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CarlFKwhat is the debconf thing that re-builds xorg.conf?00:05
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jmarsdenCarlFK: Are you looking for    dpkg-reconfigure xorg00:23
awmcclainIf the only thing I'm changing from the debian package is the distro and the maintainer, should I still append ubuntu1 to the version number?00:46
persiaawmcclain: Why would you only change those two things?  Would it not be better to sync?00:46
awmcclainpersia: Sync? What is this "sync"? Maybe my build process is wrong? Oh, keep in mind, the debian package is not part of the debian universe.00:47
persiaawmcclain: debian universe?  Could you perhaps provide some more context: I'd be happy to answer if I understood the details.00:48
persia!sync00:48
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about sync00:48
persiaGrr..00:48
awmcclaineep. internet went down. sorry00:48
persiahttps://wiki.debian.org/SyncRequestProcess00:48
* persia is an idiot today00:48
persiahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess00:49
persiaawmcclain: What are you trying to achieve (in some detail)?00:49
awmcclainpersia: I'm the (de facto) debian maintainer and the ubuntu maintainer of a few perl-based web server packages. I host the packages in my PPA. Previously, I've branching the upstream source (where they have a /debian directory -- i know, i've been arguing with them about it ), changing the distro from etch to gutsy/hardy, changing the package-maintainer to myself, building with pdebuild, and uploading to launchpad with dput.00:52
awmcclainI've been using the version format "perlbal-1.70+svnXXX-1ubuntu1~hardy~ppa1", but I'm wondering if I should drop the ubuntu1.00:53
persiaawmcclain: I'd recommend e.g. ..-0ppa1~hardy for that use case, updating to ppa2 for a new rev, and using both releases, unless you find a case where you need to diverge between the releases.00:54
persiaMind you, in a larger sense, it would make sense to get the packages into Debian proper, and have the source copied into Ubuntu so you only have to maintain -1 and it gets compiled for the right targets automatically (well, you might need to request backports).00:55
awmcclainThat was my next question. Ok.00:57
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emgentsiretart: heya03:21
emgenthey people please add your name in new UTU version04:01
emgenthttp://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/index.php04:01
* nhandler adds his name04:06
emgentnxvl: go to add your name surname and launchpad id in UTU :)04:31
nxvl?04:34
nxvllink please04:34
nxvlhttp://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu.php ?04:34
taconenxvl: http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/registration.php04:34
nxvltacone: yep, done04:38
nxvl:D04:38
taconenxvl: what's your name ? I forgot04:39
* nxvl HUGS tacone and emgent 04:39
nxvlemgent: btw, did you use pbuilder?04:39
taconenvalcarcel ?04:39
taconenxvl: seems like your full name is so cool that utu is not ready yet to handle it04:41
emgentá04:41
emgentcharset..04:42
taconemail encoding.04:42
taconepython should have some library to handle it, though.04:42
emgentuhm..04:43
nxvltacone: yeah, utf-8 issue04:44
nxvltacone: i'm used to it04:44
taconenxvl: I have no doubt you are.04:44
taconenxvl: I posted on the blog a mail I've written on ubuntu-devel. http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-gui-coverage/04:45
nxvlyeah i saw it04:45
taconeI was not really lucid while writing it, but maybe you are interested in the general topic04:45
taconeoh04:45
taconeok04:45
nxvlit's on my ToDo list to search the tread04:46
nxvl:D04:46
nxvlnow i'm kind of busy testing and writing the build-twice-in-a-row function on pbuilder04:46
taconewell, I had only 1 reply. the rest is a slightly different argument.04:46
taconenxvl: any plan to support make -j 2  or make -j 3 in pbuilder ?04:47
nxvltacone: it doesn't?04:47
taconeyou have to hack it.04:47
taconeor maybe set some default env var for make, I don't know.04:47
StevenKSome debian/rules support CONCURRENCY_LEVEL04:48
taconeStevenK: that would be a nice step forward.04:48
nxvltacone: that should be defined on debian/rules actually04:48
StevenKmake -j n is hard, though. For complex pieces of software you need *really* *really* well defined upstream Makefiles04:48
taconeStevenK: what you mean ? risk of breaking ?04:49
StevenKtacone: Yup. So, the whole point of -j n is you break up the build into multiple streams, and start them simultaneously. If stream A needs something stream C is building and doesn't depend on it in the Makefile, so that make knows to 1) order it into stream A, or 2) have stream A block until the piece is built, otherwise it could go bad.04:51
taconeStevenK: too bad :-(04:51
StevenKtacone: If upstream knows how to write Makefiles, it isn't usually an issue -- you just shouldn't turn it on for every single package in the archive.04:52
StevenKtacone: The kernel, for example, easily deals with -j n04:52
taconeStevenK: ok, thanks :)04:53
emma:)05:04
Hobbseehello emma.05:04
emmahehe05:39
emgentmoin Hobbsee :)05:41
emmamoin emgent :)05:41
Hobbseehey emgent, how's it going?05:41
emgentall good thanks :)05:43
emgentI finished now to fix the latest problems in UTU05:43
emgentnow rocks :)05:43
emmaemgent: that sounds like a good accomplishment.05:43
StevenKIs it faster now? :-P05:43
emgentsure crontab :)05:44
