[00:10] <RaverWild> hello. first time trying xubuntu - today few hours ago downloadded and burned the alternate cd. just tried installing and could not finish install - felt on "select and install software" step, percent 6%. anyone with similar problem? dont wanna try live cds for now.
[00:12] <TheSheep> RandyboY: have you checked the cd for defects? there is an option for that at the beginning
[00:14] <RaverWild> TheSheep, guess that was for me. well havent. i was thinking same thing.
[00:14] <RaverWild> by the way how are the cd images compiled? per hour basis?
[00:14] <TheSheep> RaverWild: if it fails, make sure you burn it with the slowest possible speed -- old cd drives have sometimes trouble reading cds burned with high speeds
[00:15] <TheSheep> !schedule | RaverWild
[00:16] <RaverWild> TheSheep ok. what then -- reinstall from scratch?
[00:17] <TheSheep> RaverWild: you still have the install running?
[00:17] <TheSheep> RaverWild: it just stopped?
[00:17] <RaverWild> no. i am on the same machine -- needed to boot windows to get some help
[00:18] <TheSheep> RaverWild: if the cd has no defects, it might be something else
[00:18] <TheSheep> RaverWild: how much ram does that computer have?
[00:19] <RaverWild> 512mb
[00:19] <TheSheep> hat's plenty :)
[00:19] <phasegen> I've got a tough one.  Live cd works well, using it right now as a matter of fact.  But when I install, it won't boot into gnome, it shows the xubuntu logo with progress bar, but when it switches to the xserver, I get a blank screen, and it won't respond to anything except switching the power off.  My computer is a dell inspiron laptop with a 2.4ghz processor, 512mb of RAM, and is running the intel i845 graphics chip.
[00:19] <TheSheep> that's
[00:20] <TheSheep> phasegen: tried the recovery mode?
[00:35] <phasegen> i got disconnected, did my question get through?
[00:36] <phasegen> satellite internet stinks
[00:36] <phasegen> i will repost my question.  here it is...
[00:36] <phasegen> ﻿I've got a tough one.  Live cd works well, using it right now as a matter of fact.  But when I install, it won't boot into gnome, it shows the xubuntu logo with progress bar, but when it switches to the xserver, I get a blank screen, and it won't respond to anything except switching the power off.  My computer is a dell inspiron laptop with a 2.4ghz processor, 512mb of RAM, and is running the intel i845 graphics chip.
[00:37] <phasegen> that's an inspiron 1100, and the cpu is a celeron
[00:53] <blaked> heh
[02:20] <NathanScrivener> anybody know how to change the icon for a launcher on the desktop?
[04:51] <sliverchair> another help making usb work with Ubuntu 7.10, please?
[04:52] <sliverchair> sorry wrong channel
[06:06] <MrNaz> does xfce do mouse trails?
[08:48] <neur1> thanks
[10:28] <slow-motion> hi
[13:20] <Bill_MI> Hi folks.  Any opinions on gvfs?  Does xubuntu avoid it?  I'm finding gvfs in things that make no sense.
[13:23] <Bill_MI> For example... just getting properties of a *.desktop Link-To file... gvfs runs out to get headers.
[13:27] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: you could probably use gkeyfile (or was it gkay) from glib for that
[13:27] <TheSheep> anyways, gvfs is much more modular and lightweight than gnomevfs
[13:27] <Bill_MI> Hi TheSheep!  We talked a few weeks ago and I really appreciate the help...
[13:27] <TheSheep> glad to hear that
[13:28] <Bill_MI> I have xubuntu-desktop installed....
[13:29] <Bill_MI> ...in Ubuntu that is.  It does none of this stuff.  gvfs seems to be tied to Nautilus?  It's rather fuzzy.
[13:29] <TheSheep> no, it's nautilus that's tied to gvfs
[13:29] <TheSheep> not the other way around, although they migth have packaged some parts together
[13:30] <TheSheep> conceptually, gvfs is supposed to be desktop-independent
[13:30] <Bill_MI> What exactly does gkeyfile do?
[13:30] <TheSheep> it reads text files similar to window's ini files
[13:30] <TheSheep> all the .desktop files have this format
[13:31] <Bill_MI> Yes, I noticed the strange display of .desktop file names... and heir real filename....
[13:31] <Bill_MI> So it's a specialized text editor?
[13:33] <TheSheep> no, it's a programming library containing functions for parsing these files
[13:33] <Bill_MI> OK, sounds a bit beyind where I want to go. :-)
[13:34] <TheSheep> gvfs is a programming library for accessing files on various filesystems
[13:34] <TheSheep> so I assumed we are talking about libraries here
[13:34] <Bill_MI> Sorry, I'd like to clarify....
