/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/04/#kubuntu-devel.txt

mornfallRiddell: Hi.00:13
seelewhoa, Riddell on a weekend?00:18
=== Jucato_ is now known as Jucato
mornfallAnd goodnight.00:35
* mornfall passes out...00:35
yuriywiki.kubuntu.org broken? I get cyclic link errors02:30
yuriywiki.ubuntu.com works fine02:30
voriankubuntu.org works for me02:31
vorianwoah02:31
Jucatovorian: add the wiki. part02:31
Jucato:)O02:31
* vorian needs reading lessons02:31
vorian"KDE detected a link or series of links that results in an infinite loop"02:32
vorianlatest kde updates did not agree very well with my system03:48
nixternalhola04:03
vorianheya nixternal04:03
Jucatoolah04:03
Jucatoer.. aloh04:03
nixternalstupd ad password at work expired and I need to log into vpn to build a beta3 for testing tonight04:04
nixternaloh well, they will have to wait untill tomorrow04:04
vorianmaybe you can fix kde tonight?04:04
nixternalwhat's wrong with it?04:05
Jucatoit's fundamentally broken04:05
vorianthe last update, well, bricked04:05
Jucato:)04:05
nixternalon intrepid?04:05
voriankdm did not work04:05
vorianyes,04:05
voriankde will not start04:06
nixternalhrmm, still don't have an intrepid install around here04:06
vorianthat's about as far as I got04:06
nixternalmy dev desktop is broke and I need to get yet another mobo, cpu, and ram04:06
voriani know that with the latest builds, something changed with kde.mk/cdbs04:07
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skreechmiestervorian: KDM as well as KDE will not start?05:30
santhoshHi all07:54
santhoshkde-l10n-ml missing in kde4 of kubuntu ...07:54
santhoshhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/k/07:54
santhoshit is there in debian experimental http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kde/kde-l10n-ml07:55
santhoshcan somebody tell me how we missed it...?07:55
Tonio_hi there08:46
Tonio_kde4 broken here, is that known problem ?08:46
Tonio_all I can see in packages changelogs is a switch to cdbs kde4..... that shouldn't brek anything08:46
Tonio_strace konqueror shows like an  infinite loop....08:47
Tonio_s/brek/break08:49
gnomefreakits possible that cdbs broke something but i would think it would have caused a FTBFS not break anything after builds09:07
Tonio_gnomefreak: true that09:27
Tonio_gnomefreak: btw, I can confirm the current behavior on several machines09:27
Tonio_and only todays update causes that09:27
gnomefreaki just did alot of them this maybe an hour ago09:27
Tonio_and no issue on your side ?09:29
Tonio_I had to reboot to see that everything was just broken09:29
gnomefreakTonio_: havent booted to kde4 yet and since you say its broke i will trust you09:29
Tonio_:)09:30
gnomefreak:) i will most likely test it today09:30
Tonio_gnomefreak: well even kdm is broken here, so if it worked for you..... means that kde4 certainly works09:30
gnomefreakTonio_: you mean on hardy or intrepid its broke?09:30
gnomefreaki saw updates on intrepid09:31
Riddellhumph10:22
Jucatouh oh. that doesn't sound good :/10:22
gnomefreakits too early to think10:24
Jucatotell that to my Discrete Math homework :(10:25
gnomefreakim sure your in a later time zone if you are up and doing homework10:25
gnomefreakit ~050010:26
Jucatoany time is too early to think about sets and relations :(10:26
gnomefreakwell 5:2610:26
Jucatobut yes. 12 hours ahead of you10:26
gnomefreakJucato: true10:26
gnomefreakdinner time sounds good right after breakfast than bed right after dinner10:26
Jucatoer.. right :)10:27
gnomefreakmy trash wont empty10:27
_StefanS_hello10:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: wooah, long time no see :)10:28
Jucato_StefanS_!!!! omg!10:28
_StefanS_Jucato: !10:28
Jucatotell that to yourself! :)10:28
_StefanS_so how's things ?!10:28
_StefanS_yes, I know i'm the one who's been off :)10:28
