]  * Flannel wonders how many other colonies she's in.
[07:14] <Myrtti> She pmd me last night,bad timing. Might have something to do with upcoming cc meet?
[07:15]  * Flannel wonders when some people will watch the poisonous people lecture.
[07:16]  * wgrant injects some poison into Flannel.
[07:16]  * Flannel is now poisonous.
[07:16] <Flannel> Wait, are we playing croquet?
[07:16] <wgrant> Correct.
[07:16] <wgrant> To both.
[07:16] <wgrant> She seems to be rather silent now.
[07:17] <Flannel> oh goody.  I get to kill people now.
[07:18]  * elky wonders how long until she comes here with her crocodile tears act.
[07:18] <Nafallo> sleep time
[07:18] <Nafallo> tired
[07:19]  * Flannel wonders why she's stolen tears from crocodiles.
[07:19] <Flannel> what is she tearing up over anyway?
[07:22] <elky> our apparant cruelty for wanting her to play by our rules... not her convenient interpretation of our rules
[07:23] <Flannel> so, she's living in the past.
[07:23] <Flannel> and milking it for all its worth.
[07:23] <elky> yup
[07:24] <wgrant> As they do.
[07:24] <elky> indeed
[07:29] <Myrtti> If shane_ turns up, tell him wait 24h. Am heading for hotel breakfast soon
[07:29] <elky> why are you in a hotel anyway?
[07:31] <Myrtti> Assembly demoparty /lanfest where Flug /uf have linux helpdesk. And Ive got my last day of holiday this year.
[07:32] <elky> ah cool
[07:32] <Myrtti> 86 one night, but this is worth it.
[07:32] <elky> :)
[07:32]  * elky huggles Myrtti
[07:32] <Myrtti> assembly.org
[07:33] <nalioth> Myrtti is at a thousand person party
[07:33] <Myrtti> 5000 i think
[07:33] <nalioth> well, that's even better
[07:34] <Myrtti> Gonna blog about it when I get home
[07:34] <Myrtti> Took some pics for it already, are in Flickr
[07:37] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hi hi
[07:37] <Myrtti> Morning
[07:37] <Myrtti> I couldve slept  hour more...
[07:37] <Myrtti> :-(
[07:38] <Myrtti> When are peeps leavin, tm_t?
[07:39] <Tm_T> no idea
[07:39] <Tm_T> I'm stayinh til 14 I think atleast
[07:40] <Myrtti> Ill get some breakfast, peep in and say hi and come back here and sleep for a mo more
[07:40] <Myrtti> I has headache
[07:41] <Flannel> Myrtti: stop looking at computer screens
[07:41] <Myrtti> Tm_T muista LÄÄKKEET!
[07:41] <Myrtti> Täytyy syödä kala!
[07:42] <Myrtti> Flannel lol. Am on phone now
[07:43] <Flannel> Myrtti: take a break from electronics.  Go eat your breakfast in peace.
[07:44] <Myrtti> I had to tell tmt my plans... Hes at the venue and has stayed awake last might... :-/
[07:47] <Myrtti> Right. Talk to you later
[07:58] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hugs :)
[08:51] <wgrant> Not quite.
[08:55] <gnomefreak> i guess smallfoot didnt show back up yet
[09:09] <elky> operative word being 'yet'
[09:48] <stdin> for you people that want know how to use all the command in Bantracker: http://jussi01.com/stdin/plugin.cgi?name=Bantracker
[09:53] <gnomefreak> stdin: thanks
[09:54] <bazhang> stdin, thanks! :)
[10:19] <Myrtti> Merh
[10:44] <bazhang> champion in ot
[10:50] <Myrtti> Yay, ompaul
[10:52] <ompaul> moinnnnnnnnnnn
[10:52]  * ompaul considers the distance to the cooker
[10:53]  * ompaul considers a pot some oats and water mix with a view to some kind of food
[10:56] <gnomefreak> he looks like he is one to keep watching
[10:56] <bazhang> yup
[10:56] <gnomefreak> ompaul: you on the IRC council by chance?
