[00:13] <mornfall> Riddell: Hi.
[00:18] <seele> whoa, Riddell on a weekend?
[00:35] <mornfall> And goodnight.
[00:35]  * mornfall passes out...
[02:30] <yuriy> wiki.kubuntu.org broken? I get cyclic link errors
[02:30] <yuriy> wiki.ubuntu.com works fine
[02:31] <vorian> kubuntu.org works for me
[02:31] <vorian> woah
[02:31] <Jucato> vorian: add the wiki. part
[02:31] <Jucato> :)O
[02:31]  * vorian needs reading lessons
[02:32] <vorian> "KDE detected a link or series of links that results in an infinite loop"
[03:48] <vorian> latest kde updates did not agree very well with my system
[04:03] <nixternal> hola
[04:03] <vorian> heya nixternal
[04:03] <Jucato> olah
[04:03] <Jucato> er.. aloh
[04:04] <nixternal> stupd ad password at work expired and I need to log into vpn to build a beta3 for testing tonight
[04:04] <nixternal> oh well, they will have to wait untill tomorrow
[04:04] <vorian> maybe you can fix kde tonight?
[04:05] <nixternal> what's wrong with it?
[04:05] <Jucato> it's fundamentally broken
[04:05] <vorian> the last update, well, bricked
[04:05] <Jucato> :)
[04:05] <nixternal> on intrepid?
[04:05] <vorian> kdm did not work
[04:05] <vorian> yes,
[04:06] <vorian> kde will not start
[04:06] <nixternal> hrmm, still don't have an intrepid install around here
[04:06] <vorian> that's about as far as I got
[04:06] <nixternal> my dev desktop is broke and I need to get yet another mobo, cpu, and ram
[04:07] <vorian> i know that with the latest builds, something changed with kde.mk/cdbs
[05:30] <skreechmiester> vorian: KDM as well as KDE will not start?
[07:54] <santhosh> Hi all
[07:54] <santhosh> kde-l10n-ml missing in kde4 of kubuntu ...
[07:54] <santhosh> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/k/
[07:55] <santhosh> it is there in debian experimental http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kde/kde-l10n-ml
[07:55] <santhosh> can somebody tell me how we missed it...?
[08:46] <Tonio_> hi there
[08:46] <Tonio_> kde4 broken here, is that known problem ?
[08:46] <Tonio_> all I can see in packages changelogs is a switch to cdbs kde4..... that shouldn't brek anything
[08:47] <Tonio_> strace konqueror shows like an  infinite loop....
[08:49] <Tonio_> s/brek/break
[09:07] <gnomefreak> its possible that cdbs broke something but i would think it would have caused a FTBFS not break anything after builds
[09:27] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: true that
[09:27] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: btw, I can confirm the current behavior on several machines
[09:27] <Tonio_> and only todays update causes that
[09:27] <gnomefreak> i just did alot of them this maybe an hour ago
[09:29] <Tonio_> and no issue on your side ?
[09:29] <Tonio_> I had to reboot to see that everything was just broken
[09:29] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: havent booted to kde4 yet and since you say its broke i will trust you
[09:30] <Tonio_> :)
[09:30] <gnomefreak> :) i will most likely test it today
[09:30] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: well even kdm is broken here, so if it worked for you..... means that kde4 certainly works
[09:30] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: you mean on hardy or intrepid its broke?
[09:31] <gnomefreak> i saw updates on intrepid
[10:22] <Riddell> humph
[10:22] <Jucato> uh oh. that doesn't sound good :/
[10:24] <gnomefreak> its too early to think
[10:25] <Jucato> tell that to my Discrete Math homework :(
[10:25] <gnomefreak> im sure your in a later time zone if you are up and doing homework
[10:26] <gnomefreak> it ~0500
[10:26] <Jucato> any time is too early to think about sets and relations :(
[10:26] <gnomefreak> well 5:26
[10:26] <Jucato> but yes. 12 hours ahead of you
[10:26] <gnomefreak> Jucato: true
[10:26] <gnomefreak> dinner time sounds good right after breakfast than bed right after dinner
[10:27] <Jucato> er.. right :)
[10:27] <gnomefreak> my trash wont empty
[10:28] <_StefanS_> hello
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wooah, long time no see :)
[10:28] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!!! omg!
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Jucato: !