Jucatodoing great. I haven't been "present" lately either :)10:28
JucatoI'm here digitally only but not mentally or spiritually10:29
_StefanS_oh, like always :)10:29
_StefanS_so hows the kde4 shaping for intrepid ?10:29
_StefanS_wondering if there was something I could help out with10:29
Jucatohm.. that I wouldn't know. I'm kinda clueless on what needs to be done still. though docs are definitely a huge todo, and I'm waiting for nixternal or jjesse for their plans ;)10:30
Riddelland now I can't even make a working chroot10:32
Jucato_StefanS_: the Todo list is above, though I'm not sure if the wiki.kubuntu.org cyclic problems have been resolved (you can use wiki.ubuntu.com)10:32
Riddellhumph10:32
_StefanS_Riddell: hey :)10:33
Jucatoouch :(10:33
_StefanS_Jucato: oka, I will look at it, maybe there's something I can do10:33
Jucatowiki.kubuntu.org is still "down"10:33
Tonio_Riddell: kde4 completly broken for me atm.... even kdm doesn't start since the rebuild for cdbs kde4.mk....10:34
Ash-FoxI am so fedup of stuff being down all the time :/10:34
Tonio_Riddell: aware of the issue ?10:34
RiddellTonio_: seem to be10:34
_StefanS_Tonio_: also broken here, all I get is a busy hour-glass and no kdm10:35
* Jucato is just upgrading now after 2-3 days.. will probably be joining the chorus soon10:35
RiddellJucato: I suggest not to10:36
Jucatohm. ok.. it's on my test laptop anyway.. but ok :)10:37
* Jucato cancels :)10:37
_StefanS_uhm, KubuntuIntrepidDefaults, things like the changes for kickoff and such, are they being worked on ?10:38
Riddell_StefanS_: not currently (except the favourites should be done), patches very welcome10:39
gnomefreakis amarok 1.86-0ubuntu2 pre release of 2.0?10:39
Jucatoregardig favorites, Kontact is still not there (2-3 days old)10:39
Jucatognomefreak: should be10:39
gnomefreakJucato: thanks for some reason i thought they released it10:39
Tonio_Riddell: I tried to strace konqueror, but all I get is a kind of infinite loop...10:40
Jucatognomefreak: alpha 2 to be exact10:40
Tonio_Riddell: no way to get a usable trace to debug10:40
gnomefreakah ok ande someone is using 3 already? that sound wrong10:40
RiddellJucato: wiki.k.o fixed10:41
JucatoRiddell: koolio. thanks :)10:41
* Jucato points vorian and yuriy ^^^ :)10:42
gnomefreakwhy does it look like amarok2 doesnt have engines packages all engine packages xine ect..10:44
gnomefreaksorry amarok-kde410:44
* Jucato got lost in the sentence10:44
gnomefreakJucato: ther eis np engine packages for amarok-kde410:45
gnomefreakdamn10:45
Jucato:D10:45
gnomefreakthere is no ...10:45
Jucatotoo early to type10:45
Jucatognomefreak: probably because amarok-kde4 needs only to depend on phonon?10:46
Jucatothen phonon takes care of the backend10:46
gnomefreaklibloudmouth1-0 libqt0-ruby1.810:46
gnomefreakno phonon package being installed so maybe the -desktop package installed it10:47
Jucatoyeah. kde4 depends on phonon. so it's probably already there10:47
gnomefreakyep thats how i got it :)10:48
Riddellwell, it doesn't seems to be to do with the cdbs change11:08
davmor2Riddell: That's really bad, what happened?11:14
Riddelldavmor2: no idea11:15
davmor2so no smoke testing today's iso then :)11:15
Riddelldavmor2: best not I guess :(11:19
Riddellhowever I've just got it to work, so maybe I will be able to track down what caused the problem11:19
davmor2Riddell: I'll have a look at live and see if it works11:19
Riddellhmm, I think I found the problem in my desktop translations patch11:32
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davmor2Riddell: on a plus side it seems to work from this mornings daily live iso :)12:01
Riddellgosh, really?12:01
davmor2Riddell: No I said it for effect ;) :P12:02
Riddelldavmor2: does folderview work?12:02
davmor2no there is no desktop on the desktop :)12:02