[10:56] <gnomefreak> we need weekend ops in -ot
[10:57]  * gnomefreak watching for a few just until i get out of compile into build
 can someone teach me how to hack?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> i see it
[11:01] <gnomefreak> so far answer was a good one
[11:01] <bazhang> he is just trying to push all limits in both channels
[11:02] <gnomefreak> both?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> what other channel?
[11:02] <bazhang> #ubuntu
[11:03] <gnomefreak> anyone care if i just remove him to further protect the channels?
[11:03] <bazhang> he is quiet now, but going offtopic and had to be warned
[11:03] <gnomefreak> yeah i know bad but helpful
[11:03] <bazhang> likely need to catch him in the act :)
[11:04] <gnomefreak> well if needed ill be here for a couple more minutes
[11:04] <bazhang> :)
[11:06] <ompaul> gnomefreak, I am not
[11:06] <gnomefreak> oh :(
[11:06] <gnomefreak> i vote you to be on it, now you should be on it ;)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> -ot has been hell for the most part this weekend
[11:07] <ompaul> gnomefreak, I have ops for -ot
[11:07] <ompaul> let me look
[11:07] <ompaul> will return to breakfast when it is ready ;-)
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ompaul: ok give him time to screw up. we know what he meant by hacking since he cant compile a C program i have to assume he meant illegal hacking
[11:08] <ompaul> these guys see no ops and wonder
[11:08] <gnomefreak> they need to look harder :)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i had to remove someone yesterday and they than played by rules
[11:09] <ompaul> yeap
[11:09] <bazhang> smallfoot?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> nope
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i dont remember who it was but under that nick it wasnt
[11:09] <ompaul> !hacker
[11:09] <gnomefreak> he hasnt shown up yet to ask about ban again
[11:15] <gnomefreak> good way to get him started on abusing the bot ;)
[11:16] <ompaul> na we have to be nice
[11:18] <gnomefreak> hes been warned already before
[11:23] <gnomefreak> later guys ;)
[11:28] <bazhang> :) cya
[11:33] <ompaul> cheers gnomefreak
[11:33] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:34] <ompaul> @bt-login
[11:34] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:34] <ompaul> !u
[11:34] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:34] <ompaul> !forget u
[11:35] <bazhang> @whoami
[11:35]  * ompaul pokes ubottu with a cluestick
[11:35] <ompaul> !!
[11:35] <bazhang> need to @login
[11:35] <ompaul> @whoami
[11:35] <bazhang> hmm
[11:35] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:35] <ompaul> !u
[11:35] <ompaul> bazhang, please change spelling of officier to officer
[11:38] <bazhang> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun. If you want to be taken more seriously, please type out the extra letters in "you". The same goes for "are", "why", "because", and so on.
[11:38] <bazhang> !u
[11:38] <bazhang> weird
[11:39] <ompaul> !u is bar
[11:39] <ompaul> !no u is bar
[11:39] <ompaul> !forget u
[11:39] <ompaul> !u
[11:40] <ompaul> jussi01, ^^ help officer not officier
[11:40] <bazhang> dinner time; back in a bit :)
[11:41] <ompaul> ack
[11:48] <stdin> @reload Encyclopedia
[11:48] <stdin> ompaul: try now
[11:48] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:49] <ompaul> stdin, thank
[11:49] <ompaul> s
[12:11] <ompaul> stdin, ehh can you remove this
 @kick elky test
 ompaul: Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-offtopic,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[12:14] <stdin> @disable Channel kick
[12:25] <ompaul> stdin, you get gold stars for that :)
[12:25] <jpds> ****
[12:27] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:28] <elky> Pici, new comic
[12:47] <ompaul> rambo3, who did what where when etc
[12:53] <jpds> Floodbots appeared to have failed to mute hishamfathi.
