[01:06] <krijali> I'll send this question out again to see if anyone would like to take a crack at it. I was told to come here to ask a prevu related question although I'm running Hardy (on PPC arch - so yeah it's strictly unofficial, but yeah). When I attempt to run 'sudo -E prevu-init' I get an error back (after a few lines) saying the following: "Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/prevu/builds/8156/. mount -t proc proc /proc (then ) pbuilder:
[01:06] <krijali> debootstrap failed
[01:13] <Hobbsee> krijali: ask jdong - he wrote it.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> !info prevu
[01:13] <Hobbsee> it does exist in the repos.  wow.
[01:14] <krijali> will do, thank you! - or atleast I'll submit it as a possible bug
[02:09] <Quentusrex> Hello
[02:09] <Quentusrex> How can I find out if Ibex will include the new Intel graphics 2.4.0 driver?
[03:58] <kallu> 30 min back intrepid updated + upgraded .. kdm and kde are not working .. any suggestions
[04:02] <RAOF> kallu: Not without any sort of information, no.
[04:02] <RAOF> !doesntwork | kallu
[04:03] <RAOF> Also, /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be interesting.  But that'll depend on your previous answers :)
[04:05] <kallu> kdm not starting(getting busy mouse) .. if used gdm and trying to start kde .. not even kde splash is appearing
[06:18] <skreechmiester> !tab
[07:49] <Raas|wtf> im a windows user...
[07:49] <Raas|wtf> looking at kubuntu, any recommendations for/against?
[08:02] <bazhang> Raas|wtf, please change your nick: /nick <newnickname>
[08:04] <bazhang> Raas|wtf, this is not a chat channel; you can read reviews of kubuntu ubuntu etc linked at www.distrowatch.com
[08:06] <Raas|wtf> change my nick? wtf
[11:06] <kallu> today's kde(4.1) update breaks the system .. no kde application is starting
[11:07] <exco> aloah
[11:14] <havocstorm> >	Hey, have you guys seen the intrepid ibex mockups?
[11:14] <havocstorm> http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-2-93584910
[12:04] <SwedeMike> looking at <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_x4500hd&num=2> it seems xorg 7.4/mesa7.1/xf86-video-intel 2.4.0 is needed to drive a centrino 2 machine (thinking of the lenovo x200). Does anyone know if these will make it into 8.10 ?
[12:09] <SwedeMike> or, rather, I'm interesting in what alpha/beta version they might be included
[12:38] <BUGabundo> what's up with /libwbclient0_2%3a3.2.0-4ubuntu3_amd64.deb  and likewise?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> it exists?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> and why are you posting the same thing in multiple channels?
[13:13] <BUGabundo> sorry Hobbsee
[13:14] <BUGabundo> not every one is in the same #s
[13:14] <BUGabundo> I've been hit by that prob for a few days now
[13:14] <Hobbsee> no, they aren't but you're effectively asking 2+ different people to give you the same answer, which is a waste of effort.
[13:15] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: see private IM
[13:15] <BUGabundo> for more detail
[13:22] <cyphase> is anyone running intrepid in a VM?
[13:33] <_ZeuZ_> Hi, whenever I try to get my laptop display brightness down, I get the following output: No output has backlight property
[13:34] <BUGabundo> _ZeuZ_: I guess you are one for the schema problem
[13:34] <BUGabundo> on gconf-editor
[13:35] <_ZeuZ_> BUGabundo, so I can manage to fix it from gconf-editor?
[13:35] <BUGabundo> I don't know
[13:35] <BUGabundo> I'm still waiting for my power schema to get fix too
[13:36] <_ZeuZ_> lol, I guess I can manage to fix it importing the Debian package, as with it it works
[13:37] <BUGabundo> don't know
[13:37] <BUGabundo> if you do, let me know
[13:37] <BUGabundo> do you have a LP bug for it?
[13:37] <_ZeuZ_> not yet...
[13:38] <BUGabundo> let me see if I can find mine
[13:38] <_ZeuZ_> still I'm trying to find another configuration editor, as the problem with editing schemes seems to be from gconf-editor
[13:39] <BUGabundo> _ZeuZ_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/242665
[13:45] <_ZeuZ_> My problem is that gconf doesn't allow me to edit the configuration schemes
[13:59] <lukehasnoname> now running no-internet upgrade from Hardy to Alpha 2
[13:59] <lukehasnoname> er alpha3
[13:59] <Pici> good luck
[14:00] <lukehasnoname> thanks
[14:01] <exco> is the ati restricted driver (fglrx) already working with Xserver 8.4?