Riddellthis is clearly some definition of "work" which is different to that from which I have been used12:05
davmor2Riddell: as in there is no folder view Desktop on the actual desktop :P12:13
davmor2Riddell: You can't add it either which you could before :(12:23
thefish_hello12:24
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thefish_I updated 8.10 this morning and kde broke, apparently being worked on now - if anyone wants a guinea pig, i can test etc :)12:26
Riddellthefish_: you need to wait for kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7 to hit the archives12:29
davmor2Riddell: if you push out a new cd let me know :)12:30
thefish_Riddell: thanks :)12:31
thefish_it is up on some now, or still being made?12:32
Riddellthefish_: still compiling12:33
thefish_k, thanks :)12:33
Riddellhmm, kubuntu-default-settings is a mess13:21
apacheloggerRiddell: very true14:09
txwikingerwhat is wrong with kde4 when the mouse pointer does not show?14:09
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Tonio_Riddell: still working on making it simpler14:22
Tonio_Riddell: the problem is that I have to check setting by setting f it is still available and required for kde414:22
Tonio_Riddell: that'll take me a few days to complete the task...14:22
RiddellTonio_: well I just uploaded a version so make sure you bzr merge (or update)14:22
Tonio_Riddell: sure14:23
yuriystill not OK to upgrade?14:56
yuriyTonio_: isn't jontheechidna working on k-d-s?14:57
Tonio_yuriy: no idea15:00
yuriyyou were talking about that right ^^?15:00
Riddellhe was yes15:03
nixternalmornin'15:04
yuriyTonio_: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-on-kubuntu-intrepid-plasma.html15:04
Nightrose*nod*15:05
Nightrosesorry wrong channel15:06
yuriyhmm I think I'll take not wanting to shutting down for fear of having a broken KDE as an opporunity to test hibernate15:08
Riddell4.1.0-0ubuntu7 is now on the main archive site15:24
thefishRiddell: thanks, that update fixed it all15:29
Riddellyay15:31
thefishalthough now the system tray is gone :(15:32
thefishhehe15:32
apacheloggerhm, I think I like the new adept updater15:41
jjessethats in a ppa isn't it?15:41
Riddellyes ~mornfall15:41
jjessecoolthanks15:42
Riddellthefish: that system tray issue is a bit of a mystery15:54
thefishRiddell: wierd one, i have been moving it around, deleting, re-adding etc, and it re-appeared15:55
thefishstill has the issues with icons half-coloured though15:55
apacheloggerRiddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdeaccessibility_4.1.0-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff15:55
Riddellapachelogger: uploading16:00
apacheloggerthank you16:00
Riddellyay, compositing works again with new X16:01
Riddellso, I think I'll turn it on by default16:01
Riddelland see who complains16:01
yuriyRiddell: no blacklist/whitelist?16:01
apacheloggeruhh, that is gonna be funny :D16:02
yuriyor is that already built-in?16:02
apacheloggeryuriy: I think kwin has a builtin one16:02
apacheloggerat least it had at some point16:02
apacheloggerthinking abou tit16:03
Riddellit does but I'll replace it with the one from Ubuntu's compiz16:03
apacheloggerRiddell: I don't think turning it on by default is a good idea16:03
Riddellso it should break only as much as Ubuntu16:04
apacheloggerthe nvidia driver is still leaking memory big time16:04
apacheloggerRiddell: well, compiz doesn't expose this memleak issue :|16:04
yuriyapachelogger: it is? :O16:05
yuriythat would explain things... would that show up as memory used by Xorg?16:05
Riddellwe should be able to blacklist nvidia easily enough16:05
apacheloggeryuriy: I thik so16:05
yuriyapachelogger: but only with composite on?16:06
apacheloggerRiddell: then I am all for turning it on :)16:06
apacheloggeryuriy: yes16:06
yuriybecause I have Xorg leaking memory with composit off16:06