[14:04] <elky> ompaul, you didnt bore mr future enough
[14:19] <ompaul> seems I went away
[14:36] <ompaul> what is the removal of +d #ubuntu-offtopic Rayme?Chan
[14:38] <ompaul> elky, ^^ tomaw
[14:38] <ompaul> jussi01, ^^
[14:38] <ompaul> mez LjL  ^^
[14:39] <ompaul> i.e. help
[14:39] <ompaul> I used to be able to do this my brain is not working
[14:39] <tomaw> /mode #ubuntu-offtopic -d Rayme?Chan
[14:39] <ompaul> DOH!
[14:39] <ompaul> thanks tom
[14:39] <ompaul> tomaw even
[14:39] <tomaw> np
[14:40] <ompaul> I forgot cos I have too much scripted :-/
[15:22] <Myrtti> hello
[15:32] <Myrtti> 17:31 @,- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu was synced in 107 secs
[16:03]  * Myrtti sighs
[16:05] <Seeker`> whats wrong?
[16:08] <Myrtti> feet hurt, having a headache and feeling blue
[16:09] <Seeker`> :(
[16:09] <Seeker`> that sucks
[16:36] <jpds> nickrud: Oops, wrong fella.
[16:36] <nickrud> yeah, saw that
[16:36]  * nickrud slaps lazy left hand
[16:38] <nickrud> msg'd him, with an apology
[16:56]  * jussi01 walks in
[16:56]  * jussi01 is tired
[18:45] <seanw> Just removed the pennergame spammer hope that is okay
[18:46] <jussi01> seanw: sounds good to me :)
[18:54] <Tm_T> hi kids
[18:54]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti 
[19:35] <fyrestrtr> is b|0sCrasher another bot?
[19:37] <jussi01> fyrestrtr: where?
[19:38] <fyrestrtr> in #ubuntu
[19:40] <fyrestrtr> thanks
[19:40] <nickrud> nalioth dealt with it
[19:40] <jussi01> ok
[19:40] <Pici> fyrestrtr: in the future.... call the ops in the right channel.
[19:40] <Pici> its a waste of ours and your time to do that in -offtopic.
[19:41] <fyrestrtr> noted.
[19:41] <fyrestrtr> thanks again.
[19:41] <Flannel> fyrestrtr: you could always call it in here if you think the highlights would help
[19:42] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, that's a thought :)
[19:42] <Pici> no...
[19:42] <Pici> calling ops in here is like super emergency mode.
[19:43] <nickrud> and requires finding out where. Doing it in the right channel saves much effort on the part of ops, thank you very much :)
[19:43]  * Flannel is groggy, not thinking straight.
[19:43] <Flannel> yes, indeed.  do it in the channel :)
[19:43] <Tm_T> also using | reason
[19:44] <Tm_T> like !foops | flannel said it right!!11
[19:44]  * Tm_T hides
[19:44] <Flannel> and then we all wake up, verify the complaint, (know which channel it is already)
[19:44] <Flannel> and then ban me!
 /cs kb Flannel  </virtual>
[20:17] <Tm_T> fyrestrtr: anything else we can help you with?
[20:17] <nalioth> nobody talks any more?
[20:18] <ikonia> nalioth: where ?
[20:18] <nalioth>  #ubuntu
[20:18] <ikonia> nalioth: seems quite busy
[20:19] <ikonia> Flannel: are you talking to zod21 ?
[20:19] <Flannel> ikonia: No, gnea
[20:19] <ikonia> Flannel: I'll speak to zod21 then
[20:19] <Flannel> ikonia: sounds good
[20:20] <Pici> gardar: Can we help you?