[13:34] <Bill_MI> I have a .desktop file....
[13:35] <Bill_MI> It may be on the desktop or somewhere else....
[13:36] <Bill_MI> If I launch it in ubuntu-desktop, I can see (packet sniff) gvfs running out to get headers before launching Firefox.
[13:36] <Bill_MI> This doesn't happen in XFCE4 desktop.
[13:36] <Bill_MI> If I just get properties... same darn thing.
[13:37] <TheSheep> what do you mean by 'gvfs running out'?
[13:37] <Bill_MI> Now... why is a file system doing this?
[13:37] <TheSheep> running out?
[13:37] <TheSheep> you mean like milk?
[13:38] <Bill_MI> Wireshark packet sniffing.... web access HEAD from something identifying itself as gvfs
[13:38] <Bill_MI> What's that called... a browser identifying itself.
[13:38] <TheSheep> ah, it doeas a HEAD http request
[13:39] <Bill_MI> Yes.  When just getting properties of a .desktop.
[13:39] <TheSheep> it checks whether the file exists and if it changed
[13:39] <Bill_MI> A web page.... ok.... doesn't that seem strange?
[13:39] <TheSheep> I suppose it tries to get the modification date for display this way
[13:40] <Bill_MI> Actually, if the site doesn't reply it sits there doing nothing for 30 &^%$ seconds! LOL
[13:40] <Bill_MI> When I switch to xfce4 session this all goes away.
[13:41] <Bill_MI> IS this Thunar vs Nautilus?
[13:41] <TheSheep> yes
[13:41] <TheSheep> thunar reads .desktop files by itself, and does no magic
[13:43] <Bill_MI> This seems strange... accessing a site just to edit properties of a shortcut to it.
[13:43] <Bill_MI> I like the sound of Thunar.  Nautilus seems like it's into things I'd rather it not be.
[13:43] <TheSheep> i's a library for abstracting remote access to files, after all
[13:45] <Bill_MI> I'm getting the idea... but it's disconcerting integrating web browsing and file management.
[13:46] <Bill_MI> Sounds like an invitation to exploits.
[13:48] <Bill_MI> Another disconnect I get is editing files on NTFS drive using gedit.
[13:49] <Bill_MI> I mounted in fstab... which may be the disconnect with Nautilus?
[13:49] <shane_> anyone seen oddrational on lately
[13:49] <Bill_MI> ...and how it handles files?
[13:50] <Bill_MI> I'm in xfce now, I need to test it here.
[13:50] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: yes, ntfs is mounted using a fuse ntfs3g driver
[13:51] <Bill_MI> Oooops... it's a cifs mount.
[13:51] <TheSheep> so a network mount
[13:51] <Bill_MI> Yes.  in fstab.
[13:52] <Bill_MI> I thought it was gedit mishandling the Win/unix text file line differences.
[13:54] <Bill_MI> Testing with Mousepad
[13:55] <Bill_MI> Mousepad working good.... Nautilus/gedit cannot save the file over the old one.
[13:55] <Bill_MI> It can. however, save-as a new filename.  TRying to figure out why.
[13:57] <Bill_MI> I figured gvfs doesn't like something. :-)
[13:58] <Bill_MI> But if it mounts cifs in fstab is gvfs involved?
[14:00] <Bill_MI> I think I'm ready to just go xfce4.
[14:01] <TheSheep> no
[14:02] <Bill_MI> This is Ubuntu 8.04 with extra xubuntu-desktop loaded....
[14:02] <TheSheep> if you mount cifs in fstab it uses samba
[14:02] <Bill_MI> ok, cifs seems to be like a new name for sambafs/
[14:03] <Bill_MI> sambfs?
[14:03] <Bill_MI> smbfs!
[14:04] <Bill_MI> Sorry these things don't flow off my tongue^H^H^H^H^H^ fingers. :-)
[14:05] <Bill_MI> I just thought... maybe the backup file is the root of this problem I see.
[14:06] <Bill_MI> Anyway... what would happen if I uninstalled ubuntu-desktop?  Would I be same as xubuntu?
[14:07] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: more or less, yes
[14:08] <Bill_MI> I like simplicity... maybe I'll evolve into SlackWare :-)
[14:11] <Bill_MI> I think I proved smbfs and cifs behave identically. True?
[14:12] <Bill_MI> Either works the same in mount or fstab.
[14:14] <TheSheep> yes
[14:14] <TheSheep> if you like simplicity, try ArchLinux some day :)
[14:15] <TheSheep> it's pretty cute
[14:16] <Bill_MI> I tried fluxbox... THAT was a little too basic. :-)  What's ArchLinux standard desktop?