[10:28] <Jucato> tell that to yourself! :)
[10:28] <_StefanS_> so how's things ?!
[10:28] <_StefanS_> yes, I know i'm the one who's been off :)
[10:28] <Jucato> doing great. I haven't been "present" lately either :)
[10:29] <Jucato> I'm here digitally only but not mentally or spiritually
[10:29] <_StefanS_> oh, like always :)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> so hows the kde4 shaping for intrepid ?
[10:29] <_StefanS_> wondering if there was something I could help out with
[10:30] <Jucato> hm.. that I wouldn't know. I'm kinda clueless on what needs to be done still. though docs are definitely a huge todo, and I'm waiting for nixternal or jjesse for their plans ;)
[10:32] <Riddell> and now I can't even make a working chroot
[10:32] <Jucato> _StefanS_: the Todo list is above, though I'm not sure if the wiki.kubuntu.org cyclic problems have been resolved (you can use wiki.ubuntu.com)
[10:32] <Riddell> humph
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey :)
[10:33] <Jucato> ouch :(
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: oka, I will look at it, maybe there's something I can do
[10:33] <Jucato> wiki.kubuntu.org is still "down"
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde4 completly broken for me atm.... even kdm doesn't start since the rebuild for cdbs kde4.mk....
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> I am so fedup of stuff being down all the time :/
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: aware of the issue ?
[10:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: seem to be
[10:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: also broken here, all I get is a busy hour-glass and no kdm
[10:35]  * Jucato is just upgrading now after 2-3 days.. will probably be joining the chorus soon
[10:36] <Riddell> Jucato: I suggest not to
[10:37] <Jucato> hm. ok.. it's on my test laptop anyway.. but ok :)
[10:37]  * Jucato cancels :)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> uhm, KubuntuIntrepidDefaults, things like the changes for kickoff and such, are they being worked on ?
[10:39] <Riddell> _StefanS_: not currently (except the favourites should be done), patches very welcome
[10:39] <gnomefreak> is amarok 1.86-0ubuntu2 pre release of 2.0?
[10:39] <Jucato> regardig favorites, Kontact is still not there (2-3 days old)
[10:39] <Jucato> gnomefreak: should be
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Jucato: thanks for some reason i thought they released it
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried to strace konqueror, but all I get is a kind of infinite loop...
[10:40] <Jucato> gnomefreak: alpha 2 to be exact
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: no way to get a usable trace to debug
[10:40] <gnomefreak> ah ok ande someone is using 3 already? that sound wrong
[10:41] <Riddell> Jucato: wiki.k.o fixed
[10:41] <Jucato> Riddell: koolio. thanks :)
[10:42]  * Jucato points vorian and yuriy ^^^ :)
[10:44] <gnomefreak> why does it look like amarok2 doesnt have engines packages all engine packages xine ect..
[10:44] <gnomefreak> sorry amarok-kde4
[10:44]  * Jucato got lost in the sentence
[10:45] <gnomefreak> Jucato: ther eis np engine packages for amarok-kde4
[10:45] <gnomefreak> damn
[10:45] <Jucato> :D
[10:45] <gnomefreak> there is no ...
[10:45] <Jucato> too early to type
[10:46] <Jucato> gnomefreak: probably because amarok-kde4 needs only to depend on phonon?
[10:46] <Jucato> then phonon takes care of the backend
[10:46] <gnomefreak> libloudmouth1-0 libqt0-ruby1.8
[10:47] <gnomefreak> no phonon package being installed so maybe the -desktop package installed it
[10:47] <Jucato> yeah. kde4 depends on phonon. so it's probably already there
[10:48] <gnomefreak> yep thats how i got it :)
[11:08] <Riddell> well, it doesn't seems to be to do with the cdbs change
[11:14] <davmor2> Riddell: That's really bad, what happened?
[11:15] <Riddell> davmor2: no idea
[11:15] <davmor2> so no smoke testing today's iso then :)
[11:19] <Riddell> davmor2: best not I guess :(
[11:19] <Riddell> however I've just got it to work, so maybe I will be able to track down what caused the problem
[11:19] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll have a look at live and see if it works
[11:32] <Riddell> hmm, I think I found the problem in my desktop translations patch
[12:01] <davmor2> Riddell: on a plus side it seems to work from this mornings daily live iso :)
[12:01] <Riddell> gosh, really?
