[00:10] hello. first time trying xubuntu - today few hours ago downloadded and burned the alternate cd. just tried installing and could not finish install - felt on "select and install software" step, percent 6%. anyone with similar problem? dont wanna try live cds for now. [00:12] RandyboY: have you checked the cd for defects? there is an option for that at the beginning [00:14] TheSheep, guess that was for me. well havent. i was thinking same thing. [00:14] by the way how are the cd images compiled? per hour basis? [00:14] RaverWild: if it fails, make sure you burn it with the slowest possible speed -- old cd drives have sometimes trouble reading cds burned with high speeds [00:15] !schedule | RaverWild [00:15] RaverWild: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [00:16] TheSheep ok. what then -- reinstall from scratch? [00:17] RaverWild: you still have the install running? [00:17] RaverWild: it just stopped? [00:17] no. i am on the same machine -- needed to boot windows to get some help [00:18] RaverWild: if the cd has no defects, it might be something else [00:18] RaverWild: how much ram does that computer have? [00:19] 512mb [00:19] hat's plenty :) [00:19] I've got a tough one. Live cd works well, using it right now as a matter of fact. But when I install, it won't boot into gnome, it shows the xubuntu logo with progress bar, but when it switches to the xserver, I get a blank screen, and it won't respond to anything except switching the power off. My computer is a dell inspiron laptop with a 2.4ghz processor, 512mb of RAM, and is running the intel i845 graphics chip. [00:19] that's [00:20] phasegen: tried the recovery mode? [00:35] i got disconnected, did my question get through? [00:36] satellite internet stinks [00:36] i will repost my question. here it is... [00:36] I've got a tough one. Live cd works well, using it right now as a matter of fact. But when I install, it won't boot into gnome, it shows the xubuntu logo with progress bar, but when it switches to the xserver, I get a blank screen, and it won't respond to anything except switching the power off. My computer is a dell inspiron laptop with a 2.4ghz processor, 512mb of RAM, and is running the intel i845 graphics chip. [00:37] that's an inspiron 1100, and the cpu is a celeron [00:53] heh [02:20] anybody know how to change the icon for a launcher on the desktop? [04:51] another help making usb work with Ubuntu 7.10, please? [04:52] sorry wrong channel === emma_ is now known as emma [06:06] does xfce do mouse trails? === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [08:48] thanks [10:28] hi === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [13:20] Hi folks. Any opinions on gvfs? Does xubuntu avoid it? I'm finding gvfs in things that make no sense. [13:23] For example... just getting properties of a *.desktop Link-To file... gvfs runs out to get headers. [13:27] Bill_MI: you could probably use gkeyfile (or was it gkay) from glib for that [13:27] anyways, gvfs is much more modular and lightweight than gnomevfs [13:27] Hi TheSheep! We talked a few weeks ago and I really appreciate the help... [13:27] glad to hear that [13:28] I have xubuntu-desktop installed.... [13:29] ...in Ubuntu that is. It does none of this stuff. gvfs seems to be tied to Nautilus? It's rather fuzzy. [13:29] no, it's nautilus that's tied to gvfs [13:29] not the other way around, although they migth have packaged some parts together [13:30] conceptually, gvfs is supposed to be desktop-independent [13:30] What exactly does gkeyfile do? [13:30] it reads text files similar to window's ini files [13:30] all the .desktop files have this format [13:31] Yes, I noticed the strange display of .desktop file names... and heir real filename.... [13:31] So it's a specialized text editor? [13:33] no, it's a programming library containing functions for parsing these files [13:33] OK, sounds a bit beyind where I want to go. :-) [13:34] gvfs is a programming library for accessing files on various filesystems [13:34] so I assumed we are talking about libraries here [13:34] Sorry, I'd like to clarify.... [13:34] I have a .desktop file.... [13:35] It may be on the desktop or somewhere else.... [13:36] If I launch it in ubuntu-desktop, I can see (packet sniff) gvfs running out to get headers before launching Firefox. [13:36] This doesn't happen in XFCE4 desktop. [13:36] If I just get properties... same darn thing. [13:37] what do you mean by 'gvfs running out'? [13:37] Now... why is a file system doing this? [13:37] running out? [13:37] you mean like milk? [13:38] Wireshark packet sniffing.... web access HEAD from something identifying itself as gvfs [13:38] What's that called... a browser identifying itself. [13:38] ah, it doeas a HEAD http request [13:39] Yes. When just getting properties of a .desktop. [13:39] it checks whether the file exists and if it changed [13:39] A web page.... ok.... doesn't that seem strange? [13:39] I