yuriyand no (additional) problems with desktop effects on16:06
apacheloggeraaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh gzip: stdout: No space left on device16:07
* apachelogger invokes pbuilder clean16:07
apacheloggermornfall: btw, new upgrade doesn't handle 'no space left on device' issues very graceful16:07
* apachelogger had to kill it16:07
mornfallapachelogger: Should be somewhat better in alpha6.16:08
Riddelldoes any upgrade handle that well?16:08
apacheloggermornfall: ok, cool16:08
mornfallRiddell: Well, in the first place, it shouldn't try to upgrade. ;)16:08
mornfallWithout enough space that is.16:09
apacheloggerRiddell: hehe, at least more reasonable ;-)16:09
mornfallBut that's TBD on this side of the fence.16:09
* Riddell gets volume key shortcut working in KDE 4 and rejoices16:10
apacheloggeruhm16:10
apacheloggermy /boot is full16:10
apachelogger-.-16:10
apacheloggerso much for auto-kernel-removal-glory16:11
jpdsapachelogger: You can't "apt-get autoremove" kernels.16:17
jpdsIt's blocked by: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove16:17
apacheloggerjpds: didn't they include some feature that only 3 kernels or something are installed?16:17
apacheloggermaybe I was having visions16:18
thefishwhere shoudl i report bugs with kubuntu 8.10?16:45
jjessethefish: on launchpad16:48
jjesseinclude intrepid in the subject line16:48
jjesseat least thats what i would do16:48
thefishjjesse: ok, launchpad for kubuntu?16:49
thefishsorry, clueless, it seemed like there were separate bits16:49
jjessethefish: yes kubuntu uses launchpad just like ubuntu does16:49
thefishcool, so lauchpad is launchpad, no differentiation between each *buntu?16:50
jjessethefish: correct16:50
jjesselaunchpad is used for lots of things in *buntu16:51
thefishcool, thanks16:51
jjessenp16:52
yuriythefish: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting <- see that, and let me know if it's not helpful/could be improved16:54
thefishyuriy: thank you, thats helpful and i cant suggest any improvements on the info there17:00
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mornfallhttp://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-tag-search-3.png (a semi-mockup, and I'm going home... leave comments if you so desire...)17:45
mornfallThe expand query checkbox is a temporary hack.17:45
mornfallSee you around.17:45
yuriymornfall: what is [not] supposed to mean?17:48
mornfallyuriy: It'll make it possible to exclude packages with a given tag from the search.18:14
Riddellhumph, can't get KShortcut to work with Qt.Key_LaunchE18:33
yuriymornfall: oh. fairly unintuitive IMO.19:02
yuriydaskreech and I had a little brainstorming session about this a few months ago, I'll try to find the log19:02
mornfallTry... Although I'd be surprised if it gets any better than this. Don't forget that we have tooltips.19:03
mornfall(And mouse-over highlighting...)19:04
mornfall(But yeah, it seems that it's the same story as ever... people will complain it's not intuitive enough, but noone will suggest an actual better solution...)19:04
mornfallAt least that's what I anticipate.19:05
yuriymornfall: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/01/02/%23kubuntu-devel.html19:06
yuriya couple hour long discussion, interesting stuff about 01:40 to 02:4519:08
dhuvhello all19:13
dhuvI am wondering if this would be the appropriate place to ask a kopete question regarding creating a skin for the chat window19:15
Nightrose#kopete19:15
mornfallyuriy: Well, basically it says you want "don't care, want, don't want' -- so that's exactly that we have. The presentation suggestions are, radios and checkboxes, mostly. Checkboxes have only 2 states, so you need to drop one (don't want has to go).19:15
dhuvNightrose: thanks19:15
mornfallyuriy: Radios are even less intuitive.19:15
Nightroseyou're welcome19:15