[12:02] <davmor2> Riddell: No I said it for effect ;) :P
[12:02] <Riddell> davmor2: does folderview work?
[12:02] <davmor2> no there is no desktop on the desktop :)
[12:05] <Riddell> this is clearly some definition of "work" which is different to that from which I have been used
[12:13] <davmor2> Riddell: as in there is no folder view Desktop on the actual desktop :P
[12:23] <davmor2> Riddell: You can't add it either which you could before :(
[12:24] <thefish_> hello
[12:26] <thefish_> I updated 8.10 this morning and kde broke, apparently being worked on now - if anyone wants a guinea pig, i can test etc :)
[12:29] <Riddell> thefish_: you need to wait for kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7 to hit the archives
[12:30] <davmor2> Riddell: if you push out a new cd let me know :)
[12:31] <thefish_> Riddell: thanks :)
[12:32] <thefish_> it is up on some now, or still being made?
[12:33] <Riddell> thefish_: still compiling
[12:33] <thefish_> k, thanks :)
[13:21] <Riddell> hmm, kubuntu-default-settings is a mess
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: very true
[14:09] <txwikinger> what is wrong with kde4 when the mouse pointer does not show?
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: still working on making it simpler
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that I have to check setting by setting f it is still available and required for kde4
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: that'll take me a few days to complete the task...
[14:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: well I just uploaded a version so make sure you bzr merge (or update)
[14:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[14:56] <yuriy> still not OK to upgrade?
[14:57] <yuriy> Tonio_: isn't jontheechidna working on k-d-s?
[15:00] <Tonio_> yuriy: no idea
[15:00] <yuriy> you were talking about that right ^^?
[15:03] <Riddell> he was yes
[15:04] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:04] <yuriy> Tonio_: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-on-kubuntu-intrepid-plasma.html
[15:05] <Nightrose> *nod*
[15:06] <Nightrose> sorry wrong channel
[15:08] <yuriy> hmm I think I'll take not wanting to shutting down for fear of having a broken KDE as an opporunity to test hibernate
[15:24] <Riddell> 4.1.0-0ubuntu7 is now on the main archive site
[15:29] <thefish> Riddell: thanks, that update fixed it all
[15:31] <Riddell> yay
[15:32] <thefish> although now the system tray is gone :(
[15:32] <thefish> hehe
[15:41] <apachelogger> hm, I think I like the new adept updater
[15:41] <jjesse> thats in a ppa isn't it?
[15:41] <Riddell> yes ~mornfall
[15:42] <jjesse> coolthanks
[15:54] <Riddell> thefish: that system tray issue is a bit of a mystery
[15:55] <thefish> Riddell: wierd one, i have been moving it around, deleting, re-adding etc, and it re-appeared
[15:55] <thefish> still has the issues with icons half-coloured though
[15:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdeaccessibility_4.1.0-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploading
[16:00] <apachelogger> thank you
[16:01] <Riddell> yay, compositing works again with new X
[16:01] <Riddell> so, I think I'll turn it on by default
[16:01] <Riddell> and see who complains
[16:01] <yuriy> Riddell: no blacklist/whitelist?
[16:02] <apachelogger> uhh, that is gonna be funny :D
[16:02] <yuriy> or is that already built-in?
[16:02] <apachelogger> yuriy: I think kwin has a builtin one
[16:02] <apachelogger> at least it had at some point
[16:03] <apachelogger> thinking abou tit
[16:03] <Riddell> it does but I'll replace it with the one from Ubuntu's compiz
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't think turning it on by default is a good idea
[16:04] <Riddell> so it should break only as much as Ubuntu
[16:04] <apachelogger> the nvidia driver is still leaking memory big time
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, compiz doesn't expose this memleak issue :|
[16:05] <yuriy> apachelogger: it is? :O
[16:05] <yuriy> that would explain things... would that show up as memory used by Xorg?
[16:05] <Riddell> we should be able to blacklist nvidia easily enough
[16:05] <apachelogger> yuriy: I thik so
[16:06] <yuriy> apachelogger: but only with composite on?