[14:18] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: I'm not sure, I always used it with xfce
[14:18] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: I think a lot of xfce devs use it
[14:19] <Bill_MI> I see the appeal of xfce... Gnome/Nautilus seems to be making things suoper complex.
[14:20] <TheSheep> yeah, xfce is back to win95 :)
[14:20] <Bill_MI> For me... NT 3.51 :-)
[14:20] <TheSheep> or earlier, when you still knew what directories you have on your hdd
[14:20] <Bill_MI> I skipped 95/98/ME entirely.
[14:21] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: I skipped everything after win98
[14:21] <TheSheep> and I'm still skipping
[14:21] <Bill_MI> LOL
[14:22] <Bill_MI> I came up in a company that was a big player in NT.
[14:22] <Bill_MI> We were one of the few running NT3 on the desktop.
[14:22] <TheSheep> neat
[14:23] <TheSheep> shame the os2 never really took off
[14:23] <Bill_MI> Yes... I was the hardware guy among prjects with lots of programmers.....
[14:23] <Bill_MI> ...they did a lot in os2
[14:24] <Bill_MI> I miss having experts nearby :(
[14:24] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: teller machines?
[14:24] <Bill_MI> How'd ya guess?  Burroughs/Unisys.
[14:24] <Bill_MI> That was one, for sure.
[14:24] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: I think that's the only area where os2 was widespread :)
[14:25] <Bill_MI> All the financial systems, pretty much.
[14:25] <Bill_MI> I was in check handling.
[14:25] <Bill_MI> PHYSICAL check handling... which is why I'm no longer needed.
[14:26] <Bill_MI> High speed sorting.
[14:26] <TheSheep> wow
[14:26] <TheSheep> I *love* to watch these sorts of machines :)
[14:26] <TheSheep> they are sometimes built so cleverly
[14:27] <Bill_MI> We had a bloated monster doing 2600 checks/min.
[14:27] <Bill_MI> The workhorse was 2000
[14:27] <TheSheep> we should probably go to xubuntu-offtopic, you know?
[14:28] <Bill_MI> Sure, I'll test this new IRC client.
[14:58] <shane_> how do i install ndiswrapper in xubu hardy 8.04
[14:58] <TheSheep> hmm... there should be a howto
[14:58] <TheSheep> !wifi
[15:07] <hansengel> Hi, my computer just started up and connected to the wrong access point in my wifi network.. how can I force it to go to the other one?
[15:07] <TheSheep> hansengel: click on the network icon and select other access point
[15:08] <hansengel> only my network's SSID is on there - no access points
[15:10] <TheSheep> hansengel: you can select 'connect to other network' and enter ssid manually
[15:10] <hansengel> I'm going to try changing to manual instead of roaming
[15:11] <hansengel> oh, I think I got it - thanks
[15:24] <shane_> need help i installed driver for wireless network card in ndiswraper and the ran modprobe ndiswrapper and when i restarted i got the blue lockup screen HELP
[15:36] <shane_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/DWL-G510
[15:37] <shane_> these are the instructions i followed if anyone can help
[15:38] <TheSheep> shane_: blue screen?
[15:38] <TheSheep> shane_: when exactly does it appear?
[15:38] <shane_> after sighn in
[15:39] <shane_> i need to do ctrl alt f2 and run a comand to remove ndis from modprobe but i cant fig it out
[15:40] <TheSheep> shane_: what if you press 'alt+ctrl+backspace' on the blue screen and try to log in again?
[15:40] <shane_> 1 sec will try
[15:42] <shane_> i get a black screen and it does a few things gives ok's and stops on line 4
[15:42] <shane_> running local boot scripts is the last line it shows and the it just sitts
[15:45] <shane_> ok i know whats wrong i just dont know how to fix it was when i added it to /etc/modules i used gedit to add
[15:45] <shane_> iv had this prob before on kubuntu
[15:46] <TheSheep> shane_: you can edit files with 'nano' in the command line
[15:46] <TheSheep> shane_: e.g. nano /etc/modules
[15:49] <shane_> ok i removed it from etc now do i need to save or just restart
[15:49] <TheSheep> save with ctrl+x
[15:53] <shane_> ok im getting permision denied when i try and save
[15:55] <TheSheep> shane_: run nano with sudo before it
[15:56] <shane_> k
[15:56] <TheSheep> shane_: sudo nano /etc/modules
[15:56] <TheSheep> it will ask for password
[15:59] <shane_> sudo doesnt work it wont do a thing i ran (sudo nano /etc/modules and it just goes to fresh blank line
[16:08] <TheSheep> shane_: this is weird, it should run nano as root
[16:08] <shane_> thats what i thought also
[16:09] <TheSheep> that's the first user?
[16:09] <shane_> yah its the only user
[16:10] <TheSheep> does 'sudo -s' work?