emgentStevenK Hobbsee go to add your name :P05:44
taconebleeding edge caching techniques, uh emgent ? :-)05:44
Hobbseeemgent: can't you just pull them all off LP or something?05:44
emgenttacone: hehehe05:45
emgentHobbsee: lists.ubuntu.com version-changes05:45
Hobbseeemgent: or that, yes.05:45
StevenKemgent: Hardy is blank05:45
emgentStevenK: i know.. calculating.. :)05:46
taconenot anymore.05:46
emgentrefresh in 10 min.05:46
emgentnow all up :)05:46
emmaemgent - What is it that you work on?05:49
emgentemma: it`s a python script for grab uploads, and php scripts for manage it.05:51
emgentemma: http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/index.php05:52
emmaemgent: oh that's wonderful.05:53
emmaemgent: That's why I like to hang out in these channels. You are such a talented guy.05:53
* Hobbsee hears deja vu.05:54
emgentemma: ...05:55
emmaYes?05:55
emgent(06:53) ( emma) emgent: oh that's wonderful.05:56
emgentthis is a stupid script, stupid but useful05:56
emmaI see. :)05:56
emmaemgent: to me it looks wonderful and I still maintain that you are a talented guy :)05:58
emmahehe06:03
emma:)06:03
emmaGoodnight now.06:03
emgentbye.06:04
emmabye.06:05
persiaemgent: How did you get your initial name list?06:10
taconepersia: http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/registration.php06:11
taconepersia: it's linked from the main page.06:11
persiatacone: Except I didn't use that, and my name is listed, which is why I wondered06:11
taconeI misunderstood. reads from mailing list.06:12
emgentpersia: someone added your nick..06:13
taconeno, emgent he refers to the full name06:13
emgentah nice.06:13
emgentyeah, via mailing list.06:14
taconepersia: uploaderlist = findall('Changed-By: (.*) <.*>', data)06:14
persiaemgent: Hmm.  I'm going to agree with those who suggested you pull data from LP: it's too easy to abuse if there is no checking involved.06:14
persiatacone: Sure, but that doesn't explain why "persia" exists on http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/showlist.php06:14
tbielawawoohoo! that was exciting. I just figured out what build-deps were required to satisfy pkg-config on something I'm working on :-)06:15
taconeguess he added by hand the first entries06:15
taconepersia: I don't know if launchpad bugs allows for fullname search right now.06:15
emgenti think nhandler06:15
taconemaybe the new apis ?06:15
emgentsame ip in this post.06:15
persiaDoesn't need it: we always have the email address.06:15
taconepersia: same thing. does it allow right now ?06:16
persiatacone: Sure.  pass some search text in a JSON object as a GET to https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/people06:17
tacone!! are the apis already pubblished ? wow.06:17
ubottutacone: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)06:17
taconeubottu: you undervalue yourself06:18
ubottutacone: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)06:18
taconeok ok ..06:18
emgentheheh06:18
taconepersia: I seem not allowed yet to access that page. I would have to subscribe launchpad beta users etc etc :-)06:18
persiatacone: Ah.  Yes.  On the other hand, some people might be subscribed :)06:19
tacone(which sounds pretty cool now that I think about that)06:19
taconesome people could steal secret information >:-]06:19
tacone(jocking)06:19
* tacone made the wannabe-a-beta-something request06:22
emgenttacone: and wait...06:24
emgent(07:00) ( kiko) <kiko> okay, flying out to toronto, see you all in some 16h!06:24
emgent(07:00) :: kiko (n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko) has quit ("Connection reset by santa")06:24
emgentheheh :)06:24
taconeis him the only one ?06:24
taconeoh06:24
tacone16h, not 16th august06:24
taconeok I can wait.06:24
persiaThere ought be others who can approve a request to be a beta tester06:25
emgenthttps://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers/+members06:25
taconeok, I misunderstood though, 2/3 days is not so much :-)06:25
taconeoh06:26
taconeefficent people. I am delighted.06:26
taconeuhm, the api page still doesn't work.06:28
taconegoing to sleep a little06:28
taconesee you06:29
emgenttacone: see you later :)06:29
TomJaegerCould someone have a look at the easystroke package on REVU?  Thanks.07:36
emgenttacone: moin07:47
dholbachgood morning08:04
Laneyhowdy08:04
dholbachheya Laney08:04
takdircould someone review indonesian-fonts and scim-tables-indonesian at revu ?08:09
IulianG'morning09:51
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dholbachnobody packaged launchpadlib yet?10:39
james_whey dholbach10:39
dholbachhi james_w10:39
james_whas it been released?10:39
dholbachI could check out lp:launchpadlib :)10:40
james_wthat's good enough10:40
james_wI'll take a look10:40
dholbachthekorn is working on a pylpbugs connector using launchpadlib10:40
james_wawesome10:41
dholbachso we can have a smooth transition for the scripts that we have already10:41
dholbachyes, thekorn is full of awesome-ness10:41
dholbachthere are no other words for it10:41
james_wand you're not hugging him for that?10:41
dholbachI was humping him earlier on10:41
* dholbach hugs thekorn10:41
dholbachthanks james_w for looking into the packaging :)10:42
* dholbach hugs james_w too10:42
* james_w starts a group hug with dholbach and thekorn 10:42
dholbach:-))))10:42
* thekorn hugs dholbach and james_w 10:42
dholbachyoohooo10:42
* DktrKranz hugs everyone, simpler ;)10:42