[16:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: then I am all for turning it on :)
[16:06] <apachelogger> yuriy: yes
[16:06] <yuriy> because I have Xorg leaking memory with composit off
[16:06] <yuriy> and no (additional) problems with desktop effects on
[16:07] <apachelogger> aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[16:07]  * apachelogger invokes pbuilder clean
[16:07] <apachelogger> mornfall: btw, new upgrade doesn't handle 'no space left on device' issues very graceful
[16:07]  * apachelogger had to kill it
[16:08] <mornfall> apachelogger: Should be somewhat better in alpha6.
[16:08] <Riddell> does any upgrade handle that well?
[16:08] <apachelogger> mornfall: ok, cool
[16:08] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, in the first place, it shouldn't try to upgrade. ;)
[16:09] <mornfall> Without enough space that is.
[16:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe, at least more reasonable ;-)
[16:09] <mornfall> But that's TBD on this side of the fence.
[16:10]  * Riddell gets volume key shortcut working in KDE 4 and rejoices
[16:10] <apachelogger> uhm
[16:10] <apachelogger> my /boot is full
[16:10] <apachelogger> -.-
[16:11] <apachelogger> so much for auto-kernel-removal-glory
[16:17] <jpds> apachelogger: You can't "apt-get autoremove" kernels.
[16:17] <jpds> It's blocked by: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove
[16:17] <apachelogger> jpds: didn't they include some feature that only 3 kernels or something are installed?
[16:18] <apachelogger> maybe I was having visions
[16:45] <thefish> where shoudl i report bugs with kubuntu 8.10?
[16:48] <jjesse> thefish: on launchpad
[16:48] <jjesse> include intrepid in the subject line
[16:48] <jjesse> at least thats what i would do
[16:49] <thefish> jjesse: ok, launchpad for kubuntu?
[16:49] <thefish> sorry, clueless, it seemed like there were separate bits
[16:49] <jjesse> thefish: yes kubuntu uses launchpad just like ubuntu does
[16:50] <thefish> cool, so lauchpad is launchpad, no differentiation between each *buntu?
[16:50] <jjesse> thefish: correct
[16:51] <jjesse> launchpad is used for lots of things in *buntu
[16:51] <thefish> cool, thanks
[16:52] <jjesse> np
[16:54] <yuriy> thefish: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting <- see that, and let me know if it's not helpful/could be improved
[17:00] <thefish> yuriy: thank you, thats helpful and i cant suggest any improvements on the info there
[17:45] <mornfall> http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-tag-search-3.png (a semi-mockup, and I'm going home... leave comments if you so desire...)
[17:45] <mornfall> The expand query checkbox is a temporary hack.
[17:45] <mornfall> See you around.
[17:48] <yuriy> mornfall: what is [not] supposed to mean?
[18:14] <mornfall> yuriy: It'll make it possible to exclude packages with a given tag from the search.
[18:33] <Riddell> humph, can't get KShortcut to work with Qt.Key_LaunchE
[19:02] <yuriy> mornfall: oh. fairly unintuitive IMO.
[19:02] <yuriy> daskreech and I had a little brainstorming session about this a few months ago, I'll try to find the log
[19:03] <mornfall> Try... Although I'd be surprised if it gets any better than this. Don't forget that we have tooltips.
[19:04] <mornfall> (And mouse-over highlighting...)
[19:04] <mornfall> (But yeah, it seems that it's the same story as ever... people will complain it's not intuitive enough, but noone will suggest an actual better solution...)
[19:05] <mornfall> At least that's what I anticipate.
[19:06] <yuriy> mornfall: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/01/02/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[19:08] <yuriy> a couple hour long discussion, interesting stuff about 01:40 to 02:45
[19:13] <dhuv> hello all
[19:15] <dhuv> I am wondering if this would be the appropriate place to ask a kopete question regarding creating a skin for the chat window
[19:15] <Nightrose> #kopete
[19:15] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, basically it says you want "don't care, want, don't want' -- so that's exactly that we have. The presentation suggestions are, radios and checkboxes, mostly. Checkboxes have only 2 states, so you need to drop one (don't want has to go).
[19:15] <dhuv> Nightrose: thanks
[19:15] <mornfall> yuriy: Radios are even less intuitive.
[19:15] <Nightrose> you're welcome
[19:15] <mornfall> yuriy: What options are left?
[19:16] <mornfall> yuriy: Since "don't want" is not as common as "want", I have clicking the tag mark it as "want" (and render it in boldface), clicking it's "[not]" to boldface the not, leaving it alone -> don't care.