[14:01] <Pici> Not on my system, it still complains about dri2.
[14:02] <exco> thanks - I thought I had something wrong because there are so little complaints about it on ubuntuforums
[14:20] <lukehasnoname> soooooo, trying to boot intrepid, my computer started beeping OBNOXIOUSLY LOUDLY and the whole office looked over at me
[14:20] <Pici> Mine made screetching noises.
[14:20] <lukehasnoname> basically ya
[14:20] <Hobbsee> blacklist the pc speaker.
[14:21] <lukehasnoname> how
[14:21] <Pici> its snd_pcsp iirc.
[14:23] <Hobbsee> edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[14:23] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah, that sounds right
[14:28] <lukehasnoname> I don't know how to edit that withour booting the OS (I don't have a live disc, and I'm at work so I don't want that to happen again
[14:29] <lukehasnoname> I might just wait til lunch and take it somewhere
[14:32] <oxigen> install it in the elevator
[14:32] <Hobbsee> recovery mode?
[14:33] <lukehasnoname> I don't know if it will beep in recovery mode... I don't want to deal with that again
[14:33] <lukehasnoname> seriously I was fumbling to pull out the battery on my laptop to stop that noice
[14:33] <lukehasnoname> noise
[14:34] <oxigen> tell them that's just a part of the installing process
[14:35] <Pici> Its a sound test ;P
[14:36] <Pici> If its a laptop, take it out of the office for a few minutes
[14:37] <oxigen> yes, on the street, do you have wifi?
[14:37] <lukehasnoname> there is no wifi at this complex
[14:38] <lukehasnoname> and I technically have work to do...
[14:38] <lukehasnoname> heh
[14:38] <oxigen> ok, then use some long cable
[14:40] <exco> or just tell everyone else to leave
[14:41] <lukehasnoname> meh, I'll wait.
[14:41] <lukehasnoname> anyway, I can't wait for Intrepid
[14:43] <lukehasnoname> It might be on the wiki, but are there any goals set for a less buggy compiz experience?
[14:45] <Pici> lukehasnoname: I dont see it on a quick glance, but check here: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid
[15:36] <Exilant> Any errors today or is it a good time to dist-upgrade?
[15:42] <kallu> Exilant, there are some problems with kde 4.1
[15:44] <AlmightyCthulhu> Kdesu crashes, Adept crashes no matter what
[15:44] <AlmightyCthulhu> and restricted driver manager doesn't work at all
[15:44] <Exilant> ok, almost never use those anyway
[15:46] <AlmightyCthulhu> hah, finally
[15:46] <AlmightyCthulhu> update that kills off the pc speaker module
[15:47] <Exilant> nice :)
[15:48]  * AlmightyCthulhu has always hated the metapackages for desktops idea
[15:49] <lukehasnoname> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[15:49] <AlmightyCthulhu> there should be no need for a separate Kubuntu or Xubuntu really, just sections where you can remove or install packages for each desktop
[15:50] <AlmightyCthulhu> as it is, you really have no choice of what is on the system
[15:50] <Exilant> yes
[15:50] <AlmightyCthulhu> just a one size fits all image you better hope you have a fast net connection with which to fix
[15:50] <Exilant> well, you could remove the metapackages
[15:50] <LSD|Ninja> AlmightyCthulhu: If you want choice, run something else
[15:50] <Exilant> but that + updates->disaster
[15:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> removing the metapackage doesn't help things
[15:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> and it brings in all kinds of dependency nightmares
[15:51] <Exilant> yeah
[15:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> I always thought it was this gross/horrible hack
[15:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> to make the Live CD defaults work
[15:52] <Exilant> yes
[15:52] <AlmightyCthulhu> I have yet to see another system tell you that removing Firefox/Gecko will uninstall half your system
[15:52] <Exilant> i'd like to deinstall OOo for example, but it being in kubuntu-desktop makes that just to maintenance-intensive
[16:14] <Exilant> What is the satus of ati drivers in ibex or in general? is the opensource ati/radeon to be preferred, or the fglrx?