james_wdholbach: do you know a way to search for a term in bugs with a tag?10:43
james_wI'm trying to see if there is a needs-packaging bug already open10:43
james_wah I can do it from advanced it seems10:44
ion_Anyone feel like reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=compcache-setup? Thanks.10:44
metilfenidatopackages.ubuntu is out?11:00
IulianSeems that it's down.11:01
yannickWhy is ffmpeg lacking some video encoders since intrepid? cf. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ekiga/+bug/25420111:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254201 in ffmpeg-debian "feature regression: ffmpeg lacks some video encoders (like h263+, MPEG4, maybe more...)" [Undecided,New]11:04
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persiaion_: Is that just a wrapper around a udev rule?11:20
ion_persia: Well, it has a localizable debconf UI and handles the mkinitramfs compcache code properly.11:26
persiaion_: It just seems a bit light for it's own package: there's something about having no actual code that bothers me.11:27
persiaOn the other hand, at least it's native, rather than having an empty "upstream" tarball...11:28
ion_Well, there is *some* code, although admittedly not much. :-)11:28
ion_The validation of the user-supplied value, the computation of the module parameter based on it etc. :-)11:29
persiaion_: There's no code outside of debian/11:33
ion_persia: Well, i *could* have put the files outside debian/, but then dh_* wouldn’t have found them automatically. ;-)11:35
ion_perais: But yeah, i get what you mean.11:35
persiaion_: I'm not advocating putting them outside debian, I'm just amused at a "no code" package.11:36
persiaAnyway, it's not lintian clean.11:38
ion_Huh. I could have sworn i checked the source and the binary. I guess i made a mistake.11:40
joaopintoCould someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amoebax ? Thanks11:40
ion_persia: What doesn your lintian complain about? It doesn’t complain for me.11:41
persiajoaopinto: The source isn't even lintian clean for that one.11:41
persiaion_: I suspect you aren't giving lintian the -iIv options11:42
ion_persia: Sorry, no. Will check with them and fix.11:42
joaopintoops, forgot the lintian warnings11:42
persiaion_: Anyway notes on REVU (along with non-lintian note)11:42
ion_persia: Thanks!11:42
devfilasac: I've tested the rdepends of xulrunner 1.8.1.1611:46
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SyntuxGood day12:00
asacdevfil: good12:09
asacplease open a bug and attach the bits12:09
devfilasac: there is a problem, I don't know hot to find the USN, CVE... fixed in this release12:10
devfil*how12:10
asacdevfil: just look at the firefox USNs12:13
asacif we skipped .15 .14 ... and so on, add those to the "fixed" list as well.12:14
devfilasac: where exactly? we skipped only .15, .14 is in the repo12:14
asacdevfil: look for the firefox advisory for .15 and .16 then12:16
asacdevfil: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn12:16
asacdevfil: also check the advisories for tbird .15 and .1612:16
asacmaybe there is one on top12:16
asacif there is another referred in tbird add that as well as xulrunner also contains most of mailnews12:16
asacdevfil: you dont need to name all CVEs/MFSAs in changelog, just USNs would be enough12:17
asac(maybe with a link to the USNs)12:17
Syntuxnhandler, yo12:18
stefanlsdAnyone bored and wanna look at and comment / maybe sponsor my gpa build?12:25
BUGabundois Jonathan Riddell (jriddell) around?12:35
BUGabundotoday's update mess my kmail12:35
Riddellhmm?12:35
BUGabundohi there12:36
BUGabundoRiddell: see private im12:36
RiddellBUGabundo: kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7 should appear in a bit, ought to help things12:36
BUGabundoit was working fine until a few minutes ago, when I did some updates12:36
BUGabundoahhh ok12:37
BUGabundoI'll wait...12:37
BUGabundosouldnt there be dependecies ?12:37
BUGabundowhat's up with /libwbclient0_2%3a3.2.0-4ubuntu3_amd64.deb  and likewise?12:38
RiddellI don't know what that is12:41
huatshello everyone13:04
joaopintocould someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amoebax ? Thanks13:06
RiddellBUGabundo: looks like a problem with samba13:16
BUGabundoI know13:16
BUGabundomore precislly likewise13:16
ScottKjoaopinto: One quick comment for you on package descriptions ...  It looks like you've written one package description, but the first line should be the short description and the second line should start the long description.  It looks like one, but it's really two separate things.  The long description should read sensibly without the short description present.13:19
BUGabundoHobbsee and Riddell here is the full log http://paste.ubuntu.com/34001/13:23
james_wBUGabundo: it's bug 25443413:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254434 in samba "package libwbclient0 2:3.2.0-4ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libwbclient.so.0', which is also in package likewise-open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25443413:24
BUGabundothanks13:24
BUGabundothanks james_w13:24
james_wI imagine it is actually a bug in likewise-open, but once our samba expert wakes up I'm sure he'll reassign it or fix it as needed13:24
BUGabundoits been like this for a week13:24
BUGabundoI'll subscribe to it13:25
HobbseeBUGabundo: if it's been like this for a week, then why didn't you report a bug about it a week ago?13:26