[19:17] <mornfall> "[not]" shows "Exclude packages tagged [whatever tag] from the search" or so.
[19:17] <mornfall> As a tooltip, that is.
[19:26] <mornfall> And I also happen to think it's a definite improvement over 2.1.
[19:30] <yuriy> that it is
[19:35] <Riddell> "XF86XK_LaunchD,             Qt::Key_LaunchF"  why?  just why?
[19:42] <SolarWar> heyo,  can someone advocate/comment on my superawesome package of Qlix- a program that allows one to easily transfer music to MTP devices (like the zune)
[19:42] <SolarWar> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix
[19:43] <SolarWar> i figure people here are more interested in QT apps than ubuntu-motu :)
[19:45]  * Riddell takes a keek
[19:47] <jjesse_> whats a keek :)
[19:47] <Riddell> SolarWar: build failure :(
[19:48] <SolarWar> oh noo!
[19:49] <SolarWar> Riddell, pastebin ?
[19:50] <Riddell> SolarWar: added as comment on revu
[19:51] <Riddell> there's a new libmtp
[19:51] <SolarWar> oh
[19:51] <SolarWar> damn it :)
[19:53] <SolarWar> is there a place i can find the current versions of packages in intrepid?
[19:54] <Riddell> launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:55] <SolarWar> oh thats cool, i can now merge the new upstream of qlix and revu
[19:57] <Riddell> sorted
[20:08] <yuriy> !info kompare-kde4 intrepid
[20:09] <yuriy> hmm, I wonder why that shows up on my system
[21:03] <mornfall> yuriy: http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-tag-search-4.png
[21:05] <Riddell> yuriy: adding http://paste.ubuntu.com/34170/
[21:07] <mornfall> Oh, I should release alpha6 tomorrow to expose this all-new all-shiny tag "cloud" thingy.
[21:07] <Riddell> sounds very web 2.0
[21:09] <mornfall> Yeah, buzzword-compliant.
[21:10] <Riddell> mornfall: when do you think would be a good time to upload adept 3?  (given then adept 2 is currently broken)
[21:10] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, beta 1 comes to mind... (that comes after alpha 6).
[21:10] <Riddell> sounds like a plan
[21:11] <mornfall> I expect some bugs in alpha 6, I give it a 5-day or so window to flesh those out and then make a beta.
[21:11] <mornfall> And from beta on, it's just bugfixes.
[21:11] <yuriy> mornfall: what's the difference?
[21:12] <mornfall> yuriy: That's "in-action" shot -- some tags are selected (the boldface ones).
[21:12] <mornfall> You can see how the selection corresponds to the packages shown.
[21:13] <yuriy> mornfall: it's still not in anyway clear that you're supposed to click "not".. can it be a button or something?
[21:13] <mornfall> yuriy: No.
[21:13] <mornfall> yuriy: It has a mouseover highlight. That's gotta be enough.
[21:13] <mornfall> Button will be *very* ugly there.
[21:14] <yuriy> true
[21:14] <mornfall> If people are curious, they'll at least point at it. I'd hope.
[21:29] <nixternal> let me try this again....howdy!
[21:38] <Riddell> morning nixternal
[21:38] <nixternal> morning? it is 15:38 here :P
[21:39] <SolarWar> Riddell, thanks for pointing out the libmtp incompatibility. I have fixed it now- if you have time please take another look :)
[21:42] <Riddell> SolarWar: compiles!
[21:42] <SolarWar> yay!
[21:42] <SolarWar> i guess that means that my pbuilder enviroment works too :)
[21:42]  * SolarWar <3s pbuilder
[21:44]  * nixternal loves ant-rpm
[21:44]  * nixternal steps on the ant
[21:44] <nixternal> foo rpmbuilder
[21:45] <Riddell> SolarWar: advocated
[21:45] <SolarWar> :) thanks
[21:53] <txwikinger> nixternal: It is mornign somewhere
[22:43] <ScottK> nixternal: All I know about RPM is that I can use alien to turn it into a .tar.gz with all the patches on the outside for easy finding.
[22:43] <Riddell> there was a time when I knew some command line arguments to RPM that made it do stuff
[22:43] <Riddell> it didn't last long
[22:44] <desrt> Riddell; did you check out that kio-umountwrapper bug?
[22:44] <ScottK> I learned that learning I didn't want opensuse's klamav patches, but I did want Fedora's so I could get it working with clamav 0.93.