[16:56] <fde> Exilant: I'm fairly sure fglrx still doesn't support xserver 1.5 which is what ibex is using, so your choices are radeon or radeonhd
[16:56] <Exilant> ah, ok thanks
[16:57] <Exilant> is there any new way of setting up radeon or is it the same xorg.conf stuff as before?
[16:57] <fde> Exilant: same
[16:58] <Exilant> ok, thank you
[17:03] <cypherdelic> Third party repos are quite more faster available than i remember in the past ubuntu releases. I firstly updated from hardy to intrepid with only the ubuntu repositories. Now i found 60% of my third partys available in alpha 3 already, damn. Flash-Mozilla works, even if it needed some manual "nspluginwrapper -u *"'s because the script tries nspluginwrapper -n" (what may '-n' be? XD, but thats a third party problem) its quite stable at
[17:03] <cypherdelic> the moment, just some uncritical things are broken
[17:14] <cypherdelic> hm mouse scroll doesnt work in brightness screenlet
[17:17] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: it was working for me
[17:17] <BUGabundo_work> let me check when I get upstairs
[17:22] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: you are right! it stop working in the last few days
[17:22] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: do you have a LP ticket for it yet?
[17:22] <cypherdelic> no could you please take it, i will second it
[17:23] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[17:23] <cypherdelic> im currently in a gimp session :D
[17:23] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[17:26] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: do you have any idea of the package?!?!
[17:26] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: I'm trying to complete bug #200974 but it misses the package
[17:27] <cypherdelic> i dont know either if my package is a ubuntu one, thats why, too
[17:29] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: please subscribe to it, and fill with your details
[17:30] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: bug #200974
[17:31] <cypherdelic> click on +?? i was talking about mouse scroll in "screenlets"!-Brightness-applet, but that one should be similar the the gnome-keybinding issues
[17:32] <BUGabundo_work> me too
[17:32] <BUGabundo_work> I just re-used a similar ticket
[17:32] <BUGabundo_work> please read my comment
[17:32] <cypherdelic> where is this applet lol
[17:32] <BUGabundo_work> you can open/exampd it and see a + and a - minus
[17:33] <cypherdelic> command not found
[17:34] <BUGabundo_work> hu,??
[17:34] <cypherdelic> can you please describe where i have to look for brightness in gnome-power-manager
[17:35] <cypherdelic> that is your bugfile package name
[17:36] <cypherdelic> i regulate brightness with my lcd panel osd ;))
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work> I think its gnome-power-manager
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work> I do it via keyboard
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work>  on my laptop
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work> and with the mouse scroll over that applet
[17:36] <cypherdelic> if i need software brightness, that i use nvidia-settings, quite more comfortable than + - alpha and thats it
[17:37] <cypherdelic> the screelets applet yes
[17:37] <cypherdelic> but thats a bug in screenlets applet
[17:37] <BUGabundo_work> what is screenlets !?!?!?
[17:37] <cypherdelic> do you have a screenlets-intrepid version repo??
[17:37] <BUGabundo_work> I just have an applet on the top bar
[17:37] <cypherdelic> i dont have, so im glad it dont f*** up any other thing :D
[17:38] <cypherdelic> find out the name of that applet
[17:38] <BUGabundo_work> Power Manager Brightness Applet 2.23.1
[17:38] <BUGabundo_work> as I mention on my LP comment
[17:38] <cypherdelic> hmm
[17:39] <cypherdelic> oh i might have an idea what do you mean
[17:39] <cypherdelic> that one in gnome-panel?
[17:39] <BUGabundo_work> I would install screenlets (just saw them on synaptic)
[17:40] <BUGabundo_work> but I'm being affected by a dependcy problem on samba
[17:40] <cypherdelic> hm intrepid
[17:40] <cypherdelic> im confused about my package status
[17:40] <BUGabundo_work> and can't install or remove ANYTHING
[17:40] <BUGabundo_work> why?
[17:40] <cypherdelic> sudo dpkg remove --force
[17:40] <cypherdelic> man dkpg
[17:43] <BUGabundo_work> --force aint working either
[17:45] <cypherdelic> its "sud dpkg samba --purge --force-all" i take no guarantee
[17:45] <cypherdelic> and then install it via synaptic again
[17:46] <cypherdelic> may i can concentrate on gimp please, call center workers got a helper-syndrome
[17:46] <BUGabundo_work> let me try again
[17:46] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[17:46] <BUGabundo_work> bye bye
[18:05] <cypherdelic> so im back smart sharpening pluzgin takes ugly long
[18:05] <cypherdelic> even on a high end processor
[18:06] <cypherdelic> BUGabundo does those samba force purge worked
[18:06] <cypherdelic> ?