BUGabundoI was busy with other more pressing bugs13:27
BUGabundoI've been reporting bugs against kmail13:27
BUGabundoon kde 4.113:27
BUGabundoand last week wasn't all that free time... too much to do at the office13:27
Hobbseei hope you reported them at bugs.kde.org.13:27
BUGabundoI avoid to jump on the wagon and post just about any bug, until I know what's behind it13:28
BUGabundojust last week I was having some problem, that prevented me from login and with the help of ppl on the # I found out it was a permission related prob. I would be a waste just to open a ticket for that, before I could even confirm it was a bug or a local issue13:29
BUGabundoso I do, others I leave for the mantainer to decide if they should go uptream to kde13:29
Hobbseetrue13:29
Hobbseebut package upgrades tend to be bugs, unless you've been using stuff outside the packaging system.13:30
BUGabundoI remember all the trouble I had with my nvidia and all due to me instaling the nvidia driver instead of the one in the reps. with the help of envy dev I manage to get it fix... no bug there!13:31
BUGabundonothing out of reps for kde/kmail13:31
BUGabundobut there are a lot of regressions13:31
BUGabundobut even KDEPIM Ingo doenst want to be bother with some of them13:31
Hobbseewell, it is kmail...13:32
BUGabundolol13:33
RainCTemgent: Hey. FYI, you can get the user account associated with an email using the new LP API.13:36
RainCT(or at least the wiki has an example of that - I haven't tested it yet)13:37
huatsnxvl: congrats !13:39
huats;)13:39
nxvlhuats: you too!13:40
persiaBah.  You were both members beforehand.  nxvl was the example raised in the discussion that granted the existance of UUC.13:41
persia(Coincidence as being on the same agenda for the same day)13:42
ScottKnxvl: Congrats on pbuilder.  Thanks.13:44
nxvlheh13:46
nxvlyes13:46
* nxvl remembers that13:46
nxvlScottK: thank you13:46
nxvli was surprised to see it already uploaded13:46
nxvl:D13:46
nxvlbut nice13:46
nxvl:D13:46
nxvli tested it all night long yesterday so now i'm completely sure it works as spected13:47
persianxvl: Have you discussed the changes with dancer?  Might be worth getting some of them into Debian.13:50
nxvlpersia: i've already file a bug on debian13:51
nxvlpersia: so the patch is already there13:51
huatshello persia and ScottK13:55
ScottKHello huats.  Congratulations on UUC.13:56
ScottKnxvl too (UUC).13:56
huatsScottK: thanks13:57
huats:)13:57
huatsyou have your part in it :)13:57
stefanlsduuc?13:57
RainCTstefanlsd: ubuntu-universe-contributors13:57
* ScottK stops typing.13:57
* nxvl dances13:57
nxvlScottK: thanks again!13:58
nxvlbrb, going for a smoke13:58
stefanlsdok. i guess congrats.  :)13:58
stefanlsdfor whatever  :)13:58
RainCTnxvl, huats: I think I haven't said it yet, so: congrats! :)13:58
ScottKnxvl: Courier is needing a merge.  Would you mind looking into it?13:58
nxvlRainCT: thanks13:58
nxvlScottK: yep13:58
nxvlScottK: imap-courrier?13:59
huatsRainCT: thanks13:59
nxvli think i cna do it in the road trip to tampa13:59
nxvland upload it there13:59
ScottKnxvl: courier-imap is one of the binary packages, but courier is the source package.13:59
ScottKOK.13:59
RainCTScottK: btw, nice catch (the requestsync bug)13:59
nxvlScottK: yeah is just that i, yes14:00
nxvlnevermind14:00
nxvlScottK: 0.60.0-1?14:00
ScottKnxvl: Sounds right, yes.14:01
ScottKRainCT: Thanks.14:01
nxvlScottK: courier-authlib also?14:01
stefanlsdI created a watch file for a package - how do i send the patch to debian?14:01
ScottKnxvl: If you care to, but it needn't be done together.14:01
nxvl:D14:02
nxvlit's a 2.5 hours road trip14:02
ScottKnxvl: I try to watch over courier a bit because I know a lot of people use it.  courier-authlib I haven't particularly watched, so I've no great opinion on it.14:02
RainCTstefanlsd: submit@bugs.debian.org, the subject is the bug title and start the body with:   Package: <packagename>  (and on the next line:)  Severity: wishlist14:03
RainCTstefanlsd: you may also want to add the Ubuntu tag.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Debian/Usertagging14:04
ScottKIsn't there some submittodebian script that deals with most of that?14:05
ScottKPersonally I tend to use reportbug.14:06
RainCTScottK: probably, but I find that just sending a mail is faster14:06
nxvlScottK: reportbug14:07
nxvli use repurtbug-ng14:07
nxvlreportbug-ng*14:07
RainCTnxvl: didn't they want to change it to send the bugs to Ubuntu instead?14:08
nxvlsince it opens a evolution mail and i can edit it as i will14:08
ScottKnxvl: I just use reportbug for Debian, so I changed it back to sending to Debian (it's a conf option).14:08
nxvlScottK: i use it to send it to debian14:09
nxvlis there any way to use it for sending to ubuntu?14:09
ScottKNot usefully.14:09
nxvlyeah, launchpad is easy enought14:09
ScottKreportbug sends mail to ubuntu-users.14:09
ScottKPersonally I like Debian BTS better in most respects.14:09
nxvli don't find it useful to have reportbug modified to launchpad14:11
stefanlsdLP is nice.  the debian interfaces are really old looking14:12
ScottKBTS renders pages fast enough I'm not left waiting.  I care a lot more about that than how pretty it is.14:13
* persia isn't convinced old is bad: Ubuntu is (mostly) SUS compliant, and there have been plenty of newer operating systems in the meantime14:13
ScottKnxvl: Better that than ubuntu-users ML.14:13