[22:45] <Riddell> desrt: kio-umountwrapper is pretty well fdoving's domain, but I havn't heard from him
[22:46] <desrt> who packages kubuntu, anyway?
[22:46] <Riddell> loads of people
[22:46] <desrt> community folk, i guess?
[22:47] <nixternal> desrt: if everything is running smooth, then I package Kubuntu...if it is broke, well then that is everyone else :P
[22:47]  * nixternal goes home
[22:47] <desrt> :)
[22:47] <Riddell> multiple communities
[22:49] <yuriy> hmm so in doing some of the upgrades (or possibly for some other reason) my KDE session has been gradually falling apart. does anybody know how to log out gracefully if the dialog won't launch anymore?
[22:50] <ScottK> yuriy: How about fire up Konsole and sudo shutdown-P now
[22:50] <ScottK> with a space between shutdown and -P
[22:51] <desrt> that's no more graceful than alt+ctrl+backspace
[22:52] <yuriy> oh well, I guess I'll shut down
[22:54] <apachelogger> smarter: available for an hardy backport?
[23:07] <vorian> yo yo yo
[23:08] <apachelogger> oh
[23:08] <apachelogger> hey vorian
[23:08]  * apachelogger thinks vorian is going to do the backport ;-)
[23:08] <vorian> of the fixed kde stuff?
[23:08]  * vorian is updating right now
[23:08] <vorian> i can work on that tonight
[23:09]  * apachelogger is debdiffing
[23:09] <vorian> i see
[23:10] <vorian> apachelogger: 22:09:08 < slangasek> vorian: ping
[23:10] <vorian> 22:09:23 < vorian> slangasek: yessir
[23:10] <vorian> [23:10] <vorian> 22:09:46 < slangasek> vorian: hi, looks like you sponsored the upload of monkeystudio to NEW?
[23:11] <vorian> 22:10:02 < vorian> yes
[23:11] <vorian> 22:10:18 < slangasek> vorian: and it looks like monkeystudio is embedding copies of Qt Designer and  qscintilla, which are already in the archive... is there a good reason for  them to be embedded?
[23:11] <vorian> hurry
[23:11] <vorian> !
[23:11] <apachelogger> qscintilla is removed in monkeystuido's SVN due to my request :P
[23:11] <vorian> crap
[23:12] <apachelogger> they include it because at that time the released qsc was not recent enough
[23:12] <apachelogger> dunno about the designer stuff though
[23:12] <vorian> crap
[23:12] <vorian> i hate this
[23:12]  * apachelogger actually thought drebellion made an svn snapshot featuring at least the removed qsc 
[23:12] <vorian> care to chime in over in ubuntu-devel
[23:13] <apachelogger> vorian: you uploaded :P
[23:13] <vorian> thanks
[23:13]  * apachelogger gets popcorn and switches focus to u-d
[23:14] <apachelogger> vorian: well, from my point of view slangasek shoudl just reject it if he isn't happy
[23:14] <vorian> </3
[23:14] <apachelogger> this gives us the possiblity to but more pressure on upstream to remove that stuff ;-)
[23:14] <vorian> roger that
[23:14] <vorian> i'll suggest it then
[23:15]  * apachelogger sings the QA song
[23:15] <vorian> which is what?
[23:15] <vorian> i hate being such a n00b
[23:16] <apachelogger> I hate it, I hate it, I hate it a lot lalalalala - the QA is eating my CPU, the QA is eating my RAM, the QA is eating my time - I hate it, I hate it, I hate it a lot lallalalalala
[23:16] <vorian> haha
[23:16]  * apachelogger testbuilds kde4libs with uberimportant patch
[23:17] <yuriy> apachelogger: popping up fluffy bunnies on every application launch?
[23:18] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:18] <apachelogger> that feature is available since KDE 0.1
[23:18] <apachelogger> my patch is ensuring they get killed properly at quit :P
[23:18] <Nightrose> ohhhhhhhhhhh apachelogger
[23:18] <Nightrose> that will make some people very happy
[23:19] <Nightrose> (if it is what i think it is :P)
[23:19] <Nightrose> including me
[23:19] <apachelogger> well, otherwise I wouldn't do it ;-)
[23:19]  * apachelogger is karma addicted
[23:20] <Nightrose> ;-)