mornfallyuriy: What options are left?19:15
mornfallyuriy: Since "don't want" is not as common as "want", I have clicking the tag mark it as "want" (and render it in boldface), clicking it's "[not]" to boldface the not, leaving it alone -> don't care.19:16
mornfall"[not]" shows "Exclude packages tagged [whatever tag] from the search" or so.19:17
mornfallAs a tooltip, that is.19:17
mornfallAnd I also happen to think it's a definite improvement over 2.1.19:26
yuriythat it is19:30
Riddell"XF86XK_LaunchD,             Qt::Key_LaunchF"  why?  just why?19:35
SolarWarheyo,  can someone advocate/comment on my superawesome package of Qlix- a program that allows one to easily transfer music to MTP devices (like the zune)19:42
SolarWarhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix19:42
SolarWari figure people here are more interested in QT apps than ubuntu-motu :)19:43
* Riddell takes a keek19:45
jjesse_whats a keek :)19:47
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RiddellSolarWar: build failure :(19:47
SolarWaroh noo!19:48
SolarWarRiddell, pastebin ?19:49
RiddellSolarWar: added as comment on revu19:50
Riddellthere's a new libmtp19:51
SolarWaroh19:51
SolarWardamn it :)19:51
SolarWaris there a place i can find the current versions of packages in intrepid?19:53
Riddelllaunchpad.net/ubuntu19:54
SolarWaroh thats cool, i can now merge the new upstream of qlix and revu19:55
Riddellsorted19:57
yuriy!info kompare-kde4 intrepid20:08
ubottuPackage kompare-kde4 does not exist in intrepid20:08
yuriyhmm, I wonder why that shows up on my system20:09
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mornfallyuriy: http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-tag-search-4.png21:03
Riddellyuriy: adding http://paste.ubuntu.com/34170/21:05
mornfallOh, I should release alpha6 tomorrow to expose this all-new all-shiny tag "cloud" thingy.21:07
Riddellsounds very web 2.021:07
mornfallYeah, buzzword-compliant.21:09
Riddellmornfall: when do you think would be a good time to upload adept 3?  (given then adept 2 is currently broken)21:10
mornfallRiddell: Well, beta 1 comes to mind... (that comes after alpha 6).21:10
Riddellsounds like a plan21:10
mornfallI expect some bugs in alpha 6, I give it a 5-day or so window to flesh those out and then make a beta.21:11
mornfallAnd from beta on, it's just bugfixes.21:11
yuriymornfall: what's the difference?21:11
mornfallyuriy: That's "in-action" shot -- some tags are selected (the boldface ones).21:12
mornfallYou can see how the selection corresponds to the packages shown.21:12
yuriymornfall: it's still not in anyway clear that you're supposed to click "not".. can it be a button or something?21:13
mornfallyuriy: No.21:13
mornfallyuriy: It has a mouseover highlight. That's gotta be enough.21:13
mornfallButton will be *very* ugly there.21:13
yuriytrue21:14
mornfallIf people are curious, they'll at least point at it. I'd hope.21:14
nixternallet me try this again....howdy!21:29
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Riddellmorning nixternal21:38
nixternalmorning? it is 15:38 here :P21:38
SolarWarRiddell, thanks for pointing out the libmtp incompatibility. I have fixed it now- if you have time please take another look :)21:39
RiddellSolarWar: compiles!21:42
SolarWaryay!21:42
SolarWari guess that means that my pbuilder enviroment works too :)21:42
* SolarWar <3s pbuilder21:42
* nixternal loves ant-rpm21:44
* nixternal steps on the ant21:44
nixternalfoo rpmbuilder21:44
RiddellSolarWar: advocated21:45
SolarWar:) thanks21:45
txwikingernixternal: It is mornign somewhere21:53
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ScottKnixternal: All I know about RPM is that I can use alien to turn it into a .tar.gz with all the patches on the outside for easy finding.22:43
Riddellthere was a time when I knew some command line arguments to RPM that made it do stuff22:43