RainCTScottK: Fixed. I'll upload the new ubuntu-dev-tools revision in a few days (Laney wants to get a new script in and I've told him to write a manpage for it first).14:18
ScottKOK.  No rush.  Thanks for the quick turn around.14:19
devfilasac: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/254618 ?14:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254618 in xulrunner "Please update xulrunner to 1.8.1.16 version." [Undecided,Confirmed]14:20
bluefoxicynow this is odd!14:22
stefanlsdScottK: thanks. submitted to debian. Did the usertagging also.  Quiet easy over email...14:22
bluefoxicysynaptic says some stuff is obsolete14:22
bluefoxicyon Hardy14:22
bluefoxicyif I remove it it removes all of Gnome14:22
bluefoxicylibasound214:23
bluefoxicyand python2.514:23
nxvlScottK: heh, indeed14:24
nxvlwel14:24
nxvlgoing to tampa now14:24
nxvlback in 3 hours i hope14:24
nxvlread you!14:24
* bluefoxicy is on 64-bit so.. has to head to class now though14:24
nxvl(if someone is in tampa drop me an e-mail to meet us there)14:25
bddebianHeya folks14:26
sistpoty|workhi folks14:27
bddebianHeya sistpoty|work14:27
RainCThi sistpoty|work14:27
sistpoty|workhi bddebian14:27
sistpoty|workand hi RainCT14:28
stefanlsdcrumbs. the more users that use ubuntu the more bugs there are.   need to increase the contributers to dev ratio14:48
joaopintoScottK, about the amoebax description, does http://pastebin.com/m25a5223e looks better ?14:55
* ScottK looks14:55
stefanlsdanyone got a gpg pub key with special chars in. umlauts or the like. want to test it in gpa to confirm a bug and see if my new version of gpa fixes it... (or knows the best way to find such a key)14:56
RainCTjoaopinto: /me suggests http://pastebin.com/d65184dce14:58
joaopintoRainCT, tks, change applied14:59
ScottKjoaopinto: Or even http://pastebin.com/d6963029f14:59
dholbachstefanlsd: try 5BE41F2115:00
ScottKI updated from RainCT's.15:00
stefanlsddholbach: thanks15:00
RainCTbtw, is it allowed for the copyright file to be generated at build time? (I guess yes, as I've just seen a package which does that, but just to be sure)15:02
joaopintoScottK, tks, changed applied15:02
ScottKRainCT: The source package has to be distributable.  How does that work if you don't have debian/copyright until you build it?15:03
sistpoty|workRainCT: also, if it's gpl, you'll need to have a copy of it in the source package15:05
RainCTUhm.. That package is scaring me :P. The generated copyright file lists the authors' names and then basically says "the files include are under different licenses, check them yourself"15:08
RainCTawesome, there are some GPL files, but there isn't a copy of it15:11
joaopintothe description was improved, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amoebax, now it would be nice to get an advocate15:11
RainCTjoaopinto: please indent the free art license in debian/copyright for clarity15:14
RainCTah, nvm, it would be over 80 chars then15:14
ScottKRainCT: Very bad (copyright stuff).  This package isn't in Debian is it?15:15
RainCTScottK: It is, and in Ubuntu it's in main.. manpages-de15:17
* RainCT hopes that he is missing something :P15:17
ScottKUrgh.15:17
joaopintomaybe main needs to use REVU :P15:18
ScottKRainCT: I'd suggest asking pitti about it.15:18
ScottKjoaopinto: We got that one straight from Debian in ancient times, so maybe it wasn't looked at as closely as we would now.15:19
lamotheHi guys, can someone please explain the anomaly that is the new dvb-apps?  I know that dvb-utils has been removed but I can't quite work out if the new package is called linuxtv-dvb-apps or just dvb-apps?15:37
lamothehttp://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dvb-apps returns something.15:37
lamotheAnd I get this also, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linuxtv-dvb-apps15:39
lagai still have dvb-apps in hardy15:40
lagaerr, dvb-utils15:40
lamothelaga: Yes, dvb-utils (Hardy, Etch) -> dvb-apps (Intrepid, Lenny)15:41
lamotheI think.15:41
lagawell, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linuxtv-dvb-apps claims that it's also in hardy?15:43
lamothelaga: Yeah, strange, but it's not, if you know what I mean.15:44
lagalamothe: linuxtv-dvb-apps is the source15:45
lagaand it produces dvb-utils on hardy15:45
lamothelaga: Ahhhhhh .... got it.  Thanks for that.15:47
slytheringeser: ping15:54
nxvlScottK: done with the merges16:18
nxvlScottK: courier-authlib is needed for courier to build16:19
nxvlScottK: debdiff uploaded16:23
geserslytherin: pong16:29
slytheringeser: i am about to finish working on next upload for jboss. Want an advice. Which runtime dependency do you think is correct, default-jre or default-jre-headless?16:31
geserslytherin: good question16:32
geserunless you have checked that it doesn't use any UI classes, I'd stay on the safe side and depend on default-jre16:33
slytheringeser: there are some references to swing classes. But I guess those are mainly in the admin console part. For now I will make it depend on default-jre.16:34
Koonslytherin: afaict for jboss it should be safe to run with -headless.16:46
Koonslytherin: in the server team we are trying to have a viable jre-headless environment -- but it's still work in progress, as lots of libraries depend on java2-runtime where they should depend on java2-runtime-headless16:48
slytherinKoon: right16:48
Koonthe idea being not to pull half of X to run Java server things16:48
Koonslytherin: you'll probably find that the full java2-runtime gets puleed in by one of JBoss deps anyway ;)16:49