[18:06] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:06] <BUGabundo> it cleared a bit
[18:06] <BUGabundo> thanks
[18:06] <BUGabundo> but still in a dependicy hell hole
[18:07] <cypherdelic> hmm
[18:08] <BUGabundo> cypherdelic: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/34115/
[18:12] <lukehasnoname> so in recovery mode I was able to boot into root console without any passowrd
[18:13] <BUGabundo> good for you lukehasnoname
[18:14] <lukehasnoname> I mean,
[18:14] <BUGabundo> I always put a pass on my root user so that doesn't happen
[18:14] <lukehasnoname> is that supposed to happen?
[18:14] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:14] <BUGabundo> its a RECOVERY console
[18:14] <lukehasnoname> tru
[18:15] <BUGabundo> but feel free to do a
[18:15] <BUGabundo> sudo passwd
[18:15] <BUGabundo> and set a strong pass on root
[18:15] <lukehasnoname> right
[18:15] <BUGabundo> and that won't happen again
[18:16] <cypherdelic> lukehasnoname: can you quickguide me on how to tdo that?
[18:16] <cypherdelic> BUGabundo: check your repositories
[18:17] <BUGabundo> lukehasnoname:  sudo passwd
[18:17] <cypherdelic> loooooool
[18:17] <BUGabundo> cypherdelic: why? they look fine and I already did an apt-get clean
[18:17] <cypherdelic> BUgabundooh weill dist-upgrade
[18:17] <cypherdelic> why did ya doo that
[18:17] <cypherdelic> its alpha 3 X)
[18:17] <BUGabundo> I know
[18:17] <BUGabundo> I'm here even before alpha 1
[18:17] <cypherdelic> thats a bad thing
[18:17] <BUGabundo> trying to get my wifi to work
[18:18] <BUGabundo> no luck until now
[18:18] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: matir@matir.pt
[18:18] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/230844
[18:18] <BUGabundo_work> wrong copy paste
[18:19] <lukehasnoname> Did the logout screen change in Intrepid?
[18:20] <BUGabundo_work> yep
[18:20] <cypherdelic> and confuzius says to me "what do i say to you?"
[18:20] <BUGabundo_work> went to the upstream BASIC logout
[18:20] <lukehasnoname> boo urns
[18:20] <BUGabundo_work> but devs are working on it
[18:20] <cypherdelic> dist-upgrade is of course right
[18:20] <lukehasnoname> BOO URNS
[18:21] <lukehasnoname> BUGabundo_work: so it's going to go back to Ubuntu-style as final approaches?
[18:21] <cypherdelic> <--x=}
[18:21] <BUGabundo_work> cypherdelic: reboot, so dbus can restart
[18:21] <cypherdelic> nono i did that at the beginning for some days, i tried again, nothing to install ;) mine is fine :D
[18:21] <BUGabundo_work> lukehasnoname: I'll have to check my mailinglist archuive...
[18:22] <lukehasnoname> what mailing list?
[18:22] <BUGabundo_work> but since kmail won't start, I'm going to take longer to get that info for you
[18:22] <lukehasnoname> *which one
[18:22] <BUGabundo_work> desktop if not mistaken
[18:25] <BUGabundo_work> lukehasnoname: can't find it nowhere lol
[18:26] <lukehasnoname> it's cool
[18:26] <cypherdelic> cypher@HackFleisch:~$ /usr/lib/gnome-session/helpers/gnome-login-sound
[18:26] <cypherdelic> (gnome-login-sound:29807): Gnome-WARNING **: error caching sample <-1>!
[18:27] <cypherdelic> can somebody approof?
[18:27] <lukehasnoname> Is there a way to blacklist updates to certain packages permanently?
[18:27] <lukehasnoname> like evolution-*, linux-image-*, etc., where it will never ask me to do such updates again
[18:28] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[18:28] <BUGabundo_work> you can pin back
[18:28] <BUGabundo_work> or force a certain version on synaptic
[18:29] <lukehasnoname> might be what I want
[18:30] <BUGabundo_work> let me see were you put that for apt to pin back
[18:30] <lukehasnoname> I don't want a new kernel every few days, and I don't want to waste bandwidth on updates I don't need
[18:31] <BUGabundo_work> bingo
[18:32] <BUGabundo_work> lukehasnoname: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50un....