[20:21] <Flannel> Pici: he's forwarded here.  see his comments
[20:23] <nalioth> flannel removed him, ikonia went back and kicked him
[20:23] <nalioth> no talking
[20:24] <Flannel> ikonia: he means coming here and talking
[20:24] <ikonia> ahh
[20:24] <Gnea> Flannel: ok
[20:24] <ikonia> nalioth: that was seconds apart
[20:25] <Tm_T> fyrestrtr: wake up, son
[20:25] <Flannel> nalioth: It actually was two people.  one with an underscore
[20:25] <Flannel> Gnea: There's absolutely no reason why you need to provoke someone, regardless of their behavior
[20:25] <Gnea> Flannel: i wasn't trying to provoke anyone.
[20:25] <Flannel> Gnea: In the future, leave out the "welcome to ignore" comments, and you'll be fine.
[20:26]  * Flannel could swear he's already said this.
[20:28] <Gnea> Flannel: and i'm not fine how? the guy had a chip on his shoulder. i can handle not saying anything about placing someone on /ignore in a public forum, that's not the issue. i asked you how YOU would've handled it differently, and all you can tell me is what part of what i did shouldn't be repeated in the future. thank you for the advice.
[20:28] <nalioth> no, i mean PM'g the guy about how we're here to communicate, not vituperation
[20:29] <Flannel> Gnea: He didn't have a chip on the shoulder until you provoked him.  He was merely offtopic in #ubuntu, not offensive, not combative.
[20:30] <ikonia> nalioth: the comment he made - in my opinion warrented removing and discussion away from the channel, as the situation with gnea and the zod21 was growing in tension, and as he has yet to repond to a pm request I feel reasonably confident it was the right thing to do
[20:30] <Flannel> Gnea: call offtopic on him, if he continued to be offtopic, the ops would've dealt with him.
[20:31] <Gnea> Flannel: someone else already did, it seemed inappropriate to repeat it.
[20:31] <Flannel> Gnea: Theres nothing wrong with just walking away, you don't need to encourage him
[20:31] <Gnea> true.
[20:32] <Flannel> Gnea: thats all I'm getting at.
[20:32] <Gnea> Flannel: walking away from the situation is, funny enough, something that I tend to encourage from time to time. Perhaps I should follow my own advice on this as well.
[20:33] <Flannel> Gnea: We all lapse occassionally.  Its no big deal.
[20:33] <Gnea> Flannel: Thank you.
[20:34] <Gnea> and, thank you everyone else.
[20:34] <Flannel> nalioth: he (zod) was directly abusive to a member of the community, and was already offtopic and warned a few times.
[20:34] <ikonia> nalioth: now that gnea has left, I'm open to critisism/advice on how that could have been delt with better ?
[20:35] <ikonia> didn't want to discuss it infront of one of the users in question
[20:38] <nalioth> we're becoming #debian
[20:39] <ikonia> nalioth: ok, so as I said, a little advice/guideline on how to deal with that better would be most welcome
[20:40] <Flannel> nalioth: I don't see how that's the case (or at least, relevant to this situation)
[20:40] <nalioth> definitely going toward #debian
[20:41] <ikonia> nalioth: ok, well some feedback and advice is welcome
[20:41] <nalioth> zod21> hey anyone in here ever used a mac   and the response was !ot and !anyone
[20:41] <ikonia> nalioth: they where user responses, that can be delt with in PM
[20:42] <Flannel> The offtopic was inappropriate in that situation, the anyone... not so much.
[20:42] <nalioth> well, you DO know that Ubuntu runs on Macs
[20:42] <ikonia> a mac is a valid hardware platform for x86 and ppc
[20:42] <ikonia> sure yes, it's a valid platform
[20:43] <Flannel> nalioth: Yes, which is why it wasn't offtopic.
[20:43] <ikonia> as I said, that was a user response I believe
[20:43] <Flannel> "anyone use a mac" though, does garner a !anyone
[20:43] <ikonia> Flannel: but I see nalioth's point on that "zod21 lots of people use macs, what problem are you having"
[20:43] <ikonia> more personal than a factoid
[20:44] <Flannel> ikonia: I agree, and I often type stuff out instead of factoids, but again, thats individuals, not channel policy
[20:44] <ikonia> Flannel: exactly, that was a random user in the channels respose
[20:44] <nickrud> it's difficult to control individual's response.