slytherinKoon: I am planning to file some catch all bugs to remove duplication in java libraries ex. libservlet2.3 vs 2.4, different versions of xalan, but I will get to that part later.16:50
Koonslytherin: be careful with libservlet2.3/2.4/2.5 : they probably must coexist because they reflect different Servlet APIs16:51
SolarWarheyo,  can someone advocate/comment on my superawesome package of Qlix- a program that allows one to easily transfer music to MTP devices (like the zune) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix16:52
slytherinKoon: I think most of the packages can be build safely with servlet 2.4. Of course I have to evaluate that.16:53
Koonslytherin: note that libservlet2.5 is a binary of the tomcat6 source package16:54
slytherinKoon: I know.16:55
Koonslytherin: heh :)16:55
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jcastroScottK: in the "good communication with upstream" thread on debian devel someone mentiones that you're adding emdebian-tools to a blacklist of packages that don't sync to ubuntu. Do you have a url to that list? Thanks.17:15
geserjcastro: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt17:16
jcastrogeser: thank you!17:16
* sistpoty|work heads home now... cya17:45
kirklandwhen does merges.ubuntu.com get updated?17:51
kirklandanyway to force that update for a single package?17:51
kirklandor can I manually do the work for a single package by hand to prep a merge?17:52
Laneybut of course17:52
LaneyGet Debian version, get Ubuntu version, do merge17:52
LaneyI do most of mine that way17:52
jpdskirkland: As for updates, I'd ask Keybuk in -devel.17:53
kirklandjpds: thx17:54
jpdskirkland: De nada.17:54
kirklandLaney: is there a wiki page describe the manual merge instructions in more detail?17:55
BUGabundoRiddell: kdelibs are available now, and installed17:56
BUGabundobut kmail still won't start...17:56
BUGabundoASSERT: "s->parsed == false" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 524 \n Aborted17:56
Laneykirkland: Sure, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging17:56
LaneyOh, that's about grab-merge17:56
kirklandLaney: right, i've only ever used grab-merge17:57
LaneyEr, well basically you just check each of the Ubuntu changes and whether they're still needed17:57
Laneyand copy them if they are17:57
kirklandk17:57
LaneyIf it's the same upstream version then I tend to use meld to view the changes17:57
RiddellBUGabundo: hmm, works for me18:01
BUGabundobah18:02
BUGabundodon't know what to do then, Riddell18:02
BUGabundoI depend a lot on email18:02
BUGabundolol18:02
jpdsBUGabundo: Pastebin: strace -e open -f kmail ?18:04
BUGabundojpds: Riddell http://paste.ubuntu.com/34113/18:06
jpdsOh, same thing..18:06
BUGabundoyou too ?18:07
BUGabundoso its not just me..18:07
BUGabundogreat18:07
jpdsNo, same error.18:07
* jpds uses mutt for mail ;-)18:07
BUGabundoLOL18:07
BUGabundoI use it too18:07
BUGabundobest email client EVER18:07
BUGabundojpds  Riddell18:08
BUGabundojpds  Riddell see this please http://paste.ubuntu.com/34115/18:08
BUGabundoit now doesn't even show kdelibs missing from install18:08
BUGabundobut kmail won't start ...18:09
RiddellBUGabundo: mm, I think that should be sorted out first18:11
BUGabundoI know18:11
BUGabundoI don't even us samba that much....18:12
BUGabundobut why is it interfiring with kde ?!?18:12
BUGabundoactually it seems to be related to DBUS18:13
BUGabundothan anything else18:13
kirklandso I moved on from MoM to DaD ... but the grab-merge doesn't look right...  the *patch files are empty18:21
kirklandhttp://dad.dunnewind.net/ecryptfs-utils/18:21
Lutinkirkland: it's explicitely marked as broken on DaD18:24
Adri2000kirkland: DaD relies on snapshot.d.n, and in some cases like this one, the base version is not available there18:25
Adri2000that's why the merge is broken18:25
kirklandAdri2000: do i just need to wait around until it becomes available?18:27
Adri2000if at some point it becomes available on snapshot.d.n, we can reprocess the package in DaD if someone asks us to do it18:29
kirklandAdri2000: specifically what files are missing?18:29
kirklandAdri2000: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ecryptfs-utils.html18:30
Adri2000see http://dad.dunnewind.net/ecryptfs-utils/REPORT, DaD needs the base version, the debian version and the ubuntu version. debian and ubuntu versions are easy to fetch (they are the latest version in the archive)18:31
Adri2000for the base version we use snapshot.debian.net18:31
Adri2000for this package, DaD reads http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/e/ecryptfs-utils/source/Sources.gz18:31
Adri2000see that version 50-418:31
Adri2000(base version) is not listed there18:31
LaneyRainCT: New revisions for u-d-t pushed up to LP18:36
Adri2000kirkland: for such merges I'd suggest that you use MoM directly (which doesn't have this kind of problem as it doesn't rely on snapshot.d.n), and use DaD if you want to leave a comment about that merge18:36
kirklandAdri2000: :-P  I usually use MoM, but the disk is full over there, and so the hourly script is broken, and it doesn't even know that ecryptfs-utils is out of date18:37
kirklandi'm attempting a merge by hand18:37
Adri2000ahahaha :P ok :)18:39
kirklandrock + hard place :-)18:39
Adri2000so either use snapshot.d.n and have some merges broken or keep the entire archives + debian history and have your disk full :)18:40