[18:36] <cypherdelic> Does anyone know how do I load nvidia-settings -l before xserver to make it rendered with antialiasing
[18:37] <lukehasnoname> Anyone else getting the alternate install hanging at 6%
[18:38] <lukehasnoname> nvmd it just sat on 6% for a while then jumped to 29%
[18:39] <tanath> anyone know why mouse scrolling broke?
[18:40] <tanath> worked fine on hardy, but after upgrade my mouse stopped working right. now it scrolls horizontally if available, but not vertically
[18:41] <tanath> unless my mouse cursor is over the scroll bar
[18:45] <BUGabundo_work> tanath: my touchpad didn't scroll either for a few days
[18:45] <BUGabundo_work> but today its woking again
[18:46] <tanath> hm. you update today?
[18:46] <BUGabundo_work> mouse scroll was working fine the all time
[18:46] <BUGabundo_work> the regular updates.. yes
[18:47] <tanath> well i when i upgraded, my thumb buttons stopped working. then when that got fixed, the scroll wheel stopped working
[18:52] <lukehasnoname> so after my upgrade from hardy sucked, I just did a fresh install
[18:52] <lukehasnoname> no internet, so kinda sucks, but so far it seem stable enough
[18:57] <BUGabundo_work> lukehasnoname: I guess I'll have to do a clean install by the time beta comes out
[18:57] <BUGabundo_work> I only hope I manage to get my wifi working until then
[19:12] <clusty> hey
[19:12] <clusty> is there something funny going on with compiz?
[19:12] <clusty> the transparencies are all screwy
[19:13] <crdlb> "screwy"?
[19:13] <clusty> as if i had no 3d accel
[19:13] <clusty> normally one seens the window behibnd the terminal
[19:13] <clusty> now i always see the desktop
[19:14] <crdlb> that's your definition of "screwy" ?
[19:14] <crdlb> that happens when you open gnome-terminal while no compositing manager is running
[19:14] <crdlb> currently, it cannot switch transparency modes while running
[19:15] <clusty> ohhh damn.
[19:15] <clusty> makes sense :D
[19:15] <clusty> sorry for the noobish bother :D
[19:15] <crdlb> it's ok; it's very broken :)
[19:16] <clusty> considering what fixed and what broke i am still not regretting going alpha
[19:16] <clusty> f-spot finally stopped crashing
[19:16] <clusty> and close to rock solid suspends
[19:16] <clusty> but no more keyboard shortcuts with compiz and no more bluetooth mouse :D
[19:39] <dj_oko> hello
[19:39] <dj_oko> could anybody tell me will new Ubuntu include PackageKit?
[19:39] <dj_oko> it seems to be "suggested"
[19:43] <james_w> dj_oko: it's very likely
[19:43] <james_w> however the gui tools will not be installed by default
[19:44] <dj_oko> h
[19:45] <dj_oko> i see :)
[19:59] <nemo> http://www.debianhelp.org/node/5156 - this post appears to suggest the patches I need for my CPU will be in 2.6.22
[19:59] <nemo> is that kernel version a target for "Ibex" ?
[20:12] <joaopinto> nemo, 2.6.24
[20:12] <nemo> coool
[20:14] <lukehasnoname> ?
[20:14] <lukehasnoname> 2.6.26 is the kernel for 8.10
[20:38] <nemo> waitasec. yeah. you're right
[20:38] <nemo> WTH.
[20:38] <nemo> hm. back to squre one then
[20:39] <nemo> (hardy is indeed on .24)
[20:41] <nemo> found correct but
[20:41] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/235119
[20:41] <nemo> indeed, is outdated in .24 as well
[21:57] <lukehasnoname> Reinstalling Hardy
[21:57] <lukehasnoname> man, running an alpha really makes you appreciate the stable release
[22:14] <kallu> I was unable to download the plasmoids through plasmoid panel .. The wizard is showing the plasmoids available in kde-look.org but unable to install them.
[23:16] <happytiger>  I cant move my kde4 widgets using nvidia-glx driver but I can if I use standard xorg setting after having run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:17] <happytiger> is there a workaround?