[16:11] <shane_> im on the etc page now,i use ctrl k to remove ndiswrapper and the use ctrl x to save and it gives me a line of file name to right; /etc/modules
[16:13] <shane_> sudo -s doesnt work either
[16:16] <robf_> meh,  ok I got xubuntu on this laptop,   and iwconfig shows my wireless card,  but I can't figure out how to connect to my wireless network =\
[16:23] <TheSheep> robf_: click on the network icon next to the clock
[16:23] <TheSheep> robf_: and select the network you want to connect to
[16:23] <robf_> yeah,  done and done
[16:23] <robf_> no networks appear
[16:24] <robf_> but I mean I'm sitting right next to it,  its there,  my blackberry is connected, so Its gotta be the laptops issue.
[16:26] <robf_> not sure what the issue is though =\
[16:26] <shane_> do you have the right driver for ur card
[16:26] <robf_> not sure
[16:27] <shane_> im in the same boat right now
[16:27] <robf_> I figured it showing up in iwconfig was showing proper..
[16:27] <shane_> i added the right driver and now im in a stall
[16:27] <robf_> what card I got a bcm4318
[16:29] <robf_> but it appears it is the driver there
[16:29] <robf_> lsmod shows b43
[16:30] <robf_> which i assume(tm) is b[cm]43[18]
[16:30] <shane_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Hardy
[16:30] <shane_> try readin this it might be ur fix
[16:31] <robf_> bleh
[16:31] <robf_> stupid prop firmware
[16:31] <shane_> lol i got the dink g510 and its a prob one also
[16:31] <robf_> how can I just grab the packs
[16:32] <robf_> they're debs right?
[16:32] <robf_> cos I have no wired network for this
[16:32] <shane_> that link gives u the link for the packs
[16:32] <robf_> it gives me link to repos
[16:32] <robf_> not sure how to access those manually ;p
[16:32] <shane_> im not sure if u can"sudo apt-get them
[16:32] <robf_> well I can't,  unless I've network
[16:32] <robf_> which I have none without wireless..
[16:33] <shane_> ok well the one ur on now download and place on a mem stick and put in lap  that way
[16:33] <shane_> or plug in ur lan on lap
[16:33] <robf_> well yeah
[16:34] <shane_> thats what im stuck doin right now untill i get all the apps i need to solve my prob
[16:34] <robf_> I know,  but... it's just a list of repos,  I dunno oh dur
[16:34] <robf_> nvm
[16:34] <robf_> they made their links black
[16:34] <robf_> so I had no idea I could click'm heh
[16:35] <shane_> kk im off for a bit to work my other
[17:31] <maxrocks_1> Hello people.
[17:31] <maxrocks_1> So I got my computer hardware unfucked and upgraded, but it appears that in doing that, I have buttfucked my system :)
[17:31] <maxrocks_1> Ergo, I am running off of the CD, and I want to know how to view my drives and get a few files off of them.
[17:31] <maxrocks_1> w00t.
[17:35] <maxrocks_1> Hello comrades.
[17:36] <maxrocks_1> I am running Xubuntu from the CD and want to know how I can see my drives and just get a few files off of them before I re-do my system.
[17:41] <wols> df
[17:41] <wols> #what kind of drives?
[17:41] <wols> just use a any filemanager
[17:42] <wols> possibly mount the disks first if needed
[20:37] <LetsGo67> In (gtk-)recordmydesktop, I am unable to record any sound. Can someone help me fix this issue, please?
[20:44] <JinKazama> hi all ! :) how to make a shortcut from my keyboard ti run some application ? For example , with Ctrl+Alt+M I want to run Thunderbird Mail.
[20:45] <vinnl> JinKazama, in the Settings Manager, click Keyboard
[20:45] <vinnl> Then check the Shortcuts tab
[20:50] <JinKazama> I adde тхе цомманд бут хов то адд тхе схорцут ?
[20:50] <JinKazama> ops... sorry
[20:50] <JinKazama> I add the command but how to add the shortcyt?
[20:52] <vinnl> JinKazama, a dialog pops up after you've added the command, you can then press the desired keys
[20:53] <JinKazama> o. yes. done :) thank you vinnl :)
[20:53] <vinnl> No problem JinKazama  :)
[21:09] <JinKazama> ok , :) byt what is the command do show the desktop? to minimalize all open window ?
[21:09] <JinKazama> :)
[21:09] <TheSheep> you can set it in window manager settings
[21:09] <TheSheep> that's not a command, it's an internal shortcut
[21:10] <TheSheep> by default alt+ctrl+d
[21:10] <JinKazama> oh yes :) thank you TheSheep :)
[21:46] <slow-motion> n8