[20:44] <ikonia> and as I said that can be delt with in pm "not so quick on the factoids etc etc"
[20:45] <Mez> @schedule london
[20:46] <Mez> ew, CC meeting at 11pm ? :(
[20:46] <ikonia> jolt cola is your friend
[20:46] <Mez> They don't have that here.
[20:47] <ikonia> Mez: http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/aaasmt/index.php
[20:47] <Mez> PriceChild / elky_work / nalioth - is the nominations being dealt with in that? or at another time?
[20:47] <Mez> ikonia, I know what it is.
[20:47] <ikonia> Mez: BIG can / multi-packs / single cans, place your orde
[20:47]  * Nafallo is pretty sure he've seen Jolt in London
[20:47] <ikonia> Mez: thats a link to buy it, not "what it is"
[20:48] <ikonia> Nafallo: I've got a can in my bag along with "slurm" from london at the weekend
[20:48] <Nafallo> I'm mostly running on relentless those days though ;-)
[20:48] <nickrud> slurm?
[20:48] <Mez> ikonia, to be fair, if It's anything like red bull cola .. :(
[20:48] <ikonia> nickrud: futurama drink
[20:48] <Mez> Nafallo, yeah, same here
[20:48] <nickrud> ah
[20:49] <ikonia> Mez: pretty much the same thing
[20:49] <ikonia> Mez: a little more "pepsi" taste though , less tinny
[20:50] <Nafallo> another really awesome one are '24' :-)
[21:07] <PriceChild> Mez: another time.
[21:07] <PriceChild> Mez: hopefully close to having a clear agreed process to document to the ML with final dates.
[22:04] <jpds> !xmms
[22:04] <nalioth> gardar: can we help you?
[22:05] <nickrud> !idle | gardar (since nalioth is too nice ;)
[22:06] <nickrud> ah, crap, not again!
[22:06] <nickrud> forget idle | gardar (since nalioth
[22:06] <gardar> hm nope nalioth, I've no idea why im here
[22:06] <nickrud> !forget idle | gardar (since nalioth
[22:12] <nalioth> gardar: please see the /topic
[22:12] <gardar> hm
[22:12] <gardar> still don't understand how I got here
[22:13] <nickrud> @btlogin
[22:14] <nickrud> gardar you have a forward registered for you here: He has been warned multiple times to fix his away. Said he would do so, and still hasn't. Feel free to remove this once fixed (or if there are other circumstances, this isn't really a high priority banforward)
[22:15] <gardar> oh about that... well yea, haven't exactly had time for that
[22:16] <nickrud> gardar well, find some time I guess ;)
[22:16] <gardar> yea will do asap
[22:56] <Myrtti> @now Helsinki
[22:56] <Myrtti> oh - right.
[22:56] <jussi01> mrgh
[22:56] <jussi01> and Im still up..
[22:57] <Myrtti> I just woke up
[22:58] <Myrtti> I'm happy, didn't have any dreams
[23:00] <Pici> :/
[23:05] <jussi01> Pici: ?
[23:07] <Kcaj> can test me?
[23:11] <jpds> He's okay. Floodbots tested him.
[23:11] <Flannel> Ban was already removed
[23:28] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2729982644/
[23:28]  * Myrtti sees a typo
[23:29]  * Myrtti doesn't see it anymore
[23:39] <nalioth> Invisible Typo ?
[23:53] <Flannel> bother on p.u.c being down
[23:54] <Pici> I prefer using apt-file and rmadison, its faster than looking on p.u.c, for me at least.
[23:56] <Flannel> whats rmadison?
[23:59] <Pici> its for finding out what packages exists across all the ubuntu repositories.
[23:59] <Flannel> so, apt-cache basically?
[23:59] <Pici> so... rmadison pidgin, will tell me all the package versions, across, all the repos, including -updates, -backports, etc.