geserDktrKranz: have you some time to put your motu-sru hat on and comment on bug 224077?18:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 224077 in gnumed-client "Outdated (buggy) GNUmed version (0.2.8.2) in Hardy " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22407718:41
DktrKranzgeser, sounds reasonably sane, but I'll have a more in-depth look after dinner :)18:44
emgentheya18:48
RainCTLaney: what does --bindmounts do?19:16
RainCTLaney: ah I see19:17
RainCTLaney: good work. I'm away now but will merge it soon19:20
saivannIf a member of the backports team wants to take care of this bug, gnucash 2.2.6 is ready to backport to Hardy in bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/24343619:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 243436 in hardy-backports "Please backport Gnucash 2.2.6-1ubuntu1 from Intrepid to Hardy" [Undecided,New]19:29
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stefanlsdwarp10: you around?19:39
stefanlsdnorsetto: ...19:40
norsettohi stefanlsd19:40
stefanlsdnorsetto: hey :)   I was told to ask you about a mentor application i sent in. It went to motu-mentoring-reception@responses.net...19:41
norsettostefanlsd: yes, we are trying to match you, but most mentors are right now on holidays19:42
stefanlsdnorsetto: aah ok.  just wondering if it went in. ok. thanks cool. wasnt sure you guys received it.19:42
norsettostefanlsd: np, thanks for checking19:43
stefanlsdoki. thanks :)19:44
SolarWarpbuilder is giving me this issue when building my package: http://rafb.net/p/QQw29X59.html  it then proceeds to error out, complaining how it couldn't meet the dependencies20:02
james_wSolarWar: I believe you need to enable universe in your pbuilder chroot20:04
SolarWarjames_w, i'm not sure how to enable repositories inside the pbuilder chroot20:08
geserjames_w: it's a workaround, because libmtp8 is in universe while the -dev package is in main20:08
james_wah, ok20:08
slytherinwhy is -dev package in main when the library is inuniverse?20:12
geserslytherin: I guess it's an oversight as the source is in main20:12
geserand the previous version of the lib (libmtp7) was also in main20:13
geserSolarWar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e61fa0f52f7f2442fb20f074813bd691744460b20:13
geserSolarWar: the issue should be fixed soon20:17
* NCommander yawns20:17
SolarWaris libmtp going to be moved to main? or is -dev going to be moved to universe?20:17
geserlibmtp8 is going into main20:18
slytherin[OT] What is recommended size of hackergotchi for planet Ubuntu?20:18
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daskReechHiya20:24
daskReech Does anyone know if gfs is supported under hardy?20:24
slytherindaskReech: what is gfs?20:24
daskReechGlobal File system20:25
daskReechit's a file system for multipe nodes to access over a network or channel with locking capabiltes and as I understand it data verification and protection20:26
slytherindaskReech: What do you mean by 'if gfs is supported'. What kind of support are you expecting?20:26
daskReechWell I did a search for Ubuntu and gfs and the only hits I find are people asking if GFS is supported or the gfs[2]-tools20:27
daskReechwhich are packaged20:27
daskReechbut if I install these on a server with LTS hardy can I get support from Canonical ?20:28
slytherindaskReech: AFAIK, canonical doesn't provide free support. At the same time I am not sure of the packages covered by Canonical20:29
daskReechnot free support20:29
LaneyCanonical support packages in main20:29
daskReechhrrr20:30
daskReechDoesn't seem to be community or offically supported20:30
daskReechok I'll find another distro then20:30
Nafallothe security updates are free, and are Canonical for main.20:30
jpdsdaskReech: You can buy support at shop.canonical.com20:31
daskReechjpds, Yes but it doesn't seem they are supported in any case20:31
NafallodaskReech: how would you define support?20:32
daskReechNafallo, Well the tools are marked as experimental in p.u.c20:32
Nafallonot sure I follow.20:33
daskReechand depend on a redhat package20:33
Nafallowhat tools?20:33
daskReechGFS20:33
RainCTLaney: Btw, I merged your changes a while ago (with some changes).20:33
LaneyRainCT: Awesome, thanks a lot! What did you change?20:33
daskReechWell redhat Virtual package20:33
NafallodaskReech: gfs2 yes, gfs no.20:34
daskReechThe gfs-tools depend on gfs220:34
Nafallooh. just saw...20:34
RainCTLaney: uhmm little stuff, "bzr merge lp:ubutnu-dev-tools; bzr diff" if you want to know20:34
daskReechDoesn't seem likely to be supported20:34
daskReech the only things I can find dealing with Ubuntu and gfs2 are bug reports20:34
daskReechdoesn't seem like a wise move20:35
geserdaskReech: do you know if gfs upstream considers it safe for production use?20:35
daskReechgfs2 no20:35
daskReechShould be ready for 9.0420:35
NafallodaskReech: might want to ask on #ubuntu-server. they are more likely to be able to respond to your particular enquiry.20:35
daskReechNafallo, Wonderful! Thanks a lot20:35
fabrice_spHi. Some time ago, I uploaded a package in REVU (DVDStyler), to close a needs-packaging request (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/105653), but I didn't get any comment. What should I do?20:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 105653 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] dvdstyler .deb" [Wishlist,In progress]20:44
fabrice_spthis one, yes20:46