Riddellit didn't last long22:43
desrtRiddell; did you check out that kio-umountwrapper bug?22:44
ScottKI learned that learning I didn't want opensuse's klamav patches, but I did want Fedora's so I could get it working with clamav 0.93.22:44
Riddelldesrt: kio-umountwrapper is pretty well fdoving's domain, but I havn't heard from him22:45
desrtwho packages kubuntu, anyway?22:46
Riddellloads of people22:46
desrtcommunity folk, i guess?22:46
nixternaldesrt: if everything is running smooth, then I package Kubuntu...if it is broke, well then that is everyone else :P22:47
* nixternal goes home22:47
desrt:)22:47
Riddellmultiple communities22:47
yuriyhmm so in doing some of the upgrades (or possibly for some other reason) my KDE session has been gradually falling apart. does anybody know how to log out gracefully if the dialog won't launch anymore?22:49
ScottKyuriy: How about fire up Konsole and sudo shutdown-P now22:50
ScottKwith a space between shutdown and -P22:50
desrtthat's no more graceful than alt+ctrl+backspace22:51
yuriyoh well, I guess I'll shut down22:52
apacheloggersmarter: available for an hardy backport?22:54
vorianyo yo yo23:07
apacheloggeroh23:08
apacheloggerhey vorian23:08
* apachelogger thinks vorian is going to do the backport ;-)23:08
vorianof the fixed kde stuff?23:08
* vorian is updating right now23:08
voriani can work on that tonight23:08
* apachelogger is debdiffing23:09
voriani see23:09
vorianapachelogger: 22:09:08 < slangasek> vorian: ping23:10
vorian22:09:23 < vorian> slangasek: yessir23:10
vorian=====================================================================================================23:10
vorian22:09:46 < slangasek> vorian: hi, looks like you sponsored the upload of monkeystudio to NEW?23:10
vorian22:10:02 < vorian> yes23:11
vorian22:10:18 < slangasek> vorian: and it looks like monkeystudio is embedding copies of Qt Designer and  qscintilla, which are already in the archive... is there a good reason for  them to be embedded?23:11
vorianhurry23:11
vorian!23:11
apacheloggerqscintilla is removed in monkeystuido's SVN due to my request :P23:11
voriancrap23:11
apacheloggerthey include it because at that time the released qsc was not recent enough23:12
apacheloggerdunno about the designer stuff though23:12
voriancrap23:12
voriani hate this23:12
* apachelogger actually thought drebellion made an svn snapshot featuring at least the removed qsc 23:12
voriancare to chime in over in ubuntu-devel23:12
apacheloggervorian: you uploaded :P23:13
vorianthanks23:13
* apachelogger gets popcorn and switches focus to u-d23:13
apacheloggervorian: well, from my point of view slangasek shoudl just reject it if he isn't happy23:14
vorian</323:14
apacheloggerthis gives us the possiblity to but more pressure on upstream to remove that stuff ;-)23:14
vorianroger that23:14
voriani'll suggest it then23:14
* apachelogger sings the QA song23:15
vorianwhich is what?23:15
voriani hate being such a n00b23:15
apacheloggerI hate it, I hate it, I hate it a lot lalalalala - the QA is eating my CPU, the QA is eating my RAM, the QA is eating my time - I hate it, I hate it, I hate it a lot lallalalalala23:16
vorianhaha23:16
* apachelogger testbuilds kde4libs with uberimportant patch23:16
yuriyapachelogger: popping up fluffy bunnies on every application launch?23:17
apacheloggerOo23:18
apacheloggerthat feature is available since KDE 0.123:18
apacheloggermy patch is ensuring they get killed properly at quit :P23:18
Nightroseohhhhhhhhhhh apachelogger23:18
Nightrosethat will make some people very happy23:18
Nightrose(if it is what i think it is :P)23:19
Nightroseincluding me23:19
apacheloggerwell, otherwise I wouldn't do it ;-)23:19
* apachelogger is karma addicted23:19
Nightrose;-)23:20

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