suppose it tries to get the modification date for display this way [13:40] Actually, if the site doesn't reply it sits there doing nothing for 30 &^%$ seconds! LOL [13:40] When I switch to xfce4 session this all goes away. [13:41] IS this Thunar vs Nautilus? [13:41] yes [13:41] thunar reads .desktop files by itself, and does no magic [13:43] This seems strange... accessing a site just to edit properties of a shortcut to it. [13:43] I like the sound of Thunar. Nautilus seems like it's into things I'd rather it not be. [13:43] i's a library for abstracting remote access to files, after all === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [13:45] I'm getting the idea... but it's disconcerting integrating web browsing and file management. [13:46] Sounds like an invitation to exploits. [13:48] Another disconnect I get is editing files on NTFS drive using gedit. [13:49] I mounted in fstab... which may be the disconnect with Nautilus? [13:49] anyone seen oddrational on lately [13:49] ...and how it handles files? [13:50] I'm in xfce now, I need to test it here. [13:50] Bill_MI: yes, ntfs is mounted using a fuse ntfs3g driver [13:51] Oooops... it's a cifs mount. [13:51] so a network mount [13:51] Yes. in fstab. [13:52] I thought it was gedit mishandling the Win/unix text file line differences. [13:54] Testing with Mousepad [13:55] Mousepad working good.... Nautilus/gedit cannot save the file over the old one. [13:55] It can. however, save-as a new filename. TRying to figure out why. [13:57] I figured gvfs doesn't like something. :-) [13:58] But if it mounts cifs in fstab is gvfs involved? [14:00] I think I'm ready to just go xfce4. [14:01] no [14:02] This is Ubuntu 8.04 with extra xubuntu-desktop loaded.... [14:02] if you mount cifs in fstab it uses samba [14:02] ok, cifs seems to be like a new name for sambafs/ [14:03] sambfs? [14:03] smbfs! [14:04] Sorry these things don't flow off my tongue^H^H^H^H^H^ fingers. :-) [14:05] I just thought... maybe the backup file is the root of this problem I see. [14:06] Anyway... what would happen if I uninstalled ubuntu-desktop? Would I be same as xubuntu? [14:07] Bill_MI: more or less, yes [14:08] I like simplicity... maybe I'll evolve into SlackWare :-) [14:11] I think I proved smbfs and cifs behave identically. True? [14:12] Either works the same in mount or fstab. [14:14] yes [14:14] if you like simplicity, try ArchLinux some day :) [14:15] it's pretty cute [14:16] I tried fluxbox... THAT was a little too basic. :-) What's ArchLinux standard desktop? [14:18] Bill_MI: I'm not sure, I always used it with xfce [14:18] Bill_MI: I think a lot of xfce devs use it [14:19] I see the appeal of xfce... Gnome/Nautilus seems to be making things suoper complex. [14:20] yeah, xfce is back to win95 :) [14:20] For me... NT 3.51 :-) [14:20] or earlier, when you still knew what directories you have on your hdd [14:20] I skipped 95/98/ME entirely. [14:21] Bill_MI: I skipped everything after win98 [14:21] and I'm still skipping [14:21] LOL [14:22] I came up in a company that was a big player in NT. [14:22] We were one of the few running NT3 on the desktop. [14:22] neat [14:23] shame the os2 never really took off [14:23] Yes... I was the hardware guy among prjects with lots of programmers..... [14:23] ...they did a lot in os2 [14:24] I miss having experts nearby :( [14:24] Bill_MI: teller machines? [14:24] How'd ya guess? Burroughs/Unisys. [14:24] That was one, for sure. [14:24] Bill_MI: I think that's the only area where os2 was widespread :) [14:25] All the financial systems, pretty much. [14:25] I was in check handling. [14:25] PHYSICAL check handling... which is why I'm no longer needed. [14:26] High speed sorting. [14:26] wow [14:26] I *love* to watch these sorts of machines :) [14:26] they are sometimes built so cleverly [14:27] We had a bloated monster doing 2600 checks/min. [14:27] The workhorse was 2000 [14:27] we should probably go to xubuntu-offtopic, you know? [14:28] Sure, I'll test this new IRC client. [14:58] how do i install ndiswrapper in xubu hardy 8.04 [14:58] hmm... there should be a howto [14:58] !wifi [14:58] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [15:07] Hi, my computer just started up and connected to the wrong access point in my wifi network.. how can I force it to go to the other one? [15:07] hansengel: click on the network icon and select other access point [15:08] only my network's SSID is on there - no access points [15:10] hansengel: you can select 'connect to other network' and enter ssid manually [15:10] I'm going to try changing to manual instead of roaming [15:11] oh, I think I got it - thanks [15:24] need help i installed driver for wireless network card in ndiswraper and the ran modprobe ndiswrapper and when i restarted i got the blue lockup screen HELP [15:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/DWL-G510 [15:37] these are the instructions i followed if anyone can help [15:38] shane_: blue screen? [15:38] shane_: when exactly does it appear? [15:38] after sighn in [15:39] i need to do ctrl alt f2 and run a comand to remove ndis from modprobe but i cant fig it out [15:40] shane_: what if you press 'alt+ctrl+backspace' on the blue screen and try to log in again? [15:40] 1 sec will try [15:42] i get a black screen and it does a few things gives ok's and stops on line 4 [15:42] running local boot scripts is the last line it shows and the it just sitts [15:45] ok i know whats wrong i just dont know how to fix it was when i added it to /etc/modules i used gedit to add [15:45] iv had this prob before on kubuntu [15:46] shane_: you can edit files with 'nano' in the command line [15:46] shane_: e.g. nano /etc/modules [15:49] ok i removed it from etc now do i need to save or just restart [15:49] save with ctrl+x [15:53] ok im getting permision denied when i try and save [15:55] shane_: run nano with sudo before it [15:56] k [15:56] shane_: sudo nano /etc/modules [15:56] it will ask for password [15:59] sudo doesnt work it wont do a thing i ran (sudo nano /etc/modules and it just goes to fresh blank line [16:08] shane_: this is weird, it should run nano as root [16:08] thats what i thought also [16:09] that's the first user? [16:09] yah its the only user [16:10] does 'sudo -s' work? [16:11] im on the etc page now,i use ctrl k to remove ndiswrapper and the use ctrl x to save and it gives me a line of file name to right; /etc/modules [16:13] sudo -s doesnt work either [16:16] meh, ok I got xubuntu on this laptop, and iwconfig shows my wireless card, but I can't figure out how to connect to my wireless network =\ [16:23] robf_: click on the network icon next to the clock [16:23] robf_: and select the network you want to connect to [16:23] yeah, done and done [16:23] no networks appear [16:24] but I mean I'm sitting right next to it, its there, my blackberry is connected, so Its gotta be the laptops issue. [16:26] not sure what the issue is though =\ [16:26] do you have the right driver for ur card [16:26] not sure [16:27] im in the same boat right now [16:27] I figured it showing up in iwconfig was showing proper.. [16:27] i added the right driver and now im in a stall [16:27] what card I got a bcm4318 [16:29] but it appears it is the driver there [16:29] lsmod shows b43 [16:30] which i assume(tm) is b[cm]43[18] [16:30] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Hardy [16:30] try readin this it might be ur fix [16:31] bleh [16:31] stupid prop firmware [16:31] lol i got the dink g510 and its a prob one also [16:31] how can I just grab the packs [16:32] they're debs right? [16:32] cos I have no wired network for this [16:32] that link gives u the link for the packs [16:32] it gives me link to repos [16:32] not sure how to access those manually ;p [16:32] im not sure if u can"sudo apt-get them [16:32] well I can't, unless I've network [16:32] which I have none without wireless.. [16:33] ok well the one ur on now download and place on a mem stick and put in lap that way [16:33] or plug in ur lan on lap [16:33] well yeah [16:34] thats what im stuck doin right now untill i get all the apps i need to solve my prob [16:34] I know, but... it's just a list of repos, I dunno oh dur [16:34] nvm [16:34] they made their links black [16:34] so I had no idea I could click'm heh [16:35] kk im off for a bit to work my other [17:31] Hello people. [17:31] So I got my computer hardware unfucked and upgraded, but it appears that in doing that, I have buttfucked my system :) [17:31] Ergo, I am running off of the CD, and I want to know how to view my drives and get a few files off of them. [17:31] w00t. [17:35] Hello comrades. [17:36] I am running Xubuntu from the CD and want to know how I can see my drives and just get a few files off of them before I re-do my system. [17:41] df [17:41] #what kind of drives? [17:41] just use a any filemanager [17:42] possibly mount the disks first if needed [20:37] In (gtk-)recordmydesktop, I am unable to record any sound. Can someone help me fix this issue, please? [20:44] hi all ! :) how to make a shortcut from my keyboard ti run some application ? For example , with Ctrl+Alt+M I want to run Thunderbird Mail. [20:45] JinKazama, in the Settings Manager, click Keyboard [20:45] Then check the Shortcuts tab [20:50] I adde тхе цомманд бут хов то адд тхе схорцут ? [20:50] ops... sorry [20:50] I add the command but how to add the shortcyt? [20:52] JinKazama, a dialog pops up after you've added the command, you can then press the desired keys [20:53] o. yes. done :) thank you vinnl :) [20:53] No problem JinKazama :) [21:09] ok , :) byt what is the command do show the desktop? to minimalize all open window ? [21:09] :) [21:09] you can set it in window manager settings [21:09] that's not a command, it's an internal shortcut [21:10] by default alt+ctrl+d [21:10] oh yes :) thank you TheSheep :) === aanderse_ is now known as aanderse [21:46] n8