lucascould someone point me to an "how to request a sync?" howto? a request a sync of ruby1.9 for me?21:15
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geserlucas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess21:25
lucasgeser: thanks a lot :)21:28
LaneyCan someone help me with this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/34165/ - packaging a library with CDBS and it seems to insist on symblinking doc in the -dev to doc in the library, but lintian doesn't like it21:44
Laneysymlinking*21:44
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geserLaney: I guess you can ignore it. It a Ubuntu-specific extension to cdbs to save space.21:46
Laneygeser: Ah, excellent. I tried a lot of stuff to stop it happening but without any success21:47
LaneyWell in that case I'd like to solicit reviews for my goocanvasmm package on REVU - C++ wrappers for goocanvas (cairo canvas widget). .diff.gz is only small ;) - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=goocanvasmm21:53
emgenthello22:09
joaopintoHello22:15
joaopintoCan someone review and advocate http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amoebax ? Thanks22:15
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ScottKgeser: Thanks for helping jcastro out while I was gone.22:26
james_wIs there an ubuntu python channel?22:31
james_wthe obvious one doesn't seem to exist?22:31
ScottKjames_w: No.  We pretty well do Python stuff here.22:31
jpds#ubuntu-python: Last used  : Apr 22 23:46:54 2006 (2 years, 14 weeks, 6 days, 21:44:49 ago)22:31
james_wScottK: cool, I'll ask here then, thanks.22:32
directhexpfft, python. i hear all the cool distros use haskell22:32
ScottKThe working ones us Python.   I'll take that.22:32
james_wI have a python library that uses setuptools, is there a way to make that behave, or is it unwilling to conform?22:32
ScottKpatch it into submission is the short answer.22:33
ScottKI haven't had to do it.22:33
ScottKMaybe POX_ is around and can give hints.22:33
james_wyou mean rip out setuptools and put in distutils?22:33
POX_what's wrong with setuptools?22:34
ScottKPOX_: Isn't that the one that grabs randomon python bits off the net or am I confused?22:34
POX_just remove ez_stup related stuff from setup.py and all should work fine22:34
ScottKjames_w: ^^ Yeah.  That was it.22:34
james_wexcept that this setup.py uses some of the extra features22:35
POX_setuptools without ez_* is fine22:35
james_wthat's fine, and I've patches it out22:36
james_wah, I see, I'll give that a go22:36
james_wthanks POX_ ScottK22:37
ScottKjames_w: If you are interested in python stuff there is also #debian-python on OFTC.22:38
james_wthis one was complicated by the upstream containing a rather prominent member of the python community22:38
james_wScottK: yeah, that would be my next port of call, thanks22:38
ScottKThere you can speak to POX_ directly rather than have me summon his spirit first.22:38
ScottK;-)22:38
POX_yeah ;)22:39
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slangasekvorian: ping23:09
vorianslangasek: yessir23:09
slangasekvorian: hi, looks like you sponsored the upload of monkeystudio to NEW?23:09
vorianyes23:10
slangasekvorian: and it looks like monkeystudio is embedding copies of Qt Designer and qscintilla, which are already in the archive... is there a good reason for them to be embedded?23:10
vorianhmmm23:10
vorianlet me take a look see23:11
slangasekok23:11
lifelessslangasek: software reuse is to be applauded23:15
slangaseklifeless: money can be exchanged for goods and services?23:15
lifelessslangasek: Quo Vadis?23:15
slangasekRock me, Amadeus23:16
vorianslangasek: if you want to reject monkeystudio now, we can go back to upstream and have them remove them and reintroduce it to new before freeze (hopefully)23:18
syntuxI'm having a problem with pbuilder http://paste.ubuntu.com/34204/ not sure what's causing it or how to solve it23:20
copproyou need to add Build-Depends to your package23:20
copprowait... nvm... what?23:20
ScottKsyntux: You're trying to build a package that needs debhelper 7.23:21
ScottKYou appear to only have 6.23:21
slangasekvorian: well, given that the orig.tgz is built out of svn with a get-orig-tar target I'm not sure a round-trip to upstream is needed, but ok, I'll reject it for now pending cleanup of the code duplication, thanks :)23:21
ScottKsyntux: Is this an intrepid pbuilder?23:22
vorianslangasek: thank you :)23:22
syntuxyes, it's an intrepid23:22
ScottKTry pbuilder login, copy the package into the open pbuilder chroot and build it that way.23:22
syntuxHow can I copy the package into the open pbuilder?23:24
directhexor perhaps a pbuilder --update ? when did dh7 land in intrepid?23:24
tbielawainstead of copying you can use --bindmounts /path/to/package23:25
ScottKtbielawa: You can, but mess that up and you can have effects outside the chroot.23:26
ScottKsyntux: When you login, it'll tell you the patch to the chroot.  Then use sudo cp ...  to copy it.23:27
syntuxOk, I have Version: 7.0.13ubuntu1 of debhelper in pbuilder intrepid env23:29
syntuxbut still getting same error23:29
directhexwho has the ability to delete some stray files from my ppa archive, and wants to earn some points towards a free cake?23:30
ScottKOdd.  Not sure.23:30
ScottKdirecthex: PPA stuff in #launchpad.23:31
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directhex#launchpad is having a well-deserved nap23:32

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